How were soldiers motivated to go to war? In war bullets can

>>2694764
Duty.
Hatred.
Want for adventure.

>>2694764
>Muh home.
>Muh nation.
>Muh gawd.
>Muh self defense.
>Muh booty.
>Muh I plain fucking hate you guys.
>Muh Ideology.

>Go into battle:
maybe a 2/5 chance you'll die unless it's a suicide charge

>Refuse
100% chance of dying

>>2694774
Only 100% if you get caught.

Were people really executed AFTER a war for treason? That just sounds too barbaric to be true. Definitely not after WW2.

All you have to do is survive 4-6 years in the woods and buy a newspaper once a year to check if the war is still going on. You can live off the stuff nature is giving you.

>>2694806
Desertion is punishable by death where I'm from.

>>2694764

Coward

I hope you're a woman because otherwise shame on you

>>2694849
>2 politicians don't like each other
>that means millions of men who have no personal animosity should murder each other

Only enemy I would ever fight is the Nazis, because they are horrible.

All other wars can fuck off

>>2694951
You must still be in highschool, no full-grown adult could seriously entertain such a asinine perspective on this matter.

>>2694964
Edgy teenagers actually love war and violence, idiot.

I have to lose a leg just so some economic interests can be protected and rich people get even richer? Only very rarely was any war a legitimate defense war where the survival of the people was threatened.

Often it was about glory and pride and all that other bullshit.

Faggots like you are the reason WW1+2 were so horrible. If more people thought like me it would have been different.

>>2694764
In WW1 it was "Duty"
In WW2 it was "Morality vs Ideology"
In WW3 no one will fight

>>2694992
Just by the very fact of trying to characterize conflicts by '2 politicians don't like each other' you've irrevocably revealed yourself to be profoundly ignorant.

If more people thought like you the only thing that would be different is there would be more idiots bloviating about things they had no clue about.

>>2694764
the value of a life depends on what they do with it. ask yourself how much would your life be worth without the internet.

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>>2694764
Not everyone is a coward and shirker like you

>>2694764
i was told in my public canadian school that nationalism brainwashed people into zombies that hated everything other than themselves

The overwhelming amount of people who go to war get out completely fine.

>>2695120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS1dO0JC2EE

dont get shot...?

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>>2694764
>>2694769
>>2694771


Having met and talked with literally hundreds of vets, from WWI to Korea, the prime motivator in battle seems to be "I don't want to let my buddies down". Unit cohesion, in other words trumps any political or ideological factors.

>>2694992
"IF PEOPLE WERE ALL LIKE ME THE WORLD WOULD BE PERFECT AND I WOULDN'T BE SO LONELY NOT MY FAULT THOUGH IT EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S WRONG"

>>2695124
Yea the overwhelming majority of soldiers don't get shot or blown up.

>>2694951
>the only enemy I would ever fight is nazis

Antifa troll please go

>>2695007
>le war is good xD

Both of you are retarded

>>2694951

I hope you're 13 because otherwise you really ought to consider look at the world realistically.

>>2695138
>le war is good xD
I wonder how could you possibly infer that sentiment from my post.

>>2695026
This.

>>2694806
>>Were people really executed AFTER a war for treason? That just sounds too barbaric to be true. Definitely not after WW2.

My Polish great-grandfather was forcibly drafted to fight in the Russian Japanese war, which ended when he was half-way in the trip there. If he had returned to Poland he would have been shot as a deserter despite not even arriving to the battlefield.

>>2694849
THIS you cuckolded nancy

>>2694849
The need to prove your bravery in front of others is the mark of a true coward. You're the type of guy who gets into a fight with a guy at a bar who makes a passing comment because you're afraid of looking like a pussy.

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>>2694764

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>all the lads in town enlisted but he didn't

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>>2695652
>all the lads got killed and are now being cucked from beyond the grave by Lord Morningwood's sons who avoided the war due to their wealth and influence

>he doen't wanna kill niggas and attain glory

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>>2695742
>yfw the upper class actually took disproportionately high casualties during the Great War because most of Europe was still warrior aristocracies

>>2695635
>>2695134
These

>>2694764

We live in the internet age, and our perspective is very different because of this. We see everything that other countries do, we see all the bullshit going on, so the idea of actually DYING for a country seems pretty crazy. But back then, all of their information came from the media and what they were told...Information was much more controlled.

Roman emperors motivated legionnaires by promising them free anime.

>>2694764
I would argue it's because back then having borders wasn't a taboo and being a citizen actually meant something.

>>2694764
>How were soldiers motivated to go to war?

Bits of metal and scraps of ribbon.

--Napoleon

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>>2694849
>leave everything you know to fight for something you don't understand/doesn't effect you/don't care for and possibly die over because you'd be a coward
this level of dedication is called delusion

>>2694849
>being this deluded

nationalism was a mistake.

>>2694806
cowards like you don't deserve to live

>>2696023
>something you don't understand/doesn't effect you/don't care for
sure is a lot of projection going on here.

>>2694992
>...and rich people get even richer?

Stopped reading there

>>2696111
Not sure if German propaganda, or Soviet army recruitment.

>>2694764

Ignorance and desperation mostly

>>2694764
During european wars, why did no army attempt to kill the monarchs? That would seriously fuck up the stability of their opponent and lead to the collapse of their country.

>>2696489
sets a bad precedent

>>2694764
Watch "The Four Feathers" if you want to get a sense of how people in the late 19th century felt towards men who would not fight.

Nobody particularly cares about being seen as a coward now, but it was a big fucking deal back then when culture was still more focused on class and honor.

>>2694764
You get shot by your officers if you run away.

>>2696285
Polish anti-russian propaganda

>>2694951
>muh evil gnazis
>muh poor innocent jews

>>2694764
In my time of service I helped (by providing security) with creation of 6 co-ed schools, repaired a dam which thousands relied on for water control and electricity, and thwarted dozens of terrorist attacks and killed plenty who would kill innocence for an irrelevant book. We also helped bring peace to the region which increased its economy which will help bring more people out of poverty.

That's a part of war you probably don't think about because you're a child.

Wars are hell
Millions of men brainwashed into hating and killing each other so (((they))) can profit from the war by selling weapons and other materials used for conflict

>>2698450
Lefties are fucking disgusting

>>2696489
If monarchs are free game then the whole system goes to shit

>>2694764
>How were soldiers motivated to go to war?
From the late middle ages up to the modern period soldiers were usually motivated with money. If you participated in a lengthy campaign successfully you had enough money saved to start your own business, repay debts etc. The warfare part was essentially a gamble involving your life and well-being.
From the modern period onwards, nationalism came up, so people went to war as part of a civic duty to their nation.

>>2694951
We should have ended the war before it came to Berlin. We had no buisness destroying what they had.
Today we like to muddy the whole affair up by demonizing the enemy that's no longer around to defend themselves.

There's a lot more to war than idle morality.

>>2699287
>We should have ended the war before it came to Berlin. We had no buisness destroying what they had.
So the Germans could start round 3 after a couple of years?

Fuck you.

>>2699335
Hell no, we could still have demanded their demilitarization, but we should have let them remain Germans.

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War is a part of man's nature, and most things we do are preparation for war. Children love to fight and wrestle with their fathers, and the olympics were originally preparations for war. Men would race in full armour, and compete in javelin throwing, wrestling (which was a semi-religious ritual), and tests of strength. Man is partly selfish and partly charitable, he longs for peace but also clamors for war, he's cowardly and deceitful to a degree but can also show immense displays of courage and dignity. Ironic leftists iit who can only deconstruct things, and scoff at things like "family", "comradeship", "duty", etc. will find themselves longing for these things in their life. And leftist governments are always disappointed when they assume power, since they realise that their "ideal man" who is born good and manipulated by elites, is in fact a delusion.

These things, honor, duty, sacrifice, etc. give people meaning in their lives. You could sit in front of a television eating junk food, an say "nothing matters, thank God I don't have to exert myself in the slightest. I can sit here, and drink my beer, and watch pornography, and I don't have to think or aspire to anything great in my life. My life is just one single meaningless moment in an eternity of nothingness." And you can rot in mind, body, and soul. But that is your own weakness, and you can stay in the herd with your petty little ego.

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>>2699440

I'd gladly go fight ISIS, but my government has their thumbs of their asses.

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>>2699457
Why do people think posting images of socially awkward teenagers trying to look edgy is ever a valid argument? Say "he wears le hat and owns le Japanese sword" is never an argument against Atheism, Morality, Christianity, et cetera.

>>2699533
You posted a picture of Greek pottery,of le ebin knights templar eastern orthodox based crusading monks so you shouldn't think too much into it. Because he romanticizes the aesthetics of this phenomenon (The "Catholicism in the Medieval period was basically WH40k" aesthetic) any aesthetics that disagree with this phenomenon are bad and you are bad for not agreeing with his taste.

>>2699582
not of*

>>2699582
I'm sorry but what are you saying?

>>2696111
>>2696285
>Do you want let the same thing to happen with your women and girls?

>Resist against Bolshevism with full forces

>>2694992
if people thought like you testosterone wouldnt exist

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>>2695762
>yfw they simply killed themselves and exported their wealth to new aristocracy in America

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>>2694764

You were drafted. You were told that your country was in need, and that it was your patriotic duty to kill the enemy. If you refused, you would be jailed for cowardice. And if you tried to run away after that, you'd be hung for desertion. Pacifists who objected to the war on moral grounds would be publicly humiliated, called traitors, cowards, and worse. Besides that, many young men joined voluntarily because their friend had been drafted and they want to fight alongside their friend, even if it meant dying with them. And on top of all that, you'd be fed a nice steady stream of propaganda to convince you that the people you're fighting are the absolute scum of the earth, inhuman savages worthy of neither mercy nor pity.

>>2698385
This doesn't really speak of the futility of war, but rather of how shitty the front lines were.

Not to mention that Owen was biased since he was a soldier himself and showed no signs of seeing the bigger picture.

>>2694764
What I wanna know is what drives men to do blatantly suicidal shit with no spiritual motivation. Like a mercenary being the first on a ladder up to a wall with a dozen axes waiting just for you to poke your head up and smash it instantly if you even make it that far

>>2698538
Is this supposed to be moving?

>>2699287
>We should have ended the war before it came to Berlin
The Americans sat waiting on the Elbe for a month with journalists taking joy rides in army jeeps unopposed into Berlin's suburbs. They had ample opportunity to surrender.

>>2700829
See, the thing, the man who wrote that had actually been to war, instead of just sitting in front of a computer jerking himself off to muh superior intellect

>>2694764
plenty of reasons all described earlier in the thread, and they vary from culture to culture.

commons reasons include:

the pay/benefits are great compared to what one might have with their level of credentials. this was especially so for medieval serfs/peasants who couldn't even dream of having money/clothing as nice in the military as they would working in a field or textile plant.

Society and social standards value military service as something to be honored and one would be looked down on for refusing to serve, and to not let your peers down by living up to that standard. Social pressure to join is one of the bigger factors.

the want/need to protect your home/family/friends by defending your nation when under attack.

a chance to raise one's personal status or obtain a chance at glory, with more influence in higher circles because of military service, especially as a professional career choice.

personal sense of adventure and daring, people do enjoy risking their lives for something that is larger than themselves like their nation, religion, or ideology.

and far more dishonorable reasons such as loot one can steal, women they can fuck/rape, or in rarer cases, just plain bloodlust and hatred for the enemy party.

>>2694764
Watch this.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=m0m573MxXXw

>>2698210
You didn't help anybody and the country you helped is worse off than it was before. Probably.

>>2694764
The ignorant glorify it, lowbrow entertainment promotes it, and simpletons consume it.

>>2694764

Warriors got booty and the chance to fuck far more women than in their shitty provincial town.

They got to spread their genes with a far higher frequency than the average person, if they survived.

So you have a frequency of genes that promote tribal collaboration and war spreading all around. War wouldn't exist if it didn't provide some means of perpetuating itself in phenotypical behaviors and inclinations aka if it didn't spread itself via genes coding for said behaviors and inclinations.

War and peace provide different payoffs to different agents in society.

>>2701732
>>2699440
>>2700323
War is a hellish experience, and if you really fought in one you wouldn't think it was so manly and noble anymore. I watched my friends die. I watched children run over like it's nothing.

If you would wish my fate on other men, you deserve a fucking beating. I wouldn't wish war on my worst enemy.

t. veteran who served two tours in Afghanistan and actually knows what he's talking about

>>2701853
Danku 4 ur servicce :DDdD

>>2701853
You didn't enjoy killing muslims?
That's why you went after all.

Because they all thought they're going to win and survive

Pure ideology.

>>2701853

It is a hellish experience and paradoxically, intensified by the almost disconnected nature of it in modern society.

You go somewhere and follow some shitty bureaucracy for a war that is neither done for the ancient ideals of glory and booty nor for purely defense reasons. You go to war under rationalizations that seem insane but which merely means the government gives out more of the public purse to cronies.

Then you go back to society and there's a vast inability of people to really understand how stupid and hard military life can be.

Ancedote: I went to a VA event in LA. They passed out rocks with the words "Peace" emblazoned on them and a little sticker that said "Made in China" on the back.

And people wonder why veterans have higher rates of PTSD nowadays. It's not only the intense situations, it's the meaningless of being under the thumb of a bureaucracy and the complete tone deafness of civilians.

>>2694764
>How were soldiers motivated to go to war?
Enfranchisement in the political structure, money, nationalism, loyalty to a cause (typically tied into enfranchisement of some sort) or all of the above.

>dying for the state

How cucked do you have to be, man?

>>2701962

2/3rds of military jobs are support to a 1/3rd that actually consists of boots on the ground or operators of some vehicle.

It's pretty easy to get a non-combat job, if you have a decent ASVAB score.

>>2701853
>Afghanistan
>War
Pick one

>>2698210
But that wasn't why we went to war, it was merely an incidental benefit. We still killed thousands and created human suffering on an unfathomable scale.

>>2701962
Most American militarymen enlist for the economic benefits and job security.

>>2702063

Pretty much. Also the US pretty much guarantees military protection to Europe and Japan. Which means those regions have economies backed up by the USA. So they don't have to spend a large part of GDP on security.

Not to mention destabilizing the ME so that Saudi Arabia will never have to face a direct conflict from another nation.

And our Navy backs oceanic trade routes with the Air Force and Army backing up land routes.

>>2702074
This is a meme.

South Korea and Taiwan industrialized rapidly while spending large amounts of their GDP on their militaries.

>>2702197

It's not a meme, it's just been part of US policy post-WWII.

South Korea made a reflective decision to focus on producing high-quality people, as they had no substantial natural resources to crutch upon.

Taiwan I'm unfamiliar with.

But US subsidizing the economies of Europe and Japan via bases and projecting military power has been a very real factor in geopolitics for the past 70 or so years.

Soldiers are motivated because going to war for their country benefits their family and community.

Even if it was a 100% chance of death which it is not, wouldn't you like to die knowing that you died for a cause and not because it is the easy way out like a cuck that asked Stacey to prom while Chad's dick was in her mouth.

On top of everything being drafted or joining the military not everyone goes to battle, more than 3/4 are supporting the infantry in any branch of any military.

If being drafted was so bad everyone that was drafted in all wars would off themselves right when they found out they were drafted.

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>>2694806
>All you have to do is survive 4-6 years in the woods

>>2694806
There's no statute of limitation on desertion lad. If any of those people that draft dodged Vietnam by fleeing to Canada come back they're going right to prison.

>>2694764
Only a fraction of soldiers died in wars. Ww2 only germany and Russia had a deathcount above 25%. But this should be obv

>>2701741
It's not that, it's the fact he's posting the same poem over and over again to provoke an emotional response and nothing else.

>>2696023
You wont understand, sorry.

>>2695742
>all of the lads survived and got home to their girls and the draft dodger still isn't getting any

>>2696463
How high of a dose is this really? I'm sure it's stronger than a 30MG addy but it can't actually be as strong as crystal meth, right? Not that I actually know what the latter is like, but I think at that point you're far exceeding any practicality.

>>2698210
Your "service" did nothing but legitimate the cause of terrorism, and further destabilize the middle east. You are a pirate, paid for by the Washington mafia racket.

You are just some sister fucking, tobacco chewing, duck dynasty watching NASCAR fan, who enlisted in order to role play as G.I. Joe, and compensate for your micro-penis by slaughtering fellaheen for Israel. Hurrah!

>>2703420
What about China you dumb fuck

>>2705619
This is blatantly nonsensical. You never have a case where "all the lads return home" and even if they did the draft dodger would still have the chance to fuck some the "lads" wives simply because women tend to not like being married to cripples/ptsd cases. Not to mention all the women who are perfectly willing to get a little on the side from the only man in town while the "lads" are away.

>>2699346
>we could still have demanded their demilitarization

this

it worked great the first time and couldn't possibly go wrong

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>>2695134
>Having met and talked with literally hundreds of vets, from WWI to Korea, the prime motivator in battle seems to be "I don't want to let my buddies down". Unit cohesion, in other words trumps any political or ideological factors.
Simplification. In reality its a lot load of factors.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people who left their countries to fight for ISIS did so in shit that is not limited to "I don't want to let my buddies down."