Thoughts?

>>2694410
Simplification but many adopt this view often to push for an agenda.

For example: the idea of cyclical history was somewhat necessary for Chinese dynasties due to:
1) Newborn dynasties tend to Justify how "heaven has chosen them to rule" via a fulfillment of the Dynastic cycle and.
2) Contribute to the image of continuity of the Chinese Empire.

>>2694410
Yeah that's why all those hard times in developing countries are really causing them to push the envelope of human development and civilization.

>>2694410
>muh decadence and degeneracy
We live in an unprecedented period of peace and that is why we enjoy such a high level of prosperity after the most recent world war. Every other time we've had hard times, people lived horribly for decades dealing with the war damage and rape.

>>2694425
This.

It's why somalians are the paragons of humanity.

>>2694436
>It's why somalians are the paragons of humanity.

Don't people talk about how Sweden is the apex of how a country should be?

>>2694443
>Sweden protects freedom of speech and was a pioneer in officially abolishing censorship. A number of restrictions remain such as child pornography, hate speech and libel. Cinema films are subject of advance censorship, otherwise there is an afterwards legal process if applicable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Sweden

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"Finland. According to Reporters Without Borders' Press Freedom Index for 2013, Finland is ranked as the best nation in the world when it comes to press and speech freedom. ... Throughout Finland's history the media has played a huge role in shaping the country's politics and keeping the government accountable." Apr 30, 2014

>Following a “voluntary law” [2] enacted by Finnish parliament on 1 January 2007, most of the Finland’s major Internet service providers decided on 22 November 2006 to begin filtering child pornography, and ISPs first started filtering in January 2008. The Ministry of Communications has commented that filtering is voluntary for ISPs as long as they do not refuse. The blacklist is provided by Finnish police and should contain only foreign sites. Technically filtering was planned to be URI based, like the United Kingdom’s Cleanfeed, but so far implementations have been DNS based.

>A majority of these censored Internet sites, however, do not actually seem to be censored by the Finnish ISPs due to actual child pornography, but due to “normal” adult pornography instead. Most of the known sites are also located in EU or United States where child pornography is strictly illegal anyway. Two-thirds of the Finnish Internet censorship list of the filtered domains were collected on lapsiporno.info,[3] the homepage of Matti Nikki, a Finnish activist criticizing Internet censorship in the European Union and especially in Finland. On 12 February 2008, Nikki’s page was also added to the National Bureau of Investigation’s blacklist (Wikinews article). As the list was compiled using links from pornography sites, this list does not tell anything about the last third of the blocked sites.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Finland

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>>2694410
>hard times create strongmen
Plausible premise, we'll run with it.

>strongmen create good times
highly debatable. How many dumb strongmen before you get a smart strongman capable of engineering good times? Could easily get stuck in that stage. Might even lead to weak men due to fucking attrition and evwntual civilisational collapse.

The whole theory falls apart already at step 2.

"Nearly all of North Korea's Internet traffic is routed through China. Since February 2013, foreigners have been able to access the internet using the 3G phone network provided by Koryolink. ... Kim Jong-il was said to have loved 'surfing the net'."

>Internet access is available in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea), but only permitted with special authorization and primarily used for government purposes and by foreigners. The country has some broadband infrastructure, including fiber optic links between major institutions.[1] However, online services for most individuals and institutions are provided through a free domestic-only network known as Kwangmyong, with access to the global Internet limited to a much smaller group.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea

>>2694410
meme since those phases can last several generations

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>Iranians can sometimes access 'forbidden' sites through proxy servers, although these machines can be blocked as well. In 2003, the United States began providing a free proxy server to Iranian citizens through its IBB service Voice of America with Internet privacy company Anonymizer, Inc. The proxy website changes whenever the Iranian government blocks it.[24]

>However, even the U.S. proxy filters pornographic websites and keywords. "There's a limit to what taxpayers should pay for," an IBB program manager was quoted as saying.[24] The forbidden keywords are controversial—banning "gay" effectively bars access to a host of gay and lesbian sites—and have had unintended consequences. The banning of "ass", for example, blocks access to the website of the United States Embassy.[25] A complete list of the blacklisted keywords on the American server can be found here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Iran

>>2694425
it is true, though
look at what the cold war did for science and technology
those advancements were a result of "hard times", with an arms race and a space race.
the fact is, fierce competition boosts progress and urgency boosts problem solving

>>2694559
"Strong men" doesn't just mean physical strength. It means men who are capable, overall. Responsible, smart, hard-working, Etc.

Where did this quote originate?

>>2694648
Islam.

>>2694618
So essentially all that we can conclude is that human beings like to procrastinate on everything and then really put all their cards on the table before the breaking point. The same (personal cynicism) will happen with climate change.

>>2694521
>press and speech freedom
Disgusting trivialities. But mongols and nordcucks gonna mongol and nordcuck.

>>2694680
I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself. —Oscar Wilde

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men (1 Corinthians 6:9)

>>2694644
>>2694410

Gengis khan didn't create good time.

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

>>2694717
But he had a plenty of good times and also raised his wife's son like a true alpha.

>>2694410
Cyclical history is in itself reductionist and determinist and liked by plebs who don't want to understand history, rather they want a fantasy of history to appease themselves or to prop up their views.

>>2694644
It really depends on how you define "strongmen" and "good times". It's subjective as fuck.

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So after the great European civil war we will regain our position as proud and clean respectful power again?

>>2694410
Retarded simplification of complex concepts.

>>2694739
As cocksleeves to the BBC.

1 Timothy 1:15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst.

>>2694745
Always bet on britain baby

>>2694674
Procrastination is love,
Procrastination is life

>>2694410
That's literally an image from stormfront, in case the shitty pseudo-gothic font didn't tip you off.

As for counter-examples, you should just read up on Cato the Elder and the hellenization of the Roman elites circa second Punic war. The men which had in fact raised Rome to its true greatness were all boyfucking, winedrinking, poetry-reading degenerates who were despised by true Romans who preferred a more rustic and humble lifestyle.

Then you have the Mughal empire which was built by a bisexual pederastic winedrinking, drug-addicted poet Babur. You can read about it in his memoirs.

On the other hand you have guys like the Pashtuns in Afghanistan who have had to endure some of the hardest conditions for like 2000 years, and they've only built two empires, both of which lasted for like 40 years. You've probably never heard of these empires though, so you can guess how relevant they were. They've failed to even create a state before 1700s ffs.

>>2694465
>Sweden protects freedom of speech
>but not 'hate speech'
the cognitive dissonance is astonishing

>>2694410
Leftists hate it because it forces them to confront their own profligacy. Theybhate to be reminded that they're like trustfund kiddies who blow their inheritance on partying and confidence men.

>>2694521
>the media has played a huge role in shaping the country's politics
Isn't this a bad thing? Like very bad? I don't media conglomerates 'shaping politics'

>>2694735
stop making it one word you retard

>>2695042
Cato delenda est. He was such a nasty, bitter cunt. I can almost understand the hatred for Carthage but what he did to ol' scipio is fucking disgusting. Dropped.

>>2694717
He did for the Mongols you mong, nobody ever said "good times" had to be universal.

>>2695062
Cato the younger was better desu
he was too pure for this world

>>2694410
Ironically it's not based on any real history.

>>2694410
source? like, literally any source?

>>2695169
>muh fall of rome

>>2694726
He still ended up cucking thousands of men. His seed is eternal now.

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>>2694410

>>2694410
If this is true a couple questions:

Will hard times in Iran, North Korea, the US, Mexico, Somalia, Honduras, El Salvador, Venezuela, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Guatemala, Haiti, Yemen, Sudan and other african shitholes mean these places will produce good times?
And which countries are those currently in the strong men in good times part?

>>2695203
>the 50s to the 80s were right libertarian
ok

>>2694410
America never had hard times
Russia never had good times no matter how strong they got
France was strong because of their good time
UK became strong when their people dressed like foppish faggots
Germany always experience tough times any time they get strong

so that images doesn't really apply to western history

>>2695212
The 80's basically were (economic deregulation)
The 50's-80's was a full cycle of its own though
>50's:Still strong men, good times
>60's: Good times, great economy, wages rising, however, weak men increasing with hippy generation (all about partying, drugs, rejection of authority)
>70's: Moderately hard times, recessions and stagflation
>80's: kind of just jumps back to decent times and you see more people get their shit together, more respect for work and authority
Then you enter the 90's with more good times until 2008 and so it continues.

Really this whole thing can just be seen as a very general social lens to put over the expansion-recession macroeconomic cycle.

>>2695231
How is rejection of authority weak? Isn't that the opposite, to take command of your own decisions and not be beneath the heel of others?

>>2695231
50s were prosperous because of the New Deal which was the least Right Libertarian policy in America's history (next to the Great Society)

>>2695239
>How is rejection of authority weak?
How are children throwing a temper tantrum strong?

>>2695244
>New Deal
>prosperity
>not an economic clusterfuck that delayed our recovery from the Depression
Lulz

>>2695255
>muh book written by hack

50s was command-leaning mixed economy as fuck (though it helped that America owned 80% of the world's economy)

>>2695250
So all those protests in Commie countries were started by weak men? Are revolutions for weak men?

>>2695231
>USA is the only country in the world

>>2695274
What protests in commie countries?
The Czech one that was crushed by tanks?
SO STRONK!

>>2695265
>50s America
>command economy
lol

>>2695288
East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and many others.

It's a shitty simplification.
Furthermore people who post this shit are often people who think Nazism was ''good time''.

>>2695301
Oh so you mean the ones that only accomplished anything because the Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse.

>>2695311
Nazis WERE a good time.
For Nazis.
Until the eternal Anglo showed up and spoiled the party anyway.

>>2695311
Nazis produced a good time where half their country was taken by the communists, most of their Berlin women were raped by said communists, their country was striped and depraved of power, and generations later were forced to live in shame over this event.

good times good times.

>>2695324
>Russians are anglos

>>2695250
If they are successful and overthrow them they are proving themselves to be stronger.

>>2695329
Ivan couldn't have done what he did if he weren't backed by Anglos thirsty for Aryan blood.

>>2695343
So you're saying it's not the act of resisting authority that is a indication of strength in itself then?

>>2695347
keep telling yourself that
>I am the master race I'm the fittest of every human!
>dies in winter because Ivan adapted better

can't make that shit up

>>2694755
I think that's always bet on black

>>2695365
>Dies in winter because the Russians were able to keep their supply lines moving with free American trucks
ftfy

>>2695055
This

>>2695362
It still is the act too. It's better with results, but even so it's more heroic to fight for your ideals than to stay with your head lowered.

>Strong fucker wants a strong people
>overthrows weak government to put people back into shape
>Strong fucker decides that that government is weak
>overthrows it to put people back into shape
>Strong fucker thinks that the new government is weak
>overthrows
>repeat until everyone realize that their state as no foundations, their population is low with no intelligent people because of all the purges, their economy is in shambles because they invested it all in the civil wars, and the only people living in the country right now are pussies who survived because they are pussies that bows to every "strong" guy that pops up
>not as strong country conquers them and installs puppet government that controls them from now on because they aren't niggers who believe strength is better than having a competent government and political infrastructure that can get shit done.

>>2694410
Seriously though it's amazing how much of a fuss leftists kick up over this. It just boils down to "If you work hard you will succeed, if you slack off people who work hard will dominate you and the only way to escape their dominance is to work harder than them.", yet somehow this statement that would be uncontroversial at any other point in history is literally worse than Hitler.

It really speaks volumes toward the mentality of the common leftist, always looking for excuses to justify acting like a lazy bum and explain away their failures.

>n-no y-you're oversimplifying t-things
Put down the weed pipe and get a job hippies.

>>2695385
If your ideals are anti-heroic how can it be heroic to fight for them?

>>2695396
The problem is that the people who DON'T work hard usually dominates

Like our president is an old money faggot who bankrupted his company. He's in every definition a weak man but he wins anyway.

>>2695416
>Trump
>old money
Oh for fuck's sake...

>>2695396
>the engine of cyclical history

>>2695210
Not him but I can provide a somewhat personalized example for India and the ONGC if anyone's interested.
Although that has something to with a few colonial institutions.

>>2695422
Just a small loan of a million dollars :^)

>>2695218

You're not looking at from the right persepctive or timespan

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Fake.

>>2695061
weakman detected

>>2695189
>did a DNA test for fun
>tfw belong to Central Asian haplogroup theorized to be the seed of Genghis Khan
>tfw my ancestor was a filthy horsenigger

>>2694410
Sounds about right. We're basically back to the 1900/1910's, and one major depression / food shortage away from New Man ideology coming back in force.

>>2694577
and?

>>2694410
Heavily reliant on environment over individual effort.

>>2695250
>How is prepping the bull weak?

>>2696273
If you weren't weak you wouldn't be in the position of having to resent prepping the bull in the first place now would you?
Notice how the bull doesn't have to "take a stand" against prepping you.

In order to reject authority in the first place, one must already be in an inferior position where you recognize the possibility of a superior authority over your own. You can't prep a bull that doesn't exist.

>>2694739
You had two, the first one ended European dominance in the world and the second cut Europe in half. In other words, you're full of shit.

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>>2696169
To add, it vaguely forgets about how nobles, successful merchants, royalty and priests up to the 1500's were basically the only ones with time, ability, resources and reason to actually study.
Also vaguely forgets about success-stories from times that may not need to be considered harsh.
It's basically

>"Hey, Rome fell despite being powerful, your rich western country could follow the same fate if you don't do X for party Y!"

Now one could try to change things before hard times even start, or not even change things for the better when there's a threat of that to begin with, and thus create a harsh environment for one's-self on it's own while making one's situation better, thereby making one's-self strong on one's own initiative and situation.

Luxury brings degeneracy because it sometimes breeds people who don't expect that there isn't much to improve and sees life as a giant gamble in which that all good and bad things that happen, happen because "That's the order of things" rather than the individual reasons that they do so.

Point is: Don't wait for shit to hit the fan if you want to become a better person, be it more virtuous, stronger, braver, smarter and so on.

This poster serves an Ideological agenda (sniff) in which world changing or highly competent and stalwart people (or people described by the Great man theory) can only get to work and enter this world in times of chaos when sometimes it actually doesn't have to happen and it is actually they who bring in the chaos.

Bonus point: Rich people are gearing up while we in the middle-class and maybe even the lower ones are probably the ones wallowing harder in "Degeneracy" considering the stories I've heard of rich kid parents pressuring their them to get good grades,eat well, train and join the army. While we're the ones with nourishment issues.

https://archive.is/zrEAG
https://archive.is/NhdkX

Take all I posted with a grain of salt.

muh STRONK men

This is bullshit made up by violent authoritarians (especially Islamists and fascists) to justify their rule.

>>2694591
Fucking kek at that Puritanism

>>2694410

Perfectly wrong.

Good times create good men create good times.

Great men create bad times create great men.


The choice isn't 'stuff or no stuff' it's 'who gets the stuff'.

>>2694711
Fuck your kingdom then faggot.

>>2694724
Fuck your law too christcuck.

>>2696608
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:10)

>>2695203
nice meme

>>2694674
>and then really put all their cards on the table before the breaking point.

I think that unlike war, global warming lacks the sense of urgency.

You get a war/national conflict, it's like a frog getting dropped into hot water. Global warming is like gradually heating it. By the time we start really noticing how fucked we are, it'll probably be too late to fix it, and it'll all be damage control.

>>2696599
>Good times create good men create good times.

Good times creates weak men

On the small scale in the US the success of American industry after WW2 gave birth to good times that the baby boomers were born into.

On the large scale the good times of European success through Monarchy and Christendom gave birth to the men that created democracy and everyone born into democracy(weak men)

>>2694425
What you're seeing in the third world is the very best these people are capable of.

Living in hard times can't fix being born black.

>>2696519
>This poster serves an Ideological agenda (sniff) in which world changing or highly competent and stalwart people (or people described by the Great man theory) can only get to work and enter this world in times of chaos when sometimes it actually doesn't have to happen and it is actually they who bring in the chaos.

I don't see it that way at all.
My take on it isn't that highly competent people can only act in hard times, my take is that hard times are the kick in the pants that gets slackers up and moving and turns them into competent people, or kills them.

Hard times are the rock bottom that addicts talk about where they've finally had enough of their own degradation and make a change.

>>2696599
>Great men create bad times create great men.
What the hell does that even mean?

>>2696678
>Good times creates weak men

How do you reckon? By malnutrition? Lack of education?

Should you raise your children according to this philosophy? Like, abandon them on the street immediately for their own good?

>>2696711

Name me one historical figure who earned 'the Great' without conquering anyone.

Great is the opposite of good.

>>2694410
It's a very narrow assumption.

It begins with the assumption that there are "good times" and "bad times", "weak men" and "strong men".

The industrial revolution, for example, was no revolution by any "good" standard. Wage-hours went up to 100/wk. This hardening of men, the creation of an industrial work-ethic, lead to "good" times, where people assumed they had it good because they got more bang for their buck; individually, it was better for all; collectively, it caused more conflict. Communism broke out during "good times", because of class conflict. We're having a racial conflict, because while today is relatively easier on the people than the industrial era, social conflict occurs because of equality.

Mind you, I said "Equality", not "Inequality".
Africans were docile during the slavery era. When slavery was abolished, that made the black man equal to the white man. What happened because of that?
Racial division, colored bathrooms, back seat of the bus, protests, racial attacks, etc. Eventually, Martin Luther King stood up to the racism and made a difference. And guess what? We're even MORE conflicted now that blacks are all free and have equal opportunities, and women can vote.

In a society where everyone is equal, nobody is equal, and there's always conflict.

Conflict is just a byproduct of our aggression. Aggression isn't vestigial; it serves a purpose. We aggress or become anxious, because we have a need to be either alpha or beta. We either slide into submission and become beta (flight), or we try to test our social standing (fight) and become alpha. If we live in a society that doesn't like aggression (a marxist society, or any society following the capitalist model), then we ease our aggression through competition or activism (conflict hype).

>>2694410
Spenglerian theory > cyclical theory

>>2694429
>we live in a period of peace
Who is "we"?

>>2696752
>winning
>bad
This is the exact attitude that brings about hard times.

>>2696762

Give us the one post description of Spengler's theory?

>>2696771

The part where winning is defined as 'stole the most'.

Winning to reasonable people is 'has more than they had'. In society run by great men, great men have more than they had, and everyone else has less.

Winning to unreasonable people is 'has more than the other guy'. In a society run by good men, unreasonable people feel like they're losing even as they're winning.

>>2696791
Sounds like a load of commie bullshit to me m8, sorry. You're basically claiming the Russian people would have been better off if Catherine the Great didn't do whatever she did to earn the appellation she got.

I don't buy it.

>>2696849

There are two exceptions, Alfred and Catherine won 'great' by building, and even then did a lot of destroying.

I'm claiming that when the definition of 'success' is 'has more stuff than neighbors', you are living in a society that would just as happily destroy their neighbor as create more stuff.

>>2696779
"We're fucked"

>>2696901

Wow no.

Spengler was writing at a time when he was still a quarter of a millennium from his predicted end-stage of western civilization. He didn't write about oil, so he can't know that the West is powered by fossil fuels, not the superiority of the Western Idea.

>>2696915
Hey leftist please kys

>>2696915
>He didn't write about oil, so he can't know that the West is powered by fossil fuels, not the superiority of the Western Idea.

If he were still alive, he'd (might) argue that it was the Western Idea that was able to find petroleum and put it to society-wide use. He'd (might) also try to argue that unless oil is limitless, it's only more degeneracy and decadence before the tap stops. And then when (or if) it runs out, the hangover will begin.

>>2696930
He's not a materialist to start with so he wouldn't make the oil argument.

>>2696936

He's not a materialist? Well into the trash it goes.

Analyzing the distribution of genes amongst whole populations would give us a far better idea of "what's going on".

I heard an argument that Rome was founded by men with low-time preference. As the republic grew, men with high-time preference had both better luck in surviving in a city where the needs of man could either be stolen or taken.

More dark triad types thrived as Rome grew to be the biggest city in the world. But on top of this, the complexity of the "Rome" system grew more unmanageable. Finally the costs of keeping up Rome, and dark triad types creating winner-takes-all social, economic, and political systems, grew larger than the ability of the population to maintain.

>>2696930
>If he were still alive, he'd (might) argue that it was the Western Idea that was able to find petroleum and put it to society-wide use. He'd (might) also try to argue that unless oil is limitless, it's only more degeneracy and decadence before the tap stops. And then when (or if) it runs out, the hangover will begin.

How would you describe the Western Idea?

>>2696978
Historical materialism is the most brainlet tier ideology this civilization has ever produced

>>2696994
Will to power

>>2697018

I'd have gone for a different line, but that one works.

And the Judeo-Islamic 'Magian' Idea?

>>2696994

Well that's why I'm not an idealist. Honestly, the catholic church deserves credit for being immensely greedy bastards and stopping the practice of cousin marriage in Europe.

>>2697015

Not really. It's the opposite of brainlet to examine how genes provide "code" that's turned into an expressed phenotype and the frequency which it pops up in a population.

Time preference is a good example. Low time preference is an indication of a person withholding pleasure until a goal is completed. High time preference is an indication of "impulsivity". Genes that code for these factors are distributed amongst a population.

>>2697041
CONT

I really hope biohistory shines as a field in the next 20-30 years.

>>2697041
>Well that's why I'm not an idealist. Honestly, the catholic church deserves credit for being immensely greedy bastards and stopping the practice of cousin marriage in Europe.

Idea, not ideal. Spengler describes a 'civilization' as being based on some idea about how civilization works, a normally unvoiced idea. For the west, it was 'you can do anything', for Jews and Muslims, it was 'you must obey god', the other ones are hard to remember or even google for.

>>2697041
>>2697056
CONT

now where you get traditional history is examining how social, economic, and cultural factors affected the frequency of genes coding for certain sensitives and behaviors and patterns of grouping.

If Pol Pot says "Kill the intellectuals", you get the erasure of lots of genes coding for supernormal verbal, visual, and abstract intelligence.

>>2697041
>brainlet armchair genomics isn't brainlet

loooool manchild

>>2697059

Yeah. It's something to consider for sure. But I think erasing cousin marriage was far more influential than any single societal vision. But that's my opinion and is easily susceptible to contrary information.

>>2697064

>>2694410
>this unironically reductionist

>>2697065

Well that's just like your opinion man.

Do you think examining historical gene frequencies is less useful than taking people at their word? I'm betting that it's far more useful. But at the same time I have to tamper it with SEC effects on particular behaviors (and thus, distributions of certain genes).

>>2694410
This weirdo cyclical theory has the problem that it doesn't apply to the vast majority of human history (I'm not saying all of human history because I don't know all of human history, I doubt it applies anywhere, but I don't know for certain), so I don't quite understand how it could become this popular with some people.

It's as if a some of the people here honestly valued hollow earth theories. It's baffling.

>>2694421
The picture ignores the factor of foreign invaders.

When I was in junior high, my friend, a class clown type, told me he figured out a rule to memorize how Northern Zhou replaced Northern Qi

He said "The invaders from the west were always tough. The dynasty in the east were always weak. After the invaders came to the east and made their own dynasty they became weak too and were replaced by another invader"

That's a common impression we people had

>>2697095

The invasions of Europe by nomadic peoples was the result of a chain reaction across Central Asia, as Chinese response to their nomad problem literally forced them all away.

>>2697090
It's simple, easy to put on a bumper sticker, and easier to spew without a real argument on 4chan. Of course they'd all go for it.

cyclical history is only used by third-world shitskins who wants an excuse not to modernize

>>2698221
Yet here we have a poster fascists love to post because
>muh country-cleansing civil wars!

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>>2697095
Except foreign invaders of China DO BUY INTO the cyclical history to become part of the Imperial identity & narrative.

>"Lyl, you guys were declining and our invasion succeeded and brought peace and order to you guys so ooobviously, Heaven has chosen us to be your rulers. We Emperor of China now."

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>>2696706
Ah yes, slackers.

Honestly, I'd say the 'slackers' at worst are either 'doing nothing' or 'wasting space'.

But considering that the majority of people are employed and that every-time a country has a NEET problem or unemployment issues, it's usually a disproportionate number.

It's like what Jordan Peterson loves to repeat, "We got people with lots of personal problems who wake up and go to work every day to keep our society running! And that's one of the miracles of modern times we refuse to see."