The Middle East

Tee bee aytch, they're about average for non-European places.

People treat places that don't have first world standards of living as an exception, rather than the rule.

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>>2719804

By the UK and US cooperating with Saudi Arabia. They should have just taken that oil.

>>2719804
Around the collapse of the Ottoman empire when oil was discovered in the region.

Sure in the future it provided vast funds for them but if anything it meant that that they were getting richer but were skipping over cultural development that comes with creation of wealth.

When al- Wahhab made a pact with Saud

It didn't all go wrong. There's several placed in the Middle East that actually enjoy a relatively high standard of living like Saudi Arabia or Iran.

>>2719804
Sack of Bagdad, Ottoman stagnation and finally the wave of Salafists killed any sense of cultural, intellectual and social development for the region.

>>2719818

europe was the same constantly on war shithole until after ww2, and the same undeveloped shithole until the colonial age

>>2719852

Yes, provided you have shitloads of oil and absolutely no problems with a complete lack of human rights

>>2719852
Really? MSM memes more or less have made me think Iran in particular is a total shit hole.

IF YOU FUCKERS HAD JUST LISTENED TO LAWRENCE INSTEAD OF ASSASSINATING HIM NONE OF THIS WOULD'VE HAPPENED

>>2719917
Elaborate

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>>2719869
it really isn't
Shiism in general is a lot laxer about dress codes, and Iran has had a vibrant culture for centuries. Check out Persian language films, they win awards pretty often

>>2719987
>Le iran is secular meme
Step out of downtown Tehran or cosmopolitan areas of large cities. The theocracy wasn't built on no public support.

>>2719804
unironically when muslims took over it

>>2720010
I didn't say they're secular, but it's not like Saudi Arabia

>>2719987

Do actual sane people believe that

>>2720010
This even if the Ayatollah didn't hijack the revolution the socialists were going to make him a Shia "pope" and turn the city of Rayy into a Vatican for him.

>>2719852
Saudi Arabia is strange, because it has a stable government, a lot of obscenely rich people and even some middle class, but also a large number of really poor people. Not to mention the lack of rights for a lot of groups. It's too bad the Saudis are Wahhabi wackos, feels like that's what's really holding the country back from being better.

>>2720185

Only thing that's holding the country together. The Al-Saud family came up with it in the 1700's while ruling over their first country

>>2720185
And they boast about how many female grad students they have...while said female students require a chaperon and have to be veiled in public.

>>2720012
>I know nothing about byzantine-sassanian-umayyad empires the post

>>2720737
>people will still defend saudi after knowing this

All fedora/pol/int memes aside, when the climate began to change, when the population was decimated by plague and deurbanization, and gradual soil degradation from thousands of years of intensive farming.

The Middle East was in decline since the Roman era, and it's only been making the best of things for a century or so before it collapses again for another century.

In the end there's only so much you can do when it rains less and less every few years, when the forests and flood plains turn to sand, and your population density just keeps plummeting.

>>2720010
Its the same in Shiraz.
And Mashhad.
And most other places that aren't super fucking rural, dude.

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>President Johnson: Now, our judgment is we oughtn’t to do it. Our judgment is we oughtn’t to let this little king [King Hussein] go down the river. He’s got a million-and-a-half people, and he only controls a third of them—two- thirds [are] against him. But he is the only voice that will stand up there. And if you want to turn him over and have a complete Soviet bloc, why, we’ll just have to—and we’ll get out of the arms business. We just . . .And we think . . . We’ll have to get out of supplying Jordan with money. And we think when we do that, it will cause pressure to really be—when that story comes out—it will be on the whole $100 million that goes to Jordan, and to Israel, too. But we’ll fight that when we come to it. We’ll deprive Jordan of their aid. We’ll tell them, “No more aid, no more munitions. No more nothing. We’re not going to get into manufacturing munitions,” and so on and so forth. If that’s what they [the Israelis] think. We think it would be better to give them [Jordan] as little as possible, and control it. And all of our defense people think it would be.But I’m not prepared to take on the New York Times and Mike Feldman and everybody else.
>[Feinberg chuckles.]
>President Johnson: I’m going to let them make the decision. And if they—but it’s got to be in or out. If we go in, [then] of course, we’ve got to be of some help to Israel. If we get out, then we just got to say, “Well, we’re not taking part. We’re not going to supply arms to one side or the other. We’re just not going to be in here to sell a lot of munitions. The only reason I’m helping Jordan is on account of Israel. Now, if Israel doesn’t—if Israel considers them their enemy, and not of help, then we just wasted 600 million [dollars, in military aid to Jordan].
Recorded conversation between President Johnson and Democratic National Committee Chair (and ardent Zionist) Abe Feinberg regarding the sale of arms to the Jordanians

>>2719804
How bad is crime in the M.E non ALLAHU AKBAR related crime?

Dont give me rape statistics since rape isnt even a crime in the M.E, give them robberies, home invasions, larcony, and murder.

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>>2721484
Abe Feinberg was a major Democratic fundraiser, Feinberg made his money as chairman of a New York-based apparel manufacturer, Kayser-Roth Corporation, and then as chairman of American Bank and Trust Company; he made his political mark as president of Americans for Haganah. Feinberg’s extensive contacts in Israel positioned him as a confidante of Chaim Weizmann; he chaired both the Development Corporation for Israel and the Weizmann Institute of Science. Johnson rarely overruled his senior advisors directly, at least if a less confrontational option existed. In 1965, the President used the presence of Eddie Weisl and Abe Feinberg to help prevent Bundy, Rusk, and Ball from reconsidering the decision to supply Israel with tanks. In 1967, the President turned to Arthur Goldberg to implement his “desire to do everything we can to help the Israelis.” Rather than rejecting outright McNamara’s proposal, Johnson provided the Defense Secretary’s recommendations to Goldberg—fully expecting the UN ambassador to oppose them. Goldberg fulfilled his role, terming McNamara’s position “unnecessarily harsh on Israel,” and urging a compromise of the United States selling 100 APC’s to Israel. At a May 23 lunch meeting with Rusk, McNamara, Rostow, and DCI Richard Helms, the President indicated that he had accepted Goldberg’s idea. The United States also provided Israel with sales and credit grants of Hawk and tank spare parts. Feinberg, Goldberg, and Weisl had a firm grasp on Johnson's Middle East policy, continuously steering toward Israeli interests.

>>2719845

No the Ottomans beat them back pretty easily several times.

The Middle East ended in 1924 with the death of the last Ottoman Caliph.

>>2719853
This is accurate desu

>>2719804
It's always been wrong. The current wars are nothing new.

>>2719804
when the english promised them all one thing...the french another...then they both double crossed everybody then dumped the mess on everyone else when they realized it was hitting the fan.

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>>2719853
YOU COULD HAVE LISTENED
I WAS RIGHT
I WAS ALWAYS RIGHT

>>2719804
13th century
Genghis Khan Sacks Baghdad

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>>2719804
c. 570 AD – 632 AD

>>2719804
Collapse of the Ottoman Empire + Brits/French setting up borders.

>>2719852

That is a shit example. Once the oil runs out, they're going to be living like the bedouin in Yemen, which is essentially what they were 100 years ago. They're hillbillies at heart. They just won a lottery and got rich for a brief period of time. They're squandering their resources and will return to their rags soon enough. They are not civilisations.

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>>2720010
This. Leftists and /pol/tards have deluded themselves into thinking Iran is some secular paradise and the EVIL zionists are out to besmirch them!

Poverty, women in full hijabs like it's taliban afghanistan, and shariah patrols are what you find outside of the wealthy areas of Tehran

>>2722028
>run out
They have shitloads of oil, more than Iran even. It will take centuries for that to happen and by then they're secured enough through their investment in infastructure and economy (which isn't based entirely on oil either).

>>2722039
>centuries

They've got decades.

https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN0ZL1X6

And even if they did have centuries, that means nothing because you're running on the assumption that oil will remain the world's major source of energy hundreds of years from now. Making ANY kind of prediction that far into the future is laughable, of course. Oil prices are falling and it's relevance is already on the wane. I've worked for two years in Riyadh and 12 years across the middle east and I can tell you that Saudi Arabia and the Arab cultures more generally will not be able to sufficiently diversify their economies in the next two generations such that they will be able to survive in a post-oil world. They are simply too lazy, feckless, disorganized and spoiled - and this is especially true of the leadership. They are in deep shit and they know it, but there is nothing they can do at this point to save themselves.

>>2719804
Sumer

it's all downhill from there

>>2719804
Long-Long term? It's the cradle of civilization and has been fought over since the dawn of man
Long Term: Islam
Not-so-long term: United Kingdom uniting arab tribes to fight against the t*rks
Short term: Saudi Arabia
Even short term: US hyper interventionism

>>2719804
Europe had planned to dismantle Ottomon empire for a long time. When they finally did collapse, Europe redrew the map to create a dysfunctional area. The british, the americans, the russians, the french, etc all empires of the time took to recreating the middle east.

>>2719827
/thread

>>2722032
It's somewhat democratic, very stable, rather safe and not a complete shithole, unlike some other places. Of course the revolution had popular support and I am not deluding myself that Iran is paradise, but at least it has 3000 years of culture behind it and less radical version of Islam.

>>2719804
UK and France randomly dividing the region. Then UK decided to support fucking WAHHABISTS in order to dismantle the Ottoman Empire.

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>>2722022
Go away, kafir.

>>2719835
>>2719827
The above two + islamic extremism.

Also Iran isn't so bad and I really don't want them get bombed too.

>>2721494
Pretty low since you in the more muslim countries you get your hand cut off for thefts.

the mongols ruin everything

including ME

>>2722055
Climate change is set to fuck over the MENA area and make it uninhabitable in the next 100 years anyway

>>2722032
Niqabs aren't a part of Shiism you tard

>>2719869
Iran is probably the best place to live in the Middle East

Muhammad fucked it up, but then things started to stabilize and then the Mongols fucked it up even worse and it never recovered.

>>2722032
>this level of ZOG shilling

>>2720016
Yes, it's actually worse

>>2722229
Name one country that follows a more radical version of Islam than Iran except for Saudi Arabia

>>2722032
Those are afghans on your pic

>>2723486
Iran is better than KSA in basically every aspect

>>2722032
In Iran woman are only required to wear a headscarf, Finklestein.

>>2723486
t. faisal ibn muhammad bin abd al-saud

>>2723491
all of the gulf states

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>fucking straight lines

>>2723491
Yemen.
Oman.
Syria.
Iraq.
Almost all of the Arab Gulf countries for that matter, Abdullah.

>>2723648
Oman is actually pretty chill

>>2723648
Also gonna add Taliban era Afghanistan and Pakistan are also batshit insane.

>>2722055
>I've worked for two years in Riyadh and 12 years across the middle east and I can tell you that Saudi Arabia and the Arab cultures more generally will not be able to sufficiently diversify their economies in the next two generations such that they will be able to survive in a post-oil world. They are simply too lazy, feckless, disorganized and spoiled - and this is especially true of the leadership.
This. Have worked there t0o. The average Saudi does nothing. Difficult work is done by Western expats, menial work by African and Asian expats.The Saudi's just collect baksheesh and pretend. They are fucked when the oil runs out.
In a hundred years Saudi will be a cautionary tale of how not to organise a country.

>>2723648
Except for Yemen none of those countries follow a more radical version of Islam than Iran.
>Oman is kinda chill
>Syria under the government where most of the population lives there's active night club and gay scene, alcohol etc
>Iraq excluding ISIS areas, more liberal than Iran, not as liberal as Syria though
>Gulf countries, excluding Saudi Arabia all have pretty open laws to sustain the number large expats and tourists.

>>2723711
The people are far more radical than the government.
In Iran it's the other way around

>>2723641
How so? None of the Gulf states except for Saudi Arabia have a religious police, unlike Iran, none of the Gulf states (including Saudi Arabia) are ruled by a clergy, unlike Iran, none of the Gulf states except for Saudi Arabia force women to wear hijabs, unlike Iran, none of the Gulf states (including Saudi Arabia) have a religious militia, unlike Iran, none of the Gulf states (including Saudi Arabia) are in confrontation with the West, unlike Iran, should I go on?

>>2723609
Name one

>>2723712
Excluding Tehran and Isfahan and the number of "seculars" drops considerably.

>>2723713
>Qatar
>UAE
just cause they use ~special legalese~ to hide their radicalism doesn't mean they aren't funding terrorist groups on a level far greater than Iran.

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>>2723712
>this meme again

>>2723714
>Have an actual economy that isn't based entirely on oil
>quality cultural output
>women don't have to wear niqabs

>>2723717
Name one terrorist group that is funded by UAE

>>2723722
Every wahhabist mosque

>>2723717
Funding radicals doesn't exactly make them radical though, the US under Obama supported Al Qaeda and ISIS-tier groups in Syria, what does say for the US?

>>2723718
Are you denying that there is far more religious violence in the Arab states than in Iran?

>>2723725
>Funding radicals doesn't exactly make them radical though
t. abdulaziz bin wahhab al-saud/schlomo finklestien

>>2723715
You still don't see Iranian nationals blowing themselves up like you do with Arab expats

>>2723724
Are you retarded? UAE follows the Ash'ari creed and the Maliki school, not the Athari creed and the Hanbali school like the Wahhabis. Plus, the vast majority of Wahhabis oppose terrorism

Islam that led to a culture that suppressed, and perhaps now more than ever, useful institutions.

>>2723729
No. But that's because Iran is more religiously homogeneous than most Arab countries, not because Iranians are less "radical" than Arabs

>>2723739
They oppose terrorism but it's undeniable that wahhabism is fertile ground for terrorism. And the UAE still sends a lot of money to the rebel groups in Syria with a notoriously loose hand

>>2723744
Iranians in other societies tend to commit terrorist attacks far less than Arabs.

>>2723731
Great refutation. Unlike the groups they support the Gulf states have alcohol for sale, nightclubs, open beaches.

I'm not advocate for the Gulf, they're very hypocritical in foreign policy.
>>2723736
What does blowing yourself up have to do with secular and Islamist ideology? Suicide bombing is a military tactic, take Syria for example there are Jihadi groups that practice suicide bombing and there are groups that don't, ideologically they're the same they just don't practice the same military strategy.
>>2723739
The UAE doesn't really involve themselves in Syria it's mostly Turkey-Qatar-Saudi Arabia

>>2723746
>And the UAE still sends a lot of money to the rebel groups in Syria with a notoriously loose hand

I think you are confusing UAE with Qatar, UAE has provided no help for any of the Syrian rebel groups and have only intervened in the Syrian Civil War against ISIS

>>2723758
>the Gulf states have alcohol for sale, nightclubs, open beaches
that's entirely for show for the Westerners that buy their oil
>What does blowing yourself up have to do with secular and Islamist ideology
well when you blow yourself up as a mujihad fighting a holy war that probably means it's religiously motivated. It's an example of the religious extremism that is much less common in Shiism

>>2723766
You're conflating their motivations for war to military strategy. Hezbollah in Lebanon and and Dawa in Iraq both are Shia organisations led by Iran and when they were both fairly new they practiced suicide bombing because they didn't have accurate weaponry in their arsenal, however today these groups have moved away from such actions yet retain their Islamist motivations.

>>2723779
I mean in western countries. I can't name the last time a Shi'ite blew himself up in the West

>>2723786
Western countries aren't bombing Shi'ites, when they were Hezbollah in the 80s they blew themselves up a couple of times. Same with Al Qaeda, we don't really bomb them in Syria and Yemen anymore so they don't attack the West.

>>2723803
The sunnis still commit terrorist attacks at an incredibly higher rate.

>>2723814
Have you ever thought that Sunnis commit more terrorist attacks than Shias because there are more Sunnis than Shias?

>>2723721
Also,
>Not funding ISIS and actually doing something of a net positive by trying to keep Syria stable by keeping Assad in power

>>2723841
That would be valid if they commuted attacks at the same rate, but it's obvious that that's untrue

>>2723844
>he unironically thinks that Saudi Arabia funds ISIS

Consider suicide

>>2723846
Proofs?

>>2723847
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

Or if you lean to the left:
http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/leaked-hillary-clinton-emails-show-u-s-allies-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-supported-isis/

How about you kill yourself, Mohammed ibn-Goatfukr al-Saud

>>2719804
It's in civilizational retirement. It wants the younguns to take over

>>2723856
Why would Sauid Arabia support an organization that wants to destroy Saudi Arabia and kill every single member of its government? You do know that ISIS said that its number one goal in the Micdle East is the destruction of Saudi Arabia, right?

>>2723868
*Middle East

>>2723868
Because isis poses zero actual threat to KSA and it gives them a chance to extend their influence

>>2719804
dismantling the Ottoman Empire

>>2723711
Qatar and UAE are Wahhabist

>>2723874
>ISIS poses zero actual threat to KSA

What? The number one threat to the House of Saud are ISIS and Al-Qaeda supporters within Saudi Arabia that consider the king of KSA to be an apostate that should be killed, which is why KSA has been cooperating against ISIS with countries that it opposes but considers a lesser theat, such as Israel and Iran

>>2723889
>UAE
>Wahhabist

They are not even nominally Wahhabist, unlike KSA and Qatar which are Wahhabist in name only. The only state in the Middle East that actually follows the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab is the Islamic State

>>2723890
>actual threat
Isis isn't gonna oberthrow the house of al saud, and there's a conspicuous lack of isis activity in KSA. And KSA's """"support"""" for the anti Isis coalition is lip service at best

>>2723902
>lack of isis activity in KSA

?

>>2723913
Isis has attacked France more than KSA

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>>2719804
Wahhabism and post imperial Western powers fucking things up.

>>2723711
>Oman
>chill
Nope.
>Syria under Assad
Just because it operates under the veneer of secularism doesn't change its radicalism approach and being a state-sponsor of terrorism as bad as Saddam's Iraq or the Saudi's Arabia.
>Iraq
>more liberal than Iran excluding ISIS controlled areas
Wrong.
>Gulf countries all have open laws to sustain expats and tourists
Tourism is a major part of UAE's economy but that doesn't change the fact it being on the periphery of wahhabist influenced Saudia Arabia and other Arab countries strongly dictates its laws with its own people and foreigners.

You have a very biased view.

This is also ignoring problem areas with the rest of the Arab world like Algeria, Libya, and so on.

>>2723868
>ISIS
>anti-Saudi
Ayyyyyyyyy

>>2719917
didn't he die in a motorcycle crash?

>>2724063
How is not, retard? Have you read a single issue of Dabiq or Rumiyah? ISIS hates Saudi Arabia more than it hates the US and Israel combined

>>2724116
*How is it not

>>2724116
They say they do.

>>2724137
Why shouldn't we believe them? They provide sound arguments for why the kufr (unbelief in Islam) of the Saudi regime is worse than the kufr of, say, the US, and why attacking apostates from Islam (such as members of the Saudi government) is more important than attacking average infidels (such as members of the US government)

>>2723408

Why didn't they recover though?

Every other civilization the Mongols conquered recovered, except for Mudslimes

>>2724156
because they don't act like it

>>2724116
How isn't it, retard? Funny how a certain Saudi Prince comes to power in 2012 as the Secretary-General of the National Council and ISIS coincidentally starts making major inroads against Assad and in Iraq?

Fuck off, al-hakim molmauma.

>>2724157
Only what would become Turks/Ottoman Empire and the Persian/Iranian Safavid Empire really were able to be formed from those areas bouncing back but the rest of the Levant basically regressed.

>>2724169
>because they don't act like it
Because that works with morons like you. The Saudis don't have attempt to have an aura of transparency in their actions.

>>2724169
Yes they do. They have attacked Saudi security forces multiple times and have added senior Saudi clerics (including the Grand Mufti of KSA) to its kill list, ordering their supporters withing KSA to kill them wherever and whenever they find them

>>2723715
>exluding tehran and isfahan

You mean the by far biggest population centres in iran? And the sitzation is pretty much the same in Hamadan and Shiraz

>>2724181
They've attacked westerners far, far more

>>2723715
>And Masshad
>And Bandar-Abbas
>And most of any major urban centers that aren't in the equivalent of the boonies in Iran

>>2723803
>Al-Qaeda doesnt attack the west

>>2724189
That's because most ISIS supporters (i. e. the people who carry out the terrorist attacks) do not hold this view, but all of ISIS leaders and ideologues do.

>>2724206
so basically, ISIS is absolutely no threat the KSA

>>2724199
It hasn't attacked the West for a very long time. The last time they did was Charlie Hebdo shooting, and even that was not an indiscriminate attack on random civilians but a shooting that targeted concrete people

>>2724199
When was the the last time they did? Pretty much 100% of attacks on the West right now are claimed by ISIS

>>2724217
>>2724219
Al-Qaeda is modern ISIS now, anon. The only reason direct attacks have been so sporadic and uncommon is because of how thoroughly the US and its coalition has massacred most of the original group and caused the remnants to go underground.

>>2724214
Except for all those attacks on ISIS military and security forces and all those death threats to senior Saudi clerics and members of Saudi government and hundreds of thousands of ISIS-supporting citizens of KSA who want to overthrow the Saudi regime. Yeah, absolutely no threat to KSA, which is why KSA is helping even Iran in the fight against ISIS

>>2724244
*attacks on Saudi military and security forces by ISIS

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>>2724244
>death threats
the rest is problems they themselves created with the Wahhabist preaching.

Also when has KSA been fighting ISIS?

>>2724228
No it isn't, up until 2014 ISIS was a branch of Al Qaeda until Baghdadi was confident enough to declare a caliphate and Al Qaeda was furious so they declared war on them. Al Qaeda are pretty powerful especially in their power base in Idlib, Syria, what makes them more of a threat is the fact that they still have international legitimacy among world wide Islamist's whereas ISIS is a pariah.

>>2724259
>until Baghdadi was confident enough to declare a caliphate
That was due to schisms being held back by Osama bin Laden till he was killed. Its the same fucking group.

>>2724247
>when KSA been fighting ISIS

KSA is a member of US-led coalition against ISIS, which is the main reason ISIS considers the king of KSA to be an apostate. Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab claimed that anyone who provides military help to infidels in a fight against Muslims automatically becomes an infidels, and ISIS, unlike KSA, actually follows his doctrine.

>the rest is problems they themselves created with the Wahhabist preaching.

Saudi-funded mosques and madrassas preach that terrorism and suicide bombings are haram. A lot of clerics have been imprisoned by Saudi regime for merely claiming that it is permissible to carry out suicide bombings.

>>2724266
>KSA is a member of US-led coalition against ISIS
but have they actually done anything?
>saudi mosques are good boys they dindu nuffin wrong

>>2724269
>saudi mosques are good boys they dindu nuffin wrong

I haven't said that. They do propagate a form of Islam that most Muslims consider extremist, but they also preach against terrorism

>>2724274
They *preach* against it, but they do still inspire it. That's simply a fact

>>2724266
ISIS hates Saudi Arabia but that means nothing as they both practice a similar ideology.

>>2719827
>The Middle East wasn't a complete irredeemable shithole long before America existed

>>2724280
Saudi Arabia isn't actually Wahhabi. It has abandoned Wahhabism in the 1930s.

>>2719804
1921

The Middle East can only succeed as a unified empire with a strong guiding ideology

>>2724294
If we're to get technical I'd describe it as neo-Wahabi, it does something differently to its own benefits like with lenient rulings for expats and tourists but in terms of shariah for it's own population it's pretty bog standard Wahabi. I think only recently they stopped the public beheadings.

>>2724294
t. Abdullah bin "were western just like you" failsal abd al-aziz al saud

>>2724304
I'm actually an ISIS recruiter

>>2719804
France and UK appointing ethnic/religious minorities as dictators on their exit to ensure the instability of the region

>>2722055
The UAE is probably the only place there that won't fall for the trap.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14703998

>>2722120
The Ottoman empire wasn't exactly a stable, well organized, or good place to live for the last centuries of it's life, either.

The west fucked up the partitioning, but even if they did the best job possible it still wouldn't have been good. Not-terrible at best.

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>>2721433
proofs? pic related is what Iranians actually look like, not your cherrypicked bs

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This thread reeks of diaspora shilling
>>2722229
You realize "Persian" culture is dead right?
Iranian culture today has nothing in common with "Persian" culture.
>less radical version of Islam
Maybe you should actually learn about the theologies of the two which are 99% the same before speaking like an illiterate retard.
>>2723648
Omani's are Abadi, basically peaceful muslims who basically stay out of the middle easts problems.
>Syria
>Iraq
>Yemen
>more radical than Iran
>>2723712
Not true at all.
>>2723715
It's only a select crowd in the North Tehran.
>>2723729
Thats because Iran is 90% shia 10% sunni, and gives equal rights to all muslims regardless of sect.
Violence in the middle east are sectarian wars fueled by western actions, and different groups of people with different goals. Iranians are mostly homogenous in that aspect.
>>2723736
Iran invented suicide bombing you dipshit. The Iranian government sent little kids as suicide bombers during the Iran/Iraq war with the promise that their martyrdom would sent them to heaven.
Also the Beirut barracks bombing is another example off the top of my head, but are more examples.
>>2723814
Salafists/Wahhabists =/= Sunni's.

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>>2725075

>this Khomeinist "Iranian" diaspora again speaking as if he knows anything about Iran besides what his Basiji uncle tells him

>>2725075
Go aeay Israeli
>IRAN IS THE RADICAL ONE THEY DON'T NEED NUKES
>hey Kennedy relax you don't need to inspect Dimona it's a peaceful facility for energy whoops you died
>hey guys, 2,000 years ago someone I am distantly related to lived in this land, and my religious texts guarantee it to be mine, I'm gonna need you to move out so I can set up apartments for my people and myself

570 AD

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>>2725206
nice counter argument retard
>>2725214
All I'm doing is stating facts as an impartial and neutral party here while keeping my own personal views out of it. That makes me an Israeli now?
Why are you so desperate to suck Iranian cock? Genuinely curious.

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>>2725264

I don't need a counter argument because you have no argument to begin with.

>The Iranian government sent little kids as suicide bombers during the Iran/Iraq war with the promise that their martyrdom would sent them to heaven.

Lel nice job repeating literal Iraqi propaganda. You're clearly showing great respect to the martyrs of the Imposed War.

>impartial and neutral party

We all know that isn't close to being true, Mr. "I hope Iran's official language becomes Arabic".

Also hilarious how a Khomeinist like you is now defending Zionists, kek.

>>2725075
If you're gonna use your personal experience as evidence, then I can cite my Persian friends saying that the Iranian government is much more radical than large swaths of the populace

>>2725264
The children in the Iran Iraq war weren't suicide bombers you retard

>>2719818
>Tee bee aytch

eff aye gee gee oh tee.

>>2719852
>High living standard
>Iran
I agree some countries have alright living standard like Israel but Iran isn't one of those countries

>>2725356
Iran has a high HDI and PPP per capita

>>2725264
Because they have issues but aren't really "the axis of evil" that the (((neo-cons))) (namely (((David Frum)))) have made them out to be. They're no worse than the Chinese or Russians, but because they oppose Israel they're America's #1 enemy right now.

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Hello diaspora defense force
>>2725275
>Lel nice job repeating literal Iraqi propaganda. You're clearly showing great respect to the martyrs of the Imposed War.
Stating known facts is now propaganda?
Okay. yeah I'm the biased one here. Not you right? :^)
>We all know that isn't close to being true, Mr. "I hope Iran's official language becomes Arabic".
It's whats going to happen in the future regardless of what I think if Iran heads on the same path it has since 1979.
>Also hilarious how a Khomeinist like you is now defending Zionists, kek.
Yeah because a Khomeinist is pro FSA and wants Assad's head to be paraded throughout Syria on a stick right? :^)
>>2725334
>my Persian friends
>Persian
>>2725336
http://www.meforum.org/5320/islam-suicide-bombings
Text is too long so here is a screenshot of the text from that link
>>2725365
>Because they have issues but aren't really "the axis of evil" that the (((neo-cons))) (namely (((David Frum)))) have made them out to be.
Yes, but sucking our dicks while criticizing other muslims isn't really being any less of a shill.

>>2723410
>Gets mad that he insulted muh precious muslim shithole

t. ahmed

>>2725375
That's not suicide bombing you literal retard
it's a ghastly tactic but they aren't bombing anyone
>Persian
???

>>2722022
Nice filename

>>2725375
>if I hate my country that means I'm cool and western
t. cuck

>>2719804
They allowed Arabs to control the region's culture

>Greeks, Persians, Iranians, Romans, Egyptians, Syrians, Akkadians control the region
>The most advanced region and cultural heart of the world
>Arabs rule it
>it goes to shit
>Persians and later Turks take over Caliphate and Islamic society
>Things are good
>Arabs take over again
>everything goes to shit.
Gee, I wonder

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>>2725383
>suicide bombing is not suicide bombing
???
>>Persian
Modern day Iranians are not Persian.
In Iran calling someone a "Persian" is seen as an insult and if you say it you will get laughed at and maybe beat up.
It's like a Lebanese/Syrian referring to themselves as Phoenician, or an Iraqi referring to themselves as Sumerian.
>>2725393
Are you referring to me or you?
If me, where did I imply I hate Iran? While corruption does exist, I overall support the government. But that doesn't mean I will let people lie about my country to push their secularist agenda.
Everything I have said seems negative to you, but that is because you are a filthy westerner. But that doesn't mean I don't support some if not all the things I have said so far about Iran.

>>2725427
The children didn't set off bombs, they just went into bomb fields.

And my friends called themselves Persian and Iranian, I just used the first word to come to mind

>>2725427
>In Iran calling someone a "Persian" is seen as an insult and if you say it you will get laughed at and maybe beat up.

Lel you've clearly never been to Iran nor have you spoken to any Iranian.

But of course, I don't expect much else from a delusional diaspora like you who can't even read Farsi in the Arabic script.

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>>2725437
>a 13-year-old boy who on October 30, 1980, allegedly crawled beneath an Iraqi tank and exploded a grenade
>not setting off a bomb
Your westernized islam/muslim hating, "Persian" friends do not represent a 98% muslim majority country.
Anyone who unironically calls themselves a "Persian" in the sense of an ethnic or racial identity isn't an Iranian.
They likely have never been to Iran either.

>>2724996
I think you might want to recheck my post. I'm saying in almost all urban cities, the average Iranian is pretty fucking secular looking.

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>>2725075
>>2725264
>>2725375
>>2725427
>>2725480

>>2725560

He's a delusional "Iranian"-American diasporafag who fell for some strange Wahhabi-Khomeinist blend of islamism.

He claims that his ridiculous opinions are commonplace in Iran despite the fact that he's likely never been there before (the fact that he claims that North Tehran is the only liberal place in Iran being proof of that).

He commonly shits up /mena/ threads on /int/ with his ridiculous larping.

>>2725576
I'm pretty certain he's that one Indian-Canadian Sikh shitposter actually from /int/.

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>>2725475
>Lel you've clearly never been to Iran nor have you spoken to any Iranian.
You just described yourself perfectly. Congratulations.
>But of course, I don't expect much else from a delusional diaspora like you who can't even read Farsi in the Arabic script.
So again, you're describing yourself?
>>2725532
Isfahan is just as urban as shiraz, mashad, etc.
>>2725576
t. shill who fled when he was 10 and never returned
You have yet to provide a shred of evidence to back up anything you have said.

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>>2725596

No, he's American, he uses the exact same name in /mena/ and posts the exact same retarded shit.

>>2725606
>You just described yourself perfectly. Congratulations.

I'm describing you, because you very clearly know nothing about Iran.

>So again, you're describing yourself?

M8 you've never once written in Farsi ever in any thread you've been in.

>shill who fled when he was 10 and never returned

That's 10 more years in Iran than you, American diaspora larper.

> You have yet to provide a shred of evidence to back up anything you have said.

Simply searching the /int/ archives provides more than enough evidence of your cringeworthy behavior.

>>2719804

The Persian-Roman wars.

If Persia wasn't so weakened after battling with the Romans, Zoroastrianism would've survived.

Also, the neo-salafists are fucking cancerous.

>>2722229
>but at least it has 3000 years of culture behind it
and the regime and most """persians""" have contributed or preserved little of it

>>2725634
>most """persians""" have contributed or preserved little of it

They've preserved more of it than the Greeks or Italians have of their ancestors, that much is for certain.

>>2725606
t. abdullah al-mohammadi rakim

>>2725653

Nah, he's a delusional "Iranian" diaspora who fell for the "muh ummah, muh islamic unity" meme.

>>2725658
How do we know he's actually Iranian?

>>2725662

I'm familiar with his nonsense, he's just a delusional diaspora who pretends like he knows anything about Iran.

>https://desuarchive.org/int/search/username/Iranian/

>>2719862
>was

>>2723897
>The only state in the Middle East that actually follows the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab is the Islamic State
WE

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>>2725623
>I'm describing you, because you very clearly know nothing about Iran.
And you do? Lmao
Even a Saudi muslim is more qualified to talk about Iran than a pro western kaffir piece of shit such as yourself who would be executed in Iran.
>M8 you've never once written in Farsi ever in any thread you've been in.
I have plenty. I don't use the arabic script because I don't have an arabic keyboard, but I don't see how this is even relevant and your go to excuse to try and discredit anything I say instead of using actual facts or evidence.
>That's 10 more years in Iran than you, American diaspora larper.
And you left for a reason. Because you're kaffir trash who hates islam, the islamic government, the islamic people and the islamic country. Yeah you represent the people of a 98% muslim majority country quite well :^)
>>2725669
Here is (you) for anyone interested
https://desuarchive.org/int/search/username/khosrow%20II/

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>>2725699
>I don't have an arabic keyboard

>>2724332
How much for a yazidi girl?

>>2725699
>And you do? Lmao

Far more than you, considering your delusional claims about what Iranians are like.

>I don't use the arabic script because I don't have an arabic keyboard

The fact that you haven't even bothered downloading the script that actual Iranians use to type in Farsi is proof that you have no ties to Iran whatsoever.

Even pro-western diaspora have a Farsi keyboard on their computers so that they can, you know, communicate with their friends and family back home.

> Because you're kaffir trash who hates islam, the islamic government, the islamic people and the islamic country.

And you're an anti-Iranian arab-worshipping cuckhold who hates the Iranian identity and wants Iran to be assimilated in some ridiculous "pan-Islamic" pseudo-Arabic identity.

>Yeah you represent the people of a 98% muslim majority country quite well

Literally nobody in Iran, even hardcore Basijis, have such delusional opinions that you do. You're closer to a Saudi muslim than to an Iranian muslim by an order of magnitude.

But of course, you would know this, if you've ever been to Iran or spoken to anyone actually from Iran, you larping American-born diaspora islamist.

>>2725576
>Wahhabi-Khomeinist blend of islamism.

Kek

>>2719804
622

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There, I fixed the ME.

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>>2725937

>t. Hevale

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>>2719804
>Where did it all go wrong?

Perfidious Albion, as usual.

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inbreeding rates in the middle east are well above 30% across the board and higher in some places. thousands of years of cousinfucking has made arabs and other muslims inferior, and it shows in their lack of any sort of progress.

pic related, it's the arab/persian slapfight itt

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>>2725720
>Far more than you, considering your delusional claims about what Iranians are like.
Yes, because a kaffir like you represents a 98% muslim majority country better than an Iranian muslim does? :^)
>The fact that you haven't even bothered downloading the script that actual Iranians use to type in Farsi is proof that you have no ties to Iran whatsoever.
>Even pro-western diaspora have a Farsi keyboard on their computers so that they can, you know, communicate with their friends and family back home.
>Help I'm retarded and don't know what a phone call is
>And you're an anti-Iranian arab-worshipping cuckhold who hates the Iranian identity and wants Iran to be assimilated in some ridiculous "pan-Islamic" pseudo-Arabic identity.
It already is :) You're confusing Iranian with "Persian" which the latter no longer exists.
>Literally nobody in Iran, even hardcore Basijis, have such delusional opinions that you do.
In Iran I would be considered "too moderate". Iranians are even more hardcore muslim than I am. But if you weren't a diaspora yourself you would know this.
>You're closer to a Saudi muslim than to an Iranian muslim by an order of magnitude.
There really is no difference between the two.
But sure go ahead and try to say that as a kaffir you represent a group of 98% muslims or speak for them better than an actual Iranian muslim does :^)
>But of course, you would know this, if you've ever been to Iran or spoken to anyone actually from Iran, you larping American-born diaspora islamist.
Ok kaffir. I'll be sure to let all my relatives know that a kaffir who left the country in shame when he was 10 knows more about Iran than they do or an Iranian muslim such as myself who spent every summer there for the first 10 years of his life, and two more times after that.
>The kaffir once again provides no links, pictures, or any sort of proofs yet again to back up his shilling.
>>2725917
By his logic Khomeini,Khamenei,Sistani,and the 12 imams were all wahhabist-khomeinist

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>>2726347
>Yes, because a kaffir like you represents a 98% muslim majority country better than an Iranian muslim does

The only reason the country is "98% muslim" is because the regime executes anyone who leaves that barbaric desert cult.

>Help I'm retarded and don't know what a phone call is

>implying an illiterate diaspora like you can even speak Farsi

>It already is :)

Only in your deluded imagination, pedo-worshipper.

>In Iran I would be considered "too moderate"

Lel even in Qom your views would be considered delusional.

>But if you weren't a diaspora yourself you would know this.

If you actually went to Iran at least once in your life perhaps you'd realize that your insane delusions about Iran are wrong.

>There really is no difference between the two.

There's no difference between you and a Saudi, don't try and speak for actual Iranians you delusional diaspora.

> you represent a group of 98% muslim

The moment the regime dies that "98%" number will drop down to 8%.

>who spent every summer there for the first 10 years of his life, and two more times after that.

I doubt you've ever been to Iran in your life, you delusional diaspora islamist. You know less about Iran or the Iranian people than the average American redneck.

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>>2726408
>The only reason the country is "98% muslim" is because the regime executes anyone who leaves that barbaric desert cult.
Yes, because the government needs to execute people to maintain the religion and culture Iran has had for 1400 years :^)
>Lel even in Qom your views would be considered delusional.
proofs?
>you'd realize that your insane delusions about Iran are wrong.
proofs?
>There's no difference between you and a Saudi, don't try and speak for actual Iranians you delusional diaspora.
Diaspora calling someone else a diaspora. Pottery.
And yes an Iranian muslim speaks for Iranian muslims much better than a kaffir who hates Islam, who loves Cyrus the Great and pre islamic Persia, and who has said he enjoys muslims killing each other.
>The moment the regime dies that "98%" number will drop down to 8%.
Oh I'm sure :^)
>I doubt you've ever been to Iran in your life, you delusional diaspora islamist. You know less about Iran or the Iranian people than the average American redneck.
Literally describing yourself pham

And once again, you make baseless claims without having anything to back it up :^)

>>2726443
>not liking Cyrus the Great
damn I could forgive everything else but this makes muslims really irredeemable

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>>2726628
Like all muslims (including Saudi's who were Pagans), our pre islamic past is an embarrassment to who we are today, is ignored, and when mentioned we attribute it to the ignorance of our ancestors.

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>>2726644
wait they think it was embarrassing that their ancient ancestors didn't follow a religion that didn't exist at the time which was created by a prophet born approximately 1000 years later, while ignoring the cultural significance of the Achaemenid empire?

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>>2726661
Islam has existed since the beginning of time. Adam was the first prophet, Mohammad was the last. Moses, Jesus, and many others were prophets of Islam as well.
Jews and Christians were muslims before humans edited the religion for their own personal gain.
>while ignoring the cultural significance of the Achaemenid empire?
All muslims ignore their pre islamic history.
Most Iranians who grew up in the Islamic Republic don't know anything about ancient persia beyond "evil zoroastrians" and that muslims liberated us from those evil majoosi (fire worshipping) oppressors.

>>2726675
but there are no Islamic texts from before the 7th century AD, and all histories of Islam start in the 7th century AD.
I'm also fairly certain that the Sassanids that came before Mohammed's ascendancy weren't muslim

Some places are okay compared to most the world, like Jordan or Iran
But desu Saudi Arabia is pure evil and I'd say they're thr #1 reason the ME is fucked right now

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>>2726689
>I'm also fairly certain that the Sassanids that came before Mohammed's ascendancy weren't muslim
I just told you that they were majoosi infidels.
>but there are no Islamic texts from before the 7th century AD
Yes because the holy texts were changed and edited so many times the original texts were lost forever.
And every prophet came with the message Allah wanted to present at the time, all leading up to the final revelations made to the final prophet. Jesus and Moses were both told of Mohammad by Allah, and knew of him as the final prophet who would eventually emerge long after their time.
>all histories of Islam start in the 7th century AD
No, Islamic history started with prophet Adam.

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>>2726698
Adding to this, even though Christians and Jews were following the correct religion at the time of their prophets, by the time prophet Mohammad came to fix everything, they had strayed off the right path and were no longer following the true religion, so they were infidels as well.
This is not to say that they are as bad as Pagans however, as Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians are still considered people of the book because they follow a monotheistic religion.

>>2726702
wait so early/ancient islam = jews?

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>>2726705
No, early/ancient jews = Islam
Jews today are no longer muslims as they have strayed off the true path.

>>2719804
Russia and the US during the cold war perpetuated most of the modern day issues we have today, It didn't help the CIA funded and assembled the Mujaheddin; helping assemble the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS. Russia coming for their oil didn't help anything, it's only perpetuated their rebellious acts against everyone. It really sucks how proxy wars blow up in the US' face then they turn around and hypocritically accuse others of being 'evil' and 'monsterous'

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>colonialism
>Sykes picot
>oil oil oil
>colonialism oil
>oil colonialism
maybe the muzzies are just insane with imperialistic intentions for countries that they share a border with and beyond along with insane sectarian divisions. how come people never take this into account?

this eternal victim bs needs to come to an end

>>2726713
So to summarise, you think that there is one path that God intended for humanity to follow- the path of islam- and that major prophets are just him guiding us back onto that path. Anyone who ignores a new prophet is deviating unacceptably and is given a new title accordingly. When the Muslims in 30 AD ignored Jesus, they became the Jews, and when the Muslims who followed Jesus ignored Mohammed they became the Christians. If you follow every new legitimate prophet you stay Muslim.

That about what you're saying.

>>2726644
yeah, this definitely gives it away. This guy is a LARPer.

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>>2726765
>and that major prophets are just him guiding us
Prophets are not god if that is what you are implying. They are simply his messengers.
>That about what you're saying.
Kind of, but Jews and Christians had already deviated off the straight path before the new prophet was revealed. Jesus came to correct the Jews who had strayed off the straight path, and Mohammad came to correct the christians who had strayed off the straight path. That is why Islam has hardly changed in 1400 years, the Qur'an remains unchanged, while other religions have changed so much that they are no longer the religions they started out as.

Anyways this is my last post gtg to sleep

>>2726785
I take it you don't celebrate Nowruz, then?

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>>2726779
>Another diaspora kaffir claiming to speak for Iranian muslims
Provide actual proof to back up your claims or fuck off.

>>2726785
>muslims that use social media
what an odd future we live in

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>>2726798
You mean one of the three Eids in Shia islam?
I'd rather have it gotten rid of to promote unity with Sunni brothers but I still celebrate Eid Nowruz, as in the day, I'm aware the we wuzzers do a whole 14 or something day cycle.
But ya I'm going to sleep now

>>2726799
Didn't you have to go to sleep? I'm going to visit the motherland in the summer, maybe I'll see you there, attempting to bulldoze Cyrus' tomb or something. Good night, crazy man.

>>2726815
I rest my case.

>>2724287
The middle east was doing okay and there was no islamic extremism until the US decided to chimp out

Wahhabism in the 80's by Westen influence

>>2726443
>bashing Koroush e Kabir and pre-Islamic Iranian heritage
>outing yourself this badly
Nice job, al-sader.

>>2719804
They found oil

>>2722229
>democratic iran
lyl, the guardian council is the one who says yay or nay on 99% of high-officials serving in government.
It's like the hongkong candidate system where everyone has to be approved by beijing first. Only worse because it also applies to their majlis (parliamentary assemblies). So both president and representatives are always puppets of the shia clergy. The only choice people get is which puppet they like best. You have to be an idiot to call that smokescreen a real democracy.

>>2727075
Which ironically, despite all that, the theocracy in Iran is still more of an actual democracy then what you have in any of the Arab countries or even Turkey.

>president and representatives
>always puppets of the clergy

Not true. You can see this with Mousavi's failed bid and also Khatami's two terms in office trying to constantly implement progressive and moderate changes.

>>2719804
The Eternal Anglo

>>2726819

If that diaspora larper tries bulldosing Cyrus's tomb the actual Iranians there would lynch him, kek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-8QwyWHGFU

>>2727089
>any Arab country
>Jordan
>Tunisia
>Lebanon
>Iraq
>Kuwait
As for Turkey Erdogan doesn't reign supreme just yet, the constitutional amendments have yet to be made and when they are Erdo has to actually win an election.

>>2727014
>no islamic extremism


islam is inherently extremist

>>2727364
Erdogan's shores up support from the clergy and the extremely conservative religious right.

>actually win an election
Right, because Turkey's corrupt government is know for fair play and transparency.

>Iraq

That's not even a country anymore.

>>2719917
Lawrence was an arabist at heart, he was quite disheartened when he learned of British interests in the region thats why he was killed

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>>2727324
>cherrypicking
Yes I'm sure that a small crowd of pro shah larpers is representative of almost 80 million people :^)
The only reason the Iranian government keeps that shit around is for tourism $$$ just like the Egyptian government still keeps the pyramids around
>>2727054
>>bashing Koroush e Kabir
I don't even know who that is
>>pre-Islamic Iranian heritage
>>ousting yourself this badly
And thank you for ousting yourself as a kaffir anti islamic shill

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>>2728165
>Yes I'm sure that a small crowd of pro shah larpers is representative of almost 80 million people

Far more representative of Iran than you, anti-Iranian islamist diaspora shill :^)

But of course, you would know that if you've actually been to Iran or spoken to any Iranian.

The islamists rule Iran through fear and terror, the same way Saddam ruled over Iraq.

The fact that your kind have to kill those who simply disagree with following your pedo-worshipping desert cult shows how insecure you "people" are about your moon god.

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>>2728215
>Far more representative of Iran than you, anti-Iranian islamist diaspora shill :^)
Yes I'm sure a group if idol worshipping kaffir represent a 98% muslim majority country more than a muslim from said country :^)
When most Iranians who were born in the Islamic Republic don't know anything about pre islamic Iran :^)
>But of course, you would know that if you've actually been to Iran or spoken to any Iranian.
I have, but you clearly have not
>The islamists rule Iran through fear and terror, the same way Saddam ruled over Iraq.
Right, right. Muslims need to rule a 98% muslim majority country through fear and terror.
Difference with Saddam was that he was a kaffir ruling a muslim majority country as well. Just like Assad is currently doing.
>The fact that your kind have to kill those who simply disagree with following your pedo-worshipping desert cult shows how insecure you "people" are about your moon god.
People like you are better off dead tbqh

Also those protests during the Arab Spring were of the outcome of the presidential election, not of the government itself.

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>>2728300
>Yes I'm sure a group if idol worshipping kaffir represent a 98% muslim majority country more than a muslim from said country

The only reason that number is 98% now is because the islamist regime kills anyone who tries to leave their barbaric desert cult.

>I have, but you clearly have not

You haven't, seeing as your knowledge of Iran is more warped than Fox News.

>Right, right. Muslims need to rule a 98% muslim majority country through fear and terror.

They do in order to keep the country 98% "muslim".

>Difference with Saddam was that he was a kaffir ruling a muslim majority country as well. Just like Assad is currently doing.

There's no difference, in both cases it's a minority ideologue ruling a country with an iron fist through fear and terror. And like Saddam, that regime will also fall.

>People like you are better off dead tbqh

Nice to know your kind are so savage that you can't even tolerate dissent.

Islam needs to be purged from the Earth, hopefully Trump deports your goatfucking ass to Iran so you can actually visit it for the first time in your miserable life, you anti-Iranian diaspora larper.

>>2728165
>anti-islamic
lol
>anti-islamic shill
lol
>kaffir
Okay, wahabi-al-islam.

>>2719827
It was the collaspe of the Ottomon Empire you twit. I love blaming the yanks too, but I mean sometimes the origin isn't always their fault.

>>2728165
>doesn't have a simple app on his phone or computer to write in Arabic/Persian
>doesn't know who Koroush is
>shills for the Mullahs
>can't speak Persian
>pretends to be Iranian diaspora
You must have a very tiny penis to be this insecure and delusional with all those terrible beliefs.

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>>2728369
>pretends to be Iranian diaspora

He is an Iranian diaspora, born and raised in America, hilariously enough, he's just delusional and fell for the islamism pill.

Despite being illiterate in Farsi and never having been to Iran in his life he pretends like he's somehow an authority on what actual Iranians are like and that his delusional beliefs are somehow present in actual Iranians.

He got laughed out of /mena/ so it seems he's come here to shitpost.

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>>2728327
>You haven't, seeing as your knowledge of Iran is more warped than Fox News.
Yes, I'm sure my knowledge is warped, not yours right? :^)
>you anti-Iranian diaspora larper.
You keep using this buzzphrase, when it describes yourself perfectly. Ironic much?
>The only reason that number is 98% now is because the islamist regime kills anyone who tries to leave their barbaric desert cult.
>They do in order to keep the country 98% "muslim".
Right, 1400 years of history just comes crumbling down in the course of the last 100 years? Top kek
Islam cannot be defeated. It is the true faith of Allah.
>There's no difference, in both cases it's a minority ideologue ruling a country with an iron fist through fear and terror. And like Saddam, that regime will also fall.
>a minority idealogue ruling a country with an iron first through fear and terror
Ok Khosrow Diasporazadeh.
>>2728369
>>doesn't have a simple app on his phone or computer to write in Arabic/Persian
Do you know what phone calls are?
>>doesn't know who Koroush is
Nope, and neither do any of my cousins.
>>shills for the Mullahs
No, I shill for Islam. I'm not particularly fond of a clergy even existing.
>>can't speak Persian
As shomah meetonam betar Farsi sobat konam kaffir.
>>2728396
>never having been to Iran in his life
I have been to Iran more recently than you. Making up lies or baseless accusations isn't going to get you anywhere.
>he's somehow an authority on what actual Iranians are like and that his delusional beliefs are somehow present in actual Iranians.
>98% muslim majority country
>doesn't have islamic beliefs
>somehow a "we wuzzer" diaspora who hates islam, who namefags like he's a pre islamic persian king, who fled when he was 10 represents muslim Iranians better than a muslim Iranian
>He got laughed out of /mena/
So you make stuff up to try and discredit others?

Also why don't you actually post evidence to back up any of your claims for once, which you have never done?

>>2728437
>still lying

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>>2728437
>Yes, I'm sure my knowledge is warped, not yours right? :^)

It is, considering you somehow believe that your delusions are shared in Iran.

>You keep using this buzzphrase, when it describes yourself perfectly. Ironic much

The only irony is you pretending like you're Iranian or that you have any knowledge on Iran.

>Right, 1400 years of history

1400 years of barbarism, more like.

>Diasporazadeh

You're the diaspora here, American-kun.

>As shomah meetonam betar Farsi sobat konam kaffir.

>As
>betar
>sobat
>that 1st-grade tier pronounciation and grammar coming from your diaspora ass

ههههههههههه مغز تو واقعا خراب هست ، فارسیت از نوزاد بدتره.

>Making up lies or baseless accusations isn't going to get you anywhere

Pot, meet kettle.

>I have been to Iran more recently than you

Going to Iran once in your childhood doesn't count, diaspora-kun.

>98% muslim majority country

Because the mullahs you worship execute anyone who thinks about leaving their desert cult.

>So you make stuff up to try and discredit others?

Funny how that describes you perfectly, my delusional diaspora friend :^)

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>>2728524
>It is, considering you somehow believe that your delusions are shared in Iran.
They are. Feel free to provide evidence stating otherwise.
>The only irony is you pretending like you're Iranian or that you have any knowledge on Iran.
So exactly what you are doing?
>You're the diaspora here, American-kun.
As are you.
>Pot, meet kettle.
I've actually posted links, screenshots, and pictures backing up my claims. What exactly have you done?
>Going to Iran once in your childhood doesn't count, diaspora-kun.
Last time I went I was in late highschool, versus you who fled when he was 10 and never returned.
>Because the mullahs you worship execute anyone who thinks about leaving their desert cult.
Same thing happens in any country with sharia law. How is this specific to Iranians?
>Funny how that describes you perfectly, my delusional diaspora friend :^)
Again I actually post things that back up my claims. What have you done?
And the irony of you repeatedly calling me a diaspora when you are one yourself shows your inner self hatred that you try and project outwards onto others. How do you cope with the fact that you are a diaspora yourself? :^)

>>2728562
Hello Basiji kun.

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>>2728562

>They are. Feel free to provide evidence stating otherwise.

Maybe you should go to Iran for once in your life, diaspora-kun, it'll open your eyes :^)

>I've actually posted links, screenshots, and pictures backing up my claims. What exactly have you done

I've provided links and screenshots as well, you just dismiss and ignore them like a typical islamist.

>Last time I went I was in late highschool

>doubt.jpg

>versus you who fled when he was 10 and never returned.

Good job making up "facts", America-kun. I've visited Iran countless summers over the past 10 years, the last time was just 2 years ago. In all my life in Iran I've yet to meet anybody with any of the delusional opinions that you have.

>Same thing happens in any country with sharia law. How is this specific to Iranians?

If Islam had popular support in those countries it wouldn't need to be enforced by law, people would remain muslim even if they weren't killed for leaving the faith.

>gain I actually post things that back up my claims

You've posted nothing but a few screenshots of the Revolution and of random women wearing chadors.

>And the irony of you repeatedly calling me a diaspora when you are one yourself shows your inner self hatred

Lel the irony. You're the one who hate Iran and the Iranian identity, to the point where you want Farsi to be replaced by Arabic, probably because you can barely even understand the language :^).

>How do you cope with the fact that you are a diaspora yourself?

I cope with it by being fluent enough in Farsi that I can communicate with friends and family back home, unlike you.

How do you cope with being illiterate in Farsi and calling yourself an Iranian at the same time :^)

>>2728687
>Maybe you should go to Iran for once in your life, diaspora-kun, it'll open your eyes :^)
>I have. And I have backed up my claims. Now why don't you post evidence doing the same? :^)
I've provided links and screenshots as well, you just dismiss and ignore them like a typical islamist.
I just scrolled through this thread. No you have not.
>Good job making up "facts", America-kun. I've visited Iran countless summers over the past 10 years, the last time was just 2 years ago. In all my life in Iran I've yet to meet anybody with any of the delusional opinions that you have.
doubts.jpg. I recall in /mena/ you saying you never want back. But just to make sure you never go back I should report a link with your username to the Basij. I'm sure they will be able to find out who you are and arrest you should you ever go back :^)
>If Islam had popular support in those countries it wouldn't need to be enforced by law, people would remain muslim even if they weren't killed for leaving the faith.
t. retard who doesn't know anything about Islam.
>You've posted nothing but a few screenshots of the Revolution and of random women wearing chadors.
I have posted links, screenshots of articles, quotes, and pictures of Islamic Iranians.
>You're the one who hate Iran and the Iranian identity
Iranian identity = Islamic Identity =/= "Persian" identity
>to the point where you want Farsi to be replaced by Arabic
I have not advocated for it once ITT. I have simply stated that it will happen in the future with the Islamic Republic in power.
But personally, yes I believe Arabic is the holy language, in which Allah communicated to prophet Mohammad in, is the language the Qur'an is written in, and that prayer is performed in. It is a language that all muslims should be fluent in.

>>2728687
>probably because you can barely even understand the language :^).
Unfortunately I understand the language fluently. But it is an inferior language that needs to be replaced. Luckily it already has so many arabic loanwords its not even funny :^)
>I cope with it by being fluent enough in Farsi that I can communicate with friends and family back home, unlike you.
>unlike you
Yes I'm sure you know all about me personally :^)
>How do you cope with being illiterate in Farsi and calling yourself an Iranian at the same time :^)
By being more literate than you :^)

>>2728749
Definitely not Iranian. Pakistani or Arab for certain now given your terrible grammar.

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>>2728778
I actually only knew how to speak Farsi until I was 6. After I learned English I would only speak Farsi with relatives over the phone or when I went to Iran.
And seeing as it is an unholy language that will soon be and is in the process of being replaced I see no reason to learn it more.

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>>2728743
>I have. And I have backed up my claims. Now why don't you post evidence doing the same

You've done nothing of the sort.

> I recall in /mena/ you saying you never want back

I never said that, you need to try harder if you're want to lie convincingly.

>But just to make sure you never go back I should report a link with your username to the Basij. I'm sure they will be able to find out who you are and arrest you should you ever go back :^)

Oh no, some islamist NEET living in the U.S. is going to report me to the cyber police. I'm sooo scared :^)

I'll throw you a bone and point out to you, my Iran-ignorant friend, that the Basij doesn't deal with internet dissent, FATA does.

>retard who doesn't know anything about Islam.

You're right, I don't and I have no interest in learning about that garbage desert cult.

>Iranian identity = Islamic Identity

Only in your delusional mind, my Iran-hating friend.

>I have simply stated that it will happen in the future with the Islamic Republic in power.

Yes, that explains why there's been such a push to do so by the government... oh wait, no.

>But it is an inferior language that needs to be replaced

Funny, the supreme leader doesn't seem to think so: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/412241843359715328

>By being more literate than you

Going by your terrible spelling and grammer in >>2728437 you're barely more literate than a newborn.

Anyways, I think I've wasted quite enough time arguing with you, all you do is repeat yourself and make nonsensical claims without any proof. Enjoy wallowing in your own delusions, bachebaz-parast.

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>>2728842
>You've done nothing of the sort.
Scroll through the thread
>I never said that, you need to try harder if you're want to lie convincingly.
Of course I'm not going to scroll through all your posts to find it, but very ironic someone such as yourself who does nothing but lie would call someone else a liar :^)
>that the Basij doesn't deal with internet dissent, FATA does.
I have relatives in the Basij retard. I would report it to them and they would take care of the rest.
>some islamist NEET living in the U.S
>someone who does nothing but post lewd anime girls calling someone else a neet
lol
>Yes, that explains why there's been such a push to do so by the government... oh wait, no.
There has been. Arabic is mandatory in Iranian schools for a reason.
Funny, the supreme leader doesn't seem to think so: >https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/412241843359715328
>what is lip service to calm down the kuffar
Also he is just citing its historical context. What does that have to do with whether he who has arab blood himself, who speaks fluent arabic himself, thinks an unislamic language should be the language of an islamic country?
>Going by your terrible spelling and grammer in >>2728437 (You) you're barely more literate than a newborn.
>terrible spelling and grammar
>in the english script
>all you do is repeat yourself and make nonsensical claims without any proof
>says the guy who does nothing but this
Do you just take what you yourself do and accuse people you don't like of doing them instead?
That's literally all you do. Project onto others what you yourself do. Quite pathetic tbqh

>>2728828
>lying still
Give it up.

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>>2728990
So you believe anyone you disagree with is a liar?
Is that any different than a /pol/tard calling anyone they disagree with in an attempt to discredit them a shill?
Do you have any evidence at all to back up your claim that I am lying?

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>>2728998
Why are you still lying, Hakim?

>Evidence?

The fact you were called out by two other anons here >>2728524
>>2728483 on your "Persian"?

>>2719804
It went wrong when they started to follow Mudhammed the pedophile

>>2719804

>Where did it all go wrong?

Getting rid of the Sick Man of Europe.

A liberal Ottoman puppet sultan tasked with keeping radical Islam in check would be far preferable to the absolute clusterfuck that is the modern Middle East.

>>2729000
Do you actually know how to speak "Persian"?
If not, you should know that those two are we wuzzer islam shills (one fled to canada when he was 10) who do not represent a 98% muslim majority country, and who will make baseless claims to attack me for going against their narrative even when their accusations are not true at all.
Who's to say they are not lying? (they are).
So why don't you actually find links of what people in Iran say or think (which I have done to back up what I say) instead of listening to 2 pro shah diasporas who haven't posted anything to back up their claims?

>>2729014
anti islamic* shills

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>>2729014
>>2729015
But you clearly don't so what gives you any credibility to call out others when you were called out right in the thread?

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>>2729018
1) I have
2) What I say has already been established by the Islamic government officials.
Burden of proof is on the ones disputing it. I am defending it.

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>>2729018
All you have to do is scroll through the thread to see I have provided evidence to back up my claims. Everything the leaf has posted he has had nothing to back it up with.
And seeing as he would be executed in Iran if they see the things he says on the internet, I believe an Iranian muslim represents Iranian muslims more than a kaffir does.
But of course while I provide evidence for most of claims (I admit not all of them), he does provide anything for any of his claims.
If he was anywhere near representative of people who actually live in Iran, a 98% muslim majority country, the current government would not exist.

>>2729033
>>2729057
>still lying
No one's buying it. But could you put on a tripcode at least?

>>2729086
>nothing to back up his claim
ok

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>>2729086
Also, what am I exactly lying about? You keep saying lying lying, without even specifying what you are accusing me for lying about

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>>2729092
>>2729104
>nothing to back up my claim
>can't even scroll up
Okay, Ali-Reza.

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>>2729110
>still doesn't post anything even remotely backing up his accusation of me lying about anything I've said
>still doesn't even specify one instance in where he believes I lied

>>2729123
Who are you quoting, al-sauder?