>You have to turn Thucydides over, line for line, and read his ulterior motives as clearly as his words: there are few thinkers with so many ulterior motives
What did he mean by this?
original:
>Man muss ihn Zeile für Zeile umwenden und seine Hintergedanken so deutlich ablesen wie seine Worte: es giebt wenige so hintergedankenreiche Denker.
Is 'ulterior' correct for 'hintergedankenreiche'? Older translations didn't imply anything secretive, deceptive, or biased; they were just variations of 'thoughtful'.
veve
>>2709794
He is giving you practical advise in this quote, it's not a philosophical musing. Thucydides really layered his writing with a subpolitical theme. Remember he is essentially narrating the fall of the delian league as an athenian. There were opinions he had about the war he couldn't not openly say. Remember he was even ostracised for 10years in the very middle of it.
>>2709989
>Thucydides really layered his writing with a subpolitical theme
>There were opinions he had about the war he couldn't not openly say
Prove it.
>>2709794
ulterior motives has negative connotations,hintergedanke is meant to be a neutral word
it doesnt really have an english equivalent but it basically means a thought that is not mentioned
>>2710451
A motive is not the same thing as a thought though. And this is one of the latest, academic translations, so I don't think they just made a careless mistake.
Maybe it's what the other guy said, that the author wants to express something blasphemous about his own city-state.
>>2709794
"Insofar as history stands in the service of life, it stands in the service of an unhistorical power and will therefore, in this subordinate position, never be able to (and should never be able to) become pure science, the way mathematics is, for example. However, the problem to what degree living generally requires the services of history is one of the most important questions and concerns with respect to the health of a human being, a people, or a culture. " -On the Use and Abuse of History for Life
Thucydides motives are hard to understand while faucoult is an obvious pedo
>>2710632
underrated post