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Post your favourite Wikipedia war tables.
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>>2710570
Someone pls post
>Soldiers of the habsburg monarchy
VS
>other Soldiers of the habsburb monarchy
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>>2710620
>all sources are either sandnigs themselves or a chronicler who hated the emperors at the time
>battles have got fantasy shit like the Sassanids and the byzantines working together (lol) and the byzantines wielding more men in a single battle than they had in the entire empire (lmao)
>the only loss they retcon it as them being outnumbered 30:1 when it was most likely a small skirmish and the arabs just got Byzantine'd
>arabs still expect me to believe a single word out of their lips

Reminder that muslims are by nature deceitful creatures
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>>2710585
What am i looking at?
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>>2710678
It looks like Romans fighting Arabs
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>>2710637
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>>2710737
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>>2710739
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>>2710746
The hell
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>>2710750
Landmines
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>>2710822
Where can I watch this movie?
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>>2710592
>>2710606
>>2710620
CHRISTKEKS BTFO
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Commies BTFO by Benis posters
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J U S T
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>>2711023
What the fuck happened?
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>>2710998
it's like Mount and Blade in real life
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>>2711063
The number is probably inflated desu, still, there's a good thread on leddit that talks about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3rcvgl/i_was_reading_about_the_battle_of_salsu_where_in/
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>>2711063
>sui crossing shallow river
>koreans opened a dam holding back the water
>cavalry charged in the mop up the rest
>big ass army had already exhausted their food supply
>even more die hauling ass out of korea
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>>2710976
remind me who controls karelia
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>>2711046
Wait what
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>>2711102
Just accept you got your ass wrecked, Ivan.
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>>2711140
wuts this
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>>2711121
That's adorable. I love the Dutch
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why does this always happen to Russians?

1/2
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>>2711222
2/2
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>lets get our ships together and be cool
>Water freezes, ships can't move
>Ohshit.painting
>WTF, the Hussars are riding out to capture our ships
>Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck
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>>2711102
the same country that had eternal breadlines and got btfo economically into submission the likes of which the human race had never experienced
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>>2711233
holy shit kek
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>>2711262
the only time in history a cavalry unit captured a navy
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>>2711117
the days following Hitlers suicide was a bit nuts
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>>2710739
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everybody knows that if you want to invade a nation, you just sail up to it's capital and ingore all of it's defensive installations
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>>2711074
>Wulf spent the first hour of the battle gathering all soldiers on a nearby summit, using his lone horse to pick off the advancing enemy officers
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>>2710739
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>>2711102
Not the Soviet Union
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>>2710570
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>>2710570
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>>2711327
KEK
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>>2710570
Does anyone have the Yom Kippur War one?
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>>2712297
>>2712297
too long
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>>2712297
I got you bro
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This one is sad desu
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>>2712343
This one's kinda BS desu. Hulagu himself claimed to have killed 200,000 people in Baghdad. Seeing as how prone to exaggeration medieval warlords were, the true number is likely somewhere south of that. How they got "he was actually understating his achievement by a factor of 2 to 10", I have no idea.
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>>2710570
I fuggin love irrelevant/bloodless war tables like pic related
>"The Turbot War (known in Spain as "Guerra del Fletán") was an international fishing dispute between Canada (supported by the United Kingdom and Ireland) and Spain (supported by the European Union and Iceland) in which Canada stopped a Spanish fishing trawler from Galicia in international waters and arrested its crew."
spaniards trying to get newfie fish, canada cucks spaniards and takes a boat for trophy
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>>2710570
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>>2712363
>Negotiations ceased on March 25, and the following day, Canadian ships cut the nets of the Spanish trawler Pescamero Uno. The Spanish Navy responded by deploying a second patrol boat. Canadian warships and patrol planes in the vicinity were authorized by Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien to fire on Spanish vessels that exposed their guns.
sounds like the prelude to war
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>*record scratch*
>*freeze frame*
>"so you're probably wondering how i got in this situation..."
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>>2710734
>Poland's God-ordained purpose is to remove worstslavs and turks
Fukken based
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>>2710570
I laught everytime i see it
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>>2712470
>when you truce-break no-cb an HRE member
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>>2713917
you mean jewish western empire
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>>2710570
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>>2713685
There's a movie here somewhere.
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>>2711294
*tips morion*
M'tercios
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Empel
(not cavalry though)
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>>2710639
>victors write history
Wew lad did you never go to school
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I like pulling this up when weebs go with the "superior nippon skill" meme
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>>2710734
>Niemen

Nice.
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>>2711046
Like a 60s war movie.
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>>2711140
>fragment of the destroyed Soviet column on the road

Beautiful. Fucking glorious.
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>>2711241
the Finns asked for a peace treaty in the end

if the USSR was as bad as anti-communists say they would've kept marching to Helsinki, which they easily could've, and probably should've, if only to shut up the bitter nationalist losers

and breadlines only became a thing in the 1980s
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>>2710570
The White Army and the Black Baron
Are preparing to restore to us the Tsar's throne,
But from the taiga to the British seas
The Red Army is the strongest of all
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>60 posts in
>nobody's posted it yet

You disappoint me, /his/
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>>2714605
Maybe because it isn't funny. It's beyond me why you idiots try to force this
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Operation Eland, from the Rhodesian Bush War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eland

Most one sided battle ever?
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>>2714624
t. oldfag from 2015
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>>2714737
t. oldfag from 2014
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>>2710976

>This is literally the only thing in the history of Finland that these Mongols have to be proud of
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>>2714761
what about Moomins?
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Does anyone have that one with 14 italian attempts against Autria Hungary in WWI?
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>>2714537
based portugal
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>>2711152
>Finnish independence retained
For a country like Finland with a population of only 3 million at the time, that's a victory in itself

Commies took way more casualties too
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>>2714774
Moomins are pretty cool.
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>>2711228
Second Battle of Kharkov the Russians lost more tanks than they had??
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>>2711082
>leddit
shut your mounth, AskHistorians is more credible than anything that has ever been posted on /his/
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>>2715017
the worst part is that you're not wrong
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>>2715017
>>2715112
I patiently wait ever day for the reddit meme to die and people to realize that both websites have their pros, cons, and cringy communities.
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>>2710739
what
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>>2714909
Remember kids, it's not skill if you only do it once.
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>>2714964
Probably Krauts bullshitting their kill claims as usual.
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>>2715017
>>2715112
>>2715413
t. reddit
Please get out or stop talking about it.
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>>2713685
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>>2714997
i always laugh at posts like these
balkans were turkish cumdupster for hundreds of years, you aren't a kebab remover you are a shit slavniggers that fought each other and got destroyed by turks because you refused to unite in a face of a real threat
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>>2715617
t. summer 2014 newfag
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>>2711121

They should rename that the scilly wars
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>>2714266

>5,000 hombres

Is this a meme?
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This is always good for a chuckle
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>>2710585
>Black flag

Was these the Rashidun? what's with early Arabs and the retarded/generic flags, one state even had a checkered flag.
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>>2710639
t. byzanshit
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>>2715839
How?
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>>2710739
Never trust a venetian
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>>2715759
>Yi Sun-sin
Not even fair.
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>>2715925
>have a general named Tomoyuki Yamashita
>Have an army of soldiers that would settle for strictly two options; death or victory
>have soldiers that are able to travel through jungles and forests that the british labeled impassable
>distribute bicycles to your soldiers so the lack of mechanization doesn't impede the invasion
>your soldiers are carrying type 38, type 99 rifles with receivers so strong that they can load in captured enemy different calibers so the lack of logistics doesn't impede invasion
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>>2715839
>ywn be a Jap soldier invading colonies of western powers
>ywn be forced to participate in banzai bayonet charges in the 20th century once your unit runs out of ammunition
>ywn scream Banzai at the top of your lungs after a bloody bayonet charge
>ywn push captured britbongs and burgers around and treat them roughly
>ywn be a man who has no fear of death and would willingly sacrifice life for nation and emperor
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>>2710750
Mines and friendly fire. IIRC one of the big landing ships hit a mine, which caused most of the losses.
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>>2711117
SS abandon a castle full of important french prisoners (including two PMs, several generals, various political leaders, and a tennis star) after the local they send on an errand runs off to the yanks and says "prisoners here pls liberate", yank rescue force sent but called off for going into another unit's line of advance, french send out another local who runs into some of the Austrian resistance who had some wehrmacht troops join up, ex-wehrmacht talk americans from the unit who's supposed to advance into coming to liberate the castle, french put an injured SS officer in charge, yanks show up with only a tank and some dudes (most are guarding a bridge needed to get the rest of the reinforcements to the castle), SS shows up again and attacks, yank reinforcements arrive, french tennis player runs past the SS positions to the castle to say the reinforcements arrived, SS mostly surrenders.

It's a beautiful clusterfuck.
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>>2711327
>be KMS Blücher
>get sunk by 19th century guns and a couple of the original torpedo
Not even joking, they were using OG Whiteheads from fixed tubes.
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>>2715925
Most of the British force was third-rate, and Yamashita was one of the best the Japs had.
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>>2711228
>>2711222
>sure we lost the war otto, but think of the k/d ratio!
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>>2716327
>lose war because you weren't suicidal and genocidal enough

weird
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>>2715839
Don't forget Yamashita's previous victory.
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Forgot to attach fucking pic.
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>>2713917
Nice eu4 meme
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You know, the Mongols really fucked China up
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>>2716327
>the only people who survived for the russians were potato faced retards that ran the country into the ground
really makes you think
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>>2711121
>scilly
Is this the chinese bootleg version of sicilly?
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Based
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>>2712470
CZECHOSLOVAKIA

JUST
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>>2716223
It's even better than that, the torpedos had been fired an average of 200 times during exercise the decades before the battle.
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>>2710737
This battle is probably made up though.
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>>2715112
Because reddit goes full autismo on shitposting and has no humor.
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>>2714964
Probably the Krauts bullshiting about their kills, and the Russkies lying as usual about their strength.
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>>2710744
Man, fuck hetman Radziwill.
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>>2711782
>mfw literally reverse Termopil, down to the going around the lines part.
Beautiful.
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>>2713685
Hahahahaha :)))
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>>2715720
>I don't understand that the internet isn't all English
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>>2718034
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia_in_the_Gulf_War
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>>2710639
>t.
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>>2710744
Where did the name The Deluge come from? I've always learned about it as Karl X Gustavs Polish War
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>>2711782
This is the Persian version of 300

why isn't it mroe known?
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>>2718868
Waves of enemies I guess. Wiki article called it a pyrrhic victory which is pretty much perfect because it was pretty much a disaster that probably contributed to the lousy 18th century in Poland. That and elective monarchy of course.
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>>2712345
The way we specify WWI battles is a bit confusing and this is something I noticed while digging through the newspaper archives. For example I could find nothing on the Battle of the Marne yet fights on the eastern front was called the biggest battle in human history. Today it's a couple battles. Somme remains one battle that was a couple months long.
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>>2718868
because at first no one resisted them (and invasion happened because it was encouraged by traitor who hated the king in first place) since Poland was politically in very fragile state (cossack uprising, attempts to centralize the country) and many nobles chosen to collaborate with Swedish invaders in order to dethronize the Vasa king that ruled over Poland
The situation was such am unfortunate shitstorm that the king had to proclaim a decree making every Swede and Protestant enemy of the state and made saint Madonna eternal queen of Poland in honour of a siege that slowly began to turn the tide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jasna_G%C3%B3ra
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>>2714774
Moomins are Swedish
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>>2718868
It caused more damage to Poland than WWII, proportionally
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>>2718272
Not just probably, it's pure horseshit invented by a humor magazine like 50 years after it supposedly happened. It is MEANT to sound funny and ridiculous.
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>>2719295
No way. WWII cost Poland half of its original territory, turned many cities to rubble (or less than rubble) and killed like 20% of its population (I don't remember the exact number but more than other countries). And of course Poland didn't regain its independence for like 50 years.
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>>2718280
Because reddit is a means of creating online communities rather than a community in itself and has actual moderation enforced by these communities rather than sitewide. Some are shitposting-only, some are carefully moderated and precisely targeted. Not a good place to go if you want to have conversations with the peanut gallery, but significantly more effective at producing high quality content (or click bait) dependent on how the boards are moderated.

t. Hasn't browsed reddit since 2011

Still been binge reading Ask historians recently due to the high quality informative posts
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Fucking Turks
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>>2710739
This wins the thread. If anyone can find me a more shenanigan-filled war I'll be amazed. Only thing that comes close is the battle of Castle Itter (which really should have a movie about it by now, come on film industry).
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>>2715648
I'm on my phone, someone please post the Italo-Abyssinian Wars.
>Italy invades Ethiopia with early WWI technology, including artillery and machine guns
>Gets absolutely thrashed by natives armed with rusty old muskets and sharpened fruit

>Italy invades again with early WWII technology, including hundreds of tanks and planes, flamethrowers and poison gas, etc
>Italy loses hundreds of thousands of soldiers; nearly half of their forces are wounded or killed
>Call it a victory anyway and blame their losses on the Red Cross
>Continue to ""accidentally"" bomb Red Cross medical facilities after the war

How and when did Italy become such a joke?
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>>2711337
Kek, that hits a bit close to home. But it can be pretty fun to eschew cavalry completely and fight in line with your Nordbros.
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>>2712317
This is tiny wtf 95 pixels across gtfo with that shit.
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>>2714909
>19000
>Negligible or none

Reading the whole thing only makes it more intense. And he fucking wrote a book which revolutionised travel to and from India in his downtime while all this was going on.
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>>2719362
in terms of cities destroyed it was bigger
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>>2717818
Ayoooo hol up!
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>>2719461
Mount and Blade has taught me to foolishly believe that archers and hills is literally all one needs to win wars.
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>>2719776
One of these was a long range ambush, one was a legitimate battle. Hardly a fair comparison.
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>>2712470
I'm low-key convinced that Iraq is the Saitama of nations, and merely pretends to be garbage.
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>>2711341
this is a really shitty greentext
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>>2715415
So the Pope wants there to be free North Italian cities. Venice wants to control North Italy and starts taking cities.
The Pope wants to stop this and assembles some Christians to do so. As Venice is pushed back, France also wants to take North Italy, doesn't release the cities they take from Venice.
The Pope is furious and needs someone who is good at taking North Italian cities and Venice says they're good at that and the Pope says okay.
As the French get blasted a bit, their King dies and the new King doesn't want to war in North Italy anymore. So, looking at options, he asks Venice if they'd be willing to split the land and Venice agrees.
Meanwhile the Pope is still angery.
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THAT'S MAMA LUIGI TO YOU, MARIO
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>>2710734
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that you're a Pole.
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>>2719916
>>2714886
Cheers
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>>2719916
they tried to decide once for all who has worst military in europe?
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>>2719937
what did Marek do to you anon, tell me
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>>2719937
im belarussian, we were real historical lithuanians and polish heritage is also ours
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>>2719443
>>Gets absolutely thrashed by natives armed with rusty old muskets and sharpened fruit
you mean TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MOIST NUGGETS
they were armed by the russians
and then murdered the italians because having trained troops is nice but having 60 thousand guys with nuggets is better
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The Hussite wars are so overlooked
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>>2720195
>yo Hus, we gave this problem with 2 two anti-popes in addition to our regular pope, I know we've treated you as a heretic so far, but you wanna come to a council and help us sort this out?
>Hus comes
>is tired for heresy and burnt in a fire
The madman
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>>2720066
The ethiopians received weapon aid from russia, but not the Mosin–Nagant. The ethiopians received 30 000 single shot Berdan rifle. The Mosin–Nagant was too new to ship off as aid.
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>>2714266
>painted in 2015

Wow they still paint this way? That's pretty cool.
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>>2721399
>Another episode of wikipedia shit that I can't be arsed to take seriously, let alone believe
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>>2720066
>Implying anyone has ever given a bunch of niggers tens of thousands of fresh off the presses absolute cutting edge firearms FOR FREE
They got trash that was trash even back when it was good. It was Italian incompetence, not Russian weaponry, that broke the Italian invasion of Ethiopia.
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>>2721414
I can definitely believe it, the insurgents weren't known for being very competent.
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>>2715759
Yi-Sun Sin's tactical and strategic genius in his choice for the battle's location aside, the Korean warships were much better than the Japanese.

They had a lot more cannon, and variety of cannon, too. Whereas the Japanese Atakebune and Sekibune might have a few cannon, the Korean Panokseon had a whole assortment of cannon from large guns that fired huge arrows and shot, to smaller close in guns and even the equivalent of swivel guns.

Meanwhile, for the Japanese, their idea of naval warfare was still "board the ship and kill them honoroborury". Cannons were a distraction. They knew that the Koreans had way better ships than them, which is why essentially needed to Zergrush the Koreans with Sekibune. But sekibune are far less armored and have less teeth than the Iron armored Atakebune, so they were easily shot to pieces. The majority of the Jap fleet, and therefore losses, were Sekibune. And the armor on the Atakebune didn't really help it much against the Panokseon's larger armament, and it was much less sturdily constructed than it's Korean opponent.

Since he had chokepointed them with the strait, they were unable to flank or encircle Yi's fleet, so his ships could just play whackamole with the Japanese ships that popped up. The few Jap ships that did manage to get into boarding range were repulsed by small arms fire before boarding. Absolutely pathetic.

So basically Yi baited the Japs into a trap where he could cut down the Japanese fleet at a reasonable pace without being overwhelmed and saved Korea. The Japanese fell for it because they were cocky after recently ALMOST DESTROYING the Korean fleet at Chilcheolyang. But they only won that via trickery (that Yi correctly predicted) and the fact that political infighting bullshit (They were mad that Yi didn't want to send the navy into an obvious trap) had lead to Admiral Yi Sun-sin being demoted and replaced with a fucking retard (who walked right into said trap and got near everyone killed).
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>>2721514
Oh and keep in mind, my nigga Yi Sun-Sin didn't even have turtle boats here.
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>>2721414
why not? the wikipedia states that the rhodies basically set up an elaborate ruse and caught the ZANLA guerrilas with their pants down in the middle of their own camp.
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>>2721455
>>2721535

t. thank rambo is real
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>>2721543
it does seem to have a proper citation in the wiki article. do you have anything that disproves it?
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>>2721399
assuming you go with the smaller casualty figure on the other side, that's like 257 casualties inflicted per Rhodesian.
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>>2721551
so were the selous scouts that good, or were the ZANU just that bad, or both
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>>2721550
There are ancient hellenic sources and historians who said that the Persian army at Thermopalye numbered more than 1,000,000, do you have anything to disprove it?
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>>2721552
>or a bunch of Rhodesians walked up and said they each shot 257 niggers and no one questions them for exaggeration
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>>2721555
uh oh, I just checked again, they said that there were 2,500,000 Persians. Well, that's a citation. We can't disprove it I guess.
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>>2721555
>>2721559
>>2721562
mugabe pls stop shitposting and go back to forgetting your speeches.
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>>2721577
>The epitome of the response I expected
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>>2710976

god the soviets were shit at war
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>>2721582
please disprove the wiki article by posting proof to the contrary.
oh wait, you can't, because the ZANU really were a bunch of incompetent monkeys outplayed by a bunch of tennis shorts wearing white people and ex-insurgents.
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>>2721586
They were monkeys, but I'll never believe rambo shit where 81 dudes kill thousands and lose 4 of their own, sorry bud. Also 2,500,000 persians didn't hit 300 spartans at Thermopylae. Hope I didn't burst your bubble yet.
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>>2712470
Planned all along m8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

>A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (commonly known as the "Clean Break" report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.[1] The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values." It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of "weapons of mass destruction".

Israel played everyone.
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What did they mean by this?
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>>2718272
>>2719335
That kind of shit did happen though.

The fucking retards getting drunk off their asses and assaulting Munster during the Anabaptist rebellion did the same shit.
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>>2721584
Yeah but they become god tier really fast.

Comparing 1941 red army to 1943+ is impressive as fuck.
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>>2721662
>they became competent tier while still wasting manpower through hasty maneuvers fast

ftfy
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>>2721597
My dude. The Rhodesians had fucking air support. Big difference
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>>2721598
How exactly did Israel force Iraq into invading Kuwait at the behest of literally everyone?
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>>2714620
>20.000 civilians killed
How do they keep getting in the crossfire in theese types of conflicts?
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>>2720324
He came because he thought he was under protection of king Sigismund. And he was. Sadly the fanatical doings of holy father's at the council was the real problem. As they took Huss teachings out of context and his was stupid enough to accept this. And lastly, Sigismund as he was "just the king" couldn't do anything about him being executed. After all, religion heads had last say at the council. (Sry for my English)
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>>2721662

maybe because the bar was set so low to begin with
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>>2721698
Holy shit, autocorrect is fucking thinks up..
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>>2721680
Artillery is a helluva drug
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>>2721622
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>>2721575
That's fucking hilarious
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>>2721882
>are we gonna use this for bar fights?
>if they're notable I don't see why not
Lel
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>>2710739
This looks like a log from medieval total war
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>>2722478
>Baguettes got lynched for putting up white flags once the krauts showed up
>Polacks get nothing for it

Is it because everyone is too grown up to blame the slavs for it? It's their normal behavior, after all.
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>>2723299
more french died fighting for nazis than for their own country
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>>2710998
what the fuck
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>>2711063
China.
They are to war what Russia is to hostage rescues.
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>>2711102
Assblasted vatnik detected.
F-35 >>>> Su-50 :3
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>>2712470
POOR LITTLE WHITE GUY
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>>2714964
Reinforcements.
Russian tanks were shite and broke down all the time too.
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>>2723361
should get source on that claim. Cause I know that to be untrue.
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>>2721597
>Lose 4 of their own
Injure 4 of their own.
ZANLA were notoriously awful at fighting, I'm really not surprised that they lost that many.
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>>2723774
>tfw too smart to believe in modern propaganda/exaggerations and realise that Rambo was just a movie
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>>2723804
>tfw too commie to believe that a bunch of barely organized illiterate africans vs special forces + air power wouldn't suffer staggering casualties
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>>2714997
t. croat
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>>2723886
>I'll just call him a commie and win the argument
>if he responds again I'll attach an anime picture/gif, that'll show him!!!!
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>>2710570
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>>2723901
I'm implying you're actually a member of ZANLA who spent graham's number of zimbabbux on a computer to post on /his/ with.
>Implying I'm a weeb
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>>2723361
>there was a poleshit butthurt enough to make this image
Also, that claim is bullshit
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the jews of africa
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>>2710734
Kircholm was such a stupid fuck up
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>>2724037
every polish-swedish war was fuck up
vasa empires should have been bros and cuck russia together
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God willed it
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>>2724077
jesu Česi Božji bojovnici?
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>>2710737

LE FUCKIN' L
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>>2712341

>For other forms of foregin support, click here

Jesus fuck

Why not just let the retards whap each other with sticks?
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>>2714997
>he says, whilst allying with jihadists to kill Christian Serbs
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>Portugal
vs
>USA
>USSR
>China

Portugal manages to win 2/3 and tie the other one.
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>>2710639

>Byzantines and Sassanids fight a gigantic war for 20 years and completely exhaust their manpower and resources
>20 fucking years of non-stop war
>an entire generation has grown up knowing nothing but war, if you were a Byzantine or Sassanid farmgirl you most likely lost your father, almost all of your brothers, and uncles
>war ends and Heraclius goes crazy due to the stress shortly afterwards and appoints his family as generals and garrison commanders
>Muzzies decide to invade at coincidentally the perfect moment
>Muslims fucking annihiliate the Sassanids and beat the Byzantines pretty bad due to pretty good light cavalry tactics, knowledge of the desert, religious fanaticism, and fresh troops,
>afterwards the Muslims act like 10 year old braggarts and say the Byzantines outnumbered them 10 to 1, you swer on yer mum and also Heraclius was secretly a Muslim who recognized Muhammad (PBUH) as Allah's messenger and tried to convert the Byzantine nobility to Islam afterwards and you know this because your dad worked at the Emperor's court
>Byzantines quickly get their shit together in 20 years or so and stop the Muslims in their tracks
>Muslims try for almost 800 years to take Constantinople but constantly fail and get rekt both by sea and on land the whole time until the Latins castrate the Byzantines for you

The initial Muslims conquests succeeded solely due to their good timing. If they chose to invade 20 years earlier, Islam never would have left Arabia.
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>>2724643
t. byzanshit christkek
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>>2724686

It's okay Mehmet. You wuz romans.
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>>2718453
Don't be pissy
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>>2724643
>excuses

btfo wannabe romans.
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>>2724643
>Byzantines outnumbered them 10 to 1

it's actually historically established that the romans had a pretty good advantage on the muslims

but i guess /pol/ and r/trump knows more about history than actual historians
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>>2724793

Nice sources you got there.

If there was a numerical advantage, it wasn't by much. The Byzantines never fielded more than 20,000-50,000 during the war with the Sassanids in a single battle, and Muslim historians themselves estimate their forces at 24,000-40,000 soldiers.
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>>2724843
>literally outnumbered 6 to 1
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>>2724895
>trusting a bong source
>Ever
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>>2724906
>I don't actually have an argument so I'll make some baseless attack on the source
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>>2724920
>my argument is a bong source
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why do the most lulzy battles involve the Dutch one way or another 9 out of 10 times
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>>2725810
dude weed
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>>2714455
FUCK you
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>>2714455
>ignore the two battles afterwards
>ignore the best years of my life, the gallic genocide by Based Gaius Julius
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>>2714455
>>
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>>2719362
The deluge cost Poland 1/3 of its population.

Also Swedish invaders pretty much stole everything that wasn't nailed to the ground. And if it was nailed to the ground they burnt it.
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>>2718602
Serbian "Empire"
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>>2726190
>swedes behaved like niggers

no wonder they let their somali brothers in
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>700.000 fucking casualties
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>>2724643
>"H-HISTORY IS UNFAIR"
>"H-HOW DARE THEY GRAB AN OPPORTUNITY"
>"FIGHT US ONE ON ONE MATE"
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>>2719436
this comes pretty close
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>>2727062

>anon states facts
>someone else gets butthurt and replies with greentext strawmen

standard /his/
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>>2726936
for some reasone "carstvo" is translated as empire into english, that's not really correct.
Yes it comes from *cěsarjь and latin caesar but it's equivalent to the king.
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>>2710570
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Whos gonna win?
30k Lithuanian warriors or 30 Livonian knights + 500 Curonian warriors

Thats right the 500 Curonians + 30 knights

https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embut%C4%97s_m%C5%AB%C5%A1is
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>>2728095
>If I post the same frog images over and over again and repeat kek/sides, it's funny
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>>2728110
mad
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>>2728137
I'm not mad, I'm saying that your image is unfunny and the 4chan equivalent of a le rage face comic
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>>2728110
muricans have no history so they have to make it up with memes
although i would prefer if they would keep posting these cringy memes at their containment board
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>>2728226
I'm an American. Our history is the best, he's just unfunny.
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>>2728234
>barely existed for 2 centuries
>our history is the best

Gtfo you landless, root-less unwanted swine. Your people are soulless scum with no history or backgrounds, just people that colonised and live off the land.
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>>2716327
Kinda makes you feel bad about Russians they are canon folder for who ever wills them
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>>2728242
>Landless
3.797 million mi2
>Root less
America is my root
>Unwanted
Good thing we have an ocean between us then. Nobody wants yuropoors anyways.
>No history
>Implying
Anyways, America is so great, we don't need to look to the past to feel better about ourselves.
>No backgrounds
America is our background.
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>>2728257
*Mi^2
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>>2728095
>>2728066
>>>/pol/
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>>2728257
>3.797 mill Mi^2

Doesn't belong to you, you went over, smeared it with shit, and planted a flag on it, a bunch of landless rejects and root-less herds of vague people.

>America is my root

= rootless

>ocean

Yeah, the ocean is a blessing, imagine how shit-smeared Europe would be if Americans only needed a car ride to get to our countries

>America is so great

t. 500 ibs burgershit riding around a scooter at walmart waving a little american flag screaming autistic, unintelligible words (American accent), you can barely hear "Trump" and "ameriga is graeyt" and "guns" between his grunts and screams.

>america is our background

= no background. It's just a land your shitty ancestors immigrated too and shit on years ago, you don't have heritage or background, you are unfranchised and don't belong in your land and don't have a root in it.
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>>2728282
>Doesn't belong to you
Yeah sure.
You seem a bit bothered and irrational.
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>>2728282
Why do yuros call us the hurritagefags when they shit out MUHHHHHHH HERRRITTTAGGEEE abominations like this?

If anyone's obsessed with worthless heritage, it's yuroscum. Americans don't give a fuck unless it's st paddy's day or something.
>>
Euros are like fat people who know somebody who lost weight. They get irrationally angry and foam at the mouth because they're jealous that somebody managed to lose weight, or in this case, escape Europe.
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>>2728421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaXthat8oy8

>American
>Trying his shot at fat-shaming someone else

????
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>>2728441
>Not living in a state with minimal fat people
>Implying all Americans are fat
Taking care of yourself is easy. I can fat shame all I want.
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>>2714537
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>>2726940
need mo money fo them wars
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shameful display
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>>2724643
>exhaust
>Implying there weren't hardened by The war
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>>2710570
Bolivia still wants that ocean
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>>2712363
>if you kill your enemies they win
Fuggg.
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>>2715664
The fighting between Slavs didnt really start until western powers started meddling in the beginning of the 20th century.

For example, Bosnians and Croats were fighting with Serbs in Kosovo in 1389. Serbia,Bulgaria and Montenegro teamed up to kick turks out of Europe for good in 1912.

And they weren't "cumdumpsters" for turks any longer than, lets say England was for Romans or Normans, and certainly not as long as the Moors were in Spain.

As for the remove meme, most of heavy lifting was done by Russia on that front, but the balkans pact did remove Turks from Europe forever, and the only time any Muslim emperors/leaders died in battle was against southern slavs in the Balkans, so take that for what its worth.
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>>2710737
>they literally decimated themselves
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>>2721606
Original requests by NATO were for slobo to leave all the heavy weapons and armoured vehicles in Kosovo, while also accepting a referendum on Kosovo independence 2 years later. Kumanovo agreement and passing of UN 1244 was pretty good in comparison.

Also, while yugoslav airforce was BTFO, the ground troops in Kosovo suffered relatively little damage, which is also why NATO resorted to bombing civilian infrastructure, like TV stations, power plants, bridges, trains itd...
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>>2710976
Losing a battle with 50% casualties when you have a 5-to-1 numerical advantage really isn't that bad compared to some of the battles here.
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>>2711121
>The truth of this war ever existing is disputed. It is said to have been extended by the lack of a peace treaty for 335 years without a single shot being fired, which would make it one of the world's longest wars and a bloodless war. Despite the uncertain validity of the declaration of war, and thus uncertainty about whether or not a state of war ever actually existed in the first place, peace was finally declared in 1986, bringing an end to any hypothetical war that may have been legally considered to exist.
TOP KEK
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>>2714537
>Carrack vs some shitty Japanese transport ships
>Still lose
?
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>>2735563
Are you some sort of braindead retard who thinks he knows history because he plays paradox games or why would you make a post like this?
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>>2735574
Im saying you're a retard if you think if you the Portuguese did anything impressive that battle
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>>2716210
sounds like a comedy sketch
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>>2735563
IIRC Nossa Senhora da graça was basically a kamikaze attack AGAINST the Japanese. They burned their own carrack so that the 3000 Japanese would not capture and torture them. It was a missionary ship, not a military one. It probably had cannons, but it had priests as opposed to soldiers.

It earned the Portuguese some respect by some factions of Japan at the time.
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>>2735992
Meaning that despite being an impressive personal feat on it's own, and a great display of honour, it's hardly an instance of military prowess.
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>>2711121
so it's kinda like how, Russia and Japan are still at war.
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154th Anniversary of the Battle of Camarón / Bataille de Camerone

F
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>>2714556
Let me guess, this picture triggers you?
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