What exactly about slavery is inherently wrong?

>>2705721
There's nothing inherent wrong when there's nothing inherently right.

If you have a basis for what is considered right, then we can point out what could be wrong with it. Otherwise, in a blanket vaccum, all you're doing is begging the question.

>>2705721
Nothing.

Do you want the edgy reasoning behind that answer or the still-edgy-but-less-provocative reasoning?

>>2705721
Nothing at all is wrong about it. There is no objective basis for morality.

>>2705839
Subjectively suffering is undesirable.

>>2705852
Some of those slaves undoubtedly suffered way less then your modern day wage slave.

>>2705856
No one is forced to take a wage, slaves didn't have homeless shelters and welfare as an option.

>>2705721
It causes suffering to sentient beings.
It dehumanizes humans.

>>2705721
Humans require too much resources to keep alive, you can only have slaves if you are rich.

>>2705856
Are you trying to be edgy, or are you actually retarded?

>>2705860
>No one is forced to take a wage
if you don't take a wage you die

>>2705868
Homeless shelters, welfare and Alaskan camping.

>>2705867
Not him but you're an idiot if you think every slave is the exact same.

Most "teachers" in Rome were actually slaves. They were Greek scholars shipped over and "forced" to educate the nobles and stuff. For that, they got to live in relatively comfy lodgings and had their food and whatnot provided to them. That is objectively a better life than living in some crack den and working at Speedway 40 hours a week.

Similarly, many of the most prized possessions in a Sultan's harem were treated like royalty because, for all intents and purposes, they were. It was no different than just being a trophy wife. Again, if you were like the top 1% of the pick.

Not every form of slavery is toiling away in a copper mine until your back breaks, or picking cotton at the end of a whip.

>>2705877
Obviously it's true that there were some slaves who suffered less than the average wage slave. But I don't think the guy I was responding to was trying to simply point this out.

>>2705863
Humans are animals, sentient or not. You may suffer from worshipping a logic-blinding abstraction known as, "humanity".

>>2705860
Black slaves in America were given food, clothing, housing, and healthcare in exchange for their labor. They had it much better than most of them do today, being shielded from the cruel, industrial world of modernity.

>>2705894
And you suffer from a self-blinding abstraction known as "logic"

>>2705904
Do you care if I sell your family?

>>2705721
They're pretty bad for the economy since you can't tax them. It only makes the people wealthy enough to purchase them more wealthy and the ones who can't with less jobs.

>>2705852
If I had a slave, I would not care if he/she suffered, as long as the required labor was completed. Why should I care about subjective suffering of others who are not my kin?

>>2705913
Yes, but I wouldn't care if your family was sold into slavery.

>>2705872
so basically if you don't take a wage you're stuck at the lower ranks of society

>>2705915
You'll feel better about yourself.

>>2705916
It might be for the best.

>>2705721

people tend to get dominating and cruel when they get to posses other people, this often makes things ugly, and triggers all sorts of decadence and violations, which generaly give it a bad name

also it means you treat humans as cattle, which is inevitably nasty as fuck and simply a bad thing in the longrun

and then you get a population of former slaves to deal with

>>2705920
So selflessness is innately selfish?

>>2705915

It is your kin.

>>2705721
>It's a "slavery is great because morality is a spook" but "me having to get up for a 9-5 job is objectively bad and is not a spook" episode.

>>2705915
If they suffer, they will overthrow you.

>>2705923
>muh nastiness
>muh cruelty
If there is no objective basis for morality, then slavery is no different than any other kind of exploitation.

>>2705931
Ever heard of the Spartans? They would round up the strongest, smartest helots and kill them. This way, the ones who revolted were weaker and easier to kill.

>>2705928
If you are trying to overgeneralise kin-selection to include all humans, you are making a grave mistake from a socio-biological perspective.

>>2705918
Not necessarily, but I wouldn't bet against it.

>>2705924
∞

>>2705932

no, its definitely different, it has nothing to do with objective morality, its a specific thing people do to people and even if there are different variants of it from culture to culture its generaly fucked up in some serious ways

see the point is exactly that there is no objective morality bullshit or universal ethics or metaphysical value system fundamentaly underying

thats the point

keeping humans in slavery is screwed up, same ways as rape or smuggling organs or shitting in the street or acting antisocial is screwed up

loads of shit is screwed up tho and such things just sort of blend into the general grimdark that is reality

>>2705894
I agree that humans are animals. I support trying to reduce the suffering of non-human animals, too. When I refer to slavery dehumanizing humans, I mean that it lowers the dignity of the animal that is most capable of thought - this I see as an evil.

>>2705915
Time to play the usual 4chan game... psycho or edgelord?

I would totally have a slave

Objectively, I'd be all for slavery, but I know how twisted people get when they have control over others.

Maybe it could be okay combined with a means of giving slaves inherent rights, like pets or children.

>>2705860
>No one is forced to take a wage
In practice you are. It's either that or starve.

>>2705877
Your brain washed if you think "wage slaves" is a form of slavery that sees more light than memery.

In slavery you don't have the option to do anything but what your master wants you to do. Wages don't limit everything you do.

>>2706207
Wrong. Regular slavery doesn't mean "you CAN'T leave", that's just a spook. You're perfectly free to walk away and never come back. There are consequences for doing so, of course, but the same is true of wage slavery. It's just a matter of degree.

>>2706218

Yes, and there's only a difference of degrees between stubbing your toe and getting your leg cut off, but people don't bitch about getting their leg cut off when they stub their toe.

>>2706189
If stray cats can figure it out I'm sure you can too.

>>2705721
Owning another human being and denying them the rights to their own body is utter evil.

>>2705904
You are a blithering idiot.
They had no rights of any kind.

Would you give up your life right now to be a chattel slave working from sun-up to sun-down?

>>2705933
Yeah, and they got their ass kicked by the Theban League and disappeared.

>>2706218
That's utter crap.

Slaves were hunted down if they escaped.

>>2706230
And if stubbing your toe and cutting it off both made your leg completely destroyed and resulted in a quick death by bloodloss then that degree of difference is irrelevant.

>>2706269
Yes, and you also die if you can't get food. Why is one cause of death considered "substantial" and the other isn't?