free will and islam's view of sin

>>2675662
Cite where this js in the Quran

free will still exists, in the same way that you would still have free will if you stubbed your toe and you said ow

to hate sin is a reflex, choice doesn't come into it

>>2675662
I'm pretty sure Islam rejects free will

>>2675751
no it doesn't

>>2675771
one of their 6 articles of faith is belief in predestination

>>2675807
really? that's ironic because it seems to me all of their religion was fed into them from an early age just like inserting a program into a computer. And the output of their minds is just as predictable as that of the output of a computer, 100% based on the input. Furthermore, why do they think they have the right to view a man who hates his mother as a sinner and a bad person, if his mind being of that character is a result of his mother's behavior among other things. It seems like a contradiction to me. Honestly I believe ordinary people have no free will at all and are totally manipulated by the elite, who might have some free will perhaps.

What I meant by the OP is that there seems to be a contradiction. It can't both be true that if you hate your mother you sin AND that if your mother sinned her child would hate her as punishment. And another thing on top of this: if there is no punishment there is no sin. If your mother could do ANYTHING and get no negative consequences from it, then nothing would be a sin. A third thing that is related to this is the whole concept of argumentum ad populum, the bandwagon effect, that is so extremely prevalent in society. Take for example a thing like mental disorder. A mother can for example view her son as mentally disordered for cutting all connections with her and hating her etc. while totally denying that her own actions were responsible at all.

>>2675807
>predestination
which just means that God knows the future and the choices you will make but you're still making your own choices.

>>2675866
This confuses me. I get that God is all knowing, but surely if he knows what I will choose before I do then I don't truly have free will as I will only ever choose the one thing God knows I will choose, and can never choose to choose something apart from what God knows I will choose, right?

FOR FUCK'S SAKE Nobody read the fucking OP. Everybody literally only read the title of the thread and are now discussing only that. FUCKING DUMBASSES

>>2675887
Because OP is retarded.

The topic of the thread isn't free will and Islam in general. It's about the contradiction that seems to exist from my observations.

This contradiction:

>It can't both be true that if you hate your mother you sin AND that if your mother sinned her child would hate her as punishment.

>It can't both be true that if you hate your mother you sin AND that if your mother sinned her child would hate her as punishment.

>It can't both be true that if you hate your mother you sin AND that if your mother sinned her child would hate her as punishment.

>It can't both be true that if you hate your mother you sin AND that if your mother sinned her child would hate her as punishment.

>>2675890
no, you are retarded

>>2675807
>one of their 6 articles of faith is belief in predestination

All the monotheisms with an omnipotent God by definition 'believe' in predestination - God already knows all that will come to be otherwise he would not be 'all-knowing'. Even some religions without such a God believe in some level of 'predestination' whether it's the the karma of action and consequence, or the fruits of their being believers to whatever divine mercy they believe to come for being followers in the first place.

>>2675807
Islam has 5 pillars and none of them are predestination, though as another anon pretty much said, all the Abrahamic faiths believe in predestination because they believe in an omniscient, omnipotent god.

>>2675872
No. Think on it longer. Knowing you will make a decision hardly constitutes forcing you to make a decision, does it?

>>2676056
6 articles of faith refers to iman, not the five pillars of islam

>>2675894
You need to make your argument for why none of that can be true.

>>2676075
Very well. Predestination still doesn't negate free will, if it even exists.

>>2676080
>You need to make your argument for why none of that can be true.
Not "none of that". Not both simultaneously. To sin means to do wrong. How can you be doing wrong when you're doing what God commanded, i.e. your actions are the punishment in action.

>>2676145
furthermore their is in my opinion a huge hypocrisy in all of islam, or at least among all so-called muslims, this thing that's in the bible about seeing the speck in the brother's eye but not the log in your own eye. Acting out punishment for other people's sins is pretty much what Islam is all about, yet they constantly bash others for doing just that, involuntarily.