Fourth Crusade

>If it hadn't happened, could the Byzantines have fought off the Turks?
Doubtfully

>Were Westerners concerned and were there any movements to reclaim it?
Yes, after the Bulgars slaughtered the majority of the forth crusade leaders between 1205-1207. Pope Innocent III engaged in yet another streak of communications with the Bulgar ruler sort of playing nice and giving him an imperial crown to appease him and stop him from forming an alliance with the Byzantines.

>>2700648
What was Bulgaria's policy towards the Byzantine Empire? Would they have defended them like in 717, if they didn't get have the internal strife that split their country into three kingdoms?

And why would have the Byzantines lost if they didn't get sacked? Before the Fourth Crusade they were still relatively rich and powerful while the Ottomans were still trying to consolidate their gains.

>>2700887
Bulgarian here, never, EVER trust the eternal B*zantian

>>2700887
Bump for interest

>>2700922
But you helped them during the Byzantine siege of 717. Why?

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>>2700887
Well from what I've read Bulgaria was generally hostile to the Byzantines, but there were times when the two sided together. For example during the Arab siege of Constantinople or later during the time of the Byzantine Empire. Bulgarian rulers would generally ally themselves with the Byzantines when there was internal struggle like a civil war, support a candidate to secure further support down the line. Which is actually quite different from what the Byzantines did when there was internal strife in Bulgaria which was to run it into the ground. So to sum it up, they spend like 600 years at war with each other but there were moments of peace especially when a foreign aggressor
threatened the lands of both realms.
>>2700922
Chill the fuck out and speak with facts and not emotion and wewuzry, that's why people here don't like us.

>>2700936>or later during the time of the Byzantine Empire

The Latin Empire I meant

>>2700926
Well for example because Tervel the guy who helped them got the title Caesar (kaisar) from Justinian II.

>>2700936
>spergautist cant recognize when someone is memeing


>>2700926
well, >>2700945
also, mudslimes were a huge mance back than too, rulers realized that if they manage to overtake Byzantium, they will try to conquer the northern countries too

>>2700354
The Latin empire was the best thing that has happened to Constantinople

>>2701274
Yeah killing all the intellectuals and enforcing feudalism, truly a good thing.

>>2700922
>eternal b*zantian
can't be eternal if they were wiped out over 500 years ago at the very least

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>>2700354

>tfw orthodox are still bitter af about this

>>2701466
And as far as I am aware Catholics got their arses handed to them by those very orthodox guys

>>2701466
t. muslim-feet-kissing-cuckold

>>2701466
Why not? If the cucked as fuck Pope didn't do what he did, we would have had no Turks or mudslimes close to Europe, the heir of Rome would control present day Anatolia and Greece and we would have no """refugee""" problem.

Europe would have been a way happier place

>>2700354
Reminder that fourth crusade was justified
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins
>The Genoese and Pisan communities especially were decimated, and some 4,000 survivors were sold as slaves to the (Turkish) Sultanate of Rum.
byzantines sold catholics as SLAVES to turks
they fucking deserved it

>>2701466
I mean, it's like if Rome got taken by muzzies and the real death blow was delivered earlier by fellow Christians.

Italians would be eternally BTFO

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>>2701859
RULES OF NATURE

>>2701859
>byzantines
Romans, they where Romans. They call themselves Romans. Everyone else call them Romans. Noobs call them imaginary words, but they are Romans.
> fourth crusade
Going to free Holy Land - looting Christian lands and Constantinople.
>they fucking deserved it

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>>2701509
>>2701725
>>2701825
>>2701872
>tfw >>2701466 was right
Byzantiboos were a fucking mistake