Armor thread

>>2673251
On this overall topic I've been wondering something:

Are gambesons, linothoraxes, and subarmalises all roughly synonymous pieces of armor?

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why is brigandine and coat of plates the best looking armour

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>>2674839

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>>2674840

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>>2674859

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>>2674864

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>>2674867

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>>2674866

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>>2674870

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>>2674871

>>2674871
Is that gold-looking stuff brass?

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>>2674862
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>>2674869
Fuck Doublets

>>2674875
Pity there isn't much surviving chinese armour. It doesn't help that they only started doing much archeology in the last 60 years or so.

>>2674875
Chinese armor is pretty cool I like the dragon style

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>>2675601
just searched for south east asian armor. what the hell is this? I'm pretty sure this ain't historical.

looks cool though

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I love me some medium infantry

>>2675589
Doublets?

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>>2676509
Anyone who wore Lorica Segmentata to battle was considered heavy infantry in their day. In fact even at the height of its use it wasn't ubiquitous among legionaries and was probably only reserved for elites or shock troopers, while the rank and file pedes made due with a chainmail shirt.

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i was going to make a thread about this but i think this question would fit here just fine.

why is the clearly gallic-looking helmets we see reenactors and historic illustrators use world-wide so accepted to be how the Roman helmets looked, despite all the iconography and depictions of the Romans themselves having helmets closer to this picture, with thinner, less significant cheek protection, and a curved, short neck guard? Are there really that many archeological finds that support such a definitive agreement on the design?

>you will never wear highly decorated lorica musculata similar to the Augustus of Prima Porta

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>>2676944
The propaganda images shown by rulers to an impressionable, illiterate populace rarely match the archeological record.

There may have been helmets that Romans preferred for aesthetic reasons but the thing that made the Gallic style helmets so effective was their simplicity and functionality.

The Romans were want to invest in complicated military equipment like the Lorica segmentata whose benefit over Lorica Hamata was incremental, but came at a huge logistics cost as now instead of a single helmet or a single mail shirt, you were having to keep track of dozens of pieces and replacement parts, which were often manufactured on the cheap and could be shoddy as hell in the field.

>>2675605
that and the countless fakes they make

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>>2677386

i considered the propaganda one to be the Attic that generals are often seen using, the one with the huge pointless wedge shape in the forehead meant to slightly evoke a crown.

these plan rank and file ones aren't ornate or complex at all compared to the quintessential Galea though, i find it weird that no relief, painting or sculpture anywhere would show something so visually striking like the huge flat neck guard or the square cheek pieces.

HBO's Rome actually had these helmets. I don't know if they have a specific name.

>>2674871
That is gorgeous

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>>2675998
The closest thing I've ever seen is some of that good Tibetan cavalry armor they have on display at the Metropolitan Museum in New York.

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>>2678545

compared to this

>>2678545
Those are Montefortino Helmets which are a Gallic design and one of the helmets we find a lot of in archeological sights, meaning that it was in widespread use for a long time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montefortino_helmet
Interestingly, The type of helmet you're referencing in this picture >>2678587
is known as the Imperial helmet, but helmets constructed by Gallic smiths were known to be more ornate and higher quality than the shoddy, mass produced junk coming out of the Italian manufacturing centers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_helmet

>>2678565
how useful even is that metal plate on his chest?

>>2680500
to stop the wind getting knocked out of you, it is common today in contact sports

>>2678565
They don't really look similar. the only thing they have in common is the mail.

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>>2675601
What's the original helmet for this? the ones I see is obviously of spanish design.

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>>2673251

renaissance armor is shit

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>>2673251

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>>2680835

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>>2680942

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>>2681016

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>>2681142

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>>2681196

>>2680865
This looks like it'd be really nice in cold weather but even then annoying to manage.

>>2680865
All embrace me, it's my time to rule at last

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>>2681142
>>2681196
>>2681268
Mah knigga

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>>2681890

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>>2681892

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>>2681896

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>>2681906

It surprised me how mobile you can really be in full plate armor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q

But can you imagine the sound of a hundred or more knights climbing ladders to breach your walls?

Fuck.

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>>2681912

>>2673251 hmmhmm!
>>2673264 huhuhhuh
>>2673282 urmmhmhmm...
>>2673287 ho-hoeh-ha-ho-ha
>>2674866 hahaa hahh.

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not posting the GOAT of armor

>>2680865
I have to admit, that cape is fucking A E S T H E T I C

>>2681890
y-you're a big saxon

>>2681878

15 years have I BEEN WAITING TO SIT UPON MY THRONE.

>>2683979
For you
>>2684010
No allegiance I will swear no oath

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Norman faceplate helmet are nice

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>>2684086

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>>2680835

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>>2684092

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>>2684091

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>>2684094

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>>2684095

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>>2682889
Yes

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This thing actually existed.

>>2684096
kawaii

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>>2684097

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roman cav masks are sweet

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>>2684149

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>>2684153

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>>2684155

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>>2684159

>>2684146
were these used to frighten the enemies?

>>2684165
it been a lot of speculation on what they was used as, some say combat other only parades,there are records of the cavalery auxilla using them in combat, and i read one article that they was used during cav training and then worn into combat by riders who exeld at somthing, one example

In his description of the elaborate exercises practised by the Roman auxiliary cavalry he called the Hippika Gymnasia, the historian, military commander, and friend of Hadrian was very clear about the use of face-mask helmets.

2. The riders themselves, according to rank or because they distinguish themselves in horsemanship, set off with golden helmets of iron or bronze, in order to attract the attention of onlookers by this means. 3. Unlike battle helmets, these defend not only the head and cheeks but, conforming to the faces of the riders, have openings for the eyes which do not hinder the vision and yet offer protection.

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>>2675998
Armor of the Moro people - chainmail interwoven with buffalo hide-brass-other metals

an odd mix of mail and plate

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The Caucasus has very interesting armor.

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>>2684443

This is a chechen

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>>2684446
Actually it might be a Georgian, found the photo of this very same guy

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>>2684448

More Georgians in mail.

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>>2684443

The Circassians are the best tho

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>>2684453

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>>2684454

>>2673301
>>2675537
Plz halp.

Why does SE never really develop much armor?

>>2684453

What are those "sticks" on that guys chest?

>>2685510
Paper cartridges for muskets maybe.

>>2685393
>>2673301
well i googled synonymous and i understand it to mean somthing like one and the same so in that case no the gambenson and linothorax are two diffrent kind of armour, the linothorax is more of a breast plate while gambeson is made to absorb blows, but from my understanding the gambeson and subarmalises are more like one and other, they both are made to absorb blows and worn under ex mail or other kinds of armour,

In other words linothorax=Breastplate
gambeson and subarmalises= Made to absorb blows

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>>2673287
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>>2673251
Not a fan of this type of armor.

>>2684094
Quack quack motherfucker.

>>2684091
That armor is fucking beautiful

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>>2681142
I love that early-medieval/'dark age'/fall of rome era barbarian aesthetic

something about the craftsmanship and luxury of their arms and armor, the class/fashion of it

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>>2684092
>>2684094
i never saw it before bannerlord


the armors in it are right up my alley, at least from what we've seen so far
no bully

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>>2688326
I remember reading somewhere that a set of mail, helm, sword and shield could cost you the equivalent of a Ferrari in their time. They were true ballers.

>>2681142
Lord of the rings man

>>2688361
Banner lord looks sweet, they tend to take armour from all times all around and i think that is nice

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I don't know how practical they were but aesthetically, samurai armors are god tier.
They are flashy, intimidating and the coolest.