National Socialism

>>2705650
it focuses on the collective and does not offer room for the individual on his/her own...I think
Collectivism<Individualism

>>2705677
So you think that western capitalism is epitome of systems? Prussia apparently had a very good centralized economic system, which currently Japan "uses" - USA doesn't like it so it won't let them call it that. Some ecoanon wrote this. I myself am sure that European socialistic democracies are a lot better than US system everyone is moch healthier here and has better education - you have to pay a lot of taxes sure but we don't have as many problems.

>>2705677
>Muh individualism
I agree that fascism doesn't know how to balance the collective with the individual but flipping to individualism altogether is a fundamental betrayal of that ideology.

>>2705650
>Why is it bad?
It was a totalitarian regime focused on total genocidal war. Why should it not be bad?

>>2705692
If you want to base your political system on nationalism in the modern day, you have to constantly keep the people in a state of impassioned emotion. The people have to believe in things like national glory, existential crises that must be overcome, dangerous outside threats, and so on. Like communism (like all collectivism, really), NatSoc functions alright in wartime. War creates the necessary strong emotions and sense of unity in the people. But all this falls apart in peacetime. In peacetime, the people don't feel threatened or in crisis. Instead, they just want to make good money, have good quality of life, and have fun. The powerful emotions that allow a nationalism-based and/or collectivist political system to exist aren't there any more, and suddenly that collectivist state is a fish out of water. Suddenly it's getting badly outcompeted by liberal republics that have a strong competitive edge in peacetime because they are set up to be capitalist powers to begin with.

>>2705803
>man is entirely an economic creature, devoid of all sacrificial and heroic qualities unless war is going on
Embarrassing post.

>>2705677
>i think

You believe, I prefer the collective over the individual. The individualist will never get us to Mars.

>>2705831
I never used absolutes like "entirely". That's your misreading of what I'm saying. But when it comes to trends, I think that my paragraph is accurate.

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it's shit

Couldn't the /pol/ kids pick something cooler? Being into Hitler is the meme right equivalent of those kids in middle school that were "punks" because they liked Sum41

>>2705745
Why is totalitarian regime bad? A right person can make much more progress in a nation in a week than democracy could in decades.

>>2705859
Why does Hitler have to be part of it? It's not Hitler i'm interested in but the application of the ideology.

>>2705895
I could perhaps make "progress" by killing you and using your money to fund scientific research. Doesn't mean it would be the right thing to do.

>>2705859
What is "cooler" according to you? Communism where noone has anything to eat?

>>2705859
OMG how dare u want 2 hear anythin but

>hitler did nothing wrong
>hitler did nothing wrong
>hitler did nothing wrong
>hitler did nothing wrong

all day errday on the /his/tory channel

>>2705895
regurgitated platonism "the right man" is always an elusive Idea in the grandest scheme of Ideas, blathered on by platonists and those that descent from platonism with all the passion and fury of their hearts but no sense

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>>2705895
Most people on this website are from places like the US, Canada, and western Europe which hold Liberal ideals like individual rights in very high regard. For example, we accept that our criminal justice system will allow some number of guilty men to go free because it also lowers the chances of wrongful conviction which is even more abhorrent. Nobody can deny that a wise and benevolent dictator would be better than even the best democracy, but what about his successor? When you give powers to the government they don't go away. Your next dictator might well decide that your degenerate postings on 4chan demonstrate that you are an enemy of the people, and there will be nothing to stop him.

>>2705992
But what if the dictator is elected by majority?

>>2706030
That doesn't mean anything if he has unlimited power. As they say, "power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

>>2706030
He still shouldn't be able to violate the individual rights of the citizens. They have inalienable rights that they posses purely by virtue of being humans. Governments may end up not respecting those rights, but they exist regardless.

>>2706063
>>2706058
I mean, if the populace trusts a person enough to elect him as dictator would it be wrong?

>>2706088
Yes.

>>2706095
Why? I just don't get it. It just seems that you are prejudiced against anything else than democracy. Sometimes problems require harsh solutions which democracy couldn't do. Democracy seems really succeptible to social problems and degradation and especially foreign influence.

>>2705895
>A right person can make much more progress in a nation in a week than democracy could in decades.
Or he can run it right into a fucking wall, as happened with the OP's example.

>Why is totalitarian regime bad?
Destruction of traditional society, suppression of all kinds of free through,

>>2706117
What is a traditional society? Democratic society? Democracy is a novelty. If the person is nationalist than tradition and free thought can stay. I myself think that if populace elects dictator by majority and his ruling party then its okay and the person is propably the best in the country.

>>2706115
>muh degeneracy
>muh j00s

my word you people really do spam the same arguments over and over again just disguising the true intent

>inb4 le I didn't say j00s so I didn't mean j00s loool i'm not a stormfag proselytizing honest officer xDDDD

>>2706115
Let me take a wild guess... You're prejudiced against democracy because you're a kid who has no experience with political violence and how horrible it is.

>>2706157
What about country financing lobbyists to push their interests in other country? You're the one not willing to discuss and hoping that i just shut up or something.

>>2706143
>What is a traditional society
Well that's relative, but most often it is not a totalitarian one.

>If the person is nationalist than tradition and free thought can stay
>You are allowed to have opinion, as long as it is the allowed one
>All nationalists supported Hitler

>I myself think that if populace elects dictator by majority and his ruling party then its okay and the person is propably the best in the country
So you actually like democracy?

>>2706172
I'm not really prejudiced against anything. Just trying to understand some stuff. I don't have any experience with political violence. Do you have any?

>>2706182
>Well that's relative, but most often it is not a totalitarian one.
Actually we were Monarichies for most of our history(European countries) so that's not valid.
>So you actually like democracy?
Never said that i don't. It can certainly reach some desirable ends.

>>2706192
>Actually we were Monarichies for most of our history(European countries) so that's not valid.
Monarchies were not totalitarian. Only from the most ideological of leftists have I heard such opinion.

>Never said that i don't. It can certainly reach some desirable ends.
Why do you think fragile totalitarian regimes might be better?

>>2706278
>Monarchies were not totalitarian. Only from the most ideological of leftists have I heard such opinion.
what????? They definitely were. Depending on monarch you'd get more or less liberty but he could definitely execute you if he wanted.

>Why do you think fragile totalitarian regimes might be better?
I never said they were better just maybe immune to some of the biggest problems today if a right dictator was elected.
This thread is to discuss NatSoc. You think NatSoc is fragile? Why?

>>2706297
>what????? They definitely were.
Lad, do you know what is a totalitarian regime?

>You think NatSoc is fragile? Why?
I was not talking fascism in general. Most of the regimes rise and fall with their fuhrer, Nazism would hardly be an exception.

>>2706115
>It just seems that you are prejudiced against anything else than democracy
Democracy has made my country safe and prosperous, so I guess I'm kind of fond of it.

>>2706339
So you can't even discuss anything else? Pretty close-minded if you ask me.

>>2706372
Wait...weren't you just advertising close-minded form of goverment?

>>2705650
In itself its not that bad unless you are an individualist

>>2706372
I made some discussion points earlier in the thread. If you want to accuse me of being prejudiced against your government of choice then I guess I am guilty as charged. As far as I can tell national socialism leads to war and oppression which rubs me the wrong way.

>>2705650

You can have both nationalism and socialism in the same country if that's what you are asking, but nazis were more than the name implied, and it wasn't THAT socialist either, especially after Hitler turned on the SA who represented the more populist aspect of the party.

Don't know why anybody would want a Hitler-style autocratic leader-worship based dictatorship though.

>>2706377
I just want to discuss is i'm not implementing it or anything. I'm definitely ethno-nationalist but i'm thinking about way in which etho-nationalist country could work and just want to discuss it. So no, i weren't.
>>2706405
But it was tried just once. All other ideologies had more chances to be tried. Is the system based on oppression and war? what would happen after all jews got exterminated? would it work then?? I'm just trying to fuel discussion on taboo subject.

>>2706428
yeah i'm actually thinking about what the party was actually about and not only the name. So centrist economically and conservative socially. If it was nationalist and didn't kill jews just ship them somewhere else would you be okay with it?

>>2705677
You know what true individualism is? Anarchy

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>>2705677

The superego defines man more than the ego.

Men did not evolve living as individuals but as groups. The human is evolved to think and function as part of a tribe. Man without tribe ceases to be a man, as our entire psychology is based around being part of a group of men. Game theory computer models have demonstrated that in-group altruism is the most adaptive (sucessful) social strategy from a evolutionary perspective.

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>>2705745

>Implying hitler wanted war with england and france

>>2705992

A dictator should select his successor with a public veto

>>2706482
He wasn't implying that. And Hitler did want war with Poland and Russia. Well, of course he would have preferred to just take all the land without war, but that wasn't going to happen.

>>2706489
this is what i'm thinking.

>>2705745
>totalitarian regime
not inherent to national socialism
>total genocidal war
again, not inherent to national socialism

>>2706454

The Jews were not the only group Hitler tried to exterminate. It wasn't just a war to take Russia and Poland, it was a war to empty those lands of people and replace them with German settlers.

>>2706494
So you think NatSoc is just ethnic nationalism socially and centrist economically? You think it could work as democracy? Would it be even called natsoc then?

>>2706506
I don't believe this. There were SS divisions from slav and arab countries and there was even Russian division fighting for Germans. Sure they killed many slavs but that's war.

>>2706491

If you read hitler's second book he clearly lays out his motives and strategy.

>Russia will invade eastern Europe in less than a decade
>Russia + Eastern Europe would be stronger than us
>Therefore I must...
>1. reclaim German lands lost in ww1
>2. bring Finland and Austria into the Reich
>3. ally with England and Italy to ensure that the French won't help the Russians

As soon as Churchill declared war, Hitler knew that everything was fucked to hell.

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>having wars

>>2706531
what are you trying to say?

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Lets look at the major crises that have plagued the US the last two decades
>2008 banking crisis caused by private, predatory banks which would cause the housing crisis
>Iraq and Afghanistan wars fomented by Israeli and Saudi interests (which is easily proven)
>civil unrest sparked by racial tensions
>mass illegal immigration

National Socialism had the answers to all of these issues

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>>2706544

>>2706544
You're retarded.

>>2706544
But under National Socialism there would be many other problems don't you think?

>>2706564

Like being attacked by jewish bankers?

>>2706578
Staybrainwashed

>>2706521

You can reed up on the plan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrbauer

>>2706578
No but definition of race is very loose that's what i'm struggling with figuring out. Not even the bestest white nationalists know who to include and who don't. What if the state decided that you're not white enough?
btw. why aren't there ID's noone can see that i'm up for discussion(i'm OP) not to blindly just support anything

>>2706583
Are you blind
Goldman Sachs
Lehman Brother
Bear and Stearns

Its slapping you in th face with it's circumcised cock and all you can say is "its not happening!".

>>2706589
Okay whatever i don't want to discuss what hitler planned and what he didn't plan but the system and it's viabillity.

>>2706589
>never a single scrap of paper regarding Generalplan Ost was found

>>2706592
fascist ideologies that actually give a shit about race are dumb

the line is "citizen of the country" versus "non-citizen". the government acts in favor of the former and neither acts in favor nor aggresses against the latter. wherever possible, divisions between the former (such as race, religion, $$$) are removed because they make society less healthy.

>>2706597

Yeah, so we can never be sure. There is a lot of mysterious Nazi shit that we will never fully understand. Like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Riese

>>2706603
Why are they dumb? would you want to live with low IQ monkeys in your country and then lock all of them up because they are monkeys and sustain them in prison? that's dumb i think. And if one race are citizens but are tribalistic and help one another to fuck over the majority then it's still okay? Race is most significant factor in culture.

>>2706611

anon no you are monkey now

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>>2706594
shhhhhh..

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It was just shitty social de,ocrat policies with nationalistic flair. It mostly survived off the fact it was a war time economy, stealing shit from countries it occupied to keep its own economy afloat. It also had to sell off major assets of its state to private corporations from America to ensure it didnt fuck up anymore.

Living in Nazi Germany was similiar to living in NK, a lot of the conditions didnt change from weimar Germany if you didn't live in an industrial city or had relatives in military positions, you never really got much better. Just a "feeling" of betterness from the shitty propaganda they fed you.
The state also shoved its dick wherever it went, spying on its citizens, killing dissenters, the usual tolitarian nonsense.

Hitler was a moron who expanded too much too fast. and subsequently got his ass kicked because of it. His entire country was burned because of this too

tl;sr shitty dictatorship thats only famous for killing jews and starting ww2

>>2706615
I think there's no point to fascism if it's not about race.

>>2706592

>Not even the bestest white nationalists know who to include and who don't.

>What are haplogroups

you can very easy check via mitochondrial and y-chromosome dna

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>>2706627

I wonder what Mussolini would say about that...

>>2706635

probably depends on whether he was more scared of evola's magic or hitler's army at the moment

>>2706620
It brought a lot of technological improvement to the world. And a lot of great ideas. Never spied on its citizens as much as US is spying currently. And people generally had it a lot better then during crisis. If they won they would eventually be much bigger power than US.

>>2706620

>war time economy

You forgot 1933-1936, when most of the economic sucess occured. The war hurt the economy.

The Reich's economy was successful because it nationalized the central bank and prohibited usury.

>>2706628
So do you include Slavs(R1a)? Or Finns(N3) or only westerners like spaniards and Anglos(R1b)???What about Greeks(J)?

>>2706654
except not, Nazi Germany's economy was in so much debt that it had to go to war to ever hope in getting rid of it. (and the war just killed their country.)

>>2706642

Technological improvements or not, it still had a shitty debt based economy.

If nazi germany lasted more than it had, it would of collapsed in a decade or two in a similiar fashion to Yugoslavia. No clear successors, power struggle, and crippling debt.

>>2706115
The people chose my leaders in '98, he was shit then and was shit till he died, but he was for the "pueblo" and the poor, wrecked the economy and handed it to friends and political allies, then we were left with an even worst succesor who fucked everything up further.

Anon from Venezuela, also all of this happened after 10 years of the biggest oil bonanza, which they stole, so fuck no, dictatorial regimes can be controlled by no one, especially when they're "democratic"

>>2706657

As long as they have I and R then they have cromagnon and indo-european descent.

>>2706660
Wasn't most of the debt because of Versailles? Or did they just refuse to pay reparations?

>>2706666
But that just means that your people are dumb and subhuman so nothing suprising actually. Nothing about the system.

>>2706672

the nazisozi party cancelled all foreign debts form versailles

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>>2706672
Debt from loans the nazi germany government took themselves.

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>>2706692
>>2706672
pic related

>>2706672
No, there was a moratorium on debts from Versailles in 1932. Germany barely paid any reparations before then anyway

Maybe OP, what you may consider is having a leader who can be given emergency powers for set time periods in times of distress by an elected government?

>>2706692
>>2706694
Who did they take teh loans from? US has huge debt aswell but it's irrelevant basically - noone can force it out of them. Same as Japan - the loans are from corporations within Japan who are constatnly lending money to Japan to improve infrastructure and improve economy.

>>2706706
The parlament is a huge setback on everything. Person elected by intelligent nation will be intelligent himself and then can proceed to change policies instantly. A huge part of the parlament can be financed by different nations and corporations and not even care about the people as what is happening in US. Slowing down the needed reforms because it would hurt some corporations and stuff.

>>2706734

Have the decision to give emergency powers be given by popular vote by the citizens?

Either way I would suggest an elected government at least be the one to decide who the next leader would be, because otherwise you can end up like North Korea, Soviet Union post Stalin, or like Rome with its civil wars and power struggles.

>I really like coming up with fictional governments, I'm that kind of geeky.

>>2705842
The individual must be strong for the collective to be strong.

>>2706774
Not a selected government but another popular vote after leaders death.

>>2706482
If he didn't, he wouldn't have been an autistic fuck and went to war with Poland.

>>2706521
>There were SS divisions from slav and arab countries
There were no Arab SS divisions.

>Sure they killed many slavs but that's war
Sure the Nazis invaded Poland in a war of conquest and massacred Polish leaders in Operation Tannenberg, Intelligenzaktion, Palmiry massacre, and AB-Aktion which killed ~128,000 Poles. And sure the Nazis conducted the war in the most brutal way possible, bombing Warsaw into dust. And sure they forced all the remaining Poles into ghettos and forced labour camps. And sure the Nazis set up all their concentration camps and death camps in Poland. And sure Polish people were forced into ghettos and starved to death (90,000). And sure Polish people were brutally oppressed. And sure the Nazis began "Germanization" of Poland by suppressing and trying to erase any trace of their history and culture, which included plans to completely restructure Warsaw. And sure they eventually bombed Warsaw into dust once more during the Warsaw uprising. And Sure the Nazis brutally persecuted Poles for their catholic faith, most famously killing the now canonized Saint Maximilian Kolbe And sure Nazis started burning hospitals down, murdering thousands of sick polish people and raping Polish women on a mass scale. And sure they were even kidnapping thousands of Polish children to brainwash them to be subservient to their Nazi overlords. and sure at the end of it all over 2 Million non Jewish Poles were killed by the Nazis, But that's just war!

>>2705650
>Can someone explain national socialism to me? Why is it bad?

You can't pose this question in such innocent terms without being disingenuous. We all know where you're coming from.

>>2706544
No it didn't. They had many of their own problems as well, like being run on a fucking war economy that would've collapsed by the 50s at least

>>2706620
this

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>>2706654

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>>2706594
It's like vomiting stormfag propaganda and all you can say is "I'm not brainwashed, it's DA JOOS".

>>2705650
>Why is it bad?
You know DAMN fucking well why it's bad.
30,000,000+ dead Europeans says enough.

>>2706830
you know what we're discussing here right?

OP, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and you are just interested in a strong leader and snazzy military uniforms and not really in favor of any neo-nazi shenanigans, just for the sake of this discussion.

In creating a government, you would need a constitution, clearly define the aspects of government, and give checks and balances to all the aspects of it. You say you want a powerful leader, what would you say his limits would be? What keeps him or her from exceeding those limits? Is this Palpatine style unlimited power?

And then you have levels of government, would local and state governments be a thing, if so than how much autonomy?? Would there be an independent legislation branch? Independent Judiciary branch? How and what positions are filled? Appointment? Elections? Sortition? Watery tarts throwing swords?


>>2706677
>But that just means that your people are dumb and subhuman so nothing suprising actually.

Well that was just rude. Somehow I doubt your intentions.

>>2706523
So the moron started a war with France and England on the off chance that it might help protect Germany from a hypothetical war with Russia. I don't know... I get the sense he would have wanted Eastern Europe one way or another, and would have rationalized a reason for it. He had not idea how profoundly global trade and military technology (nukes, etc.) would change in the upcoming decades and had an antiquated notion that to make Germany a superpower he absolutely had to grab more land and resources.

>>2706438
Hitler modelled the economy on autarky, or self-sufficiency for a war. He talked from the start about Lebensraum in the East. Essentially, Nazism is an ideology geared towardsaggressive expansion (and the elimination of 'undesirables'.)
Tldr Nazism leads to war

>>2706826
>Top four are N A T I O N A L banks of China
>disregarding the J E W I S H banks hit the hardest (Lehman Brothers and Bear and Stearn, owned by Jewish Lehman Brothers and Alan Schwartz, all Jews oy vey) that were largely the instigators and participants in the 2008 crisis (Lehman brothers ultimately were charged)
>implying you're not a Jew spreading misinfo

>>2706941

He didn't think England and France would fight a war for Poland. He thought it would be a slap on the wrist at most.

>>2706961
Ebbry1 hu dissagris wit me must be a Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
...
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>>2706977
No, England gave him one last chance to back down on the same day as the invasion of Poland started... he refused. So he had a chance to stop once he already knew that England was serious.

>>2706979
Thats what I thought Schlomo.

>>2706628
>you can very easy check via mitochondrial and y-chromosome dna
That seems extremely autistic and trivial.

>>2705650
I've struggled over this question myself friend. Perhaps its because Natsoc or rather I think its more appropriate to call it Nazism, was rather fluid. By that I mean it was a regime that was ment to be adaptable, with a few core ideas all of the philosophical nature which I assume you are aware of. If not Perhaps take a look into Nazi Phil. But I digress, we do need to remember that Hitler was a dictator that created a personality cult around himself. At the end of the day it was an Empire that served him and his ideals, and to understand Nazism one must understand Hitler as a philosopher (which he totally was) and a man. I think true Natsoc is as the name implies just socialism with a big aspect of Nationalism perhaps look at Stalinist USSR. But what do I know just my thoughts I hope it may have shed some light on the issue.

Question. What happens if there isn't anybody popular enough to be leader? You can't just assume there would be a leader that rallies the people, like what if the candidates all have 30% support in an election?

Did Hitler even say anything about how he wanted things to go after his death?

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>>2706468
That's why limited government is pretty cool.

>>2707570
Look at Maduro after Chavez died in Venezuela. Chavez was not even as powerful as Hitler and not really a dictator either. But it's a close enough comparison. He was charismatic and died and his successor, Maduro can barely hold his country together and now it's spiraling into chaos.

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>>2706961
>jews control banking!
>no, here's a list of banks by assets
>b-b-b-b-b-but muh conspiracy
lehmans was as responsible as every other financial institution that speculated with subprimes, which is pretty much every one of them

>>2705650
failed experimental government which resulted in a war that caused the deaths of 60 million people

>>2706677
>idiots elect bad dictators
You understand that if you take this to be true then a dictator is almost certainley going to never educate his populace, or actively try and keep them dumb, right? Democracies line up the want of politicans to be in power and the want of the people to have good living standards, because they're reliant on each other.

>>2705650
it's exactly what it says, Socialism with Nationalism thrown into it, and often that Nationalism translates into war.

>>2705650
There's a few angles you can look at it from
1: Dictatorial rule
When you empower an executive of the state you run the risk that he will seriously fuck up, this is normally offset by a group of educated people the soverign can contact and refer to in descision making in fields the soverign may not totally understand, like a court, however the soverign can always ignore the far more educated people, hitler did this with his general staff, he proved willing to ignore the people he appointed to be educated on a topic and give him advice on said topic.
2: The economic and social situations of the time
Germany had lost the war, Italy had their victory mutilated, Austria's empire was split into it's many nations, all of the countries that adopted fascism had some reason to try and empower a soverign executive in order to reclaim glories that had been felt to be lost in the aftermath of the great war, when people feel their nation has come to an all time low, when they feel that the nation has been subject to injustice they long for a powerful executive, a unified nation (even if said unification is taken by force)

>>2706721
Well that's just the basis of keynesian economics, the idea that germany was running on (presumably, i'm shaky on my knowledge of nazi germany) would be to borrow money from private banks in order to fund the creation of infrastrucutre like the autobahn that would get more people employed and spending, increasing the gdp of germany which they would then use to pay back the banks and shove a rocket up the economies ass.

>>2706095
By the end of world war two even Winston Churchill sat on top of a non-democratic wartime coalition.

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>>2705650
National Socialism was destroyed by Hitler in 1934. The actual national-socialists were murdered, forced into exile like Otto Strasser or had to avoid expressing socialist views in public like Goebbels.
The original National-Socialist movement had a strong pro-worker component to it and wanted deep social reform (check the 25-point Program of the NSDAP). The SA was initially a movement made of working class men who campaigned against capitalists.

But for pragmatic reasons, Hitler decided to ally himself with the conservative elites and industrialists who were all anti-worker and had the national-socialist elements eliminated to get their support. It was those capitalist and conservative elements that had a huge influence in the WWII Germany.

>>2707713
And yet two months after the end of the war the general election was still called, emergency dictatorial power give to a head of state doesn't delegitimize the normal operation of the state, i mean rome was still a republic when the emergency dictatorial powers were used, as was Britain.

>>2707626
Those aren't all banks.

God you're a moron.
>muh conspiracy
>tried to show banks aren't qll Jewish owned, ended up using banks ran and owned by the state (Chinese, which also were the wealthiest) as an example without realizing he proved that NATIONALIZING banks (just like the NSDAP had) is successful
>used banks not involved in the 2008 crisis as an example
>still tries to hide the FACT that the instigating and most influential banks regarding the speculation which led to the crisis were the aforementioned JEWISH banks, 2 of which are now defunct (mind you those wormy Jews found other banks to infect)

>>2705650
What it started as and what it ended as are very different.

Basically it was pro-state control and anti-big business, there were socialist elements in there what with it being a mainly workers movement but it was a far cry from communism.

Hitler tainted it by association and pissed all over its founding principles(the bits that weren't the local variant of immigrants stealing our jobs)

all national socialism is, is the idea that each race/culture should have their own state/nation to make their own. you can visit other nations but you can't live there or become a citizen.
usury is outlawed. a single national bank exists that doesn't rip people off with huge interest rates (close to 0 interest).
social programs for citizens.
people here keep citing collectivism but nat soc promotes owning your own business/assets.
everyone works together making the nation better so they can all enjoy the luxury that comes with it.

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>>2705650
>>2706521
>>2706597
>>2707997
http://imgur.com/a/OiENg

It's one of the three authoritarian ideologies that plagued Europe during the 20th century, murdering millions and leaving behind destruction.

Ok lads, but how about a non ethnicitiy based NatSoc isolationist state

>>2705910
Italian fascism desu.

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>>2708173
>Ok lads, but how about a non ethnicity based isolationalist state based on an ideology that espouses expansionist nationalism and supremacism

>>2708188
that's how the ideology has been adapted by its leaders, but they are not inherent elements of it. And even if they were, what does it matter. There's plenty of different flavours of communism, why can't we rework another ideology after seeing the way it has been implemented in the past failed just like communist states do

>>2706786
And how are you sure there won't be any meddling with the vote?

>>2708193
National socialism's roots were in earlier anti-semitic, anti-Slavic, pan-German, expansionist movements. If you mean a general ideology with nationalist and socialist views, then sure, but don't associate that with nationalsocialism. WW2 in itself has an example of a movement both socialist and nationalist in character, the Yugoslav resistance front (formerly various factions of it, later taken over completely by the Communist party).

>>2705803
And this is exactly why Italy had a monarchy, or kept it at least. A common, unifying focus -- the culture, the crown, the state -- allows these emotions to exist in perpetuity. Saying that the modern malaise suffered by prettymuch everyone in a western nation is somehow "normal" is embracing societal degeneracy -- to which National Socialism is the true cure.

>>2705650
>Why didn't it work
It worked very well before the war.

>>2705692
The European system is subsidised by the American system so the comparison isn't really fair.

>>2708267
Until they ran out of other people's money

>>2708417
>The European system is subsidised by the American system so the comparison isn't really fair.
It's not.

Also, the American system is subsidised by the Chinese system so the comparison isn't really fair.

>>2707781
>Those aren't all banks.
Wow, you can read titles.

>tried to show banks aren't qll Jewish owned, ended up using banks ran and owned by the state (Chinese, which also were the wealthiest) as an example without realizing he proved that NATIONALIZING banks (just like the NSDAP had) is successful
I have absolutely no problem with nationalizing banks (pretty much the opposite). And the pic posted includes both national and private banks, because unlike stormfags I don't cherrypick to suit my needs, I posted an objectively sorted list. On the other hand, why wouldn't they appear? National banks contributed to the crisis in murrica, and they are relevant to assess the alleged influence of magical jews in banking.

>still tries to hide the FACT that the instigating and most influential banks regarding the speculation which led to the crisis were the
I don't really give a fuck about lehman brothers (which represents the average jew as much as jp morgan represents average murricans or average hsbc brits), but you're massively cherrypicking to suit your narrative. On the other hand I'd like to know which magical jews are responsible in the countries that suffered the crisis the most, namely iceland, spain, and greece.

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>>2708480
>On the other hand I'd like to know which magical jews are responsible in the countries that suffered the crisis the most, namely iceland, spain, and greece
hey brother, can you guess who thought of the EU?

>>2708527
An Austro-Japanese Judeophile who died almost half a century before the economic crisis of 2008 is to blame for the bad economic situation in those countries?

>>2708546
please read the second half of my post friend

>>2708553
The idea of a united Europe was born long before Coudenhove-Kalergi but it did start growing in prominence after the First world war. I'm not sure the man is implicated in the bad financial situation in the aforementioned countries, though.

>>2707743
>conservative elites

From what I understand, the nobility and Hitler didn't like each other.

>>2710321
True, but both wanted to get stop the SA from becoming too powerful.

>>2710345

Hitler didn't reinstate the Kaiser either, It seems that Hitler over-time basically kept changing the meaning of his party until it basically was just 'the Hitler party'. And yeah, it wasn't particularly traditional, conservative or socialist outside of whatever happened to coincide with Hitlers personal plans once the night of the long knives happened, where he purged both the SA and the Freikorps.

>>2710377
That's because nazism and all the third positionalism is just Machiavellianism repackaged for mindless brainlets who want a platonic philosopher king to worship.

>>2706477
True but Natsoc is a pretty shitty version of community life.

>>2708252
Why not just go back to monarchy rule? There's a problem with natsoc, once the dictator dies, everything goes to shit.

>>2705650
>There isn't actually a lot information about it.
What the fuck have you been smoking?