Red pill me on Atlantis

That expansion for Age of Mythology fucking sucked

>>2671944
It was invented by Plato to make a point.

The continent of Atlantis was an island
which lay before the great flood
in the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean.
So great an area of land, that from her western shores
those beautiful sailors journeyed
to the South and the North Americas with ease,
in their ships with painted sails.

To the East Africa was a neighbour, across a short strait of sea miles.
The great Egyptian age is but a remnant of The Atlantian culture.
The antediluvian kings colonised the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from fair Atlantis.
Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth.
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, the farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.
Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new
Hail Atlantis!

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>Taking Plato's figurative language at face value

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The legend is an amalgamation of events during and prior to the bronze age collapse, mixing up the Minoan eruption with the sea peoples.

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>>2671965
Proof?

>>2671953
>>2671957
Redpill me on Plato and his connection to Atlantis

Plato made up a single fucking allegory to illustrate the nature of man and EVERYONE in western civilization took him literally

If there's supposedly an Atlantis then how come there's no Pacificis?
Checkmate Atlantisicists.

>>2671944
Hispania is Atlantis

>>2671944
It doesn't exist.

>>2672044
He made it up.

>>2672050
>EVERYONE in western civilization took him literally
Not really. Before the nineteenth century, it seems to have been pretty rare for people to think Atlantis was an actual place. That's mostly the result of spiritualism and people like Edgar Cayce.

Inspired by an ancient city underneath the Sea of Azov, beyond the pillars of Hercules (Bosphorus). Rising sea levels destroyed it and the ruins were covered with shoal in ancient times. Its sinking led to a diaspora known as indo-european invasions, and was he origin of flood myths

>>2672083
There were already Greek colonies in Iberia. It wasn't a mystery.

>>2672019
The correlations are obvious.

Chad.

>>2671944

It's Crete. Plato says it was 9000 years ago, so many miles away, and the size of Europe plus Libya. if you assume his numbers are all off by 10, you get a Crete-sized island, roughly as far from Athens as Crete is, 900 years before Plato's time, ie, during the height of the Bronze Age and the peak of Minoan power. It also lines up the eruption of Thera that devastated the Minoans with the Gods striking Atlantis down with waves.

it's the azores

>>2671952
Did not

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>>2672148
>pillars of Hercules
>Bosphorus

>>2672291
This and the Atlanteans invading everyone including Egypt stems from the sea peoples as said here >>2671965

Seems pretty obvious to me.

>>2672061
There is. It's called "Mu".

>>2672291
Interesting. Who came up with this theory?

>>2672291
Why does he specifically name the Pillars of Hercules then?

>>2672291
No. Plato knew what Crete was.

Plato was privy to an extremely old Pythogorean meme.

>>2672374
Then who's Lemuria?

>>2673128

Mu is the Pacific rim, Lemuria is in the Indian Ocean and connected Madagascar with Australia and India.

>>2673099
To tie it back to something tangible to the people of the time

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>it's just figurative
>Plato didn't mean it literally
>the part where he traces the origin of the information is just more stories

So it's not the Greek island of Santorini?

>>2673190
No. Atlantis is Atlantis. It's currently under the ocean so it makes no sense to compare it to some place still above sea level. Also it was located somewhere in the Atlantic ocean passed the pillars of Hercules.

>>2671944
If it was a real place it was probably a city on the atlantic side of the Iberian peninsula

>>2673159
It is, though. The whole Atlantis story is told by Plato as a frame story used as an example by fictional characters engaged in a discussion about the nature of human beings.

It's not like Plato is giving a firsthand account of information he heard and he wants to audience to take as serious history. Atlantis is told as a story by made up characters in a fictional dialogue who are giving counter-examples as to how people act. The backstory is a necessary part of establishing the story in this fictional universe. There's really nothing about how the story is told that indicates Plato wants the reader to think it's literal history.

>>2673190
The story very well could have drawn from bits and pieces of that island's story, but the story itself was never really meant to be taken literally.

One of the things a lot of people don't realize about Greek and Greek-influenced histories (particularly Roman and Punic) is that the Greeks regularly retconned their mythology to reinforce points or give legitimacy to something. If you look at the supposed locations of Hercules' deeds across time, you'll see that they were constantly shifting - usually, an important location would move to some new colony to attract settlers and "prove" that they belonged there. The Romans did it too, with the Aneid, and even Hannibal had a chronicler along on his expedition working to draw parallels between his expedition and the deeds of Hercules.

For the Greeks, the idea of a perfect history wasn't so important. They seemed more concerned with manipulating things to tell a better story or reinforce their points.

>>2673212
Plato is using a historical example from the antedeluvian period to make his point. The fact that he is using it to segue into his philosophical example does not mean he took it for a story. The "story" was told to Solon by Egyptian hierophants who knew it since their society survived the deluge, whereas the Greeks were descended from untutored goat herders who survived in the mountains. Plato also explains the cyclical theory of civilization destroying cataclysms that Solon received from Egypt, but of course for you that's just more "stories"

>>2673225
Plato didn't get the story of Atlantis from "mythology"? He claims it came from Egyptian hierophants who retained knowledge of the antediluvian world.

>>2673238
Should be a period not a question mark, sorry.

>>2672148
The origin of flood myths probably had more to do with so many ancient civilizations living in flood plains. I feel like a lot of people don't realize how sudden and how high the water rises in flat areas surrounding large river systems, even today. There are places along the mississippi where you can end up having 6 ft or higher floods in huge residential areas every 20 years or so.

They don't move because they are gay

>>2673238
>He claims it
Plato doesn't claim anything about Atlantis, his fictional characters do. And yes, that's a very important distinction. Again, it's a story told by fictional characters to make a point during a discussion about human nature, which the story fits very neatly into.

There's no indication that Plato wants to reader to think it's literal, and there are no Egyptian antecedents for the story. Plato is the first source, and he told it as an obviously fictional allegory. If you're so sure it was meant to be taken as history, it's kind of strange that none of his contemporaries thought the story was sincere. There's a reason no one took it as serious history until nineteenth century spiritualists started writings books about it

>>2671944
Graham Hancock is right its all on JRE.
Atlantis is the Azores. Look at a topographic map of the Atlantic Ocean.

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>>2671944
>Red pill me
kill yourself

>>2672342
did you even play it? It was horrible
>invent mary sue the faction
>it's okay guys! they can use powers twice, make any character a hero, generate favor just by existing and have ox carts by default... but they're not overpowered! No way!

>>2673288 Don't bother, anon. The guy you're responding to reeks of the obnoxious 'muh bible is a 100% infalliable source that trumps any other existing work and I'll just copy paste sections of it, samefag, and red herring about evolution to distract people when they catch on' that finds and proceeds to ruin every mesopotamia thread that is made.

>>2673911
>Doesn't comprrehend basic inoffensive memes

Go back

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>>2674956
>using cancerous /pol/ memes on /his/ because you get banned for posting these low quality threads on /pol/