Secularism

Because you don't need religion to have morality.

>>2677444
Probably because of inherent bias of their part. I'm an agnostic who swings more towards atheism, and I love hearing about religions and their interpretation of objective truths. I think it does a great disservice to the students who leave education without a proper understanding of the cultures who built most of our modern institutions.

>>2677457
https://youtu.be/OxiAikEk2vU

>>2677444
Because they are statists, and to statists, the State is god.

>>2677444
Because god is a topic that there is no scholarly way of proving or disproving, it does not belong in the classroom, any more than politics belongs at the pulpit.
If I were to tell you there was a teapot, &c.

>>2677474
video is pretty memey but I do agree with the core of it, I find the idea of subjective goodness absolutely terrifying and it is something I struggle with ideologically a lot as a fedora. I've read about other alternatives like kant's categorical imperative but it does not confer quite the same weight.

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>>2677490
God is ruler of all, a teapot does nothing. We must reference and revere Him in all we do, lest we open the door for doubt and indoctrination into heretical teachings where man made God. We are under Him, and we need to accept that, whether we hate it or not.

>>2677515
Oh Christ on a motherfucking motorbike.
>this shit again

>>2677467
but you can still talk about religion in public schools, you just can't do it in a proslytizing sense. you can't say that Jesus rose from the dead but you can discuss the foundings of different religions, their beliefs and cultural contributions

>>2677519
Yeah so we should all just be a bunch of slaves in the slave-submission religion of Christism, where everyone gets cuckolded equally, and the homosexual BDSM is revered on high. (nothing against homosexuals)

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>>2677515
>cant have a nice thread about the nature of morality without creationfags shitting it up
>this is going to turn into a shitfest about stats, studies and bible passage spam no matter what we do now

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>>2677519
I can't seem to find an argument, merely an ad hom of some sort.

>>2677534
No worries, I am not so mad as to do what the last Brother did. I will gladly let this play out.

Religion doesn't belong in education because religion has no knowledge to offer. And last I checked, schools don't teach ethics. There may be courses where ethics are discussed, but that's not the same as being taught what is/is not good.

>>2677515
I know that you think your god is different than the teapot, but it really isn't. The only difference here is that you haven't been raised in a culture that believes in the teapot.

>>2677537
My argument is in the post you responded to, and you merely went on to prove exactly why that kind of thing doesn't belong in the classroom.
>est we open the door for doubt and indoctrination
Which is exactly what we do when religion is TAUGHT, (i.e. one being the "true religion" and others being "false") rather than merely discussed in the context of history, which SHOULD be done and is IMPORTANT in order to better understand the world in general.

>>2677537
>this pic
>implying human 'common sense' is more reliable that scientific data and peer-reviewed research

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>>2677566
>science can teach us ethics XDDDD

>>2677574
So this is christian fedora autism? Nice.

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>>2677574
At least be civil, Brother.

>>2677444
Most of my philosophy professors are pretty die-hard about virtue ethics actually.

>>2677444
Because they don't realize the wave of cultural inertia they're riding only lasts for so long. Look how shit people are these days, the implosion has already begun.

>>2677574
>this pic
>implying people need to be afraid of punishment in order to care for their fellow man
That's some view of humanity you have (not to mention view of yourself)

So were the Jews just, like, indiscriminately raping and murdering each other in the desert, disrespecting their parents, worshiping idols, committing adultery, coveting their neighbor, their neighbor's wives, and their neighbor's wife's ass, all over the fucking desert, right up to the last second before Moses received the commandments?

>>2677601
I can't imagine how any of them even made it that far! Especially Moses!

>>2677601
Pretty much. The bronze age was a scary place.

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>>2677515
What did they mean by this?

There really isn't this push towards moral relativism. In my critical thinking course, relativism was considered to be most commonly a sign of lazy thinking.

God was taken out of the picture because the Bible isn't useful for teaching anything but what's in the Bible.

>>2677636
Yes, there's plenty in history showing they did all that stuff then immediately and magically stopped when they received the word of 'god' nothing to do with anything else at all. Ya got me.

>>2677651
>God was taken out of the picture because the Bible isn't useful for teaching anything but what's in the Bible.

What's in the Bible is pretty damn useful though.

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Fedoras literally cannot refute this

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>>2677714
Checkmate atheists

>>2677698
I can say I've literally, in all my time in school, never once seen that happen. But who's to say my singular experience is any more or less valid than yours?

>>2677574
Why is this wrong? Ethics is slavery, the only thing that matters is morality semi-nebulous enough that society can still function. If I want something and I know for certain I will suffer no repercussions, I will seize it. Christian morality is the morality beaten into slaves so they will submit to a master and not rebel. It's why "Christian" conquerors behave so unlike their religion states to achieve greatness.

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>>2677717
Here, and have an ass sandwich on me.

>>2677522
I've had a lot of teachers who are essentially just proselytizing for Marx.

>>2677786
Christcuck, do you know what the supramarginal gyrus is?

>>2677778
You could look at ethics as a system that maximizes beneficial behavior, balanced by flexible and specific limits on personal freedom. That probably doesn't allow for your idea of maximum freedom, but it's better than slavery, no?

>>2677809
What ethics system, Deontology? I'm a teleologist.I certainly do not wish society to collapse, but as an egotist I will never sacrifice myself or fail to seize something that will seize my life no matter at the cost of others.

>>2677444
>Why does mainstream academia wish to remove God from the classroom
The same reason scientists avoid appealing to God in their theories: it has proved both useless and impossible to justify.

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>>2677574

Great when will you Semites allow proper European religion into the class room?
>oh wait you new worshipers only want (((your))) brand of Abrahamic religion in the classrooms


Odin and Thor not Christ and Semites

>>2677877
That's just substituting one form of BS for another.

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They want to stop teaching children about God because that's what communists and fascists want. Two sides of the same coin!

>>2677880
Sure but it's my response to conservacucks when they bitch about religion and government. Its only their shit, see when they threw a fit about some Muslims organize a holiday play for their faith

>>2677895
>implying humans are so close to our primate ancestors that we can't see natural selection in action and say "that's *not* how we want our society to operate"

>>2677692
>What's in the Bible is pretty damn useful though.

Not particularly. It's had some use in understanding the history of the Bronze Age near east, but everything in it has to be taken with a grain of salt since a bunch of it is impossible.

Because different religions have different ideas of what "God" is. How can we teach of a God when there is inconsistency of what God would entail, provided a God even exists?

Tbqh I think that schools should teach the Bible from a historical/anthropological point of view

>>2677444

the freemasonry did it

>>2677543
>And last I checked, schools don't teach ethics. There may be courses where ethics are discussed, but that's not the same as being taught what is/is not good.
That's false though, if you don't believe me try going to a high school and arguing that colonialism is good and that rich people have a right to exploit poor people

>>2677574
>what are social standards
>what are laws

>>2678035
I went to a high school in the GTA and there were a significant amount of people who would agree with a played down version of this

>>2677505

Conceptually, the idea is scary, but you're kidding yourself if you think that's not the way it already is. For the most part, religion's teachings are at their core humanist/socially responsible behaviors (with the exceptions of some more specific/cultural examples), which are also generally what a secular morality system instills. In any case the idea of subjective morality is silly to act as though religious systems aren't the same way- as the most braindead example I can think of, the Crusades had thousands breaking the first commandment to avoid a greater "evil". Subjectively it was decided which was the greater sin, and collectively it was decided to prioritize reprisal against blasphemy.

>>2677444

Tons of reasons, most of them not inherently bad. Many people fear the potential for their child to be exposed to more pointed rhetoric/proselytization, some are just biased against religion in general, others think religious bias would negatively affect the education (take evolution/creationism for example), etc. As the chunk of religious Americans drops, expect to see more solidarity between disparate groups that hold suspicious or unfavorable views toward religion.

>>2677444

You misunderstand anon. It's not that dogma is disappearing. It's that it is being replaced.

The morals that are being taught are still very christian, just with the fat cut out.

>>2677798

I've never had this experience, but no matter how hard you want it to be true economic/social ideology isn't the same as religion and shouldn't be treated as such, even if both are ideological in nature.

>>2678073
This, liberalism is our modern religion

>>2677515
Oh boy, here we go again

>>2677907

The worst part of this eugenic ideology is that it assumes the people in control of the program are capable of being dispassionate, unbiased and with enough foresight to be able to design better people with nature's tools- an extremely shaky proposition.

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This thread is a prime example of why proselytizing should be banned on this board.

>>2678020
>Because different religions have different ideas of what "God" is. How can we teach of a God when there is inconsistency of what God would entail, provided a God even exists?
That sounds more like an argument for cultural homogeneity than for secularism. Different religious also have different ideas of what morality is, that doesn't stop us from insisting they live by our morals. At least we used to anyway, I can't help buy notice that those exact same secularists are making a strong push for moral relativism now too.

>>2678073
>The morals that are being taught are still very christian, just with the fat cut out.
You mean the bone, I still see plenty of fat in the cut that's being handed to us. Arguably more fat than was once the norm....

>>2678113

>How can we teach of a "law" when there is inconsistency of what law would entail?

>>2678129
The difference is most western nations are considered secular. But not anarchsit

>>2678144

I'm just further pointing out what a dumb statement that was that you quoted (assuming I know who I'm talking to). Arguing that a concept cannot exist because people disagree about real-world examples of that concept is plainly ridiculous.

>he hasn't heard of the frankfurt school

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>THIS IS WHAT ATHEISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

Schools are a service provided by the state/greater society to allow for economic functionality and a common baseline of reality.

Faith is a functionally local social phenomenon, meant to instill a personal dogma with which to understand that reality.

It's like asking why there aren't commercial trucks that are also sports cars. They fulfill different purposes.

>>2678414
>Christcucks can only score points by strawmanning
>Meanwhile atheists can destroy Christcucks by quoting the Christcucks own retarded book at them

Really makes you think (about how retarded and stupid Christcucks must be).

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>>2678475
>Christians raise valid points about the many inconsistencies in their opponents beliefs
>opponents quote mine and strut around as though they won
Really does.

>>2678496
>opponents quote mine
>quoting mines scripture

>>2678447
Failure in logic: false equivocation.
Faith is the core system from which our society arose. To remove that specific faith is to remove the foundation from a skyscraper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn_oipsF8d0

To want to impose an imaginary state of government on others by violence is not only a vulgar superstition, but even a criminal work. Understand that this work, far from assuring the well-being of humanity is only a lie, a more or less unconscious hypocrisy, camouflaging the lowest passions we posses. ~ Leo Tolstoy

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>>2678499
They state "here are instances of polygamy in the Bible" as though it's condoned, rather than frowned upon as you learn from further reading. Polygamy ended in sorrow.

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>>2678503
>Faith is the core system from which our society arose
No, that would be reproductive viability.

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>>2678509
Materialist drivel.

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

>>2678508
If Rachel being at odds with her sister is a condemnation on polygamy then Cain and Abel was a condemnation on having multiple children

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>>2678514
Faith is a function of society. It is not a founding tenet.

That does not make it unimportant.

>>2678523
More like not heeding divine orders.

>>2678531
point me to this divine order.
>inb4 Deuteronomy
that only condemns polygamy for kings

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>>2678528
Do you think people just decided to work together? No, they united under a common belief: a God. A belief in nothing will yield apathy and division.

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>>2678536
I was talking about Cain and Abel.

>that only condemns polygamy for kings
Is a man not king of his household and family?

>Noah was the tenth of the pre-flood (antediluvian) Patriarchs. His father was Lamech and his mother is unknown.[2] When Noah was five hundred years old, he begat Shem, Ham and Japheth (Genesis 5:32).

>After the flood, Noah offered burnt offerings to the LORD, who said: "I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done." (8:20–21)

>Noah plants the vineyard and utters the curse, not God, so "God is less involved".[19]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah

Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. (Matthew 19:8)

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>>2678073
>>2678078
This.

Time for some redpilling.

>By ‘modern ideas’, Nietzsche means what we might call ‘secular humanism’. ‘Modern ideas’ include the values of democracy and equality, a work ethic, a morality that opposes suffering, and beliefs in science and positivism (the view that philosophy should limit itself to what is ‘given’ in experience and the study of scientific methodology). Nietzsche criticises these values and argues that they originate in religion, even though most people of ‘modern ideas’ claim to be ‘atheists’.Democracy is founded on the value of equality – that all people are equal and so should have an equal say in how society is run. Yet the idea of equality should be more contentious than it has become. Samuel Johnson said ‘So far is it from being true that men are naturally equal, that no two people can be half an hour together, but one shall acquire an evident superiority over the other’ (Boswell, Life of Johnson, Vol. 1, p. 318). If inequality is so easily established, what does our belief in equality rest upon?

>Equality and democracy are instincts of ‘the herd’ (§202), values that favour the unexceptional and mediocre. They do not recognise and respect the exceptional. In this, democrats, anarchists and socialists, even if they are atheists, uphold the values of Christianity. They all want a ‘free’ society of equals, i.e. a society of an autonomous herd, and believe the community will save humanity. The elimination of suffering is the foundation of their morality, which they think of as objective.

>>2677543
>And last I checked, schools don't teach ethics.

Where I'm from it's mandatory to pick either religion or ethics as a subject during primary and secondary education.

Because replacing God with the Idea of Gold and the corresponding Object Gold makes students easily enslaved and used.
>>2677457
Yes you do, otherwise all one has is their fickle desires.

>>2678751
If resisting idolatry was easy society would have been perfected a long time ago.

>>2677467
>objective truths
Don't exist, sorry!
>>2678065
>For the most part, religion's teachings are at their core humanist/socially responsible behaviors
Typical DISGUSTING HUMANIST whitewashing and proselytizing!

>>2677543
>I know that you think your god is different than the teapot, but it really isn't. The only difference here is that you haven't been raised in a culture that believes in the teapot.
People illiterate in the study of religions and theology ACTUALLY believe this. You even REJECT these fields!

>>2677778
>society is good
>christianity is le bad XDD
You need to go back.

Holy shit the ultra religious American wasnt a meme

>>2677877
WE WUZ VIKANGS N SHIEET
Nordcucks: the OTHER spearchuckers!

>>2678508
Why is the atheist wearing a christian symbol?

>>2678475
>>Meanwhile atheists can destroy Christcucks by quoting the Christcucks own retarded book at them
No, you deluded child.

>>2678788
Ironically, despite their obsession with "freedom", Americans are some of the most brainwashed people on the planet.

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>>2678797

Historically because the Catholic Church was politically hostile to republican and capatalist values and it also helped reduce the Protestant catholic conflict.

In modern times it's more due to an ideological rejection , kind of like how religious people would be pretty upset if they had to teach liberal civics in Sunday schools and sermons

>>2678610
Nietzsche's thoughts here aren't taken to their conclusion however. His stripping down of values gives room to another form of values, in which no "superiority" can be meaningfully asserted; the strong may subjugate the weak, but it doesn't make them superior, and it's ultimately in the interests of the weak to pool themselves together to resist the strong. As far as I've seen, Nietzsche privileges the exceptional without cause, seeming to be of the opinion that the strong should rule, while refusing to accept (by moralizing against) the fact that the herd is by far the strongest.

>>2678858
>>2678858
>for another form of equality

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>>2678858
>the strong may subjugate the weak, but it doesn't make them superior

>>2678759
Is there a section of the Bible commanding its followers to shitpost? I'm not aware of one.

why are americans so damn stupid
why
how on earth an advanced nation can be still stuck in te 19th century and cant stop yapping about some old man above the clouds who scientifically may or may not exist

NOBODY CARES ABOUT RELIGION IN HIGH EDUCATION
ITS YOUR PERSONAL BELIEF, ITS LIKE SHARING WHAT SEXUAL ORIENTATION YOU HAVE, NOBODY CARES

>>2678793
Nordics had longboats and good steel making. They also got their shit together and became the Swedish Empire which was pretty fucking cool.
Niggers didn't do shit, Mali was shit, Axum was shit, Benis was shit

>>2678981
Why would people need to share that they want to have sex with the opposite sex? Seems kinda redundant

>>2677515
>Teapot is ruler of all, god does nothing. We must reference and revere Him in all we do, lest we open the door for doubt and indoctrination into heretical teachings where man made teapot. We are under Him, and we need to accept that, whether we hate it or not.
See what I did there?

>>2678986
>nordics
not all nordics were vikings, you were looking for scandis maybe
>steelmaking
like any other who had access to it
>swedish empire
wasnt even an empire, trying to expand into north german, polish and russian spheres of influence, but failed everywhere

i dont know about "niggers" but you sure sound like one

>>2677444
Daily reminder that the majority of philosophers who specialize in meta-ethics are moral realists.
Even among those who are moral anti-realists, moral relativism is an extremely minority view.

>>2677474

read Kant bitch

>>2679044
fearsome digits

>>2679019
Yes, but it doesn't mean anything, for it comes from a fool.

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>>2679043
Then why has liberalism spread its filth as far as it has.

This shit is why we need /rel/

>>2679071
Several reasons for that, for example, the fact that plenty of liberals *are* moral realists, they just have the wrong normative ethics.

How to spot a retarded /pol/ poster:
>spams images to present his 'argument'
>ignores well-thought out rebuttals
>cherrypicks a few replies, replying with more images or infographs
>calls cogent arguments strawmen and ad hom
>never willing to concede even the slightest point regardless of facts presented

/his/ is a board that values objective truths and historical fact. You will never have a place here as much as you try.

>>2679121
You sound like an objective faggot

>>2678960
Only Protestants fall for the Sola Fide meme, because most of them cannot know the Logos any other way.
>>2678986
WE
>>2679078
All moral realists are wrong.
>>2679121
Objectivity, truth, and fact do not exist. Sorry!

Is it not obvious that basing your morals on a two thousand year old scripture is kind of wonky thinking, one that leads to a wonky settis?

There are two kinds of morals in a utopian setting; What feels right, and what the law says, for those that have an incompatible sense of 'right' with the rest of society.

>>2678871
If a retarded fat guy sits on your face, does that make him superior to you?

>>2680574
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

>>2677444
Because your religion cannot be proven to be the correct religion out of the thousands of faiths that have existed. And as a non-religious person I can say with a great deal of certainty that if I have children at some point I do not want them indoctrinated into your specific faith or any faith at all for that matter.

Take your bible and shove it up your ass sideways christard.

>>2677444

>why are Jews trying to erase Christianity?

Jeez idk.

>>2680581
You're operating on two principles here buddy.
1. That the American constitution is perfect.
2. That dictating religious education of X character is not prohibiting the free excercise of any religion that is not of the same as the one forced onto them.

>>2680574
>Is it not obvious that basing your morals on a two thousand year old scripture is kind of wonky thinking, one that leads to a wonky settis?
Not at all as the human condition hasn't changed just because you have an iPad now.

>>2680574
yeah its much better to base it off of trendy memes!
>What feels right, and what the law says
YEAH! MUH FEELIES! MUH STATE!
>>2680597
Yeah, it's much better that you indoctrinate them into your religion!
>non-religious
No such thing exists.
Muh Idea of Gold

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>>2680623
And the human condition specifically forbids clothes of different fabrics, or the consumption of seafood?

>>2680626
>YEAH! MUH FEELIES! MUH STATE!
not an argument.

>>2680597
>thinks picking a God is impossible
>has no problem picking a moral system
Every time with you people.

>>2680632
>argumnets are good becuz uh feelies sed so

>>2680623
>>2680627
>human condition
Platitude.

>>2680633
People these days largely don't consider moral systems to be absolute truth, so picking one out of social convenience isn't a problem.

>>2680641
This.

>>2680627
If that's your culture obviously it does doesn't it?
Seriously think about what you're actually saying there. Are you genuinely claiming mixed cloth and shellfish in the bronze age possessed different properties than they do today?

You're not as smart as you think you are dumbass, you're just describing uniforms and dietary customs both of which are things which exist today.

>>2680644
>moral systems aren't absolute truth
>'god is le dick xddd he makes me feel bad and my feelies are absolute truth ;ccc'

>>2680644
>picking a moral system out of social convenience is easy
>picking a religion out of social convenience is rocket surgery though apparently.

>>2680627
Deuteronomy 31:20 "I will bring them into a land that has plenty of milk and honey. I promised the land to their fathers. I took an oath when I promised it. In that land they will eat until they have had enough. They will get fat. When they do, they will turn to other gods and worship them. They will turn their backs on me. They will break my covenant.

why do people get so assblasted about moral relativism?

just because you think your morals are perfect, doesn't mean I need to respect them if they're incompatible with my morals

>>2680662
its all le opinion dude im not immoral, muh morality is just diff rent!

>>2680654
>I'm a colossal moron who is literally incapable of not acting like a child.

Good for you.

>>2680660
The difference of course is that religions claim a monopoly on truth, and assert themselves as absolute truth, so taking higher standards is both normal and reasonable.

>>2680661
>the guy who wrote the bible predicted that people might come to disagree with him
>this proves it right

I predict that you'll disagree with me, therefore everything I say is right.

>>2680669
>I'm a colossal moron who is literally incapable of not acting like a child.
Projecting hard.

Don't you have some studying to do, freshman?

>>2680675
>I know you are but what am I?!

Thanks for proving my point.

>>2680677
HAHA I CAN REDUCE WHAT HE SAID TO THIS
SO HES LE CHILD HAHA XDDD BTFO XXDDDDDD *posts a pepe* xdDDDD

>>2680641
>platitude
Do you have a better word to express the concept in question, or are you claiming that humans are not governed by the same spectrum of passions, drives and experience?

>>2680662
Probably because it is the same as the lack of morality. If everyone is free to create their own morals (and every creation by a sapient agent is an expression of its will), then morals are nothing but their will, that is, their morals can never be contrary to their will, that is, it is as though there are no morals at all.

>>2677444
Students can choose wether they want to learn Ethics or Theology in my country.

>>2680683
They aren't unless you have autism.
>>2680687
haha your wrong bro everybdoys morality will agree with mine because im le smartie rational!

>>2680667
>>2680687
so then treat them like they're immoral? create laws that make their morality actually punishable? people (even religious ones) have been disagreeing for as long as they've existed what right and wrong are, and we've gotten by anyway.

>>2680687
That's not really the case at all. Your moral system is generally separate from your will at any particular moment in time. If it weren't, nobody would ever experience guilt.

>>2680697
>laws
Fuck off, statist.

>>2680687
>The Roman historian Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus wrote a story about the emperor Caligula, who lined up his soldiers and artillery on the beach and declared war on Neptune, god of the sea. After that he claimed victory over the ocean and commanded his men to collect shells as war booty.[3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittenburg

>>2680669
>The difference of course is that religions claim a monopoly on truth, and assert themselves as absolute truth, so taking higher standards is both normal and reasonable.
So does morality. Claiming that right and wrong exist is a statement governing absolute truth.

>>2677444

Claiming you get your morality from God is in practical terms the most relative and arbitrary type of moral system there is.

You could kill your neighbour because him gardening pissed you off and claim God told you to do it.

>>2680702
whatever, dude. do the non-law-non-statist thing that you do to cope with people having different concepts of right and wrong, people have been doing that for centuries too.

>>2680710
No it doesn't. Are you fucking retarded? In a relativist moral system, "right and wrong" because "right and wrong, in my view."

>>2680716
There are no 'different concepts', why can't you accept that most people are just horribly immoral? Fucking humanists.
>>2680714
if only there were a book of rules and such commissioned by God...

>>2680717

How does that differ from "right and wrong" because I claim that's what God wants?

>>2680726
>why can't you accept that most people are just horribly immoral?

I cannot possibly imagine how fucking awful it must be to go through life with such a disturbing, misanthropic worldview.

>>2680726
>if only there were a book of rules and such commissioned by God

A purely arbitrary claim.

>>2680626
>>No such thing exists.
Wrong, you faggot.

>>muh idea of gold
What the fuck does this even mean?

>>2680730
Because the "it's what god wants" thing typically tries to claim that "what god wants" can be the only truth.

>>2680726
Every religion has a different understanding of what their god wants from them.

>>2680739

And in practical terms?

>>2680730
Because your god cannot be proven to exist for one thing, and frankly most people have different ideas about what is religiously proper while most people are in agreement that robbery and murder are wrong.

>>2680733
muh humanist meme uhgghghghghh i cant even imaaaagine how haaaaaaaard that would beeeeeee ughhgghgh suffering is baaaad ;cccc

>>2680734
Not at all.
>>2680735
>Wrong, you faggot.
IM NOT RELIGIOUS U FUGIN CHRISDEN I DONT BELIEF IN NUTHIN
>What the fuck does this even mean?
Why don't you actually read, instead of shitpost all day?
>>2680747
>proof
Fuck off
>agreement
Irrelevant, they're all wrong.

>>2680747

I don't have a God, my point is that people claiming to base their morality on "God" are the people with the most arbitrary random moral system where anything they think is moral just happens to be what their "God" thinks is moral.

>>2680745
In practical terms one claims to be absolute truth and so people exercise (and should continue to do so) higher standards for picking them.

It's worth noting that plenty of people pick up religion due to social convenience. It's no coincidence that most religious folk assert that the religion they were brought up in is conveniently the absolute truth.

>>2680695
>They aren't unless you have autism.
So just so that we're clear on this, you're claiming that, humans don't experience a common range of experiences, that there are people out there who experience the life of crab or a sea urchin?

>>2680745
And in practical terms that means your religious values being enforced on people who don't agree with them for no better reason then your say so, which is essentially tyranny.

>>2680750
>Not at all.

Yes. Your Koran is bullshit, son.

>>2677444
Because that's what they believe, and somewhat ironically intend to use their power to press their ideas on the next generation.

>>2680750
>muh humanist meme uhgghghghghh i cant even imaaaagine how haaaaaaaard that would beeeeeee ughhgghgh suffering is baaaad ;cccc

Are you literally incapable of not acting like a child?

>>2680695
Human nature, for all its memeness, has some merits. The laws of history thucydides examplified time and time again in his book manifest themselves time and time again

Philippians 3:19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things.

>>2680698
>If it weren't, nobody would ever experience guilt.
Morals are independent of one's will only when they are not influenced by the will - when they are held as objective. People only experience guilt because they consider their morals to be correct, objective and unchangeable (outside of them and their consciousness), meaning that breaking them is sin. Moral relativism is, however, anathema to that faith, as it posits morality as nothing more than a feeling, an opinion. Nothing but a person's will holding them up, making them real. So, how could they be contrary to it?
>>2680687
To clarify, this is Hobbes' argument on the Sovereign not being able to break a law, but adapted for morality.
>>2680697
It is necessary for functionality that a mostly unified moral code is upheld.
>>2680706
Beg pardon?

>>2680758

I agree.

>>2680750
Why don't you actually explain your ideas in a rational and clear-headed manner instead of smearing your shit all over the place like a retard?

Oh wait you're a christard, shit-flinging is the extent of your intellectual capability.

>>IM NOT RELIGIOUS U FUGIN CHRISDEN I DONT BELIEF IN NUTHIN
This is correct insofar as I don't have any religious beliefs and I do not believe that any deity or group of deities exists.

>>2680770
>Morals are independent of one's will only when they are not influenced by the will - when they are held as objective. People only experience guilt because they consider their morals to be correct, objective and unchangeable (outside of them and their consciousness), meaning that breaking them is sin. Moral relativism is, however, anathema to that faith, as it posits morality as nothing more than a feeling, an opinion. Nothing but a person's will holding them up, making them real. So, how could they be contrary to it?

I consider honesty to be a good because I hate being lied to, not because I consider truth an objective good. I feel guilt when I lie.

>>2677474
Craig is a complete amateur in ethics

Don't get your philosophy from shitty YouTube videos

>>2680750
>>Fuck off
lol you know you have no proof for your absurd claims and so you immediately resort to vulgarity.

>>Irrelevant, they're all wrong.
Actually it is relevant because from my perspective along with the perspective of lots of other people, you're wrong too. I see no reason why children should be indoctrinated into your cult.

>>2680789
>inb4 "Proof is good because some greek said so XDDDDD"

This guy is the worst. Worse even than Constantine or that fucking fundie.

>>2680717
Except moral relativism is still a claim of absolute truth. "It depends on your point of view" is concrete statement regarding the absolute nature or reality.

Which by the way, is why moral relativism is absolute bunk.
>There are NO definitive statements that can be made about reality!
>except for the one I just made please accept it without thinking about it....

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>has a cranial capacity half the size of a human's
>still show altruism through care for their elderly

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>morality derived from god is objective morality

kek

which god? which interpretation of god? don't episcopalians and anglicans and catholics have disagreements on some matters of morality? don't individual clergymen within these faiths? doesn't your interpretation of the bible you read yourself differ from that of others who have done the same?

>>2680758
But you magically have no problem enforcing a moral system that recognizes the concept of tyranny as immoral, somehow.

>>2680799
I'm the worst huh? Mind explaining why I should give a fuck about your religion let alone be willing to have it forced upon my children without any recourse then? I mean if you're rejecting the idea that that things require proof why in the fuck should I pick your religion rather then one that appeals to me personally instead?

>>2680800
Except they never make the claim that there can be no definitive statements about reality. Moral relativism is not epistemological nihilism. Moral relativists would typically state that there are no moral truths, or that morality does not reflect something of a real world substance, which isn't a moral claim, but instead a claim about reality itself.

As for proof of that position, there's the complete absence of proof for the truth-validity of moral statements.

>>2680813
Not you. You're fine. I'm talking about the shitposter that refuses to actually engage with anyone beyond spewing shit everywhere.

>>2680812
Not magically, I just don't like living under the dictates of a tyrant and neither does anybody else really.

>>2680822
Oh well never mind then. This thread is somewhat confusing to me, and I thought constantine stopped posting here a while back?

>>2680815
>"there are no moral truths"
>somehow not a moral claim

>>2680827
Yeah, but his memory as an insufferable tripfag lives on. Also he periodically posts anonymously. He's still the same dishonest, fanatical cretin he's always been.

>>2680832
It's not right or wrong that moral statements can't be proven to have objective truth-validity, it just is. Just as "the sky is blue" is not a moral claim.

>>2680824
>and neither does anybody else really.
History proves you wrong buddy.

>>2680836
>the sky is blue is not a moral statement
Wrong.

>>2680843
No it doesn't actually. People put up with the local warlord so long as there was food on the table and he wasn't bothering them much personally, this isn't the same thing as liking such a state of affairs. And even if people in the past liked such things, I don't like them now and that's all the justification I need to tell authoritarian bootlickers like you to fuck off.

>>2680862
Oh, so you're in the same camp as Rand, where everything is a moral claim. Well you're an idiot who strips morality of its meaning.

>>2680864
>muh feels
Nobody cares that you personally feel a ruler is tyrannical, there's no objective morality it's all just a matter of social convenience remember?

>>2680882
>Well you're an idiot who strips morality of its meaning

So much for subjective morality...

>>2680906
And? It's in his and other's interests that they not live under tyranny. This kind of shit is pretty easy to justify in a basically egoistic fashion.

>>2680906

No one cares if you feel a ruler is tyrannical, God made them the ruler, remember?

>>2680912

He didn't claim that morality comes from an imaginary being, what's your point?

>>2680913
>It's in his and other's interests that they not live under tyranny.
It is impossible to prove this claim.

>>2680912
You people are why laws have to be byzantine. I personally feel that you're a moron because you've stripped the world morality of it's socially accepted meaning to instead mean "any statement ever."

>>2680906
It's not just my own personal feelings though, disdain for tyranny is why I live in a nation run by elected officials rather then hereditary monarchs/nobles.

>>2680757
No, not at all. There is no 'common range of experience' unless one is referring to mere objects, like rocks.
>>2680758
Reason worship is a children's cult.
>>2680763
I am not acting as myself, I am a Thespian acting as you are. You are the child.
>>2680766
Systematizing has no merit.
>>2680773
>rational
>clear-headed
Platitudes.
You are religious, you simply do not call your god 'god'. A rose by any other name...

>>2680789
>absurdity is bad
Why
>proof is good
Why
>vulgarity
When in Rome...
The perspective of the Godless is irrelevant.
>>2680803
There is only one God.
>which interpretation of God?
The Tower is the source of disagreements.

>>2680822
Why would I engage with you?
>>2680824
You already live under the dictates of a tyrant, and always have.
Also, >muh fefes say is bad
doesn't make something immoral.
>>2680834
I've never used a tripcode.

>>2681376
>>Reason worship is a children's cult.
I don't worship reason, I just don't worship your deity.

>>You are religious, you simply do not call your god 'god'. A rose by any other name...
No actually, this is wrong, I do not ascribe to any religious faith and therefore I am not religious. Your inability to understand simple concepts and your descriptions of words like rationality and clear-headedness as being mere platitudes just makes you look like a retard.

>>2681397
>why?
Because the rest of us have better things to do with our time then to waste it on people who take chick tracts seriously.

>>There is only one god
Uh-huh and why should I believe you? You have apparently discarded the need for any sort of proof for your claims and therefore again why should I prefer your superstition over any other?

Maybe I would prefer Asartru or the Religio Romana over whatever you believe in?

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>>2681397
>Tower of Babel was a real place/event

>>2681437
>don't worship reason,
Yes you do, you are down-right spooked by it.
> I do not ascribe to any religious faith and therefore I am not religious.
You are no different than the protestant dopes that claim to be 'followers of Christ' rather than Christians, or the other dopes that 'follow Buddhism as a philosophy' rather than what it really is.
>look like a retard
Why is this relevant? Back to your herd!
Reason and clear-headedness are absolutely platitudes, which you only value due to centuries of indoctrination originating from Greek filth.

>>2681415
>>You already live under the dictates of a tyrant, and always have.
Which tyrant is this?

>>2681450
>better things to do
Why is this relevant?
>superstition
Platitude.
>>2681452
Proof doesn't exist.

>>2681460
The herd. You are the tyrant and are ruled by tyrant. Stoic filth.

>>2681461
>Proof doesn't exist.
Evidence then? Arguing over terms means nothing.

>>2681468
Evidence doesn't exist. Why do you let yourself be tyrannized by these mere thoughts?

>>2681453
>>Yes you do, you are down-right spooked by it.
Wrong. Stirnerfag.


>>You are no different than the protestant dopes that claim to be 'followers of Christ' rather than Christians, or the other dopes that 'follow Buddhism as a philosophy' rather than what it really is.
Wrong again.

>>Why is this relevant? Back to your herd!
Not just a retard, but a painfully pretentious retard too. What's the matter faggot, is Marx too mainstream for you so you had to go an pick a more obscure 19th century philosopher to get your ideas from?

>>Reason and clear-headedness are absolutely platitudes, which you only value due to centuries of indoctrination originating from Greek filth.
Nah. I value things like reason, logic and clear headed thought(note the word value, rather then worship, I am aware that human reason and logic are not perfect) because they are a large part of the reason why I live in a time of relative peace and plenty compared to earlier eras.

>>2681475
Is this what happens when one overdoses on philosophy?

>>2681461
>>Why is this relevant?
Because I'd rather have my cock sucked by a whore then waste time reading idiotic bullshit and I value my time highly? Hell the only reason that I'm still even posting here is that I enjoy laughing at pseudo-intellectual faggots like you.

>>2681481
>Wrong
Keep telling yourself that.
>Not just a retard, but a painfully pretentious retard too
Stirner isn't obscure, and I dislike the dope just a bit less than I dislike you.
> I value things like reason, logic and clear headed thought(note the word value, rather then worship, I am aware that human reason and logic are not perfect) because they are a large part of the reason why I live in a time of relative peace and plenty compared to earlier eras.
So, you're spooked by them? You fear the absence of them.

>reason is part of the reason
You don't see the noncommunication in this statement?
>>2681495
The only cock getting sucked is the cock of your tyrants.

>>2681511
I don't fear the absence of reason and logic, I just recognize that they are a large part of the reason why my life is a lot more comfortable then the lives other people in prior eras and in less developed nations now.


>>The only cock getting sucked is the cock of your tyrants.
Hmm no, my dick gets the sucky-sucky treatment from various whores on a semi-consistent basis.

>>2681534
So, you fear the absence, but do not want to admit it?
>Hmm no, my dick gets the sucky-sucky treatment from various whores on a semi-consistent basis.
A typical claim of teenagers across the globe.

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Humanity was a mistake.

>>2681542
>>So, you fear the absence, but do not want to admit it?
No. If I fear anything it is the loss of the various technological developments that allow me to live a comfortable existence.

>>A typical claim of teenagers across the globe.
So? I know where to find prostitutes online and I pay them for sex every couple weeks. The fact that teens like to brag about their sexual conquests real or imagined has little to do with this.

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>>2677444
In publically funded schools, it's largely because the students are multi-denominational and multi-religious.

So, to remain unbiased, particularly in nations with separation of church of state (ie. most developed nations), you are left with two choices: Teach every religion, or teach none. Suffice to say, the latter is much more practical than the former.

Public schools don't directly teach morality of any sort for similar reasons, only academics. You might, if you're lucky or in higher education, study ethics, but that's analysis of morality, and not morality itself.

So, if you want your kids to learn a specific set of morals unique to their culture, don't expect a multi-cultural public institution to do it for you. Teach them yourself, send them to church, or send them to private religious school, whatever way you tend to swing.

Though I will say I'm very much against the idea of "letting them be free and find their own path" - as that basically defeats the entire purpose of having parents beyond conception. Children need a guiding hand, and if you don't guide them, someone else will.

>>2677444
Because your supposed to learn ethics from your parents and from experience.
As for instilling "relative morality" you're gonna have to explain that one, when does academia engage in moral relativism?

>>2678113
Its an argument for both.

>>2681605
It does tend to teach that multiple moral models exist, particularly as part of history, so in that sense, it does teach moral relativism.

Or at least it does by the classic definition - I suspect he's actually talking about moral nihilism, which it doesn't teach, outside of maybe a philosophy class, but there you're learning about Kant, Aquinas, and Spinoza as well.

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>>2681605
>respect all cultures
>even the ones that condone/encourage child rape

>>2678547
Most of the world didn't develop under your judeo-christian values William, you're argument is pretty easy shit on, maybe you should let some smarter Christians do that for you and go read a bible or something, it will probably tell you our society was built by 3 incestual couples.

>>2681642
Public schools may teach about Aztec sacrifices and the like, but I've yet to come across one that advocates it as a valid moral model to be respected.

At best, they might demand you respect the religious rights of your fellow students - but odds are not a lot of them are practicing human sacrifice (or one would hope).

>>2680919
What's your point?

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>>2681655
What about those who support terrorism on the very people that helped them?

>>2681376
>There is no 'common range of experience'
So you are in fact claiming it is possible for a human to experience the life of a sea cucumber.
Great, I just wanted to establish that for the record.

>>2681671
I dunno, most public schools come down on students attempting acts of terrorism on campus pretty hard.

Though, in LA, I suppose it's just a suspension, given how often it happens.

>>2681642
>respect all cultures
No you're supposed to respect all PEOPLE, despite their culture. Also your interpretation of academia is extremely radical.
>even the ones that condone/encourage child rape
oh you mean most of western culture until the late 19th century? KEK
>>2681629
It doesn't seem like that is what their getting at, just judging by the post in support of OP, its hard to tell though because they're not actually saying much outside of indecipherable anecdotes and trolling.

>>2681683
>they're not actually saying much outside of indecipherable anecdotes and trolling.
Welcome to & humanities.

(Well, welcome to 4chan in general, really...)

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>>2681652
>he doesn't know that all religions prior to Christianity were meant to prepare us for it
>what is post-fall degradation?

>>2681655
>- but odds are not a lot of them are practicing human sacrifice (or one would hope).
Give it time, our Christian moral foundations haven't entirely dissolved yet.

>>2681683
>No you're supposed to respect all PEOPLE, despite their culture.
Why should I respect child rapists and cannibals?

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>>2681683
>Also your interpretation of academia is extremely radical.
You mean that liberals wish for white males to kill themselves and reject the God who provided for them?
http://www.professorwatchlist.org

>>2681701
Well, the idea that killing humans in the name of the gods is wrong far predates Christianity.

On the other hand, if people are starving, it is one of those ancient practical policies that tends to go out the window right quick.

>>2681629
Moral nihilism is a logical extension of moral relativism.

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>>2681708
This guy gets it.

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>it is this thread again
>meritards & their skydaddy

>>2681708
this
>respecting people despite their culture
what a fucking retarded statement

>>2681732
Begone Carl Pagan, and take your star-shit with you.

>>2681723
The two are actually mutually exclusive. If you have one, you can't have the other. Either there are specific morals in play in different cultures (relativism), or there are none at all (nihilism).

Relativism doesn't demand you respect other groups with different morals - if anything, it predicts you probably will not, and there will be conflicts as a result. It dictates that you are subject to the moral mores of the society and culture in which you live, including any moral dictate it may have against another group.

Nihilism, on the other hand, says there are no morals for anyone anywhere.

Why do mainstream religions wish to remove science from the classroom and instill mythology in their students (among other things)?

>>2681742
>It dictates that you are subject to the moral mores of the society and culture in which you live, including any moral dictate it may have against another group.
>Nihilism, on the other hand, says there are no morals for anyone anywhere.

These are functionally the same statement, unless you're claiming that moral nihilists believe people are immune to having the moral dictates of others forced upon them. In which case it sounds like "moral nihilists" are very silly people who don't actually exist for long outside of insane asylums.

>>2681693
oh look, the christard is pulling random nonsense out of his ass in order to justify his stupid beliefs again.

>>2681743
Fedoras genuinely believe history began in the 1990s, amazing.

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>>2681743
>why do people want lies removed and instill truth
Quite the conundrum

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>>2677444
stop praying in my school and I'll stop thinking in your church.

Why do you doubt the grandeur and consistency of creation? Why do you think God is less present in a statistic about teen pregnancy and the proven effect that easy access contraceptives have on reducing out of wedlock children? Why are Evangelical and Catholic teenagers the most likely to have an accidental teen pregnancy and Jewish and atheist teenagers the least likely? If God didn't want us focusing on hard math and science, then why do they yield such fruitful results? Why do you think our societies trend towards increasingly benevolent forms even as older traditions fade into obscurity and poetic license? Where in the Bible does it say that we must pluck out the eye of reason when faced with a seeming contradiction between creation and scripture when what we should be evaluating if it is our interpretation of the scriptures, not the scripture or creation itself, which is in the wrong.

Because they didn't align your preconceived biases so you disregard them, that's why. You are a sinner and faux Christian, exactly the kind of person Jesus was railing against, exactly the kind of person who was first to be cheering when yet another law breaker met his just rewards. Shame on you.

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>>2681769

>>2681789
We're just asking you to start thinking in your schools.

>>2681768
What /pol/ advocates, "there's these other people who believe differently us and they must die - DEUS VALT!" is the very essence of moral relativism.

Their admitting another morality exists, that their own is better, and the other must be stamped out. That's moral relativism.

A moral realist, like C.S. Lewis, on the other hand, would suggest there is a universal morality, and that one only needs reason with the other side until it is revealed to both of you, and human reason will cause you inevitably to agree.

Moral relativism suggests otherwise, insisting that, unless they were born and raised within your society, this may not be the case. They literally have a different set of morality than you. Therefore your only choices maybe genocide - be it physical or cultural.

Meanwhile, moral nihilism just says none of it matters.

I'm failing to see how any of the three positions are "functionally the same", given that they each result in entirely different outcomes.

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>>2681789
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," Romans 1:22

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matthew 6:24

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." Matthew 12:30

>>2681809
>Their admitting another morality exists, that their own is better, and the other must be stamped out. That's moral relativism.

That's not only incorrect it's downright retarded.

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>>2681842
Cont.
"And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." Romans 1:23

"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen." Romans 1:25

>>2681803
You actually think this dumbshit counts as an argument don't you?

lol

>>2681847
It's absolutely correct - people just tend to confuse moral relativism with moral nihilism.

Moral relativism predicts that each group will dictate its own morality, and there will be conflict. True, it doesn't dictate which group is right - but it assumes each member of each group believes it is their group that is so.

That doesn't mean they absolutely can't get along - they can adapt to one another, both collectively and individually, but, unlike under moral realism, they don't necessarily have any universal ground that they can all agree upon. So, most often, eventually, one view has to become dominant.

But unlike nihilism, they are still fully subject to the morality they live under. There will be conflicts because morality actually matters.

>>2681887
>It's absolutely correct - people just tend to confuse moral relativism with moral nihilism.
That's because moral relativism gets tossed around as a buzzword with no real understanding, and folks get to thinking it requires one to respect other cultures, when in reality, it's just the opposite. It suggests that most cultures will not respect one another and there will be irresolvable incompatibilities.

Granted, moral nihilism doesn't demand you respect other cultures either - not even your own.

In the end, only moral realism demands that you respect all humans as rational beings, regardless of culture, and that you work together so as to better match the supposed universal morality common to all man (and perhaps all the universe, depending on the particular realism's flavor).

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>>2681842
>>2681863
. 4You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Galatians 5:1

throwing up walls of random, vaguely related scriptures in a mad attempt to cover up the pathetic state of your faith is just not convincing.

I don't serve two masters, I humble myself before creation, while you arrogantly, stubbornly cling to failing, antiquated interpretations of the scripture, like the Pharisees who were more interested in social control than actually tending to their masses.

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>>2682183
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matthew 7:15

"But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Matthew 16:23

And you are no different than the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, who wish to add on to the infallible Word of the Lord Most High for social points. We are to be persecuted and scorned, not celebrated. You wish to make man into God.

>>2677444
Because postmodernism is in vogue

>>2682420
>"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matthew 7:15

Amen, fuck all false prophets like Jesus or John or Mohemmed (piss be upon them all).

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>>2682440
Jesus and John came before Paul, and Mo was a kiddie-fiddler.

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>>2677714
>Evolutionists (Satanists) DESTROYED

>>2681572
The developments you claim to come from 'logic and reason'.
>I know where to find prostitutes online and I pay them for sex every couple weeks.
No you don't.

>>2681680
>if there are no common experiences, then CLEARLY a person can live like a sea cucumber
Go fuck yourself.

>>2681789
>proven
Proof doesn't exist.
>If God didn't want us focusing on hard math and science, then why do they yield such fruitful results?
The results are only fruitful if one hates God and loves their stomachs.

>>2681680
>So you are in fact claiming it is possible for a human to experience the life of a sea cucumber.

You actually can, it's called a vegetative state.
You just simply eat, breathe and defecate

>>2682640
>isn't losing something opposite of evolution?
...no?

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>>2682776
>Proof doesn't exist.
Once again, the faux Christian buries his head in the sand and shies away from rational evidence because the facts of creation aren't what he wishes they were
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1400506
https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/access-to-free-birth-control-reduces-abortion-rates/

>The results are only fruitful if one hates God and loves their stomachs.
You said, typing on a miracle-box sending electrons hundreds, even thousands of miles away without a single prayer or invocation of the divine necessary in order to do so. I bet God loves historically low infant mortality rates, too!

Or maybe he rewards those who pay proper reverence to creation, rather than to backwards hillbillies ingesting snake poison and speaking in "tongues" and other ballyhoo that faux Christians get into when they gouge out the eye of reason.

>>2683570
Sorry, rational evidence doesn't exist.
>faux Christian
Smashing idols is wrong? Not putting false gods before God is wrong?

Why don't you actually read the Bible?

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>>2683586
>Sorry, rational evidence doesn't exist.
>LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOUR "RESEARCH" OVER THE SOUND OF HOW MUCH I LOVE JESUS!
You are the worst scum that religion has to offer, the one making the rest of us look bad.

>Smashing idols is wrong? Not putting false gods before God is wrong?
No, ignoring creation because it gives facts that make you uncomfortable is pig-headed, imbecilic, and speaks not only to a vile sort of pride in your own ignorance, but also to a profound insecurity regarding your faith.

>>2683602
HOW DARE YOU NOT PUT FALSE GODS BEFORE GOD AAHHH REEEE IF YOU REJECT THIS FALSE GOD YOU REJECT CREATION REEEEE

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>>2683612
And now you've gone full sperg mode because you have no argument of substance.

Thanks for the laugh, Jesus did say that the hypocrites were the ones standing out in public praying specifically for the purpose of being seen by others, and I take solace in the fact that morons like you have already received your reward in full.

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>>2683602
Don't play into the Gishite's (people of Gish) game. They are so deluded as to say these are one and same.

>>2683619
I wasn't aware idolaters were rewarded by anybody worthy of praise.

>>2677895
>argument from adverse consequences

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>>2683622
There is nothing idolatrous about the exercise of reason. It is the proper exercise of our God-given skills, and it has paid off bigly for humans. By studying the natural world, we are studying the intentions of God, as it is the only really effective means of determining the worth of one interpretation of scripture over the other.

>>2683634
>God-given
Reason is not God-given.
Catholic delusion is idolatry at its height.

>>2678514
And...

What if morals are relative?

>>2677574
>Whats to keep me from becoming a god

Birth of a JRPG villain right there.

>>2677601
muh humanism

>>2677444

Because, its profitable.

The rampant materialistic godlessness you see isn't the byproduct of marxist influence; its a capitalist. The moment a person actually starts standing up for his beliefs or attempts to engage in philosophical/theological apologetics is the moment he can no longer be used as a mindless consumer or worker.

>>2683641

>Catholic delusion
>Not knowing that most catholic theologians and philosophers helped shape the very fundamental ideas of western civilization

>>2683667
Western civilization is Godless and sick.

>>2680787
WLC isn't just a youtuber. He's one of the world's leading Apologists.

>>2683667
Looks like someone need to start with the motherfucking greeks

>>2679121

P spooky

>>2677717
How? This was one of the bizarrely informative comics on science I've ever read. The teacher actually explained himself. If anything believing in God prevents Jack Chick from going comic kino