Eastern Orthodox church

>>2675465
You can't convert to eastern orthodoxy, you have to be born into it

>>2675465
>What should i know
That it's shit.

>>2675476
Fuck off

>>2675465
Actually talk to a Orthodox priest rather than just reading a REDPILLED greentext on /r9k

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>>2675465
It pretends to be a universal church but in reality it's a loose grouping of ethnonational churches whose main goals are social control and political power over their particular ethnic subjects.

>>2675465
What's your ethnicity?

>>2675526
>main goals are social control and political power
Stop memeing you fuck, this can be said of every church that has ever existed.

Orthodoxy is extremely ethnic because of no pope and no emperor to keep the church more tightly knit.

Pretty mystic overall, but fairly similar to Catholicism still desire developing a different set of saints and traditions.

>>2675517
i already wrote to one trying to schedule a meeting. But i like to read.

>>2675533
Polish, full slav.

>>2675476
thats bullshit and even i know it.

>>2675549
>this can be said of every church that has ever existed.

No. Roman Catholicism renounced seeking secular power with Vatican II. Many protestant churches are deeply committed to the separation of church and state.

>Stop memeing you fuck
Don't you have school in the morning?

>>2675557
There's no Polish Orthodox Church dude. You're going to be an outsider.

>>2675569
>Protestants
>Supporting separation of church and state

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>>2675569
>Many protestant churches are deeply committed to the separation of church and state.
Oh how I fucking wish.

>>2675569
Oi Crommie

>>2675465
You could this out this cool little site.
http://www.myriobiblos.gr/

>>2675465
Read the NASB bible instead. It can stop you from making terrible mistakes like converting to Paulianity.

>>2675465
>im buddhist for the last ten years
>i decided to convert to eastern orthodoxy
>befor being buddhist this guy followed another cult
are you one of those who just jump around while feeling bored to death?

Why are you converting if you haven't even read up on it? This some faggy ethnic heritage thing you're trying to do?

>>2675574
there is, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Orthodox_Church

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>>2675465
The subject says Eastern Orthodoxy but the image says Oriental Orthodoxy

Make up your mind

>>2675604
Is it about Sio Bibble?

>>2675626
ive read the wikipedia page, and ive been in the mass on saturday. I felt at home in the church, so i read up a bit on it and so far i feel like its the right thing to do, and i agree with what i read, but how deeply into theology does wikipedia really go?

>>2675625
i was catholic, then atheist, then like a year or two of confusion caused by being an edgy teen trying magic and shit, and then buddhism.

>>2675465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5EPs9EqIsc

>>2675637
i didnt know. as i said im newfag into orthodoxy. Thats an image that came up on google.

>>2675465
What's the point of being religious in 21st century? Or you live in some backward shithole where people still don't like atheists?

>>2675659
Being atheist is shitty. People need religion.

>>2675645
It's not like mass goes deeply into theology. Atheist LARPer who try to use religion and mysticism to deal with nihilism are the worst.

>>2675645
Yeah, that's what I thought. Your whole approach is shit. You don't fucking choose a fancy religion every few years because you read something about it, you dipshit. You never were a Buddhist and you'll never be an orthodox Christian. Why do you even want to convert?

>>2675669
Weak people (aka slaves, aka untermensches) need religion. Ubermensches don't need a god.
God is dead.

>>2675669
Being atheist is fine. Whether or not people need religion does not matter, because you as an individual are not people as a whole.

>>2675465
>redpill me

Ok.

They are servants of the demiurge.
They will send you to hell and put filthy spirits inside your body on baptism.
They lie a lot.

True religion is gnosticism, you have to achieve gnosis, worship Abraxas.

>>2675465
I am Studying to become an Orthodox priest.

I suggest you read S.Cyril of Jerusalem 's Cathechesis it works in giving some solid basis of our faith.

>>2675695
What went wrong with your life?

>>2675569
Oh boy are you are dumb.

>>2675697

He hates mankind, so he serves the demiurge.

>>2675695
Why are you in a sect that believes Jesus was born from anal sex?

>>2675707
wut

>>2675549
The Orthodox Church does have a pope.

>>2675671
i felt at home at the mass , touched if you will.

>>2675680
i was a buddhist for ten years, what the fuck you mean choose religions on a whim. I want to convert because the way i felt at the mass makes me thing i was wrong for the past ten years of my life and wasted them. Also, im still not 100% on converting. Ive set up a meeting with my local priest to learn about it first, first hand nstead of reading. But ffs, i want to also read about what im thinking of doing.

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serious question: Why would you choose picking a predefined religion over spiritual openness, self exploring and studying? Shouldn't dogmas seen as a thing from the past?

>>2675726
No. And there are several Orthodox Churches.

>>2675709
Orthodox understanding of Hypostatic Union requires Jesus's human body being born from sperm and egg, but to preserve Mary's virginity, it couldn't have been vaginal sex. Ergo, birth from sodomy (which I realize is actually more expansive than just anal).

>>2675728
So you just liked the decorations so to speak, and that's your reason?

>>2675734
not him but I think you can have an open faith and still benefit from a strong spiritual base

>>2675761
Dude, even if we'd want to seriously examine your bullshit, sperm from the ass can't get into the womb.

>>2675742
Bartholomew I and Theodore II are both popes in the Eastern Orthodox Church, so yes it does have a pope, in fact it has many.

What's with these threads?

Why do people just decide to convert to a religion and THEN ask what the religion entails? Do you just treat your religion like some meme fashion statement? Do you just wake up in the morning one day and go "I should LARP as an orthodox Christian today"?

>>2675776
They are not popes, idiot, they are patriarchs.

>>2675707
>>2675702
>>2675697
Not him but you're samefagging is obvious, pathetic faggot

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>>2675795

sounds like a pedantic distinction to me, why don't we just call them beardpopes and get over it?

who is your favorite beardpope, /his/?

>>2675476

Not according to Seinfeld dipshit. Costanza is able to convert despite him being a Jew.

Unfortunately George's ego gets in the way yet again.

>>2675776
The sense in which "pope" is used in orthodoxy is not the same as the Pope.
All the patriarchs are technically popes but that's pretty meaningless when reference to the Pope clearly has a different connotation.

>>2675802
>Not him
Kek.

t. >>2675697

>>2675802
No dude.

>>2675795
Are you aware that "pope" and "patriarch" both have the same Latin root, "pater" meaning father? It's not even semantics at this point.

>>2675804
Go read a book, fucktard.

>>2675816

Have any beardpopes written good books?

>>2675815
Yes I am. So what?

>>2675726 the original post this retard was responding to was clearly referencing the bishop of Rome, the pope, which is clearly different from orthodox popes.

Stop being retarded.>>2675815
>>2675804

>>2675774
Sure it can. It can leak out into the vagina.

>>2675844
I'm pretty sure the point of the immaculate conception is that there wasn't any semen required

>>2675806
George is Catholic in the show

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>>2675659
>What's the point of being religious in 21st century? Or you live in some backward shithole where people still don't like atheists?

>>2675870
Absence of evidence is evidence of non-existence, faggot.

God doesn't exist because if he did we would have physical proofs.

former protestant here. Read all the history of the early Christians and now here I am an agnostic

Convince me I am wrong

>>2675929
>former proddy
>now another kind of proddy
???

>>2675465
>redpill me
Fuck off.

>>2675933
Agnostics aren't protestants

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>>2675941
>Agnostics aren't protestants
next you'll say something silly like atheists aren't protestants either

>>2675929
>Convince me I am wrong
The problem with agnosticism is not that it's wrong (because it's obviously right), but that it's not a real position. Saying that you're an agnostic is like not saying anything. I'm an agnostic too, but I'm also an atheist.

>>2675944
Ok. Why am I wrong?

>>2675951
Ok. I just don't know once I realized how messy christianity was

>>2675929
I think Agnosticism is okay as a transition belief but I don't think it's really sustainable to just keep saying >well who knows guys I certainly don't but we'll never really know haha!
At some point you'll have to decide that you're an atheist, a theist, or at least some kind of spiritual because agnosticism has no convictions behind it, you're just some guy in a life boat getting thrown around in the ocean.

>>2675959
I don't really understand why messy throws people off so much. Of course it is messy, it was written and compiled by human beings. That's why Protestants are so... annoying. Complete Biblical inerrancy makes absolutely no sense, and nobody believes that except crazy YEC proddies.
If you don't want messy then convert to Islam, because it's the least messy of them all.

At least make a choice though. Either say fuck it or pick something.

>>2675764
i liked how it all made me feel. for once i felt any sort of actual belief in a church, something i never felt at catholic churches.

>>2675637
Those are identical apart from semantic issues. We share sacrements all the time.

OP, download some podcasts from Ancient Faith radio. For something more, read The Way of a Pilgrim, The Path to Salvation, Laurus (a recent novel), The Ladder of Divine Ascent, or the Ascetic Homilies of Saint Isaac the Syrian if you want to dip into hardcore Orthodoxy.

>>2675976
Islam is messier than Judaism. And they all are messier than Zoroastrianism. And then there's Hinduism, which is messy as fuck, but in a good way. And Bahai, I don't think it's messy. Or relevant.

>>2675984
So you were impressed. Yes, it can happen. It also happens that people who are easily impressed make up idealistic images of things that impressed them, and become really obnoxious.

>>2675994
>Judaism
I guess if you like rabbinic Judaism.

>Zoroastrianism
We don't even really know for sure what these niggers believe and most of it isn't even available in English, yeah?

>>2675994
>Baha'i
Come on dude

>>2675989
is ancient faith ministry lso a good youtube channel? i watched a few videos
also, what about catechical lessons of cyril of jerusalem? ill read the ones you reccomended

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>Christianity.

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>>2676028
Because it's not supposed to be bait. That's what happens with people.

>>2676035
youre basicly saying its bad im concidering converting. It does not matter what my first motive to research is, that is what simply started me on the journey to inquire if i want to do this. To convert i wont be relying solely on a gut feeling - i either accept the dogma and cotrine or i dont. Thats what matters - once i know what the hell i wanna throw myself into, do i accept it or not

>>2676023
I dunno, I haven't their YouTube, but I strongly recommend A Word from the Holy Fathers, a podcast.

I haven't read him, so I can't say, but he's a canonized saint so you can't go wrong. Another good intro to the faith is The Orthodox Church is One, by Khomiakov. Also An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, by Saint John of Damascus.

>>2675902
>Absence of evidence is evidence of non-existence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6m_XgJ5zOQ

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>>2675902

>>2676017
Saint Vladimir converted Rus based purely on the services.

Orthodoxy is not some specialized sect like Druze, Orthodoxy is the original form of Christianity, and if you are considering Christianity, it's the only way to go.

>>2675465
>What should i know before converting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KV6PXSODgE

>>2675902
What is Apophatic theology?

>>2675465
Get the Orthodox Study Bible

https://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Study-Bible-Hardcover-Christianity/dp/0718003594/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492453059&sr=8-1&keywords=orthodox+study+bible

>>2675476
This guy is wrong and an idiot

>>2675645
Fucking Christ. You weren't ever Bhuddist and you're not going to be an Eastern Orthodox Christian either.

You probably can't keep a job either.

>>2676104
It's as bullshit and pagan as Catholicism, and you know it.

Water does not wash away your sins.

Holy oil does not allow the Holy Spirit entrance into your body.

You're just getting a bath, and a rubdown.

>>2675929
Agnostic in latin is "ignoramus".

I cannot prove you wrong in your claim that you are an ignoramus.

>>2675976
Yes, bible believing Christians are so crazy that we should just worship a psychotic murderous pedophile.

>>2676104
>original form of Christianity

In Europe of all places. That would be like someone claiming the Catholic Church is the original form of Christianity.

If your shit came from Paul you fucked up. The stupid liar never even met Jesus.

>>2676208
I see satan's brigade is here.

Acts 9
And as he (Saul) journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

>>2676208
>hat would be like someone claiming the Catholic Church is the original form of Christianity.
it is

>>2676208
We should just stick with Peter, huh.

2 Peter 3
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

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>>2676211
And you believed that stupid shit.

>>2676214
I see what you did there.

>>2676221
Yes, absolutely. Everything properly in the bible is true, and that is properly in the bible.

Go ahead and tell me how Paul knew Jesus better than all of the other apostles combined, and new more about the New Covenant than all the other apostles combined, when Saul had nothing to do with Jesus until after his resurrection.

>>2676228
Who decides what's properly in the Bible?

Are we both trolling btw? One of us should stop.

>>2676235
The Holy Spirit of God, Who inspired all scripture.

>>2676235
>Are we both trolling btw?

Just you.

>>2676191
But why does it seem that the early Christians agree with them more. Like on the eucharist and baptism?

>>2676228
>Everything properly in the bible is a lie by the demiurge

Yep

>>2676246
I don't waste my time with demon possessed muslims, so this is pretty much the only (you) you'll get from me.

Seek professional help.

>>2676251
Reprobates call evil good, and good evil.

Your fate is woe. Woe beyond imagining.

>>2676266
>point out basic facts
>starts with strawman
Wow

>Justin Martyr

As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, and instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we pray and fast with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father... and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit [Matt. 28:19], they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, "Unless you are born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven" (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).

Demon possessed?

>>2676238
You're reading the Bible as compiled when and where then?

>>2676167
buying one in my native language soon.

https://youtu.be/hm2qSeiTCfI

>>2675465
Maybe you can still keep some of your Buddhist teachings and work it through your attainment of Christian knowledge if you're able to ignore all the heresy slamming.

https://youtu.be/lKSC-O85FUw
https://youtu.be/75GV2tjIJI8

>>2676191
>Water does not wash away your sins.
1 Peter 3:20-21- “… when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also…”

>>2675776

Orthodox Patriachs are not Popes, a Pope is considered infallible and the Patriarchs are first among equals.

Also every ethnic orthodox church has its own Patriach. they are unified within the holy sinod, like a board of directors. there is no one over them.

>>2675557
>Polish, full slav.

Eastern Orthodox is ethnically slavic and heavily influenced by Slavic paganism, welcome back brother.

>>2679296
>Eastern Orthodox is ethnically slavic and heavily influenced by Slavic paganism
what the fuck am i reading

seriously kill yourself

>>2676208
Orthodoxy is the predominant form of Christianity in the Middle East, and always has been. The church built over Christ's tomb is Orthodox.

>>2679273
The Pope of Alexandria is not considered infallible, neither was the Pope of Rome (who adopted the title after Alexandria) for the first thousand years of the see.

>>2675707
This is not true.

Also looking to join the Orthodox church, coming out of deism and feel compelled toward it.

Is there any real difference between the Greek and Antiochian Churches? There aren't many options in my area.

>>2680676
>>2676114

>>2680704

The pope has his place, but the papacy isn't supposed to be what it currently is.

>>2680713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8J-Ae8QPVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLaSMLSgEmQ

>>2680722

Use words, I don't have time to watch all these.

>>2680676
Although there are some exceptions because some converts have joined orthodox churchs like you are thinking about, these are by-and-large ethnic community churches.

The Antiochean church will be mostly Lebanese, Greek will be. well, Greeks. I don't think there will be theological differences, but cultural ones.

The Antiochean church considers itself basically Greek Orthodox; they align with that Patriarch.

>>2680738

That's what I thought.

There's a OCA church too but I read that they aren't recognized by other Orthodox?

I'm ethnically Italian but I don't really have any issue with Greeks if that's the issue.

>>2680753
Just don't mention the sacking of Constantinople... (joke)

It's just a question of the community the church is serving. It's possible that the congregations may be full of old folk and only do services in Arabic or Greek.

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>>2680731
The Chair of Peter is vacant, what you see in Rome currently is not actually the Catholic Church. You have 25 minutes? The video on Babylon is well worth the watch.

>>2680801
Not true! There is a Pope - he's American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bawden

>>2680808

Language barriers would be a problem, but theyd be up front about that I'm sure.

>>2680753
>OCA church too but I read that they aren't recognized by other Orthodox?
I think that only the Patriach in Constantinople is disputing their status.

>>2675465
Don't. It's retardation institutionalized. Works like a mafia. It would be a step backwards from buddhism.

>>2680838

That's a big deal isn't it?

>>2680753
OCA is recognizedby everyone, the only thing disputed is whether they are independent or Russian Orthodox. Russian Church and OCA say they indepedent, but Constantinople says they are Russian

>>2677914
the water did not save Noah.

The water threatened Noah's life.

>>2676334
By the early christians prior to the end of the 1st century, hundreds of years before Constantine bastardized and paganized what was Christianity into Catholicism.

>>2677914
Funny how you didn't finish that thought.

1 Peter 3
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Jesus' resurrection, and faith in Jesus' divinity and resurrection, saves people.

not water.

As always, taking the text out of context is pretext for a lie.

>>2681029

Ah. I had actually already sent an email to them but never got a response so I'd started looking elsewhere.

Never been a church-goer so I don't know if you can just walk in to speak to someone.

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>>2675465
I am half-Polish half Greek. I am Catholic while my siblings are Orthodox.
What do you want to learn? Got a Ukrainian gf or smthing?

>>2681078
That's generally how converts come to my church, which is Greek. But Antiochian Orthodox, at least here in the, are the most evangelical, they've converted >>2681078
hundreds of whole protestant churches, and do all their services 100% in English

>>2681248

So you can just walk in?

Are churches normally busy in like, the middle of the day typically?

I haven't been to one in years.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ePYe3lqsu-g
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXnaKqHKKuA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uxfoa23skHg

>>2681118
Then I guess Jesus lied when he told the thief on the cross he would be in Paradise that day.

I guess you believe Jesus is a liar.

I guess you believe all unbaptized babies are in hell.

I guess you are a monster.

>>2680738
>>2680753
For the record, OCA and Antiochian churches tend to be very convert-heavy in the United States. As far as I know Antiochians are only ethnic-heavy in major urban centers.

>>2681662
I mean unless it's a very busy church you probably can't just show up at a random time and meet anyone. Try going to a service.

>>2675465
I used to be an Orthodox, now I'm an atheist. What religion were you before becoming a Buddhist and what made you want to switch? Then, what made you want to switch again?
(I'm not one of those "You're religious therefore you're scum" atheists, I'm just curios.)

>>2681662
Depends on the church size. Monastaries are actually the busiest, they are pretty much 24/7. But monastaries are also the only ones you can't just walk in with, you have to let them know way in advance.

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>>2675557
>be sort of white, pseudo-european polish
>devolving into a belarussian, ukie bydlo/hohol nigger shitskin

why do you do this to yourself?

>>2675902
God is not “Ens Summum” (The Highest Being) but instead God is “Ipsum Esse Subsistens” (The sheer act of existence itself)

>t. Aquinas

I am born Eastern Orthodox and it's just the worst. The service is boring, the clergy is unspeakably corrupt and greedy, the doctrine is meh and younglings that do bother going to church are weirdo fucks that everyone laughs at.

You'd fit right in OP you LARPing cocksucker.

>>2682428
He was nothing he's just LARPing and following fads.