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1. Your religious stance.
2. Your opinion on capital punishment.
3. Your reasons for #2.
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Irreligious
Pro
Talk shit get hit
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>>2702261
1. Agnostic
2. Against
3. Punishing a crime by having the State doing the same crime transform justice in a mere commerce, were nothing in learnt by society except that in a world without punishment there would not be reasons to not do evil.
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>>2702261
1. Pantheist/Pagan
2. We need to start hanging murders again
3. Psychopaths aren't human, prison costs too much, I've been one of those people (a gutter trash degenerate) and they deserve no sympathy
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Atheist
Pro
Human trash? Pay the cash!
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>>2702282
>muh statism
the problem is that the state kills to prevent the murder of those who live via the social contract they have agreed to, the murder kills to break the social contract for personal gain.
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1. Roman Catholic
2. It should be legal
3. Certain actions are befitting capital punishment as a consequence.
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>>2702301
>Pagan
>When you LARP so hard you forget you were even LARPing
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>>2702261
>1. Your religious stance.
None
>2. Your opinion on capital punishment.
Mixed
>3. Your reasons for #2.
If people are put into prison for life, capital punishment is preferable. However, I think life in prison in most situations is an overblown sentence and premeditated murder should be the only life-sentence.
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>>2702261
1.irreligious
2.ambiguous
3. because it realy only serves a rhetorical function, making an example of someone, and in so far its often actualy rather underused
weather some random guy that shot up some policeman or killed someone in a mobbig is either killed or thoroughly rehabilitated trough some proces, or made to break rocks and test drugs for the rest of his life isnt realy that relevant, it dosent realy mean much in the great scheme of things
now if say, some group fucked up on a corporate or political level to the point it affects the whole nations economy for example, and basicaly comes near to a sort of treason or criminal incompetence, and the ''leaders'' or key members of the group and/or those responcible for the situation by official function, were executed, now that would mean something
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>>2702261
1. Atheist
2. Whatever is cheapest and most efficient long-term without sacrificing our principles
3. The punishment should be(in some regard) proportional to the crime, but at the same time the state is not infallible, and capital punishment should only be used in cases where there is no ambiguity for a prisoner's crimes. I'm talking Jeffrey Dahmer, finding-bodies-in-the-crawl-space, level of certainty. If it comes to a point where your entire life is dependent on the state's punishment, you live or die by it's desire for you to. Ideally the state would pick the cheapest and most efficient choice.
And again, the state isn't 100% right, it fucks up a lot. So it's probably best for it to not be used in the event that the government fucks up and kills an innocent man.
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>>2702319
>Atheist
>Principals
Pick one.
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Is a life sentence more ethical than capital punishment?
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>>2702315
>Christian AKA White people who LARP as poor jews because muh Israel
>Christianity only shills for Israel because the Jews tricked us, its not like Christians have always defended jews off and on more than any other religious group ever
topkek
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>>2702261
>1. Your religious stance.
Thelema.
>2. Your opinion on capital punishment.
I'm uncomfortable with it; I don't reject it outright, but generally think it does nothing more than make courts and victim families feel better, which is a thing, but you're constantly hearing things like "closure is nice but it doesn't mean Mongo didn't rape little Timmy to death". Hints and tones of >>2702282's reason too.
I'd LIKE to see some actual attempts at rehabilitation in the CJ system, and better understandings of standards of proof.
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>>2702261
>1. Your religious stance.
none
>2. Your opinion on capital punishment.
only in the most super extreme cases
>3. Your reasons for #2.
i dont believe a society where you can do literally anything and be safe in the knowledge that the state will protect your life is a truly civilized society
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>>2702323
No. Prison is designated suffering and life sentence versus execution is the difference between torture then murder and murder.
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>>2702336
>philosophy board will be heavily religious
Sure, bud
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1. Theist - I believe in god but theres something about organized religion that I cannot believe in or follow.
2. Pro
3. Let me cite Saudi Arabia, a place with an extremely low crime rate; one of the main reasons behind their very low crime rate is because their punishments are swift and effective. Thieves lose a hand, murderers die.
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>>2702320
this
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>>2702336
/r/thedonald pls
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>>2702320
I pick both buddy
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>>2702344
>/his/ philisophical
Of this board was philisophical they would;ve read Spinoza by now. Athiesm is the least logical belief system in the modern world. Athiests are the idiots of a religion who suddenly think they are too smart for the beliefs they never really understood or believed in.
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>>2702371
reddit pls
also
>pls
can you make yourself any more obvious?
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Islam.
Pro.
I don't want my tax dollars being spent on sheltering, feeding and taking care of a murderer.
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>>2702261
1. Atheist
2. It's based, just as long as only people I don't like are getting executed. I think it should be extended to political enemies like Muslims and Communists too.
3. I don't need one
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>>2702261
1. Christian
2. applies to subversives especially
3. Communists existing
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>>2702261
>Atheist
>Pro Death penalty anti life in prison w/o the possibility of parole
>I think that a society should be able to defend itself. That being said I think that life in prison is fucking stupid, if someone is too dangerous/has done something so heinous that their release is unacceptable then they should be killed. If this is not the case then we should try to rehabilitate them and make them productive again.
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>>2702261
>1. Atheist/Jungian
>2. Against it
>3. There is always the possibility that somone has been wrongly convicted, and the death penalty is just generally an unsightly thing for a civilized society.
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>>2702336
4chan has always been primarily irreligious
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>>2702311
How can you be Catholic and pro-death penalty? The Church vocally opposes it.
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>>2702319
>Whatever is cheapest and most efficient
You completely disregarded the only important part of the question that is "Should death even be a punishment?"
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>>2702327
>Assuming I'm Christian
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>>2702261
Atheist.
Against.
Executed people have been found innocent after the fact, any justice system that would send innocents to death is a shit justice system.
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1.Agnostic Atheist
2. pro with conditions
3. only the worst of the worst, the completely irredeemable people who will never be rehabilitated deserve it, and only then for being a drain on the system.
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>>2702403
>Atheists are stupid
Why do studies show that a higher IQ correlates with increased chance of being irreligious?
>Least logical belief system
Can you logically explain why you adhere to your specific religion, rather than the millions of other religions that have existed? What makes your's exclusively and objectively true?
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>>2702517
Throughout most of history the RCC supported the death penalty. Just because a few moderns don't doesn't mean the entire church isn't able to support it.
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>>2702581
That's the big question of life, anon. But most people see dying as a bad thing/something that should be avoided for as long as possible
So if there's something so heinous that taking away your freedom for your entire life (prison) isn't severe enough the only thing left to take IS your life
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>>2702603
http://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/about.aspx
It says there are 2018 US exonerations today, which is comparatively low to the number of people who have served a life sentence.
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1.don't follow religion 2.conditionaly pro 3.dead people don't rape and murder--too often a life sentence isn't, some bleeding heart lets them out and they commit more
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cognitive relativism
don't care
people will do what they want and justify it how they want. it's always been this way and always will be.
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>>2702261
1.Catholic
2. Only insofar as it can defend society. I can't find it supportable in the current west.
3. Charity and support of the common good.
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>>2702719
>common good
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>>2702607
>Why do studies show that a higher IQ correlates with increased chance of being irreligious?
Because most atheists are white.
>Can you logically explain why you adhere to your specific religion, rather than the millions of other religions that have existed? What makes your's exclusively and objectively true?
Because i went through my athiest phase and it wasn't some bitch's athiest phase which involved shitting out Richard Dawkins quotes, i wanted to be a legitimate heretic who rebelled against all Abrahamic belief systems and belief as a whole, which most atheists can never understand. In fact most athiests are just Christians who don't go to church.
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>>2702501
Actually thats true. Eventually you had the Christcucks and the assorted XYZ /x/ fags come in, but the point was just bantz about people being newfags.
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>>2702758
Deal with it, Son.
>>2702607
>Why do studies show that a higher IQ correlates with increased chance of being irreligious?
Because anti-religion rhetoric and pro-naturalism are common things for people in ingest in school. It's an aspect of how they are educated, not of education itself.
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>>2702761
>i wanted to be a legitimate heretic who rebelled against all Abrahamic belief systems and belief as a whole, which most atheists can never understand
You also didn't answer the good anon's question, only Ad Hominem and pic related.
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>>2702776
Why then has education moved away from religion?
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>>2702782
The 30 Years War and the secularization in response to it. General Enlightenment bullshit.
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>>2702261
1. Anglican
2. Against
3. Some people are wrongly imprisoned and if we kill them there is no chance to undue a wrong. More important, even killers and rapists should spend their lives reflecting on their crimes and hopefully they will one day realize the error in their ways. That doesn't mean that they deserve to be released if they do realize their crimes, a lifetime punishment is still warranted. Finally, only God should have the power to take away life, not the state.
Go ahead and call me a cuck.
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>>2702779
You have no idea how edgy I really was desu, but i did not use any ad hominem. Ad hominems are a specific kind of logical fallacy where when someone presents evidence you refute their evidence with an a priori assumption of their character as though this were logical evidence. he asked me a personal question (not one based on evidence) as to why I no longer consider myself an athiest and gave him a logical asnwer.
Underneath this answer you should've been able to see the subtext that the nature of theology is always subject to change, therefore religion changes amongst people once peolpe begin to understand that the spiritual world is an objective fact subject to debate but no denial. of course with the average IQ of this place I was probably expecting too much from that subtext.
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>>2702261
1. Atheist but culturally Jewish
2. Killing prisoners is a great way to empty the prison systems, reduce recidivism rates and make society safer. Most of the violent criminals in prison would be better off dead.
3. I'm against it in application because society is fairly safe anyway, and every modern application has been unscientifically bungled, every time. The guy who coined the three-chemical Lethal Injection(tm) technique disavowed it and the govt bureaucrats using it as "complete idiots"!
I think the highest likelihood of success would be from competing, private execution entities rather than public ones, with stock in the idea of efficiency and painlessness, rather than expense and bloodlessness. All the most efficient ways to die are bloody, all the most expensive and agonizing (choking, hanging, suffocating, poisoning) that we've used in the modern era are bloodless.
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>>2702782
>Why then has education moved away from religion?
Because of the current zietgeist within academia geared towards populist thoughtand reform from a sole populist basis.
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>>2702261
1)Ex-Muslim, currently Deist.
2)Support
3)"All good deeds are done under the shadow of a sword" - Muhammad
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>>2702261
>Atheist
>For
Because why keep them alive after its proven that they rape or kill people if they are let out they would continue crimes
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>>2702804
>culturally Jewish
Althought I'd agree with you that the only real way to reduce recidivism rates once you begin to undertsand the nature of anti-social offenders is execution,
>Jewish
Your religion inherently doesn't care about the pragmatism or humanity of people unless they are fellow jews. Judaism is insanely tribalistic, so if you are culturally jewish you would share these tribalistic virtues as well. Do jewish offenders receive the same punishment as non-jewish offenders?
>differentiating between bloodless and bloody demises for the scum of humanity
why bother giving these people a bloodless death when most themselves didn't care about inflicting bloodless deaths upon others?
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>>2702261
Prod
Pro
Send 'em all to God and let him sort 'em out
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>>2702802
>it wasn't some bitch's athiest phase which involved shitting out Richard Dawkins quotes
You made an a priori assumpton about other Athiests.
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>>2702261
Christian
Pro
CCC says it's ok
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>>2702835
I suppose it would be anecdotal because that is my experience with atheists - heavily pro pop-science, further to the left as a general rule, or generally marxist in nature - although I;ve had experience with more right wing athiests who are essentially just Christians despite them not knowing it. Its not a priori - just anecdotial because i don't know what the exact statistics are except that athiests heavily vote in favor of left wing parties.
That said the contemporary athiest is not willing to expel Natural Law or other Christian derived modalities of morals from their belief system.
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>>2702844
>What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground. And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand.
- from the story of Cain and Abel
Unless the Catholic Church has a definition of "brother" it wants to share with us.
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>>2702869
>Catholics
been anathema for centuries
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>>2702261
1. Catholic
2. Outdated and barbaric
3. Thou Shall Not Kill
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm#2267
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/death-penalty-capital-punishment/catholic-campaign-to-end-the-use-of-the-death-penalty.cfm
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>>2702884
>If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor
It's almost as if recidivism among violent offenders is high and thus death should be the proper recourse
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1. Christian (Lutheran)
2. No
3. Our penal system here in America largely functions as a repository for societies undesirables rather than a system which truly attempts to rehabilitate the individual. Getting rid of the the death penalty won't solve the problem but it will be a step in the right direction. (That's not to say Joe Bob who committed double homicide should get out one day, he's in for life)
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>>2702888
Or we could save money and lock the up for life. This comes with the added bonuses of
>them finding God, repenting, and saving their souls
>if they are innocent, there's hope they will be freed
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>>2702909
>save money
>lock them up for life
Pick one and only one. You can get a rope for a few bucks or a bullet for a twenty cents. That's a hell of a lot less expensive than room, board and healthcare for however many decades.
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>>2702909
>Or we could save money and lock the up for life
Nigger have you just not looked up how expensive it is to keep them in prison? Sure in the States i actually costs more to keep people on Death Row, which i why these people need to be killed sooner instead if have the extended intermittent pre-execution period.
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>>2702914
>Pick one and only one. You can get a rope for a few bucks or a bullet for a twenty cents
We don't have lynch mobs anymore. The death penalty come with a metric fuckton of appeals and legal costs.
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>>2702926
Because of people like you. We don't even need lynch mobs anyways. Just get a fucking hangman or a firing squad.
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>>2702922
>Lets assume people are guilty until proven executed
Living in the 3rd world outside of America must be hell.
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>atheist
>against, mostly
>expensive, kills people who were unjustly prosecuted. However, should be an opt-in option for criminals with life sentences, if you'd prefer death to prison.
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Catholic
Anti-, at least in practice
I'm not opposed to the notion that some crimes merit death, but I don't think the state is fit to make the judgment over something so serious.
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>>2702936
>let's assume people are innocent that have been convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt by a jury their peers
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>>2702945
>beyond a shadow of a doubt
NOTHING is ever shown beyond a shadow of a doubt outside of mathematics.
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>>2702954
I dunno man. You proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're a fucking autist so that tosses your whole theory out the window.
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>>2702954
What about formal logics.
Or philosophical first principles, such as non-contradiction.
Sure those are in the same epistemological ground as mathematical intuitions
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>>2702261
1. No religious beliefs
2. If you're proven to be a mass murderer/rapist/traitor etc., you should be killed.
3. It's easier and cheaper than a lifetime of prison meals and such, and if you're a lunatic that can't function in society, you should be killed
Why does this belong in Thai board, exactly?
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>>2702936
>lets assume people are guilty until proven innocent
Yes pretty much the world is overpopulated anyway.
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>>2702954
>person is shown on gas station cameras to have shot the cashier
>also shows him dropping the gun, which has his bloody fingerprints on it
>he looks into the camera and states his name, address, blood type, and social security number
>admits to the crime and provides a mountain of evidence supporting this theory
Fuck off, Descartes.
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>>2702977
Any logic of value has already been annex by mathematics. All that's left for philosophy is muh feels and postmodernism.
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>>2702954
There is no objective vindication of logic and by extension math. Science isn't objective vindication either. Also, we don't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that what we perceive is even real, so you must treat crime with the same objectivity as everything else.
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>>2703006
Has that ever happened?
Because the opposite, i.e., innocent people being convicted has happened thousands of times.
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>>2702823
No, I don't think Jews should get preferential treatment from non-Jews. I don't think my relation to Judaism is relevant.
>why bother giving these people a bloodless death
It is categorically imperative to be as efficient, fast, and painless as possible in the process of an execution. The aim is to kill, not to inflict pain. If you wanted to inflict pain you can torture them.
If I was a hideous criminal beyond any hope of help, restitution or rehabilitation, I'd at least prefer to be put out of my misery quickly and cleanly.
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>>2703006
>>person is shown on gas station cameras to have shot the cashier
Jews faked it.
>>also shows him dropping the gun, which has his bloody fingerprints on it
Jews planted it.
>>he looks into the camera and states his name, address, blood type, and social security number
What's more likely: someone that dumb or the Jews framing someone?
>>admits to the crime and provides a mountain of evidence supporting this theory
Jews are threatening his family, friends, beloved pets, etc
You see, there is a shadow of a doubt after all. It's not a reasonable doubt but /pol/ will believe it.
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>>2703033
No you wouldn't
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>>2703032
2018 times in the United States for death row and life inmates to be exact. Not exactly a high amount, considering.
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>>2702261
1. Unable to have faith
2. Necessary
3. There is no redemption for crimes like genocide, treason and murder, people need to know there is a line that should not be crossed.
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>>2702261
1. Non-religious
2. Not complimentary with modern society
3. The fundamental purpose of justice should be to protect people. Considering that there is no way to definitively prevent innocents from being executed, it is both an economical and ethical farce. If there were a way to guarantee that no innocents could be executed (which is unachievable), I would support it for certain cases. Money would be better spent preventing people from reaching the point of non-return, through community outreach programs and funding for social cohesiveness.
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>>2703037
You think that if I was an 85 IQ giganigga I'd rather be cooked alive or choked with cyanide than put to sleep instantly? Something that even animals can differentiate between? Are you slow?
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>>2703040
>. There is no redemption for crimes like genocide, treason and murder, people need to know there is a line that should not be crossed
not in the bible
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>>2703033
>It is categorically imperative to be as efficient, fast, and painless as possible in the process of an execution. The aim is to kill, not to inflict pain. If you wanted to inflict pain you can torture them.
Why care?
>no i don't think jews should get preferential treatment
Ever had a neighbor be accused of some serious shit, then get convicted? What about a family member?
>I'd prefer
You are not some psychopathic serial killer. Psychopaths or the people who populate prisons do not live on the emotinal spectrum you or I do, they chose to murder people in a bloody and gruesome way and they deserve no sympathy.
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>>2703051
>I'd at least prefer to be put out of my misery quickly and cleanly
I misread. Assumed you meant you would want to be killed rather than not be killed.
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Atheist
Anti, except in extreme conditions involving political prisoners and POWs
Capital punishment is a waste of resources, it'd be much better to put criminals to work
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>>2703066
>>2703076
If you're doing something, it's correct to do it the way its nature demands of it.
Also just FYI "psychopathy" has nothing to do with subjective pain-aversion. Animals, and the profoundly developmentally disabled still prefer not-pain to pain, to say the least of people with a charitable 11% reduction in orbitofrontal grey matter volume.
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1. Nonreligious, Agnostic Atheist
2. Capital punishment seems attractive, but is inherently wrong due to our ability to verify information.
3. 4% of executed prisoners were later proven to be innocent, a margin much too high. (The FBI made up a forensic method, "follicle matching", in order to convict people for decades.
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>>2702261
>none
>pro
>people who commit violent crime without good reason or rape should be killed. ie man kills man because he was rooting his wife=no death penelty. Nigger kills man because he feels like it=death penelty
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>>2703092
>nature demands of it.
define the way nature demands of it faggot, and tell me in what way Darwinism and Natural law isn't Christian.
>psychopathy has nothing to do with pain aversion
>people with a severe lack in empathy have no difference in their ability to inflict pain on others
Yeah its about time you killed yourself isn't it?
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1. Christian
2. Against
3. It creates a precedent that humans can put other humans to death, which means that they will decide the conditions for it, which humans are notoriously bad at. This degrades the value of human life, which, in my opinion, is the highest value
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1. Atheist
2. Against
3. The state should never have the ability to take away one's life. This is especially problematic seeing that some times the state gets it wrong and kills an innocent man.
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1. None, including all modern religions like "individualism," "humanism," and "liberalism."
2. The fact that some people are killed by the servants of the State shows that this is exactly what they are competent for.
3. Morality is a spook.
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>>2703322
>killing rapists
WTF is wrong with you?
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>>2702261
None
Pro
Because life imprisonment is just a slower, crueler death penalty.
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>>2702607
>Why do studies show that a higher IQ correlates with increased chance of being irreligious?
Not the person you replied to, but there's a strong correlation between high IQ and involvement in academia, which is mostly atheist today.
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>>2703506
>but there's a strong correlation between high IQ and involvement in academia, which is mostly atheist today.
And also white
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>>2702607
>Why do studies show that a higher IQ correlates with increased chance of being irreligious?
Because Autistics excel at pattern matching which IQ tests are mostly based on.
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>>2703529
>"mild"?
Should be defined as extremely.
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>>2703541
mild form AKA assburgers.
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>>2702261
>1. Your religious stance.
Fascist
>2. Your opinion on capital punishment.
It should be an option
>3. Your reasons for #2.
From a purely pragmatic point of view, death penalty is a swift and efficient way to remove undesirable elements from society.
Forced labor and/or reeducation have advantages of their own and are more in line with the idea of repaying the criminal's debt to society.
Being a heartless pragmatic, I think that the decision should be made on a case-by-case basis, taking into account various factors such as the effect on public opinion and value of the criminal's life to society.
e.g. an important scientist who has committed a gruesome murder may be of more value to society alive than dead and would receive different treatment than a scoundrel for whom a conviction for murder is simply the logical end to a life of crime
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>>2703557
>Fascist
>a religious stance
You realize that Mussolini was an athiest, right, or were you being facetious implying that your political and economic doctrines are your religions?
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>>2702261
>agnostic
>pro capital punishment for repeated violent offenders, pedos, rapists
>these people deserve death and its not up to the public to let these people live on our money, criminals need to understand there will be sever punishment for these crimes so they will be more weary of committing them, the prison system wastes time and money by trying to rehabilitate psychopaths and repeat offenders and we all know how that goes. They get released and go back into the community to commit further crimes, rinse wash and repeat
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1. Atheist
2. Anti
3. Not a deterrent
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>>2703564
I would argue that fascism is a fully self contained belief system, which possesses many aspects of a religion to begin with.
Fascims will usually install a state religion of sorts in order to provide a metaphysical framework for society and to uphold virtues.
Whether that religion be Islam, Christianity or even a purpose built religion matters very little IMO.
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>>2703586
>Fascims will usually install a state religion of sorts in order to provide a metaphysical framework for society and to uphold virtues.
Whether that religion be Islam, Christianity or even a purpose built religion matters very little IMO.
Thats... pretty accurate desu, fascist revolutions generally follow that ideal. But the question in the OP refers to your specific religion, so state your religion.
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1. Christian
2. Necessary. Should be swift when chosen.
3. The state is the collective expression of it's people, no matter what the government type itself is. If these people are unable to exact equal punishment for the most vile of crimes, then they will become a diminished and divided people, who go on to create children who never learn consequence. These children may find themselves at the mercy of a court and sentenced to death one day, that sentence should be followed by a swift death. Whether broken by it's society or by it's own hand no condemned creature should endure a prolonged contemplation on it's death - that suffering is the definition of cruelty.
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>>2702261
Orthodox
Against
My stance was cemented after reading the autobiography of my country's top lawyer. His father survived a concentration camp, and through all the death he witnessed he gained a new appreciation of human life. Other factors of my opinion: It's not an effective deterrent. Innocent people get executed too often (in countries with capital punishment), i don't know the exact percent i think it's around 5%, but the margin of error is still too large for me. Thou shalt not kill. I'm religious and i believe it is not up to me (or any other judge) to decide who gets to live or die, it is up to God. Tho i don't plan on becoming a judge (i want to be an attorney).
The only form of quasi corporeal punishment i support is castration of serial rapists.
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Can somebody explain why castration isn't a thing?
>castrated men lose the hormone drive
>don't feel the need to beat up people/break things anymore
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>>2702261
1. Not religious
2. For, but only under certain circumstances
3. There are a lot of problems with capital punishment(such as the higher standard for proof that must necessarily be held when the punishment is irreversible), but on the whole I believe a swift death to be preferable to slow death by spending the rest of your life in prison.
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>>2703650
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
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>>2702261
1. Atheist
2. Against
3a. Because capital punishment inevitably kills some innocent people.
3b. Because I do not think it's a good idea for government to get a taste for human blood, so to speak.
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>>2702261
Atheist
No
We can't rehabilitate them if we kill them
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I really shouldn't need to tell you people this, but at least in the US, capital punishment is MORE EXPENSIVE THAN LIFE IN PRISON. Anyone who's made an argument about "not wanting to pay to shelter criminals in prison" is an idiot.
Anyway.
>>2702261
1. None. Atheist, I guess.
2. Against.
3. Because of what I mentioned above & the possibility of executing somebody innocent (which is generally agreed to have happened several times, although the gov't has never publicly copped to it).
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>>2703424
Nothing. Rape is a very serious crime a i can't think of any justification unlike with murdet
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>>2702261
>1. Your religious stance.
Agnostic
>2. Your opinion on capital punishment.
Generally opposed. Maybe in exceptional circumstances
>3. Your reasons for #2.
The judicial system can never be perfect, and in some cases can be very unfair. You can't undo a death penalty if new evidence comes to light or a witness turned out to be unreliable. Also, death row is an awful thing to put anyone through, of course everyone on it appeals and challenges every step of the way so they undergo years of psychological torture.
Additionally, all that takes a lot of resources, which for me defeats the argument of "we shouldn't pay to keep criminals alive". We pay either way.
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>>2702261
1. Religion is a destructive fiction.
2. Not justified in any circumstance
3. Because 2.
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>>2702795
I'd rather call you intelligent, Anon.
It is strange to me that there are so many atheists in this thread that believe in capital punishment. I mean, if one does not believe in divine retribution, how can one see death as a suitable punishment? In such a world the only real punishment in this case would be the wait until they take your life. Afterwards there is no remorse, no reflection, nothing.
But then surely a life time of reflection, and hopefully, eventually, regret (maybe even attempts to make amends) is a more suiting punishment?
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1. Irreligious
2. Opposed
3. It is inevitable that some of the executed will actually turn out to be innocent, there's no proof that it does anything to deter crime, and it's based in vengeance, which is something that a civilized system of law should stay away from.
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Christian
Anti
Humans have a God-given right to life that should be respected whenever it's possible to. Also there's just too much of a risk in giving the government the power to kill people, both because they can make mistakes and also because it can be used on the innocent.
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>>2703809
Should be more clear that I'm Episcopal, sorry.
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1. unaligned monotheist
2. Opposed
3. The possibility of the wrong person being excited renders it an unacceptable punishment. The state should never have the right to execute it's own citizens.
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Agnostic
People who are proven to not be able to live in society should be exiled.
If people can't live civilised, they should live in a civilised world
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>>2702316
How is it in your cunt?
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>>2702793
Do you think it's honestly to reduce the question of religious education to a purely political one , as though the whole world is germany and France
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>>2702261
1. agnostic
2. It should be applied in rare cases for unforgivable crimes such as: mass murderers, serial rapists, child molesters etc.
3. If you make up the sum of the impact of what someone did, and combine the likelyhood they will repeat their crimes, one can state that the damage done/they will do surpasses the value of their human life, and therefore they should die.
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1) Catholic
2) Against
3) Lot of people have brought up the innocent-after-the-fact thing. In addition, I truly believe that some people can be redeemed, regardless of their crimes.
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>>2702761
>I'm a real atheist because I went through a rebellious faze
>Atheists who actually read academic material by experts, think about the arguments made, and then make their judgement... are not real atheists
wut
>Most atheists are christians who don't go to church
This is just objectively false. You're making up you're own conveniant definition of what an atheist is, in order to validate your own shitty argument.
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>>2703778
Except the point isn't punishment, it is either reform or removal of threats to society. It doesn't matter to an irreligious person if they reconcile if there is no fruit of this reconciliation. The reason why it matters to the religious is because they believe it will affect an afterlife. The system either needs to make them fit for society again or remove them from society. The capital punishment is the most effective way to remove those who are beyond reform.
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>>2703838
???
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Muslim
Pro
that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.
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>>2702421
This.
>>2702432
>communists and muslims
Keep voting capitalism.
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>>2703992
What system does your country have, where this is not the case
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>>2702261
Agnostic
Against in principle
Too many innocent people get murdered by the system
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>>2702261
1. Atheist
2. Against
3. Too much to write, I'm posting from my phone
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>>2704368
What are you even trying to convey?
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>>2703849
>Do you think it's honestly to reduce the question of religious education to a purely political one , as though the whole world is germany and France
If you think it is restricted to those areas then you are EXTREMELY mistaken.
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>>2703777
>1. Religion is a destructive fiction.
You must be over the age of 18 to post here.
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>>2702261
1. Orthodox Christianity.
2. Against.
3. We shouldn't kill anyone, unless it is self-defense, or to prevent terrible crimes from happening. When the criminal is caught - he is defenseless and can't stand for himself. Let them rot in the prison and meet the Court of God after death.
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>>2702261
Catholic
Pro
Because a man that did wrong ought to be treated like he did wrong and not like some sick child
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>>2705496
You can treat someone like he did wrong by just detaining him.
Or: Why not go further and say that he also needs to be tortured?
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1. Christian Deism (hurtling toward Orthodoxy)
2. For (under certain circumstances)
3. Needs to be done efficiently and there cannot be room for doubt.
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>>2702261
>Catholic
>Pro, stop this drugs BS and let's KISS with the guillotine. I support public executions of sexually abusive priests in the Vatican,; let's put the sovereignty to good use.
>Ed Feser said it was OK.
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>>2702261
1.Atheist
2.Against
3.Such a waste of free work force
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>>2702261
1. Atheist
2. Pro
3. Because murderers and rapists are scum who should not be kept alive on tax payer money. They deserve painful death.
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>>2705494
What if the criminal has such control over his cronies than he could keep intimidating the prison guard and maintain control over his gang from the inside of a cell effectively turning it into a fortress in which devious deeds happen and the enforcer are reduced to little corrupt bitches or killed off?
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>>2702517
Because not all people who believe in a religion blindly follow its leaders
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1. Christian
2. Yes
3. It's a waste of taxpayer money to give murderers free room and board for the rest of their lives. I think if you're proven guilty of murder beyond a shadow of a doubt (virtually all of the people acquitted from death row were before modern forensic technology), you should be given like a week to appeal and make peace with your god, and then be trotted out to the gallows.
My own brother is in prison for murder btw. Yes, if I had to make the choice, I would have him executed.
Also, 99% of criminals are not rehabilitated. Once a murderer, always a murderer.
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>>2705494
>let him rot in prison
let him sit in a free hotel room with a shitty roommate for the rest of his life, free from work, taxes, or personal responsibility*
yeah sounds like such a horrible life, Christcuck
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>>2702261
>Catholic
>Against capital punishment
>Religious reasons, along with ethical and economic reasons. Those who would be on death row should instead be in hard work camps, doing maintenance to federal infrastructure under the close watch of armed guards.
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>>2702261
1. It's not the simplest coherent theory.
2. In cases of treason, unjustifiable homicide, and non-consensual sex (minors cannot consent).
3. Because society has the right to protect itself.
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>>2702261
1. Agnostic.
2. Lightly opposed.
3. It may contribute to a "brutalization" effect on society, but I don't lose sleep over it if it is ordained by a court of law and it follows due proccess.
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>>2705723
>It's not the simplest coherent theory.
Maybe not, but you're certainly a simpleton
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>>2705703
>Trust me guys prison is great
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Murder rate
Finland: 2.5
USA: 5
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/United-States/Crime
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>>2705729
thanks anon, since the simplest answer is usually the correct one, I shall accept that as the compliment I know it was intended to be.
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>In 2014 there were 923,348 crimes reported in Texas, including 1,184 murders and 8,236 rapes.[1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Texas#State_statistics
Manslaughter, murder, homicide 111 145 146
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Finland#Statistics
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>>2705775
>misuses Occam's razor
>has already forgotten he described his theory as "not the simplest"
found the brainlet
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>>2705790
>already identified the simpleton
>now finds the brainlet
>flogger of dead horses
>should this line be greentexted?
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>>2705809
>he doesn't enjoy flagellating dead animals
discovered the pseud
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>>2702261
1. Agnostic
2. A dangerous but necessary practice
3. There are some crimes that are so evil that capital punishment is needed to deal with the perpetrator(s). It's dangerous because innocents could be sentenced to death and what constitutes a crime worthy of capital punishment is largely subjective.
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>>2703980
>I'm a real athiest because I tried to purge moral order stemming from religious thought from my daily behavior
Sounds good to me
>the only way to be an athiest is to shit out Richard Dawkins quotes
topkek
>this is just objectively false
No its just something you don't want to admit. Natural Law is Christian as fuck, muh Darwinism is not an argument against religion and belief in the supernatural, and most athiests are just hypocrites.
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>>2702261
1. Atheist
2. Pro in wartime and revolutionary periods
3. Reactionaries need to be dealt with.
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>>2706849
>Reactionaries need to be dealt with.
I think you mean revolutionaries
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1. Fedora Atheist
2. Against
3. The criminal justice system is too flawed to deal with it. DNA evidence has exonerated too many.
>but anon it gives the prosecutor more power to prosecute scumbags
t. everything wrong with said system.
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>>2706869
*chekas you*
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>>2702261
1. Athiest
2. Not sure
3. I don't like the idea of innocent people dying from capital punishment from false charges however I also think it could save money however modern executions can be very expensive. I also feel that many criminals WANT the death penalty but then again that might be projecting.
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>>2702261
1, Atheist
2. Nuanced
3. I think those that we would normally send to the electric chair are instead sent to have medical research performed on them. A meaningless death serves no one. If life-saving medicine can be gained from having criminals tested on, why would we not? If they die from it, then too bad so sad.
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>>2707005
> having criminals tested on, why would we not?
>I'd like, What is the eigth amendment for $300 alex.
>youuuu got it
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>>2702261
1. Atheist
2. Yes
3. Some humans shouldn't be treated like humans because they don't act like humans
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1. Atheist
2. Against
3. No moral problem against painless killing of the worst criminals, but don't want the state to have the power to kill people
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>>2707016
>cruel and unusual
Quite possibly the worst-worded amendment. One could consider it cruel to deny others life-advancing technologies simply to ensure a murderer's comfort. Unusual? Perhaps, but one might consider electric chairs and lethal doses of poison unusual as well.
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1. Atheist
2. Against
3. There's no reason for it in a modern society, the legal requirements and court procedures for it to be done are more expensive than if the scum was left in prison, the possibility of executing an innocent man is ever present, life imprisonment is an infinitely harsher punishment, and execution is allowing the guy to take the easy way out
Just because something was done in the past, in poorer societies that were under great duress, doesn't mean that all "traditions" need to be continued
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>>2707052
>and court procedures for it to be done are more expensive than if the scum was left in prison
What if we just got rid of Death Row, it would make things much faster.
>possibility of killing an innocent man
Worth it in the long run, some people just need to be taken out.
>just because something was done in the past doesn't make it right
exactly which is why we need to bring back public executions, simply going on about "muh traditional reformational system" is not an argument.
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>>2702261
>agnostic
>Up regulations. People who are against it on a moral level are pussies, people who are against it yet consider abortion not killing are most ignorant sheep on earth
>I'm not a pussy and I think convicted murderers should be executed and have their organs donated. If they were properly found convicted with audio/video footage.
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>>2702517
It says that in the event where a society can't reliably contain a violent individual then the death penalty is acceptable.
While this means most/all 1st world nations should not have the death penalty, it does put into question what is so evil about it if 3rd worlders are allowed to use it without moral penalty.
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>>2702261
Shinto
Inhumane but works
Taking someone's life because he or she took another's seems pointless.
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not religious
against it
1 is 1 too many ppl executed innocently
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>>2702261
Catholic
Pro capital punishment
Because fuck the degenerate scum
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>>2702261
>1. Your religious stance.
I don't believe in God, but I deeply hope for a afterlife. I simply can't find any good justification for me to renounce to my atheism: if it's a matter of Faith, well, that's not in me.
>2. Your opinion on capital punishment.
>3. Your reasons for #2.
The question depends entirely on the prison system linked to such a policy. I'm generally against it, but I can think about a few exceptions I could not argue against.
That said, if someone gets a life sentence, I think it would be only fair to give him the chance of committing suicide in the prison facility, through euthanasia. To me a life sentence is even more troubling than capital punishment, which, by the way, is already implied in the life sentence itself.
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>>2702320
tips little boy
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1. I oppose the "gods" of Earth and worship Abraxas, the true God. I am an enemy of yhwh and jesus, of shiva and so on.
2. Sometimes it is necessary.
3. No need to explain, are we dumb?
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1. Irreligious
2. No
3. Because it's killing someone
Duh, just because the government does it does mean killing is acceptable. It's really cognitive dissonance, I'm willing to behead a person as long as the person is in the shape of a turkey.
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Non-religious
Death penalty to some crimes
Because some people are a waste of money and simply cannot be ressocialized.
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>>2707049
>Quite possibly the worst-worded amendment.
No, the constitution was intentionally designed to be vague, that doesn't make it bad. And I'd say it's one of the most important amendments for a civilized society. Better than wasting millions of tax payer money to fulfill pleb blood lust because of "muh justice".
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>>2702261
>Islam
>Yes
>An eye for an eye. Faggot A kills Faggot B so Faggot A has to be killed so he experiences what Faggot B experienced as a Punishment
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