The Empire was a mistake

>>2708837
No, you were a mistake.

>>2708837
You're right. It was a mistake.

>>2708837
Europe would be a much nicer place without germania in general.

>>2708837
t. Brutus

>>2711101
>without germania
>europe
I think you mean Greater France.

>people depict the gothic sack of Rome as some sort of apocalyptic event where naked screaming barbarians went around looking and raping and destroying Roman monuments
>in real life the Goths were a bunch of autistic Romeaboos who left after pinching a small amount of gold
Why is this

>>2711795
> At the Battle of the Frigidus, around half the Visigoths present died fighting the Western Roman army led by the usurper Eugenius and his general Arbogast.[14] Theodosius won the battle, and although Alaric was given the title comes for his bravery, tensions between the Goths and Romans grew as it seemed the Roman generals had sought to weaken the Goths by making them bear the brunt of the fighting. Alaric was also enraged he had not been granted a higher office in the Imperial administration.[15]

>Jovius was a friend of Alaric's and had been a supporter of Stilicho, and thus the new government was open to negotiations.[65] Alaric went to Ariminum to meet Jovius and offer his demands. Alaric wanted yearly tribute in gold and grain, and lands in the provinces of Dalmatia, Noricum, and Venetia for his people.[65] Jovius also wrote privately to Honorius, suggesting that if Alaric was offered the position of magister utriusque militae, they could lessen Alaric's other demands. Honorius rejected the demand for a Roman office, and he sent an insulting letter to Alaric, which was read out in the negotiations.[68][69]

>Infuriated, Alaric broke off negotiations, and Jovius returned to Ravenna to strengthen his relationship with the Emperor. Honorius was now firmly committed to war, and Jovius swore on the Emperor's head to never to make peace with Alaric. Alaric himself soon changed his mind when he heard Honorius was attempting to recruit 10,000 Huns to fight the Goths.[65][70] He gathered a group of Roman bishops and sent them to Honorius with his new terms. He no longer sought Roman office or tribute in gold. He now only requested lands in Noricum and as much grain as the Emperor found necessary.[65] Historian Olympiodorus the Younger, writing many years later, considered these terms extremely moderate and reasonable.[69] But it was too late: Honorius' government, bound by oath and intent on war, rejected the offer. Alaric then marched on Rome.[65]

>>2712784
[later]

>Honorius arranged for a meeting with Alaric about 12 kilometers outside of Ravenna. As Alaric waited at the meeting place, Sarus, who was a sworn enemy of Ataulf and now allied to Honorius, attacked Alaric and his men with a small Roman force.[74][75] Alaric survived the attack and, outraged at this treachery and frustrated by all the past failures at accommodation, gave up on negotiating with Honorius and headed back to Rome, which he besieged for the third and final time.[76]

Why were the Romans so mean?

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thats not the only thing coming lol

>In 408, Western Emperor Flavius Honorius ordered the execution of [half-Vandal Roman general] Stilicho and his family, amid rumours that the general had made a deal with Alaric. Honorius then incited the Roman population to massacre tens of thousands of wives and children of Goths serving in the Roman military. Subsequently, around 30,000 Gothic soldiers defected to Alaric, and joined his march on Rome to avenge their murdered families.[3]

What was his endgame?

>>2712812
To crash this throne.

>>2712812
>Honorius then incited the Roman population to massacre tens of thousands of wives and children of Goths
beautiful