DID THE HOLOCAUST REALLY HAPPEN?

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While it may have happened, the numbers are HIGHLY exaggerated.

I'm pretty sure many here can accept that it did happen, but not at such an exaggerated scale. There were many other factors that lead to so many Jews being killed, and even then 6 million is a bit much.

>>27137

All history before 1970s was faked in order to control humans.

>>27170
What about the Vietnam War?

>>27156
>This Fucking image.
You fucking nigger this is the most easily debunked piece of holocaust denial ever, those numbers list survivors who died AFTER the war

>>27189
Some folks were born.

Yes, but figures are slightly inflated , the real issue are the other victims often go ignored

When you think holocaust you think Jews; not Soviet POWs, Soviet civilians, the disabled, the mentally handicapped, the homosexual, and snginre who didn't fit into the Nazi perfect vision

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>>27190
Sure thing bud.

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No

>>27190
What a retarded theory

>>27186
That paper is to do with Oranienburg concentration camp, one of the original detention and work camps, not an extermination camp, it was shutdown by 1936 too

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>>27137
>>>/pol/

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If the holocaust didn't happen then where did all the Jews go?

>>27253
Technically, the events in question are old enough to be history, and relatively unrelated to politics or current events.

>>27137
Not exactly

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>>27276
here

This thread is one of the reasons why /his/ was a bad idea to begin with.

>>27283
yeah but this is obviously a /pol/ bait thread.

>>27276
Space

>>27137

Yes.

>>27276
If the holocaust didn't happen, why didn't East German Academics use this to support their model of a "Puppet Hitler?"

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>>27298
>>27301
Let's not discuss things that we don't agree with! Yeah!

>>27137
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsy6BvNKj28
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html

How many times are we going to have this thread?

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Surely, the hundred thousand eye-witnesses must all be lying.

straight from the horses mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AFhwwgL-94

"During the time of my struggle for power it was in the first instance the Jewish race which only received my prophecies with laughter when I said that I would one day take over the leadership of the State, and with it that of the whole nation, and that I would then among many other things settle the Jewish problem. Their laughter was uproarious, but I think that for some time now they have been laughing on the other side of their face. Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe! "

~ t. hitler
January 30, 1939
Speech in front of the Reichstag

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Blini thread?

>>27294
>Jewish Population of Palestine in 1931 : 175K
>In 1947 : 630K
LEAN MATH STORMNIGGER

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>>27355
best cat coming through

>>27342
>the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

B-but he just meant that he was going to send them to Madagascar!

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>>27340

>>27301
Even so, you'll rarely if ever see anyone present information contrary to their understanding of the period, or attempt to debunk their ideas in a normal /pol/ thread. It might actually lead to some interesting discussion -if both sides acknowledge each other and don't resort to arrows to other boards and websites, that is.

Can someone post evidence that it DID HAPPEN?

>>27190
Any proof? That's all I'm interested in, and this thread is making a pretty strong argument so far. Color me convinced. I'm definitely looking more into this.

>>27342
That's just Jewish lies. Hitler's original speech said nothing of that. It's been altered by cultural marxists.
Take the redpill

>>27137
Okay, actual /his/coolers, if you want to keep this board up, I suggest one of you takes up the minorly monumental task of preparing an inforgraphic with actually verified historical sources and urls, that can shut down the vast majority of /pol/ bait and stormfront shitposting. Holocaust denialism will just keep coming up, and you're not going to stop it because /pol/fags will just spout muh freespeech despite not realizing it's not that we're offended, we just believe them to be historically wrong and harming discourse. Is anyone up for this?

>>27405
>1943

To be fair, its pretty difficult to investigate any German camp when you haven't even occupied any yet

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>>27328
> implying /pol/ is not one huge circle jerk

>>27391
>Novelist explains that autobiographical novel is semi-fictionalized.

I remember when Tim O'Brien screwed up and revealed the Vietnam War never happened.

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>>27407
More proofs?

>>27422
Holy shit back to stormfront

>>27448
obvious sarcasm

Why did not a single nazi contest the charges brought against them in court? Every single instance that I know of they simply said they were following orders? Surely if they had not committed any crimes they would try to disprove the claims of the prosecutors, right?

8 million nazis were interviewed in a year after world war II, and thousands gave detailed accounts of their roles in the holocaust. If naziboos are to believed, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them were made under torture. If this is the case why has not a SINGLE nazi come out in the decades after world war II and recanted their testimony?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQjNs-Ght8s

>>27459
You can find people who'd actually say that with a straight face.

>>27459
Poe's law is in effect with stormtards

>>27394
No it wouldn't. For the same reason an interesting discussion would not happen out of someone claiming the Invasion of South Korea didn't happen.

It would just be stupid.

>ITT: Trying to debate one of the most documented events in human history with infographics made in stormfront

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So far 0 evidence that it DID happen, I'll side with the deniers for now.

>>27427
> anyone up for this?

workin on it

>>27459

>Obvious sarcasm

Hello newfriend. That post is not distinguishable as obvious sarcasm or even just sarcasm on 4chan. We have a sizable population of retards who actually believe that, word for word.

>>27153
You're supposed to provide proof

>>27318
LMAOOOOO
Some people really wrote this ROFL
Fucking americans man

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>>27497
really?

>>27422
>Take the redpill

the irony here being you boobs want the robot army on your side.

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>>27496
Could you please post some of that documentation?

>>27441
Wow look at all those gassed Jews, there must be about 6 million. That's all the evidence I needed, thanks anon.

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Did the 1958 FIFA World Cup really take place in Sweden?

>>27427
Try refuting these posts. Nothing will change your mind, nothing will change their mind, but I'm sick of smug people like you.
>>27318
>>27328
>>27424
>>27473

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>using the Institute of Historical Review as a source

>>27436

It didn't though, see >>27170

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>>27137
You know, I think I'll repost my thoughts on this matter from the last thread, in response to this pic.

>1. Why would the Nazi's want to kill Jews?
An excellent question, one that has been asked fore 70 years. While the decision to wipe the entire Jewish ethnic group from the face of the earth may never be fully answered, as many of the central figures of the Nazi heirarchy are dead, we do know that they did not begin their persecution with the intent to exterminate. When the Nazi's came to power they started to persecuting them in relatively small ways, such as IDing them and requiring them to wear the gold star. In the beginning it seemed they were more focused on disenfranchising them and excluding them from certain sectors of German society. At one point they attempted to exile them to nearby states, and later to Palestine when they had conquered said states. The exact reason the leaders of the Nazi Party abandoned this approach isn't fully clear, but could have been motivated by a desperation on their part, or the feeling they were sufficiently secure in their grip on power to pull it off without consequences, I'm not sure. In any case labor was hardly a resources Germany was severely lacking at that point. Their factories were getting bombed and they were scrambling for the resources to use in them, but they had enough workers for their needs, slave or otherwise.

>2. Why did they use such inefficient methods? Bullets are cheaper than gas.
I actually stopped and laughed at this. Despite what impression you might get from hollywood or vidya, bullets are really fucking expensive. A single 5.56 round that is the default bullet of infantry throughout NATO costs something like $1.50 today, and Germans were using all kinds of specialty rounds that caused hell for their logistics. Poison gasses, pound for pound, are way way cheaper for an industrial killing machine, that's half the reason the Germans started using it.

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>>27533
See? You're just a typical mad tumblr/redditfag who cannot actually debate on this subject with PROOF and you resort to namecalling. What a coward.

>>27542
What's so shocking about this?

It's like modern Britons who refuse to ever vote Conservative because of how the evil Thatcher destroyed their parents and grandparents, and to this day they get angry whenever Conservatives are mentioned

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>>27530
what about the Einsatzgruppen, what was their role during the second world war?

>>27542
>The Globe and Mail

>thousands of testimonies from every side involved, including Germans involved
>most researched subject in modern history
>almost every historian who's not pressured by ideology (like in Iran) agrees Holocaust did happen and that millions were killed
>most of dissidents simply disagree some minor issues, not that it happened
>tens of thousands of works, shitload of primary sources
>average /pol/tard refutes it all because he watched one YT video
Now seriously, get a fucking grip.

>>27496
Yet there is none of that documentation in this thread

>>27554
>now we have /pol/ tripshits
Fuck sake this board is doomed

>>27565
The other half of that reason was to dehumanize the experience for the men actually doing the killing. Ruthlessly gunning down entire villages of innocent women and children proved to be emotionally trying for many soldiers, some of whom knew their victims personally. I recall one report of a group of soldiers participating in such a massacre actually recognizing one of the corpses as a women who ran a cinema they liked to frequent. Having gas chambers only required one man to flip a switch without ever seeing the condemned, and killing so many of them he became jaded about what he was doing. Far more efficient, hence it's application to millions as an industry.

>3. How are we to believe such unreliable witness testimony?
Well, firstly because there's such an extreme abundance of it. Corroboration is a thing, and there are so many innumberable, independently verified cases that have come forward that I can't even come up with a description of how idiotic and biased one would have to be to question it with a straight face. Seriously. Even if you discount the Nuremburg testimonies, the survivors with numbers on their wrists, and the soldiers who found the camps, there is still an overwhelming amount of evidence. Paton forced an entire town to march the camps and see what was done there just to stop this kind of delusion, you can take a goddamn TOUR of the gas chambers today, and still you claim there is a lack of evidence. How much do you fucking need?

>>27565
This, and also, it's fucking hard to shoot dozens of kids and women a day. It brutalized the soldiers, even if they were indoctrinated and picked for such tasks.

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>>27584
I saw 0 of all that you speak of in this thread so far.

>>27601
>4. Only Soviets found the death camps, are you really going to believe them?
Blatantly false. Numerous Allied armies encountered death camps on their march East. As mentioned above Patton found and went through much effort to document the Ohrdruf camps. It is true that the retreating Nazis attempted to disassemble the most incriminating pieces of evidence in the Western camps, but not all to the same extent and the second hand evidence of their operation was prolific. Heaps of emaciated corpses, mass graves, etc, etc.

>5. Why are only the Jews remembered, and other supposed victims forgotten?
Partly because no other ethnic groups were targeted so widely in the operation, but also because many Zionists have a vested interest in making sure everyone knows about what happened to them and have so many avenues in English speaking academia/media to do so. Yes, /pol/, you were right in part about this one, I'll give you that. The holocaust has become a core aspect of Israels founding story, and part of the justification they give for fighting so fiercely for it. Also many Jews high up in American media today. If there were a significant number of Gypsies or Slavs in the buisness I garuntee you we'd hear more of their story, they certainly talk about among themselves often enough.

>6. Why is the Holocaust so much more important than other genocides?
Because it was an advanced, sophisticated culture at the heart of the Western world that perpetrated it. Nobody quite believed a Christian, western country could do something like that, and completely sank the prominent idea at the time that science and progress would inevitably improve humanity in every way. Progress alone did nothing to weed out humankinds bottomless capacity for cruelty, so instead western society took the holocaust as a lesson we could never, ever afford to forget. Hence the reason it comes up all the time.

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>mfw a /pol/tard thinks 6 million jews died in the gas chambers and no other methods of killing were used

>>27542
My supervisor did some research on this, it's a really interesting subject. And lots of research on the Dutch famine too.

It's epigenetics, not genetics though

>>27579
Sauce on this boy

>>27588
>>27517
>none
>>27338
>>27342
>>27465
>>27565
>>27601
>>27625

>>27591
No, I've never been to /pol/. In fact, I called out their shit in the same post but your retarded leftist ass assumed I am pol/ because I also called out your shit.

I just want to see what you have to say about those posts. But again, they're not being refuted. Waiting for your ad hominem response.

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>mfw a /pol/tard thinks a gas chamber has to be airtight to kill someone, when gas was used in open air to kill soldiers during the first world war.

>>27584
Yeah but look at all these red lines I drew in paint

>>27625

>>24018
>>24296
You want the initial reason Nazi's went after the Jews? My bad, assumed it was common knowledge. Short of it they were used as a target for some of the hate that helped unify and rally Germany behind the Nazis. They were richer than average Germans in completely crashed economy, they were more educated and a many of the hated communists were Jews. It was and easy connection to make. Then things sort of snowballed from there.


>7. Why is it illegal to doubt the holocaust? All free thinking societies should be free to express anything!
Didn't know this could land you in jail anywhere, but the reason everybody abhors the holocaust denialism is because of the statement above. I know it's legal to do where I live, but the reason it's taboo everywhere in the english speaking world is because people fear they could one day they could do something so appalling.

>>27276
hid under the earth

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>>27636
some russian girl from the website called only tease or something

>mfw /pol/tards will never talk about the 7 year supply of Zyklon B ordered every month by major deathcamps in 1942-43

>>27621
Because you don't want to see it.
Read fucking Wikipedia article, article on Holocaust is extremely well written and cited.
Just Google it.
But thing is, you DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
You want to force people to adopt your insane view.

>>27579
Eradicating Communists, including commissars and hunting partizans or other 'behind enemy lines' groups.

>>27499
Godspeed anon, /lit/ wishes you the best

>>27591
You should try to debunk their points instead of screaming /pol/! every time you see an argument from there.

>>27668

>9 leaders of the communist revolution were Jewish
>Now you might, more or less, know why Jews were later on despised in Germany.
>9 leaders
>9
>Now you might, more or less, know why Jews were later on despised in Germany.

Do you retards even read the shit you write? This is hilarious.

Oh for fuck's sake, all these stormfront macros.

>>27530
There are many evidences that could fill entire books, but that seems to me quite striking is that Nazi criminals did not deny the crimes. Neither the great leaders who were risking their lives in the Nuremberg trials, and in more than 20 trials before and after Nuremberg, neither the witnesses nor the participants in this systematic genocide, and its defenders, dared to say that the crime was nonexistent or even exaggerated, let alone to try to prove that point.

In short, those who committed the Holocaust admitted it.

>but muh torture

They agreed that the extermination program had happened because there were proofs. Incontrovertible, strong and fresh, so that their warm defense was that "they weren't aware of what was happening" (words of Albert Speer, Alfred Rosenberg used the same defense), or it was not their responsibility (Hans Frank said all extermination camps under its responsibility in Poland was in charge of Himmler), or tried to avoid proposing "humanitarian" measures such as mass sterilization (Wilhelm Stuckart) or that did not learn until Posen speech of Himmler in 1943 (August Frank, economic administrator Reich until 1943), or were powerless over the situation despite being very powerful (Hermann Goering), and even that "any personal code of ethics must surrender to the total character of war "(Karl Brandt) http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/nazi-leaders/karl-brandt/ ... and some people like Irma Grese that after recognizing its role in selecting prisoners for the gas chambers, transferred the responsibility to Himmler.

Notable are the testimonies of those who were in charge of the camps, as Rudolph Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943. In his statement, he detailed how he experimented with various poisons for killing more efficiently kill up to 2,000 people per hour (problem was what was burning, he said).
http://mailstar.net/Hoss-Memoirs.html

I could go on if you like.

Only 4 million jews died in the holocaust
prove me wrong

>>27725
>>27713
Half of them are bumfuck retarded, but this kills intellectual discourse. Ironic.

>>27713
They don't listen, I've tried on /pol/ before. They just want to circlejerk their retarded macros and scream JIDF KIKE NIGGER if you post anything against them.

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>>27711
>mfw /pol/tards think reports sent back to himler's headquarters declaring entire regions or countries "judenfrei" means that partisans have been dealt with.

ITT tripfags, fatpill plebbitors, stormweenies

cancer has found this board fast

>>27212
the camps in east germany were inspected by the reds
or the ones in croatia that were inspected by the yugoslav army

>>27690
You do know the Nazi party attempted an armed uprising in Bavaria too?

The poor oppressed National Socialists

>>27725
That's the thing, it's impossible to discuss with them, they have 1000 pictures saved, and all of them are full of bullshit.
So he just posts picture, you try to disprove it, and then he posts another and you're too tired to respond to his idiocies so he ''wins''.
And then he repeats this little game of his over and over.
That's why Holocaust discussion should be fucking banned. It attracts retards who ruin discussion for everyone.

>>27708
>mfw you won't sauce anything of what you're spamming
>mfw no face

>stormfags demand a reliable proof
>themselves present unsourceable pics made in windows paint

This is just sad actually....

>A single 5.56 round that is the default bullet of infantry throughout NATO costs something like $1.50 today

Wrong. The average price of me, a Civilian buying this around comes out to about 37 cents each bullet.

>>27625

Good post.

Holocaust is relevant because it wasn't some commies killing millions of people through incompetence.

>>27727
Honestly please go on, those stormfronters aren't going to stop posting macros

>>27759
>>27591
Samefag. Indirect passive-aggressiveness doesn't work on me :^)

Please respond to
>>27647

>>27727
No thank you

This is >>>/his/

>>27217
You know what, fine: I'll go ahead and try and treat this as a matter of honest engagement. You have 21 Questions, that I'm going to treat as honest Questions. I'm sure you'll be happy to have these laid to rest.

1) A variety of factors, the most obvious of which is that the annihilation of a people is an extremely intensive task. While the prisoners were awaiting annihilation, there was an effort to extract as much labor as possible from the prisoners, both for the war effort and the officials own personal enrichment.

This also is based on misinformation. Elie Wiesel was not a prisoner for several years. He was deported from Hungary in 1944, and freed in early 1945.

2) The answer is simple, and one of the most important problems in Holocaust Denial: It simply wasn't regarded as important at the time. It wasn't until the 1960s, and the Eichmann trial that the Holocaust became paramount among the Nazis crimes.

3) The camps were massive, sprawling enterprises enclosing thousands of people, working countless tasks. An infirmary would be needed to keep things orderly. As for the Brothel, it was created as a reward for the kapos, prisoners who would perform security functions on the other prisoners.

4) The Germans certainly did a lot of that. The definitive and incredibly well documented example of that is Reserve Police Battallion 101.

The general reasons are this:

Shooting people in the field is actually a lot more complicated and messy than is thought.

Soldiers maintain discipline by creating strict parameters about when and how they can apply lethal violence. The act of genocide breaks down those parameters, and with it, discipline.

Units deployed for mass executions began suffering from PTSD and alcoholism in large numbers, as well as facing increased rates of general offenses such as thieving, fighting and disrespect for officers.

>>27584
genetic fallacy

>>27710
did you just actually use WIKIPEDIA as a source for HOLOCAUST?

>arguing with jpgs, "info"graphics, and youtube videos

Board dead already?

>>27771

This. Hopefully gish galloping will be well understood and easily identified on this board.

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>>27772
>mfw naziboos have an incredible burden of proof but then freely use sources such as David Irving, and the IHR to support their claims when such sources and their research have been deemed in a court of law to be rubbish (see Irving v Penguin Books Ltd)

>>27660
I'm pretty sure the point they're making is that Gas being let out like that is relatively dangerous for those outside, and thus not something that sounds like a good idea.

>>27820
kek the JIDF has already infiltrated this board

>>27820
He told you to go read the citation list

>>27822
Well of course, that requires the lowest possible effort for permavirgins.

>>27820
did you just ignore the part of his post which mentions sources

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>>27838
Geee I wonder why

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>>27838
>David Irving

>>27820
And why exactly is Wikipedia bad, if article is well cited?
Can you explain why without using ''Jewish propaganda'' bullshit arguments?

>>27745
>>27744
that was /pol/ this is /his/ do it again here. They cant just call you "JIDF KIKE NIGGER" here. so if you do it here it will shut them up and they will leave.

>>27604
This is something that needs to be said, actually machine gunning civilians en masse was pretty brutal on the troops doing so, suicides in those units were quite high. The Gas solution lessened the psychological burden on the murders.

>>27779
Yeah that was a mistake on my part, closer to 50 cents. Point being anytime you unload a full automatic weapon it's going to be costly. Lining people up in trenches and hosing them with lead simply isn't an economically efficient means of genocide, and we all know the Nazi's were sticklers for efficiency.

60,000,000 people died in world War 2. That was 2.5% of the population of the world. Encyclopedia Britannica estimated the world's jewish population at 6,200,000 in 1900. Next get a calculator and multiply 365 times 5. That gives us 1825 days in 5 yrs. Then we divide 6000000 by 1825. That gives us 3287 people to be exterminated every day without taking one day off. Today they say there were 6 death camps. Auschwitz had 15 cremation ovens. So we will use that number for ALL the camps. These ovens held one body at a time. 15 ovens times 6 camps is 90 ovens total. So 90 cremations could take place at once time in all. The top of the line crematorium today can cremate a body in 2 hours. Let's say that in the 1930s the Germans had it down and could duplicate todays best. So we multiply 90 times 12. That gives us 1080 possible cremations per day without wasting a second. When you subtract 1080 cremations from the mandatory 3287 deaths per day and we have 2207 bodies that didn't get cremated. If you multiply 2207 bodies times 1825 days in 5 years and you have 4,027,775 bodies that didn't get cremated. Where are the bodies?

>>27697
Who photoshopped these? Find some reference to all those images that suggests it was photoshopped by people intending to cover it up, rather than people producing those to push the narrative that all images are faked
You can't just post shit like this, regardless about your beliefs, otherwise this place is going to turn to shit

>>27859
You can literally dispute anything with ''conspiracy'' theory.
Like, Finland doesn't exist. It's just a Jewish conspiracy to make us think it exists.
Did any of you every visit Finland? See, no such place.
All information on internet and all ''Finns'' you see are simply fabrication.
You can't prove to me this isn't Jewish conspiracy.

>>27859

>court is jooz
>if i put gee in front of my obvious shilling everyone will just accept how obviously true my blatant lie is

ayyy

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>>27859
>mfw naziboos think that all contrary opinions and all evidence against the nazis are part of some grand conspiracy pulled off by 0.12% of the world's population widely scattered throughout the world.

>>27340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlPlZGvgY0
Most of them aren't lying, they were just told that when they got separated from their families that their families were gassed. The families were simply transported to other camps or parts of Europe. The camps were shitty, but the Germans made an attempt at making them humane, with orchestras, hospitals, plays, etc.

>>27774
Vice versa too.
It doesn't end.

>>27759
>>27591
samefag

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>>27797
> samefag
> everybody likes tripfags

plz leave

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlPlZGvgY0
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>>27727
>>27793

Proud was also Fritz Klein, a physician at Bergen-Belsen, who said "My Hippocratic Oath tells me extirpates the gangrenous appendix in the body. The Jews are the gangrenous appendix of mankind. Therefore the Excise".
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/463589355363082978/
And there is the declaration of Alfred Trzebinski, supervisor of cruel medical experiments, that the children who were executed "Jews only" as if that would lower the atrocity.

In 1961, when the head of the deportation of Jews, Adolf Eichmann was captured in Argentina and brought to trial, he explicitly said he did not dispute the facts of the Holocaust, but he had acted simply "following orders".
He also admitted after trying to deny it, that in 1945 he said: "I'll jump into my grave laughing because the feel that five million human beings in my consciousness, is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/eichmann_01.shtml
Later, already condemned, in a private correspondence he regretted that they had not fulfilled the mission to kill Jews 10.3 million, the total number in occupied Europe.
The same happened in other specific judgments as 1996 Erich Priebke, who accepted his crimes as captain of the SS in Rome, but shied away from the responsibility also saying that "he was following only orders" and just in 2012 with the Hungarian Nazi Laszlo Csatary occurred the same was not his defense "did not happen", but "following orders".

I always thought the whole "blame everything on jews" was just a stupid meme. But recently I've started reading about the immense constrol of central banks, and who is behind the banks. On top of them all is the Rothschild family.

They control every single Central Bank on the planet, except two: Cuba and North Korea.
2000 that number was 7: Cuba, NK, Afghanistan, Lybia, Sudan, Iraq and Iran.
Is it really coincidence that exactly those countries have been in all Media for the past 15 years?
The leaders of Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan and Lybia were taken down by the West (America and Britain), the puppets of the Rothschild. Iran was bribed with the atomic deal and increasing tensions with the West scared them of opposing the Jew. Cuba is now entering deals with the US and NK has been in the news lately as well.

The Rothschilds fortune, estimated between 500 and 700 TRILLION dollars, comes primarely from plunging all nations into debt. They control the money, the control the gold, they control the governments. They control or have deals with almost all banks everywhere, which in turn have control over the media. The reason why you see so much leftist propaganda in the media is because they orchestrate it. Leftist politics lead to debt and money printing, the business of the Rothschild.

Is it coincidence that Isreal is strangely backed by the US, for seemingly no reason?
Is it coincidence that Nazi Germany lost WW2?
Is it coincidence that every politician who aims to reduces the national debt (Lincoln, Kennedy, ...) or challenges the banks (Haider in this country) is assasinated?
Is it coincidence that every hot spot in the world right now is next to Europe? They want refugees to come here, to break Europe and the Euro. They want to create a single world currency. A drug on which everyone is dependant on.

>>27900
That's their sick logic, because they are mostly anti-social people who don't know how people interact and how world works.
In their mind, Jews, a persecuted group of 16 million, still hated in many parts of world, manages to control every court, every academician, every government, every media. They seriously think this is possible.
Though it's true Jews have disproportionate influence in media kek.

>>27933
I used to be afraid of that shit, but is there an actual source for their influence?

>>27946

Don't forget all the doctors too.

Visit /pol/, they literally think anyone who does a medical procedure is Jewish too.

>>27932
We have the testimony of the perpetrators, the testimony of the victims (survivors, some prominent as Primo Levi and Elie Wiesel, but mostly of thousands more), the testimony of the soldiers who liberated the camps, the gas chambers, invoices industrial designs and crematoria of Topf and Sons to burn thousands of bodies a day, the disappearance of millions of Jews and Gypsies of Europe, the declared Nazi attitude towards those considered "inferior" ... data to bore. Conclusive data. In fact, the Nazi genocide is one of the best documented crimes in history, partly because of bureaucratic thoroughness of the Nazis, who recorded in documents carefully who entered the camps, who was destined to die as a slave worker and who was exterminated immediately, belongings, etc.

>The Holocaust: A History of the Jews of Europe During the Second World War
Is probably the best one-volume history
>The Destruction of the European Jews
Is also good, but it's worth noting that it was published in the 60s and is missing on some recent historiography
On that note,
>Rethinking the Holocaust
Is good if you're interested in the recent stuff, although it assumes a good general knowledge of the period already.

>>27933
>for seemingly no reason
Only if you don't know shit about geopolitics.
Also, Jewish lobby is strong in USA. But reasons are mostly American interest.
Israel is/was American proxy in Middle East.

>>27929
Wow. What a great picture. Consider me 'redpilled' now.

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This thread was predicted

>>27946
You'd be surprised how much in common /pol/autists have in common with SJWs. For starters, both of them unironically believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories that the world is controlled by a small group of people (Jews/The Patriarchy) and how they are always the 'victims' of their trickery. It's quite sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kl9zbpv6ukh

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>>27988
hmu

>>27897

I live on the border of the area marked as "Finland" on most maps.

You'd need to be stupid to believe a made up ethnolingual group not even indigenous to the area would have a nation state between two larger Indo-European populations.

>>27988
I'm not surprised. It's two sides of the same coin.
Irrational people with mental issues.

>>27933

Except there's no supporting evidence for this at all. The Rothschilds are just a get out of jail free card for whenever a stormfag is confronted with any of the countless non-Jews with huge amounts of power. They just scream MUH ROTHSCHILDS and any politician, banker, CEO, business owner, or other authority is now conveniently a Jewish puppet. Let's of course just ignore the fact that even if the Rothschild were the power behind everything, that would be the fucking Rothschilds, not "Jews."

I left 4chan for a while, came back, marvel at the new announcement about the creation of /his/, carefully read the rules about "no /pol/" on the sticky and this is literally the first thread I read. Good job, OP. The holocaust of my sides did happen at least.

Unless holocaust denialism is ban, this board will be over-run with it imo due to the demographics of certain parts of this site and their crank idea of history & them seeing this as a good place to "troll/convert/redpill" people

>>27642
don't worry, the naziboos will ignore any and all claims contrary to their ideas. That is the only way holocaust denialists can operate

>>27987
Every time someone asked for a /his/ board, the inevitable rampant Holocaust denialism was always the primary argument against it.

We should really just ban all discussion of the subject. It draws in so many obnoxious /pol/fags that it's simply absurd.

>>28039
lel +1 posting point tavorisch

>>28020
Rothschilds are pretty powerful family no doubt.
But they are fucking family, not hive-mind. There's hundreds of Rotschilds.

>>28044
>holocaust denialism is ban
Which should be done because of the rampant faggotry it causes, and not the idea itself. I hope you realize that.

>>28044
Maybe just only allow Holocaust denialism on /pol/. Don't let the loonies out of the asylum.

>>28074
Faggotry is inherent to Holocaust denialism, though.

>>28044
It's equal parts /pol/ and tumblr/reddit/SJW ruining this board.

Personally I've seen far more people claiming stuff is triggering them over inane shit than seen anyone talk about Jews irrationally.

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>>27974
Unbiased authors when?

>>28110
Agreed.

>>28106
So is wanting free speech removed because it disagrees with you.

Ban it because it's retarded, not because it hurts your feelings.

>>28044
No, I say we keep these threads. They always get BTFO by facts. The only thing they have going for them are some absurd and painfully easy to refute paint macros made in stormfront.

>>28074
"rampant faggotry"
ayy lmao

I don't like holocaust denialism because it's bullshit, you homophobic loser

>>28074
Honestly I agree with this and I've said so in /qa/ before, banning holocaust denial is a measure to prevent this board getting overrun and quality plummeting

>>28110
Literally being so 4channed that you can only separate the world into spheres of tumblr, reddit, SJW and /pol/

>>28150
see
>>28137

gg tumblr

>>28139
Yes, but then they just reappear in the next thread about the Holocaust. It just keeps going around in circles. This topic has been discussed to hell and back on 4chan already and nothing has changed.

>>28153
NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS OUR PRECIOUS HISTORY STORY THAT DEFINITELY HAPPENED LIKE THE JEWS SAID NO LIES AT ALL OR GET TURNED INTO A LAMPSHADE GOY

Lmao @ the weak arguments for banning holocaust denialism. "Only cuz we get over-run" etc. Yeah that's a factor, a significant one. The other factor is that it's bullshit. Conceding the former and not the latter is giving the stormfags a conciliatory handjob.

>>28153
I'm pretty sure /his/ will die down a lot within a week, like what happened with /biz/.

>>278005
5) This isn't all that surprising. The Third Reich was a a tangled, lawless mess that worked on the principle of 'working towards the fuhrer'. That is, rather than waiting for orders from above, officials should anticipate the fuhrer's desires and work towards those on their own initiative. As such, it would be unnecesary and uncharacteristic for the Fuhrer-State to produce a single document outlining their plans for European Jewry. I would go so far as to say the Fuhrer-State was incapable of producing such a thing.

Further tens of thousands of people would not be required for such a plan to unfold. The usual list of those involved in direct planning is reserved to a few figures within the RHSA.

6) Well, the reason is very simple: Treblinka was the 'flagship' of the murderous enterprise, but it was hardly the only part. Early estimates on the death toll in Treblinka were based on estimates of the total number of Jews killed. As per your question number 4, it became apparent as time went on that loads of people never even made it to Treblinka, they were shot on the spot.

7) The use of euphemisms is common practice in other crimes against humanity, including Soviet, Rwandan, Japanese, and Chinese crimes.

Consider for example, the use of the term 'logs' by members of Unit 731 to refer to prisoners.

It is difficult and unnerving for people, people who consider themselves civilized to talk about mass murder, especially the mass murder of old men, women, and children.

8) The bodies were not burned in pits. When they were burned, it was in the Crematorium. When the Crematoria were overfilled, these were supplemented by open air burnings.

9) This question is too vague to give a proper answer to. If you can source specific claims about Dachau and Bergen-Belsen, I can do some research and trace the pattern of those specific claims.

10) I will admit, I do not have the relevant technical expertise to answer this question.

>>28199
True but then you trigger them so they start spamming pictures from Stormfront.
/pol/tards are same shit as SJW's, moronic people not interested in any discussion.
They just want their worldview to become norm for everyone.
If you disagree, you're a Jew shill kike.
Of course, shitload of people simply troll. That's why Holocaust discussion should be banned, for both reasons.

>ITT: Nazis dindu nuffin wrong, it was the jewtriarchy

>>28137
>not because it hurts your feelings.

The only hurt feelings I have are the ones caused by the horrible fucking historiographical understanding displayed by /pol/fags in this thread.

Holocaust denialism and anyone who takes it seriously have no understanding of how to study history. So whatever they have to say on other historical subjects is undoubtably shallow and worthless.

>>27727
See >>27998
>I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people is to be exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination right, we'll do it'. And then they all come along 80 million good Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are all swines, but this particular one is a first-class Jew. Of all those who talk like this, not one has watched, not one has stood up to it. To have endured through this and yet, apart from a few exceptions, examples human weaknesses, to have remained decent, this has made us hard.This is a glorious chapter in our history that has never been written and shall never be written.....

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hmu

>>28218
Where the fuck did my first post go?

>>28192
WELL THEN MAKE THE DISCUSSION INTERESTING BY READING OTHERS ARGUMENTS INSTEAD OF CIRCLEJERKING ON YOUR IMAGEMACROS

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>>27137
Even jews themselves have told me that none of them believe the official story, there is too much that doesn't add up and seems to be the biggest lie ever told.
Pretty obvious that it was a way to demonise the german population so we don't feel bad about firebombing all their cities or possible nuking them.

>>28243
Or maybe your completely wrong and do not know how to separate fact from fiction.
If you studied history at a university I bet they were very careful to keep you sucking on their kool aid.

>>28270
Jesus fuck I'm trying to refrain myself but I just can't because of the hypocrisy. I've seen shit-flinging from both sides, and NEITHER has refuted a single of the other side's arguments. /pol/ isn't refuting any arguments, and even their sourced macros aren''t being refuted.

>>27647
>being historically accurate is being a leftist

lol

>>28326
Get the fuck out faggot

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I like how this thread isn't even about Holocaust anymore, it's just shit-flinging contest between Holocaust-denying boogeyman that is /pol/ and Holocaust-admitting boogeyman that is 'the joos'.

>>28311
I hope you're being sarcastic right now.

>>27987
That was a blatant troll thread where the OP stated that he didn't care if there was overwhelming proof against it because muh nazis

>>28342
So you can keep circle-jerking and acting faux-superior?

Again, you're not refuting their arguments, and they're not refuting yours. Pure and simple.

>>28326
"Refuting arguments"
>4chan
There's a reason why it should be banned. It's bad for the kids who come here & read Neo-Nazi propaganda. Most of them are poorly socialised impressionable dweebs and the last thing their chances of getting laid needs is adoption of a Neo-Nazi ideology. /pol/ and /r9k/ are a homeostasis of celibacy and betadom.

>>28326
what am I fucking trying to say you think? There is no good discussion in this thread, this is PURE cancer, I was replying to a /pol/ack faggot

>be regular on /int/ because i enjoy other cultures and history
>see there's a new history and humanities board
>wew lad, perfect
>look at most active thread
>did le holocaust really happen?????? :oooo
You fucking niggers, you ruin everything

>>28273
>Pretty obvious that it was a way to demonise the german population so we don't feel bad about firebombing all their cities or possible nuking them.
That's so fucking retarded, they didn't give a fuck about firebombing the Germans for one thing, the logic was "They bombed us, so fuck those guys".
Secondly the bulk of the Revelations above the Holocaust only surfaced after the war, where is the good in justifying something years after it happened?

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>>27159
It's this shit that puts a lot of doubt into my mind about a lot of info I hear.

The other big problem is how much of it is "eye witness" stuff but it's often contradictory. Instead of getting to the truth it seems like a lot of historians (or the public at least) has just taken the most common shit as fact.

I know the holocaust happened, I just want to know to what scale it was really at, and how many of those Jewish deaths were systematic executions rather than due to sickness.

What most of this thread is is just each side posting stuff that supports their opinion. What I'd love to see is explanations for why the opposing sides materials exists besides "theyre crazy"

>>27434
It's not, there's a fuck load of arguing and even discussion there. Infact it's often better than here because you don't have people constantly whining about /pol/ over there or shitposting like you, which just ruins debate

>>28381
see
>>28139

Apparently some people want to see refuting done.

>>28366
Actually I said there isn't overwhelming proof and muh holocaust denialism has no defence. I wouldn't even bother to posit it as a hypothetical because of >>28381
It's about us grown ups being responsible internet users for kids who are probably going to shoot up their schools if we don't set responsible guidelines

>>28409
This.

I'm going back to /brit/. Fuck this shit.

>>28326
> nobody is debating muh holohoax meme

>>28311
>If you studied history at a university I bet they were very careful to keep you sucking on their kool aid.
You fucking moron, if you had ever studies history past fucking primary school you'd know that that most of what they teach you is HOW TO STUDY history, how to do research, how to look up primary sources, how to vett those sources. What do you think a degree in history is? Some guy lecturing about established doctrine for 8 semesters? Are you fucking stupid?

>>28395
That post was clearly biased towards your side, but okay. I'm literally just here to point out the same thing you are, nothing is being accomplished here.

>>28409
There's a dozen other decent threads up now. Bait threads are most popular, apparently.

>>28423
See
>>27276

>>28451
Yet, people are complaining /pol/tards aren't responding to their arguments.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. You can see that, right?

>>28462
>The Holocaust happened makes you an SJW
Yeah only radical fucking leftists believe in the holocaust am I right?

>>28428
No.
You said

"Don't give a shit.
Fuck off Nazis."

>history board is less than a day old
>scum have already started the revisionism

>>28423
>contradictory
>people who went through fucking hellish conditions don't recall what happened with 100% accuracy
>it's Jewish conspiracy!
>shitload of German officials admit it
>they were forced!
>material evidence
>falsified by Jews!
>historians working with primary sources
>forced by Jews!
What kind of argument do you want?
Do you want us to invent a time travel machine so you can go to Auschwitz to see what happened, or to Babi Yar so you can see Einsatzgruppen shooting tens of thousands of people?
You know what the dumbest thing is, Holocaust doesn't even fucking matter. More Slavs were killed by Nazis than Jews.
1/4 of Belarus was extinguished by Germans. Hundreds of villages torched to the ground, some with inhabitants.
In Yugoslavia, in one day 3000 people were shot because some German soldiers were killed by partisans.
Even if everything about Holocaust is false, Nazis committed shitload of other crimes.
You simply can't whitewash them.

I guess mainstream historiography is an SJW-JEW plot.

Funny that idiots here are admitting tumblr is more academically sophisticated than 4chan

>>28458
Universities are brainwashing factories that churn out useless graduates that can barely think for themselves let alone research anything that isn't already approved by their Marxist peers.

>>28510
No that was the third response to the thread, not me (OP).

>>28489
/pol/tards haven't made any arguments. Their pics are just fucking autistic.

>>28074
Faggotry like a trip that contributes nothing more than an anon to the board?

Yeah, I agree

>>28517
What people also don't realize is, in the chance that the Holocaust didn't happen, it doesn't really matter because it's been so engrained into history over the past century.

>>28533

i've never read a more fedora laden sentence in my life.

>>28533
As a marxist academic I can authentically refute that "marxist graduate students" are a lilliputian minority. The mainstream ideological current in academia is a kind of vague and diffuse liberal progressivism. Marxists and conservatives are both thought of as "to the right" of the mainstream institutionalised French brainrot (Foucauldian, Postcolonial, Deconstructionist).

>>28555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>28414
>Oh no not the terror bombing stukas! oh gee this is gonna be pure chaos!

>>28533

Translation:

>I'm a right wing sociopath historical revisionist nutcase and I have to alleviate the cognitive dissonance caused by the fact that I know I'm right even though no one smart actually agrees with me

>>28536
you know, why not refute their pics instead of just arguing around it?

I'm not a /pol/ user and I believe the holocaust happened, but rather than posting ad-hominens and argumentative fallacies, I think you should actually just point out why the holohoax shit is fake.

For example if someone insisted the world was flat, the easier way of refuting him would be to say 'well look at these evidences'. Simplying calling him autistic and saying 'hurr your argument is presented throuh a picture', doesn't really take away his credence. (it takes away yours)

>>28536
Multiple ones have been sourced. That's all I'm saying.

>>28537
Ironically, this is the least contributory post in thread, even beating /pol/bait posts.

>>28555
>it doesn't really matter because it's been so engrained into history over the past century
There is a reason for that. There are still a marginalized group of faggots trying to say nazis dindu nuffin. Also fuck off tripfag.

>>28517
Why won't you any of you ever acknowledge the crimes done to the german people by the soviets and Americans after the war?
Oh yes that right doesn't fit in with the WE GOOD GUYS THEY BAD GUYS narrative.

>>28595

He probably has experience with what refuting their infographs achieves.

Spoilers: It's more infographs and accusations that you're JIDF

>>28489
Why fucking bother arguing with holocaust deniers always falls back to "That's just Jew propaganda".
You can bring up the literally hundreds of thousands of survivors, the photographs, the psychical evidence, the perpetrators who confessed, the German records that record it, the fucking mass graves it doesn't matter the response is always the same.
>>28533
Confirmed for never having set foot inside inside a University, or probably even a high school

>>28555
Like Rome? Rome is also pretty "engrained" in history studies

I for one think that this whole "Rome" thing is just a conspiracy by wops to try and make us feel like they're superior to us

>>28470
Check this out
>>27217
>>27800
Literally someone trying to refute someone else but it gets ignored, no one even tries to refute him everyone just keeps posting macros, complaining or telling people to go back to /pol/
There is no discussion, just circlejerk, the reason why no one tries to uphold a discussion is because no one will participate

>>28605
>The Holocaust didn't happen!
>Yes it did.
>WELL THE GERMANS HAD IT REALLY HARD TOO!

Sore loser.

>>28175
>being so triggered you miss the point entirely

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>>28510
That was not OP. The 2nd and 3rd responses were the same person sockpuppeting to derail the thread into equating the notion of banning holocaust denialism with dismissal of all evidence. In all likelihood, you are the very same sockpuppet.

>>28605
>i-i-if i turn the argument onto something else, it'll be like i'm winning!

>>28612
Try not to convince the opponent, try to convince onlookers.

At the moment, the opponent is more credible than you.

>>28619
I don't know, people who say shit like "JEW PROPAGANDA" are retarded, but what >>28595 said is true.

Sure, don't waste your time arguing with people who can't be convinced, but don't act so better than them when you're doing the some of the things they're doing.

>>28605
Those crimes did happen. No one denies them. You dumb fucking retard.
However, people didn't suddenly start killing Germans. Germans did suddenly start invading lands and claiming their ''living space'' left and right.
Do you understand?
Germans started the chain of violence, not Slavs, or French, or British.

>>28631
Yes, that was the point I was trying to make. Good job understanding it.

>>28632
Exactly.

>>28558
>>28589
>I'm so smart look at me dont question anything that I say oy vey
To
>>28619
I graduated university it was awful, if you do not agree with everything they say you are basically ostracised, I was a good goy at the time though but I knew something wasn't right.
I think you boys need to think carefully about why you believe what you do.

>>28672

>the opponent is more credible than you.

In the eyes of a retard maybe. If you don't know how to think critically at a basic level then that's your problem. In reality, addressing them would be like acknowledging that they're human at all, which is already lending too much credibility to a /pol/ shill.

>>28647

There is no evidence for holocaust denial. All of it will be emitting a minute detail or ignoring something important. That's how 9/11 Truthers works. That's how Holocaust deniers work. /his/ does not deserve to become a second fucking /pol/. If you want to talk about your lunatic conspiracy theories, go circlejerk with the rest of the Nazis on /pol/.

>>28718
>oy vey
>good goy

Just lay off the shitty, overdone buzzwords and maybe we'll take you seriously.

>>28589
This is the most "I don't know where the fuck I am" post I've ever seen on 4chan.

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>West did not long for war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive
>assist poles who were both hunting jews and etnic germans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
http://www.thefuhrerbunker.com/WWII.htm

Some random shit to consider with "top notch" sources.

>>27212
Dude it even says so on the document. Do you even German?

>>28741
>waaah 4chan is muh sekrit club!! we are elite!!!

What is this? 2009?

>>28741
>I'm a retard and it's my right to be one because I'm on 4chan

>>28595
Because, you reply to them, they ignore you. And any evidence that there was at least an attempt at having a discussion gets buried between shitposts.

See
>>27642

Anti-semitism/anti-bankerism/anti-finance capital is just the retarded, uneducated version of anti-capitalism, that is common on both the left (Occupy Wall Street) and the right (Holocaust Denial).

Please read some economic history (history rather than graphs and theories, and the mainstream stuff preferably). You'll quickly see how the world economy works and that there is no "Jew" hidden in the process of the accumulation and extraction of profit, just rational choices made by rational agents in a system of maximising profit that doesn't have some utopian setting that automatically makes everyone happy, but leaves a lot of people miserably well off and well miserable, so they invent or embrace ideologies that distort this reality and lay the blame on fantastic creatures or illusions.

>>28728
I visit /pol/ daily, but I wouldn't consider myself a Nazi.

How can you criticize someone when you yourself just stooped to their level?

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>be on /tv/ for 8 year or so
>working on phd
>getting bored with all the /pol/ bullshit these days
>discover there is /his/
>same holocaust denial crap
Why guys? Why can't you read a book written by a proper historian instead of posting bullshit images you found on the internet.

>>28267
I don't know mate. I'd like to raise a discussion about forensic evidence and more tangible proofs, if you have that sort of knowledge under your belt.

>>28723
Sorry but until someone tells me why the seemingly illogical gas-chamber door or the treblinka soil being disturbed etc etc

is exactly incorrect, as a neutral bystander I have to go with it.

The holocaust is not self evident to any degree? Its a historical event from 70 odd years ago. How can it be a failure in critical thinking in not knowing exactly which source to believe?

>>27434
Here's a selection of things I see on /pol/ almost every single day:

Bernie threads
Trump threads
(less often) Hillary threads
Assad/Putin supporters
Syrian rebel/ISIS supporters
>Libertarians are retards
>Statists are retards
Atheism general
Christian general

and this is just a small sampling. 4Chan isn't a reddit-tier hugbox where you're only exposed to opinions you're comfortable with - unpopular and controversial opinions actually get BUMPED. You should spend a bit of time on /pol/, ask some questions, see what it's all about. You might just find that the reason particular opinions are so popular there is that they're correct.

>>28792
Don't expect meth smoking high school dropouts to be literate.

>>28792
Proper historians are jews or indoctrinated.

>>28792
Honestly I beg to hiro that he bans this, there's no discussion, the africa thread is better than this

>>28642
>>28655
>>28677
Look at these fucking dorks proving the point entirely, after all the falsified 'evidence' presented like zyklon b and fucking skin lampshades and shit American and soviet troops had no qualms whatsoever about treating the German civilians like animals, they became the monster they invented.

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>>28754
It's actually 2015

I've yet to see anybody refute the claim that the numbers are exaggerated

>>28798
guys?

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>>28764
Fucking hell this one needs to go back in the oven he isn't done yet

>>28858
Anyone who believes that 6 million died in the Holocaust is an obvious Jewish shill. The real number is closer to 12 million, when you account for Slavs, gypsies, homosexuals etc who were also killed.

>>28858
Actually I haven't seen much refuted, One guy went after the list of questions and I appreciate him actually tackling the them.

The rest of this thread is basically people just complaining about /pol/

I'm not a /pol/-tard, and I'd welcome some refutations of what the /pol/ people are posting, but all that is happening is the following

>/pol/ posts inforaph
>someone replies hurr durr fuck off /pol/
>someone says well refute it
>some says hurr durr /pol/ will call me a jew and then goes on to say how there is no space for discussion here

its really dreadful

>>28754
>>28755
Literally proving my point. You're nothing more than retards who think they're among good company. Probably haven't even been here for more than a year with this much of a tumblr mentality.

>>28901
/thread

>>28910
>If you aren't a sociopathic conspiracy theorist you're tumblr.

Here's some fun quotes:
Holocaust survivor Vera Alexander on Dr Mengele
>I remember one set of twins in particular: Guido and Ina, aged about four. One day, Mengele took them away. When they returned, they were in a terrible state: they had been sewn together, back to back, like Siamese twins. Their wounds were infected and oozing pus. They screamed day and night. Then their parents—I remember the mother's name was Stella—managed to get some morphine and they killed the children in order to end their suffering.
Hitler in 1922
>Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows—at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example—as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.
Hans Frank, governor of occupied Poland
>I ask nothing of the Jews except that they should disappear.

>>28971
Nazi offical Victor Brack, in a letter to Hitler
>Dear Reichsführer, among tens of millions of Jews in Europe, there are, I figure, at least two to three millions of men and women who are fit enough to work. Considering the extraordinary difficulties the labour problem presents us with, I hold the view that those two to three millions should be specially selected and preserved. This can, however, only be done if at the same time they are rendered incapable to propagate. About a year ago I reported to you that agents of mine had completed the experiments necessary for this purpose. I would like to recall these facts once more. Sterilization, as normally performed on persons with hereditary diseases, is here out of the question, because it takes too long and is too expensive. Castration by X-ray however is not only relatively cheap, but can also be performed on many thousands in the shortest time. I think that at this time it is already irrelevant whether the people in question become aware of having been castrated after some weeks or months, once they feel the effects. Should you, Reichsführer, decide to choose this way in the interest of the preservation of labor, then Reichsleiter Bouhler would be prepared to place all physicians and other personnel needed for this work at your disposal. Likewise he requested me to inform you that then I would have to order the apparatus so urgently needed with the greatest speed. Heil Hitler! Yours, VIKTOR BRACK.

>>28901
>>28950

Please fuck off and die you ignorant morons. Go browse a similar thread on /pol/ to understand why the people who actually know what they're talking about don't waste their time refuting /pol/ "info"graphs. Most of them aren't even arguments to begin with, which just proves how stupid the person who saved them is.

>hurr durr look at this crazy claim someone made about the holocaust! too ridiculous to be true!

How are you supposed to refute that? Sit the /pol/ drone down like he's in second grade and explain to him how critical thinking works at the most basic level?

>>28757
This desu senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6eq-g5gvTM

>>28988
Nazi official Rudolf Brant, in a report to Himmler
>We have a nearly complete collection of skulls of all races and peoples at our disposal. Only very few specimens of skulls of the Jewish race, however, are available with the result that it is impossible to arrive at precise conclusions from examining them. The war in the East now presents us with the opportunity to overcome this deficiency. By procuring the skulls of the Jewish-Bolshevik Commissars, who represent the prototype of the repulsive, but characteristic subhuman, we have the chance now to obtain a palpable, scientific document.

>>28971
Well that speech (by Hitler) was simply political inflammatory bullshit.
Decision to exterminate Jews was made much later.
Before that, they toyed with various ideas. Like often mentioned expulsion to Madagascar.

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>>28901
Yeah, meta posting is such a joy and I think it will be in the end the death of this board. Then again, if it's moderated well this board could be the crossroads between /pol/ and the rest of the site.

To kickstart the (meta) discussion on your question, here's an infographic. There's also >>27888 (hitler trips coincidentally) and my own query regarding the forensic details.

>>27217
>>27800
>>28218
Oh, there it is.

11) Because that was an urban legend. As early as 1950 the lamphsades from human skin was denied in court. If the claim is dying out, that's a good thing. This also shows the narrative plausibility of the holocaust. If the whole thing was a fabrication, why would they create fabrications in some cases, but not the other?

12) This is untrue. There is a single reference to steam chambers, and electrical grids in the Nuremberg trials, in a single document offered by the Polish Government in exile, mentions them in passing. No evidence was presented for them, no one was questioned, sentenced or executed for operating them.

14) Not particularly, unless symbolic equivalence means literal equivalence. Auschwitz was a sprawling complex holding thousands of people, and Wiesel never went near the gas chambers. There was no reason for him to mention a thing he did not see.

15) As an oral historian, this doesn't surprise me. Almost every soldier I've talk to personally had Winston Churchill salute them. They were examined by a doctor, Doctor Mengele entered their mind at a later time, and the symbols became conjoined. Human memory is not a video recording, but symbol based.

16) I would guess because of inaccurate use of the equipment, or inaccurate reading of documents (which is very, very common with holocaust deniers).

I would also suspect that because sonar is a method for penetrating water. You'd have more luck with radar, which HAS been used to find mass graves.

17) It depends on how you're defining 'hard evidence.' You've brought a direct comparison to the OJ Simpson trial. The physical evidence consisted of hair and blood samples, along with shoe and glove prints, that indicate he was at the scene of the crime.

I can point you towards countless pieces of evidence that the Germans were there at Treblinka, not the least of which is the physical structure of Treblinka itself.

>>29005
Rudlof Hoss on Auschwitz
>Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas chambers to accommodate 2,000 people at one time, whereas at Treblinka their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each. The way we selected our victims was as follows: we had two SS doctors on duty at Auschwitz to examine the incoming transports of prisoners. The prisoners would be marched by one of the doctors who would make spot decisions as they walked by. Those who were fit for work were sent into the Camp. Others were sent immediately to the extermination plants. Children of tender years were invariably exterminated, since by reason of their youth they were unable to work. Still another improvement we made over Treblinka was that at Treblinka the victims almost always knew that they were to be exterminated and at Auschwitz we endeavored to fool the victims into thinking that they were to go through a delousing process. Of course, frequently they realized our true intentions and we sometimes had riots and difficulties due to that fact. Very frequently women would hide their children under the clothes but of course when we found them we would send the children in to be exterminated. We were required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy but of course the foul and nauseating stench from the continuous burning of bodies permeated the entire area and all of the people living in the surrounding communities knew that exterminations were going on at Auschwitz.

>>28728
Translation:
Want to shut down any discussion I don't agree with, /his/ should be my leftist echo chamber

>>28991
>I won't refute any of the points raised in infographs because they're from /pol/

genetic fallacy

>How are you supposed to refute that

Surely if the mainstream story of the holocaust is as commonsensical as you seem to imply, the gaps in the story these /pol/-tards are posting should be easily refuted?

You're not meant to convince /pol/-tards, you're meant to give them an actual argumentative opposition.

If not, they've won the argument simply because you're too retarded and butthurt to refute, what should be simple things.

Can someone translate this shit?
This spaniard made a great argument against holocaust deniers, but my english sucks
http://noqueimporte.blogspot.mx/2014/01/negar-las-atrocidades-nazis.html

>>28737
BUT HOW WOULD THEY FIT IN?

>>27888
>where are the boddies
First, you're mistaking commercial cremation with cremation for purposes of hiding your crimes.
Latter is much faster, and you can literally do whatever you want, like cremate three bodies in one oven at once.
They also burned bodies in big piles, and then buried the bones. But crematoria was cleaner.
About the rest, not every Jew was exterminated in extermination camps. Many were simply shot in mass executions, or hanged, or whatever.
Read Einsatzgruppen. No one claims 6 million Jews were gassed and then put into oven.
You just heard that from popular talk and now you disprove argument which was never made.

>>29041

>being so mentally ill you associate any rejection of fringe conspiracy theories with leftism

You seriously belong in a straitjacket. Fucking lunatic.

>>29059

Just look up what Gish Galloping is and you'll never make a moronic post like this again. You'll never wonder why educated, intelligent people tend to ignore /pol/ rather than address their endless torrent of bullshit. Fuck off.

I don't know if it happened or not, and I don't give a shit, but researching this topic is illegal in my country. There is one historian (Faurisson) who studied the question and he has been arrested and sued his whole life.

You see, even if I don't give a shit, I don't understand why studying (or discussing) the topic is illegal in many countries and can get you punished by law.

Are there other historical topics that can lead you to jail or have you fined ?

>>29008
This board so far is dreadful.

>>29018
Himmler in 1943
>I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' And then they turn up, the upstanding 80 million Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. They say the others are all swines, but this particular one is a splendid Jew. But none has observed it, endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when there are 500 or when there are 1,000. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person — with exceptions due to human weaknesses — has made us tough, and is a glorious chapter that has not and will not be spoken of. Because we know how difficult it would be for us if we still had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators and rabble-rousers in every city, what with the bombings, with the burden and with the hardships of the war. If the Jews were still part of the German nation, we would most likely arrive now at the state we were at in 1916/17.

>The hard decision had to be made that this people should be caused to disappear from earth…Perhaps, at a much later time, we can consider whether we should say something more about this to the German people. I myself believe that it is better for us – us together – to have borne this for our people, that we have taken the responsibility for it on ourselves (the responsibility for an act, not just for an idea), and that we should now take this secret with us to the grave.

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From the sticky:

/his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected. History can be examined from many different conflicting viewpoints; please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.

When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts.

So far most posters are completely dropping the ball when it comes to addressing the content of each other's posts and providing credible sources. If you cannot source something you shouldn't post it, and if you can't refute a point you should stay silent instead of insulting the other poster. We expect a higher level of discourse on this board, and if you cannot meet that standard, you should post elsewhere.

>>29107
>studying (or discussing) the topic is illegal in many countries
is it? I seriously doubt that

>>27497
>these claims are all false
>here are some other claims that you should believe because I said the other claims are false

>>29128
Based

what did we learn in 305 posts, lads?

>>27888
A great number of them asphyxiated in the trains during transportation.
http://www.deathcamps.org/belzec/gerstein.html

>>29008
>The victims of the Holocaust only died in death camps
And Stalin didn't du nuffin, forced work and concentration camps never killed anybody, why would you say that?!

>>29128
Thanks mod

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>>28991
It's an imageboard you brainwashed idiot it's what 4chan is for.
GO BACK TO R/4CHAN

>>29120
The BBC's Richard Dimbleby at Belsen
>Here over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people. You could not see which was which . . . The living lay with their heads against the corpses and around them moved the awful, ghostly procession of emaciated, aimless people, with nothing to do and with no hope of life, unable to move out of your way, unable to look at the terrible sights around them . . . Babies had been born here, tiny wizened things that could not live . . . A mother, driven mad, screamed at a British sentry to give her milk for her child, and thrust the tiny mite into his arms . . . He opened the bundle and found the baby had been dead for days. This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life.

>>29106
Again genetic fallacy
>moronic for asking for a refutation of holocaust denial
>educated, intelligent people don't bother refuting the holocaust's denial.

At least try to refute stuff, otherwise we can't have a discussion.

Remember their argument is not bullshit until you've made a compelling case for yours.

>>28792
>Why can't you read a book written by a proper historian
Because they've all been banned and the historian thrown in prison for writing it.

>>29128
Mod I love you

>>29135
In France at least it is. I have heard of an brit historian being jailed in Austria too. In France questioning holocaust is assimilable to antisemitism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/20/austria.thefarright

>>29158
He's talking about you too.

>>29179
Read the thread.

>>29179

Don't bother replying if you haven't looked up Gish Galloping. Your opinions are irrelevant.

You're also new as fuck if you think refuting stormfaggotry actually curtails it. They just pretend it never happened and start spamming the next thread with the same .jpgs.

>>29153
That sometimes 4chan threads can feel like a fever dream when you read them

>>29128
/pol/ BTFO

>waaah muh j00z

>>29106
>educated, intelligent people tend to ignore /pol/ rather than address their endless torrent of bullshit.
translations: people who agree with my propaganda are smart people who don't lap it up like good white guilt are dem evil stormfags!!

>>29128
based af

exactly what I'm saying.

Even if /pol/'s arguments are ill-sourced and false, it is your job to make sure the onlooker is properly aware of exactly why.

>its from /pol/
is a fallacious way of trying to do this.

refute shit.

>>29247
He's talking about you too.

>>29247
> History can be examined from many different conflicting viewpoints; please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.
leftists confirmed for illiterate

>>29247
good way to address the content of their posts instead of attacking their character

>>29226
I'm not trying to curtail stormfaggotry, I'm trying to see if the posters in this thread can give me as a reader of this thread any reason to not believe what those infographics say.

It is not self-evident
>>29012
>>28218
>>27800

This guy did it, not hurr durr /pol/, he simply made a convincing case for his opinions in light of some /pol/-infograph questions.

Will it stop that infograph being posted? no, but will it convince anyone who may have also been puzzled by the questions poised by the holocaust denier? Yes most probably.

You guys are really dreadful shitposters, at least try to provide an argument for whatever you believe, don't just resort to cop outs and fallacies lads.

>>29128
Define "credible source material". Because you can probably always question historical sources. History isn't exact science like physics and it has a lot of ideological silver lining and biases.

Good luck sorting all of this out without falling into censorship or bias. I really don't want "/pol/" to be the main counterargument/retort in discussions.

>>29106
>educated
That means less and less everyday.

>>29174
Rudolf Hoss, commander of Auschwitz in 1946
>I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total of about 3,000,000 dead. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries. Included among the executed and burnt were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously screened out of Prisoner of War cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht officers and men. The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000 German Jews, and great numbers of citizens (mostly Jewish) from Holland, France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other countries. We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944

>>29107
Yes it's very fishy that in many countries in Europe you can go to jail for just discussing it.
It's part of what fuels the skeptics and gives more credence to the fact that 6 million jews didn't actually die in the Holocaust.

>>29012
>>28218
>>27800
>>27217
18) Of the ones, off the top of my head the biggest historical truth that people had to be imprisoned (and worse!) to enforce was the notion that North Korea invaded the South.

Strangely, despite having slightly more plausibility, I've never met a holocaust denier who was eager to jump on THAT serious historical discussion.

19) No they're not. The Single serious academic holocaust denier was David Irving. I say was because David Irving is no longer a first rate scholar, even with the issue of Holocaust Denial aside.

Second, don't fucking use the term "holocaust revisionist" to refer to Holocaust Deniers. It steals credibility from good scholars, and slanders them. You sir, are no Christopher Browning.

I notice you use the weasel words "advanced degrees from the world's leading universities," avoiding the issue of what those degrees are in, and whether they are relevent. I'm getting tired, and not going to dig it up, but yes, people with advanced degrees have believed in flat earth theory before.

And either way, it's irrelevant. A plainly wrong claim that is held by people with advanced degrees is still plainly wrong. Otherwise you'd have to acknowldge that any claim I make cannot be plainly wrong.

20) This may surprise you, but some historical events are largely forgotten. I'm a specialist in the Nine-Years-War. Not that Nine-Years-War. The less well known Nine-Years-War. You remember that, don't you?

As for the question of why Civil War Historians haven't expressed similar concerns...

HAHAHA, are you not familiar with the huge shitstorm in Civil War journals these days?

21) Once again, making claims without making reference to sources. "Survivors", "Some eyewitnesses" Which eyewitnesses, and where? I've stayed up long enough on this. If there was an interest in legitimate historical inquiry, rather than obfuscation, it wouldn't constantly make me do the work to find what source it's decided to deliberately misrepresent.

>>27660
Shit you are a fucking giant retard. The problem with non airtight doors is the seepage of nerve gas killing everyone else at the camps. Meaning there likely wasn't any zyklon B used on people other than for delousing.

>>29384
Hoss again, shorty before his execution
>My conscience compels me to make the following declaration. In the solitude of my prison cell I have come to the bitter recognition that I have sinned gravely against humanity. As Commandant of Auschwitz I was responsible for carrying out part of the cruel plans of the 'Third Reich' for human destruction. In so doing I have inflicted terrible wounds on humanity. I caused unspeakable suffering for the Polish people in particular. I am to pay for this with my life. May the Lord God forgive one day what I have done.

>>29213
But you lied to me. You told me that it is illegal in France to study or discuss the holocaust. But that is obviously not the case, as evidenced by your own links.

>>29339
What about primary sources?

>>29384
>>29174
>>29120
>>29018
>>29005
>>28988
>>28971
And all the witness accounts?

>>29384
Yes we get it we have already read these massive paragraphs we just don't believe them to be factual at all.