Was Pyrrhus of Epirus even that good of a tactician?

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>>2715893
Tactician, almost undoubtedly.

Strategist? Not during the Italian campaign.

>>2715904
None of his victories in Italy had the massive amounts of casualties like Hannibal's victories did

>>2715928
Casualties don't always win wars. Look at World War 2 if you want an extreme example of that.

This is true when fighting Romans especially. They had a insane pool of manpower to draw from, and were almost totally unphased by losses.

Either way you slice it, they both lost.

>>2715893
Pyrrhos "Any Fight is a Good Fight" Aiakides.
Pyrrhos "Show me the Enemy" Aiakides.
Pyrrhos "Have I mentioned I am Alexander's cousin? Of course I already did!" Aiakides.
Pyrrhos "Rooftile'd" Aiakides.

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>>2715893
>MUH ELEPHANTS

>>2718232
Delet this

>>2715893
Nice hat

Tactician? He was a very good one, albeit one prone to make his mistakes like his campaign against Sparta.

Strategist? A terrible one.

Conclusion: Overrated

>>2718461
If anything he's underrated. All most people know about is "muh pyrrhic victory" which does his actual tactical acumen a great disservice.

>>2718461
I don't think you can say that since most people barely know who he is. At most he is remembered for the "Phyrric Victory" and even then most people know just that he won a battle at great cost to his army.

His story, filled with intrigue, familial alliances, double crosses, plus his far ranging military exploits really deserve more exposure.

>>2715893
He was the best Diadochi general. You won't find another who was able to win battles against Rome. But was he better than Hannibal? Nope.

>>2718217
But the guys with the most casualties in WW2 won the war.

>>2718461
>>2718472
>he was a good tactician

What the fuck does that even mean here?
The way greeks fought, there is zero tactics involved, other than shouting at the cavalry to engage the enemy cavalry.

>>2718483
The pyrrhic war is not just remembered because of the neologism he's coined after, but also because it was a turning point in roman history. It's as a direct result of the pyrrhic war that Rome gained its first province Sicilia, and thus finally launching Rome onto the "international scene".

Also the reason why that war itself started is fucking kekworthy. Mamertines were fucking niggers.

>>2718472
Where I am from, people know him because of all the Albanians claiming he is the father of their nation, along with Bill Clinton.

Pyrrhus was extremely highly regarded as tactician and wrote books on it that have since been lost. As said by others he was a terrible strategist. Making both Rome AND Carthage your enemies while not having fully subdued Macedon? That roof tile was a mercy blow.

So was the meeting between Hannibal and Scipio in which Hannibal rates Pyrrhus higher thna himself real? Did it actually happen?

>>2718556
It's literally ancient roman fanfiction. Livy was larping HARD.

>>2718503
The mamertines started the first Punic war, although the start of Pyrrhic war was also hilarious (the Tarentines attacked a Roman vacationer)

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>>2718501
You're thinking of traditional hoplite warfare, which was long dead by Pyrrhus' day. Pyrrhus and the rest of the greek world at the time fought in the Macedonian tradition, using specialist pikemen, peltasts and very skilled cavalry. It was simple by modern day standards, but still way more complicated than old school hoplite warfare.

>>2718501
are you high? how can you even think this is a real argument even for a brainlet?

>>2718232
Fuck I'm saving these.

>>2719751
>mamertines started the punic war
Yeah sorry you're completely right. Just had a brainfart. I always get those two mixed up for some fucked up reason.

>>2719751
What type of vacationer takes 10 ships with them

>>2718483
>He was the best Diadochi general

Seleukos is unimpressed.

>>2721240
The wikipedia page summary said he was sightseeing, but he could have been exerting Roman influence there

>>2721240
that was before romans had much luck on the sea

>>2718492

Hey there pol.

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>>2718217
>Pyrrhos "Rooftile'd" Aiakides

kek'd