What is so great about 50s era? or it is just an overhyped meme?

>>2692576
Last decade where strong families and community were valued

>>2692576
yes and no
the rest of the world was basically bombed to smithereens and caused an artificial labor shortage, the "I painted garages all summer and paid for college out of pocket" and "I worked in a factory and made enough for a house, a spouse, 2.1 kids and a dog" effect that suckers the right and the left alike in America

crime and "degeneracy" (births out of wedlock, teen pregnancy, STDs, cretinism, lead poisoning, genuine political subversion and racial violence) were unmistakably worse in the 50s, but the economy and Jello industry was booming so hard it's easy to look over in retrospect

Post-war prosperity with booming industrial economy meant even proles could have well-paying jerbs and start families.

>>2692576

Compare the 1950's to the 1940's and it's not hard to figure out why the 50's are remembered so fondly.

>>2692589
>unmistakably worse in the 50s,

Not necessarily so. When you compare murder rates then to murder rates now, realize that we use advancements in trauma care, since the Vietnam War, to reduce murder to a fifth of what it would be without those advancements.

The 4/5ths of "botched murders" is put under assault, for obvious reasons.

>>2692588
>strong families
lmao
the nuclear family is capitalist propaganda
extended families are the real human norm, but that wouldn't suit the corporate need for increased consumption

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>>2692668
>the nuclear family is capitalist propaganda
Christ this fucking board

>>2692588
>strong families

You mean good, traditional values like beating the shit out of your wife and kids, right?

>fantastic economy
>real feelings of hope for the future
>communist scum hadn't infiltrated university yet (there was a time uni was actually anti-communist)
>even complete dumbasses could support a big family by working in a factory
Same-ish for the 60s.

>>2692855
Show me at least ten 1950's styled glorifications of that practice, that are looked upon fondly, and I'll concede that you aren't talking out of your ass.

>>2692576
Look at your parents wealth than look at yours.

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>>2692576
It honest to goodness depends on whether or not you were a white heterosexual male. And even then, it was kind of a meme.

>>2692693
Read the rest of the post, cuck. When you farm off your elders to a cold corporate """care""" facility you shit on them specifically and you shit on your ancestors and culture generally.

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>>2692693
I've never seen a communist who denies the holodomor who isn't also viciously anti-semitic.

course your pic is just a butthurt retaliation for pic related

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>>2692868
>This is what a counselor at the American Institute of Family Relations told a woman whose husband had an affair after 27 years of marriage:
>We have found in our experience, that when a husband leaves his home, he may be seeking refuge from an unpleasant environment. Could it be that your husband feels that he is not understood or appreciated in his own home? What might there be in your relations to him that could make him feel that way? Could you have stressed your contribution to your marriage in such a manner as to have belittled the part he has played and thus made him uncomfortable in his presence?

>Experts also had ideas on how to deal with physical abuse in a marriage. As Celello writes in Making Marriage Work:
>Clifford Adams thus assured wives whose husbands were prone to violence that following a program of avoiding arguments, indulging their husbands’ whims, helping them relax, and sharing their burdens would “foster harmony” in the home and make them “happy wives.”

1950's family was a meme

>>2692950
>Implying that a better future society than the one we have today wouldn't cynically focus solely on how we pretend it's okay to feed kids hormones to eventually mutilate them into looking like the opposite gender, and that that isn't worse than a screwed up counselor.

>>2692668
Alright back to /leftypol/ with you.

>>2692972
>Implying that has anything to do with my criticism of 1950's family culture.

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>>2692597
Not a bad answer, the war certainly coloured their perceptions.

>>2692576
Polio and living under the constant thread of atomic annihilation

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>>2692693
>Being anti-capitalism means that you are a communist
Golly gee, thank our corporate overlords for importing cheap third world labour in the 60s and promoting migration nowadays to keep the birthrate up for unsustainable growth and increase of consumers

>>2692976
please see
>>2692895

>>2692855
yes women before the 1960s were beaten daily, they lived to be punching bags, that was their use before the 1960s everywhere on the planet, you would be a social outcast if you didn't have a wife whith a face like sylvester stallone at the end of rocky

>>2692693
>when a nu-right Ameriblob modernist sees an actual right winger and assumes he's a communist for opposing (((capitalism)))
It's utterly comical

>>2693773
You forgot your kids also needed at least a black eye.

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>>2692576
Overhyped meme.
Even if you're into traditionalism, why pick the 50's? Why not pick something earlier, like late 19th century?

1950s America is literally the NatSoc German dream.

>>2694780
no AC, shit medical care, seasonal diet or horrible early canned goods.

the only good thing is that you could move and start over. no one knowing who you really were. no government keeping track of you and taxing you.

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>>2694780
Earlier than that, this is the best traditionalism.

>>2692668
>larger families == less consumption
I'm not sure if I can wrap my head around this one. Are you implying that extended families would somehow become self-sufficient and not consume goods and services offered by corporations?

>>2692950
>tfw there was actually a time in history when a man could spank his wife for talking back to him
I don't approve of violence toward women but that's fucking hot.

>>2692576
no one can talk about this decade objectively since all they know about it is memes and "facts" that support their worldview,

as for me

pros:
-everyone has money due to social programs and global economic dominance
-homicide rate is down
-still feeling the afterglow of WWII
-political unity
-strong-ass federal government (u mad libertarians?)


cons
-Mafia
-Jim Crow laws (yes I mad /pol/)
-Constant fear of nuclear extermination
-Korean war kinda dampened the afterglow
-ridiculous levels of censorship that ruined movies, comics, animation, music, and books for years (and other than movies and music the damage was permanent for the other mediums)

It's just a mythical past, the image and associations of that era are better than they actually were.

That being said, the post-war boom caused a lot of prosperity for a lot of people. But people should stop idolizing that period.

>>2695327
90s > 50s

still better than 70s, 80s, 00s, 10s

60s was pretty much the same as the 50s sure there were hippies but they were only in a small area in commiefornia for most of that decade.

>>2695166
If they produce their own stuff yes. Like growing their own food or making their own clothes.

>>2692576
And you even demand?

> strong gender roles
> work for everyone
> great aesthetics
> no feminism
> no SJWs

>>2695310
American comics are still recovering from that. I also blame it as the reason why capeshit is still so dominant, but that is slowly changing thankfully.

>>2692576
The new deal paying off, America's golden age of influence following world war 2, wide spread educated middle class thanks to the GI bill, strong unionized industrial sector.

>>2695310
you forgot meth abuse

50's and 60's was the era of the pill poppers. Prescription drug abuse wouldn't see such a crescendo again until the 2010s.

>>2695392
To be fair most drugs were perfectly legal and socially accepted until the late 60s due to being associated with dirty hippies.

>>2692576
Look at it this way. I'm a mediocre white Christian male with no particular talent, charm, or desire for hard work.

In the 1950s I could still live in comparative affluence for the time and place. I didn't have to compete with women or minorities for well paid jobs. Asia was still and impoverished or radioactive dump and Europe was emerging from WWII, modern globalization was really only starting to be worked out, so there was no real foreign competition for good jobs.

Also, I could brutalize my wife and children (not that I would want to, but still) and the police would consider it a private matter. If my wife dared to leave me she would be forced to live a life of poverty and shame. If a black man dared to cross me I could have him arrested and beaten.

That's what was so great about the 50s.

>>2693046
>>2693048
the difference is LBJ's immigration bill. which banned being able to keep people out based on nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc.

then Reagan and Bush sr both gave amensty to large amounts of mexicans.

>>2695399
>legal

sure

>socially accepted

i wouldn't say that

>>2695399
drug prohibition was always tied to racial discrimination.

>don't like the chinese immigrants? ban heroine and other opiods. those chinks love their opium
>mexicans? marijuana
>blacks? cocaine

if the country was over 90% white. no one would care if people were strung out on drugs.

I have to admit

I hate the 50s due to jelly of the fact that if I lived in that time I would be shatted on my jim crow laws in the south and defacto segregation in the north so there's way to experience the ideal 50s lifestyle even if I did work hard to achieve it.

Though to be fair what is described in the idealistic 50s kinda did feel like my childhood all the reports of horrible crime, poverty, and millennial fashions isn't really in my sleepy neighborhood (though I wish my historydegree amounted to shit like it apparently did in the 50s).

>>2695452
>He doesn't have a prescription for laudanum to deal with mental exhaustion after occasionally being required to stay late in the office and supervise the evening shift typing pool girls.

>>2695364
I can dig it.

I come from a very large family with relatives who work in many different fields, and I bet if we pooled our resources together we could probably build a commune and live off the land, though I still don't see how living under a non-capitalist government would make it easier for us to do this.

>>2695310
>(u mad libertarians?)
Not in the slightest, the 50s were free as FUCK.

>>2695166
Economies of scale. One big bag of flour vs 5 smaller ones. More people per house. More ridesharing.

You still consume, just less per person.

>>2692668
Nuclear family is there so that there are people that can take care of the worker so that society doesn't have to.

but people are their own people
even if the wife just stays good and looks pretty the hubby might not want such a wife anyway
economic problems such as the factory being outsourced means that the worker might not even be a worker (so the family starves)
kids (or at least just boys) have to go from "good nice little angels" to "independent well-rounded adults" in about a year
and then there's all the mental problems brought on by events outside the family's control.

if it works it works but if it doesn't it fails badly and all you'll get is a pissed and violent dad, beaten wife, and jaded and mentally unstable kids.

>>2695523
I guess I can see that.

On a related note, the 1950s were definitely the decade when the ultra-consumerist, "everybody needs to own a house and two cars" mentality started to take over in the US. I'm pretty sure this was due to the abundance of wealth during that era, though. As time goes on, we're starting to see more and more people sharing resources and living at home well into their late 20s and even 30s, so it seems like we're slowly returning to a more traditional way of life where large families coexist and provide for one another.

>>2695431
>>2695310
>>2695327

These tbqh famm

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>>2692693
It was literally created by the industrial revolution

>>2695579
hey, it's probably a good idea because with the technological advances that we have, we can have the best of both worlds. The help and support of an extended family, and the opportunity to interact with people all over the world.

>>2692693
This pic is so fucking stupid because there's not an ML on the planet who would reject the word "communist"

Most of them identify as communist first, Marxist-Leninist second

>>2692576
yup

>>2692576
Very overhyped. On y a small part of American society lived it and not for long.

>>2692588
>>2692591
>>2692870

/thread

All the marxists in the thread ought to check themselves.

>>2695431
hell even if a white guy fucked with you you can just oust him as a commie

>>2695457
>>blacks? cocaine

They can't even afford cocaine that's middle/upper class white drugs.
Crack-Cocaine or just Crack is their drug of choice.

Cocaine and Crck have a sentencing disparity very huge before the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010 .

Also note that

>While a person found with five grams of crack cocaine faced a five-year mandatory minimum prison sentence, a person holding powder cocaine could receive the same sentence only if he or she held five hundred grams.

They reduced it to 18:1 but that still is shit because crack and cocaine are no different really in their addictions

>>2695612
Russia's Perstroika was as bad as the early USSR

>>2695310
I mean if you think veterans of the Vietnam war was sad Korean war veterans has to live with their war being called "the forgotten war"

not to mention quite a few of them were also vets from WWII

>>2697191
That depends but you can geta right wing guy outed as a "commie" if you are a wordsmith of great repute.

If he went to Angola

>>2693506
Low murder rates don't contradict anything he said. Even then it seems like we're at 1950's level nowadays.

>>2693773
You and so many people have that enraging costume of seeing someone make a point, overblowing what they said by 100 and then pointing out how your stupid exaggeration somehow proves you're right.
Domestic violence definitely was seen diferently in the 1950s

>>2697195
>being fascinated by times of stagnation and normalcy
Interesting times are where it's at.

>>2692589
>cretinism
what does this even mean?

>>2697324
funny enough it seems that the best time of Russia in the 20th century was also the 50s (though after Stalin of course)

>>2695166
Someone with an average job that has 5 children or so will spend money on basic goods and not much else. Those people are ntog onna be buying a new fancy dishwasher or fancy clothes from this season.

>>2692576
no feminism, no shit teenagers who gimme gimme gimme and give nothing in return, no BET,MTV and college was worth going to but now its shit.

>>2697918
>no shit teenagers who gimme gimme gimme and give nothing in return
That's a pretty fucking bold statement when the largest recession in US history happened when these teenagers were 10, and the massive chunks of american manufacturing shipped abroad with neoliberalism under reagan approved by their parents.

>>2695648
yeah hedonists still have faith in technology to stop their unhappiness

>>2697338
After the brutality of Stalin and the NKVD, but before the stagnation and mass corruption of Brezhnev, yes.

>>2698114
technology is the only thing that's really ever progressing

even if you go back then you'll have people yelling about "muh collapsing values" but you can't say that with tech

>>2693506
>tfw 00s reached 50s levels

are we living in the 50s now?

>>2692668
>extended families are the real human norm

This is true.

>>2692870
>b-b-but muh better education

>>2692576
Well, greatest war in history just ended and USA was left unscathed.

LIBERALS NEED TO FUCK OFF OF THIS BOARD

>>2698710
Why are you triggered mr. Freedom Hater?

>>2698710
nah it's you that needs to
>/his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates.
see even the mods don't want you here

>>2698733
>shilling for freedumbs
Lie of the century

>>2699413
>b-b-but you dont even know what breedoms means

>>2692576
Ya it was the middle class was the strongest it has ever been in amea Ivan history during that time period

>>2695310
Honestly, I just think things are happier when women at least try to be subservient to men in committed family relationships. When they are single they should have all the rights possible don't get me wrong.

Yes, there are always the extreme cases of women in dark marriages with abusive husbands and probably helped start the 1960s but I'd say a serious majority of these families were very happy. I am 38 so old enough to have known some 1950's families and they always seemed pretty happy.

My two grandma/grandpa sides had epic love affairs and many kids and lots of love so I am biased. Anecdotal as fuck but oh well. I am not trying to win an argument just adding my 2 cents.

I just feel like the 1880-1960 was a time when America tried to live super Biblical at least out in the open and we tried to be peacemakers and so didn't go headlong into wars and tried to live by the book. Maybe I am wrong and stupid but it seemed like it.

Now we are maybe 30% Atheist in the US and lots of degenerate Boomers and kids of the Boomers have done insane damage and things are now almost at the end and we have a President Trump and China is about to eat our lunch. It seems like we really lost our soul and 1950's Christians were right all along.

>>2700076
50s was a time when men were happier, not women.

If women were as happy as you say there wouldn't even be feminism.
Having a loved one who cares for you is pretty attractive and all for the female that gets it, but all the rhetoric of "muh freedoms" and American dreams pretty much drives all Americans male and female.

Way I see it good subservient marriage is like a good monarchy, a good husband/king is better than having liberties (hell one can argue even an ok one that just gets shit done is better), but what are the odds of getting one and you're fucked if you don't.

>>2700112
Feminism was a meme brought about by a small but devoted group of people, just like the alt-right or antifa. Your average normiegirl wasn't a fermenist.

>>2700112
>If women were as happy as you say there wouldn't even be feminism.

50s was a time when the mass adoption of TV really took off.

Seeing an exceptionally handsome man and seeing exceptional displays of wealth and "mastery" was a treat that took time to plan (to go to a cinema).

Now they can see all the "exceptional" men and women all day everyday.

TV made the lives of women seem pathetically boring. Even domestic life wasn't as funny or problem free as domestic life on television.

TV created feminism by displaying images of a fantastic life that seemed impossible without getting a TV man. No other culture had dealt with the daily occurrence of contradictory images of "life" being displayed in the same pattern and duration over and over ago.

>>2700650

over and over again*

Not to mention that the mass prescription of stimulants gave women a lot of time to think fast and loose in the confines of their housing.

>>2697336
Developmental delay from iodine deficiency.

>>2700112
Both men and women have been becoming more unhappy for the past few decades

>>2692576
>End of WWII
>Economic Boom
>Fear of nuclear war wasn't big yet

>>2697336
Acting like a hooligan because you didn't have the internet, TV, or late night radio to entertain you

>>2692972

>moving the goalpost because you won't concede he wasn't talking out of his ass.

>>2692576
>24/7 scare of a nuclear annihilation

>>2692855
I don't worship the 50s like these /pol/fags(most of the "wealth" simply came from post war boom)but really this meme has to die. The 50s weren't perfect by any means but to say men were always beating women just because it wasn't as criminalized as today with primary aggressor laws and the like, is really fucked up. Some men are terrible , but Men as a group are a bit better than that I think.

>>2701273

The irony is that the haremizaton of society is leading to more neglect and abuse by fathers.

Men don't feel much attachment if they have multiple sets of kids from multiple women.

This tendency is exacerbated in most black communities as welfare becomes "Big Beta Provider Daddy". Women get knocked up with abusive alphas/Betas-Posing-Alpha and get Daddy Warbucks to pay for the cost of living.

>>2692950
how does this reflect the opinion of everyman though? And notice, it's the less educated men who are saying such things? Would it be fai to believe all women in the 2000s were man hating bitches who believed men should be castrated and "womyn"should be used for now on based on a panel of opinions of a group of jezebel bloggers?

>>2692950
>1950's family was a meme

Not really. But it was subsidized by the destruction of industrial and scientific centers in Europe and around the world.

If you're idolizing the material conditions of the 50s, gaze upon Dresden and Stalingrad and ask if you would see those places decimated so you can have an easy factory job. A lot of people would make that trade in a second.

Not only that but exacerbating that environment of victory and dominance was the usage of stimulants and the great "calming" down of the mentally insane when the first anti-psychotics went to market.

>>2700112
I don't necessarily think that the attribution of feminism is placed solely on women being "unhappy", but more on the impact that running through two world wars and requiring some women to become independent from men which created the feminism movement. The vocal subsection of women, as well as the newly perceived independence of women in comparison with the growing prosperity for everyone, allowed for a more individualistic ideology to be perpetrated among the people, imo.

Obviously, politics came into play as they always do, and the raising civil rights movements along with a greater internal focus on civil rights and liberties, as with the turn of the century, meant that individual liberties and rights were valued moreso over restriction.

Think of no-fault divorce, Roe v. Wade, growing concern over being drafted, (being forced to do something) materialistic growing concerns, yuppie-culture, liberal opposition to necessary conflict with the communists, (since organized conflict is more in turn with collectivist ideals rather than individual choice over the matters).

t. paleocon riding the authoritarian-libertarian line like its... wait no, I'd have to be women for this not to be gay.

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>>2693048

>>2695520
Even whites were oppressed by McCarthyism

>>2693525
>be varg
>the french election is coming guys!
>I know what to do regarding this election
>everyone needs to become pagan! the gods are still waiting christianity was brought by the jew!
>video ends

>>2695310
>-Constant fear of nuclear extermination
gee, good thing we allied with the soviets right haha fellow chums

>>2692576
History is written by the winners. A few people did very well in the 50s; they created the meme.

>>2692576
I love Fallout series and its 50s vibe

>>2692588

Completely agree.

My only problem with 1950's was how minorities were treated.

We could have even kept the lifestyles the same if the world population hadn't exploded over the last 60 years.

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>>2695520
>the 50s were free as FUCK.

So free that the following decade was marked by rebelling against the iron-clad societal norms.

So free that the average person supported banning hand-guns.

>>2695520
Depends on what do you mean by free. Federal government was spending like a motherfucker, some of the biggest public engineering projects were accomplished in the 50s like the Interstate system. And I'm completely okay with that, libertarians are idiots.

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People get too caught up in the 20th century, when no part of it compares to life in ages past.

Read "Life and Liberty in America" by Charles Mackay - a Londoner's account of American cities in 1857. THIS is the old America we ought to be striving towards.

>>2705314
"There is no street in London that can be declared superior, or even equal, all things considered, to Broadway. It is a street sui generis, combining in itself the characteristics of the Boulevard des Italiens at Paris, and of Cheapside or Fleet Street in London, with here and there a dash of Whitechapel or the Minories, and here and there a dash of Liverpool and Dublin."

"It is longer, more crowded, and fuller of fine buildings than the Boulevard des Italiens; it is as bustling as Cheapside; and, more than all, it has a sky above it as bright as the sky of Venice."

"Its aspect is thoroughly Parisian. Were it not for the old familiar names of Smith, Jones, and Brown over the doors of the stores and warehouses, and the English placards and advertisements that every where meet the eye, the stranger might fancy himself under the maximized government and iron grip of Napoleon III., instead of being under that of the minimized and mild government of an American republic - a government so infinitesimally light in its weight, and carried on by persons so little known, that strangers in this, the 'Empire State,' as it is called, and even the citizens themselves, are scarcely more cognizant of the name of the governor than a Londoner is of the name of the high sheriff of Flintshire or of the lord lieutenant of Merioneth."

People stopped being mostly farmers in the 50s.

That's it. The cities are what changed everything.

>>2698156
No surplus of marriage age women, though.

>>2692576

Porn