Why did Europeans never develop written language?

They have this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B

>>2709244
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Norse#Texts

>>2709272
Scandinavian wasn't even considered part of Europe you pleb.

>>2709258

Not a language.

writing is inherently Semitic in nature

Yawhe created the universe with the Word
Jesus/Yoshua is called Logos

>>2709272
> old Norse

You may as well just say English. They stole written language from elsewhere.

>>2709282
>English stole the letters from Rome
>Rome stole the letters from Greece
>Greece stole the letters from the Phoenicians

>>2709244
But they did
What do you think English is?
What do you think Latin is?

>>2709292

Correct. Writen language was only developed independently at most four times, in Sumer, China, Egypt, and Central America.

>>2709366
Minoans had one but it was lost.

>>2709348
>What do you think English is?
>What do you think Latin is?

Languages that trace their lineage outside Europe.

>>2709348
He means why Europe never developed a unique written language, rather than adapt one from what is now the Middle East. The answer is the Europe was a "late developer" that benefited from technological advances in Asia and North Africa, just as Asia and Africa would later benefit from technological advances from Europe thousands of years later.

>>2709372
Wrong.

>>2709372
wrong

>>2709371
>Minoans had one

Not a true language representing words and arbitrary ideas, just an accounting system.

>>2709372

>Reading science fiction novels and thinking they are correct

m8 come back to reality.

>>2709391
Completely wrong.

>>2709377
>>2709380
>>2709395

Latin was ultimately derived from Phoenician.

>>2709406
Not the language. Perhaps the alphabet.

>>2709406
More importantly, the Greek alphabet is a unique creation.

>B-but Phoenician
Is an Abjad. Greek is an alphabet, and the first one. It is a unique creation, not a copy or a ripoff.

And Linear A and B, OP.

>>2709244
Not sure if it counts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham

>>2709409
>Perhaps the alphabet.

So the written part...

>>2709449

Ya that's not good that works, using an alphabet from a different culture is not the same as written language.

If I make up a language out if thin air but use the English alphabet, I still created my own written language.

>>2709532

You seem to have some trouble with written language yourself.

>>2709532

If you used an alphabet from a different culture, obviously you didn't develop writing on your own.

>>2709366
You forgot Indus civilization you pathetic retard

>>2709244
But the Greeks were Europeans

>>2709412

Greek is from Phoenician as well.

>>2709572
Who?

>>2709366
That's flat-out untrue. Several culture groups/civilizations developed writing systems unrelated to the ones you're alluding to; a couple of the more well-known ones have been named already. Of course, there's no way to PROVE they weren't inspired or influenced by the four you're referencing, but there's no evidence that they were.

>>2709406
your a dorable

>>2709366
Polynesians invented Rongorongo but otherwise correct.

>>2709852

*you're

>>2709635
Which ones?

>>2709852

Honey, if you can't even spell "You're adorable.", then no one is going to believe you are an etymology expert on a Mongolian knitting board.

>>2709275
It is a language, and to be fair mycenean was already being influenced by other languages so it's not 100% pure european. It's linear A which is much older and minoan, but it's still undecypherable as of today.

hol up

People actually think diffrent written languages can't use the same characters while still being separate? Do these retards think Pinyin is English?

>>2710227

Unless I have misunderstood OP's question is whether Europe ever developed an entirely non-derivative written language, it would be a very strange coincidence if the same characters were being used in two written languages that didn't share, at some point, the same foundation.

>>2709282
>stole
wew

>>2710287

>wew

Wew.

>>2709244
In truth practically no one has invented their own written language. Most folks follow a chain back to one of a hand-full of examples. English for example took its from Latin who took its from Etruscan who took theirs from Greek who took theirs from the Phoenicians. A similar chain exists for just about every writing system on the planet. Pretty much only the Sumerians, the Chinese, the Egyptians, and the Meso-Americans ever came up with writing from scratch.

>>2709391
Are you retarded?

Linear A conveyed a written laguage, it was a syllabary just like Linear B, only it was not deciphred, they also had hieroglyphs.

>>2710800
This, but the Indus valley script might also be an example of independent evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessian_language#Writing

>>2710974
>might

Is certainly is writing.


Rongo rongo and Neolithic Eastern Europe tablets might also be a form of writing.


>>2710978
Derived clearly from Phoenician like the other Iberian Alphabet

>>2710800
This. Some of the writing chains are truly epic, too.

>yfw Mongolian script is ultimately derived from Phoencian

>>2709258
Pheonician influence

>>2713199
>>2710988
>>2709292
>>2709406
>>2709412
>>270959
Phoenician letters were also derived from Egyptian which were derived from Sumerian.

>>2713199
"No", Linear B isn't even an alphabet and it predates Phoenician by almost 500 years

>>2709273
Herod considers it part of Europe.

>>2709277
So the Indians and the Chinese are semitic?

>>2709560
Well this isn't about writing is it? It's about a written language.

>>2713289
You mean Herodotus?

He wasn't even aware of its existence

How do we know Europeans didn't develop written language before switching to Phoenician characters?

>>2713316
Greeks did but forgot how to, some Europeans had a ponderal System (Sicels and Sardinians) in The bronze age

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>>2709244
like ummmm try again sweetie.

>>2709244
so the language we are using right now to communicate through writing is not a european language?

>>2709277
The greeks and minoans had a writing system before the classical greek alphabet was adopted

>>2713747
Minoa was a pre-Indo-European Near Eastern civilization

>>2713774
how about you make your mind up on what "europe" is before you make your moronic thread asking your moronic question then?

>>2713774
Myceneans were indieuripean, Minoans were proto Europeans

>>2713491

Derived from Phoenician

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Futhark

Besides, which those are from the Medieval time period, what on Earth possessed you to even post them as some kind of 'point'?

>>2713791
So what? They still developed it, regardless of where it derived from.

>>2714054

Well no, they didn't.

>>2714054

Obviously that's not the point of the thread. There are multiple written European languages today and Latin far predates those Norse runes so clearly no one would ask whether Europeans obtained written language at some point. The point is whether Europeans ever developed written language from scratch for themselves rather than it being derivative.

>>2713225
The OP's question still stands.

>>2713293
Absolutely. Praise YHWH nigga.

>>2714112
Linear A was developed indipendently.

>>2709244
there have only been two or three independent inventions of writing in history.
1. Mesoamerica
2. Mesopotamia (relationship between hieroglyphs and cuneiform unclear)
3. Ancient China (disputed)

t. linguistics student who is currently writing a paper about this

>>2715032
False.
0???Neolithic Balkans
1)Mesopotamia
2)Egypt
3)Indus valley civilization
4)Minoan Crete
5)China
6)Central America
7??? Rongo rongo in Easter island

there were no big enough civilizations there and climate was shit back then

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>>2715058
Not sure if this is one too. It's from Colombia.

>>2715032
>3. Ancient China (disputed)
Is there any connection between the Anau seal and Oracle bones or is this Eurocentric revisionism?

http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp124_anau_niya_seals.pdf

>>2715058
>Neoithic Balkans
source? couldn't find anything

>1,2,&3
inspired from the same origin

>4
you're thinking of the first alphabet, not writing system

>5&6
that's what i said...

>7
almost certainly inspired by writing of european explorers

>>2715380
You're a complete ignoramus sorry but thats to much for me, lurk more faggot

>>2709244
because they didn't need to
they preferred to remember anything as opposed to dulling their brain with writing
european tradition has been passed through the generations orally and with poems

>>2715380
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols

>>2715388
>writing is for faggots
>viking pride hurr durr
Kill yourself Crishnack.

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>>2715393
this script was, at best, a proto-writing: it is not certain whether it encodes language.

we have to remember that it is possible to make marks which carry meaning, but do not constitute a writing system, in that they do not systematically and comprehensively transcribe speech.

Consider how a bear scratches a tree to mark its territory, or the many paintings left on cave walls by neolithic man.

In contrast, pic related (Akkadian cuneiform)

>>2709422
Notice how now one has replied to your post?
That's because it does count. That answers OPs bait question with a resounding "they did".

It honestly blows my mind that there was a time when writing didn't exist. It feels as normal to me as speaking and breathing, yet for thousands of years no human on earth had read or written anything. And the sort of bronze age geniuses who perfected the concept, forever lost to history.

>>2709244

Because it was easier to simply adopt existing written alphabets. The Near East spent endless autism points to achieve this in the first place, and look where they have ended up now.

>>2709273
It is now, moron. They're european genetically speaking as well.

>>2709244
They did they probably just replaced it with a more efficient language than whatever they came up with.

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>>2709377

>>2715380
>inspired from the same origin


Absolutely false, Egyptian hieroglyphs, Sumerian cuneiform and Indus valley script are completely different and developed indipendently from one another

>you're thinking of the first alphabet, not writing system

At least use wikipedia, Linear A isn't an alphabet, but a syllabic/ideographic script

>inspired by europeans eplorers

False, the earliest tablets have been carbon dated to 1200-1300 AD, so long before the first explorers arrived in the island, though I put the question marks because it's not sure whether it conveyed a langauge or was just a proto writing system

>>2715394
"You don't write something down to remember, but so you don't need to."
-Some irrelevant Mayan
Cultures viewed it as a weakening of the mind.

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>>2713293
No, it's because the Chinese also received the Word of God.

Pic related.

>>2715032
This is the kind of people Academia is receiving nowadays.

>>2715855
Is this a joke? Writing was used far more than just record keeping.

>>2709244
dumb whitey can't do shit without relying on superior PoC

This thread gave me cancer. Some people on here can't even tell the difference between languages and scripts.

>>2713342
The Cypriot syllabary which seems to descend from that family of scripts continued to be used to write Greek.

>>2717611
Not an argument.

>>2717621
What he said isn't untrue though, some ancient cultures did often look down on writing viewing it as an inferior substitute to memorization.

>>2717734
Doesn't make it true though. Plato was retarded in thinking writing harms the mind.

>>2717722
Greek but also Eteocypriot

>>2717726
No, but this is>>2715846

>>2717982
>eurocucks still didn't develop any language
How am I not surprised?

>>2718122
Linear A was developed by Europeans

>>2717621
I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it is how many cultures viewed it.

>>2718137
As was linear B

>>2718336
Linear A comes before and influenced Linear B, this threadis about writing being developed indipendently and Linear A was