Joan of Arc

>>2666030
Hero
Yes

>>2666030
She was French

She was a villain. Violence, no matter how justified or seemingly righteous it is, is never okay.

>>2666790
This so much holy shit

Did
>she
do anything?

>>2666790
Fucking this, this, thiiis.

>>2666790
Fucking THIS so much shit

>On the one hand, Joan stated that she carried her banner in battle and had never killed anyone,[44] preferring her banner "forty times" better than a sword;[45]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc

Villain who got what she deserved

>>2666906
ur english is howing

Did English win the war against the French, or did they absolutely destroy the French?

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>>2666030

Best waifu

>>2666925
Considering England was pushed back to their swamp, I'm pretty sure France won the 100 years war.

She ran around with the French army lifting up their spirits. She probably "cheered" the Lords and Barons leading those armies in "other" ways too.

She a hero in my book.

Nice thread anglos

>>2667342
The bestest.

>>2666790
>same fagging

>>2666030
She probably didn't exist...

>>2667403
This is the worst thing about history. If you aren't registered in a royal or an imperial document of some sort (mostly taxes btw) there's no proof said person existed.

>>2667410
>>2667403
Except Jeanne's trial was well documented.

>>2666925
Neither

>>2666030
A heroine moved by divine providence, or a schizophrenic angel that believed god was speaking to her.

>>2667364
Ummmm, no. The English won the war. Lindy said so.

>>2666030
So was she the first waifu? I mean from the French account of her she's sounding a whole lot like a waifu.

>Eyewitnesses described the scene of the execution by burning on 30 May 1431. Tied to a tall pillar at the Vieux-Marché in Rouen, she asked two of the clergy, Fr Martin Ladvenu and Fr Isambart de la Pierre, to hold a crucifix before her. An English soldier also constructed a small cross that she put in the front of her dress. After she died, the English raked back the coals to expose her charred body so that no one could claim she had escaped alive. They then burned the body twice more, to reduce it to ashes and prevent any collection of relics, and cast her remains into the Seine River.[93] The executioner, Geoffroy Thérage, later stated that he "greatly feared to be damned."[94]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc

>>2666030
She was both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muIEFxO6RA0

HERO.

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>>2667522
Fuck the English and the Burgundians.

>>2666030

Neither. She was a useful idiot.

>>2667624
T

>>2666790
buttmad Anglofag

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>>2667624
dont speak ill of the based duchy of burgundy or they will inherit your lands as well

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>>2667666
>devil trips

Makes sense. Still, they won't be so based with a axe splitting their skull open.

>>2666030
>makes the French turn around their shitty situation
>gets burned at the stake

I'm not familiar with Joan's story? Why did she get executed if she turned it all around for for the frenchies?

>>2667834

The Frog is a naturally treaterous creature. One of them grew bu8ttmad that a girl was leading troops, and sold Joan out to her enemies the Burgundians, who tried her for witchcraft. She was acquitted, but then burned because she refused to stop wearing men's clothes.

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>>2667834
She appeared out of of nowhere, boosted French morale immensely despite failing to attain some of her objectives, but then got captured by the Burgundians, who sold her to the English, who accused her of heresy. She was acquitted, but since the English still wanted her gone, they accused her of cross dressing (she had been wearing male clothing to be more difficult to rape in prison), then she was burned to death. Which then gave a martyr for the French to fight for, which boosted their morale even more. The Burgundians, who had backstabbed the King, then backstabbed the English. And it was all downhill for them from then on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Joan_of_Arc

Her trial was annulled 25 years later, and she was considered a national hero from then on, but only beatified and canonized in the early 20th century.

>>2667851
Is that what they teach you in Anglo countries?

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>tfw this little sketch in the margin of a manuscript is the only contemporary depiction we have of Jeanne

>>2666790
>Samefagging this much

>>2666795
>>2666867
>>2666873
careful with the multi posting

>>2666030
>Villan
>if you're a butthurt Anglo

>Hero
>If you're catholic: She was named a saint
>If you have any remote knowledge of History
>If you're not gay
>If you think a 19 year old girl riding into battle and rallying all of France was any bit of an unordinary thing

Before anyone gets any wild fantasies, realize that she came from a time when women were, shall we say, more hairy and less groomed?

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>>2666790
utilitarianism motherfucker kill one to save many

>>2668071
Utilitarianism isn't as objective as you think and it's the ideology of defeatists.

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>>2668060

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She was a witch and anal whore.

>>2666790
>eternal anglo

>>2667921
Nice tits tho.

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>>2668194

>>2666790
t. butthurt Brit

>>2667460
lindy is a fag and should be castrated

>>2671228

being made french is indeed a terrible fate

>>2668015
This, pretty much.

Anybody coming from an objective place would see that Jeanne was pretty much a textbook heroine.

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>>2668060
>tfw you'll never teach joan how to be a proper woman as she return from the battlefield

>>2667403

There's word for word transcripts of her trials, in addition to numerous mentions in other sources.

>>2667342
Sauce

>>2667342
That doesn't mean anything in french and in the oldest representation of her she doesn't look half Mexican like this

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>>2671809

Drawfag on /sexyhis/ thread who drew a bunch of pregnant Anne Frank pics

>>2671845
http://deviants-despository.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=artist:livium

His name's Livium, apparently.

>>2666030
Glorified cheerleader

>>2671845
>>2673515
When will he grace us with his presence and draw female Napoleon?

thot. probably would be wearing a choker if she was around today.

>>2667342
please not not sexualize my wife

>>2666790
>>2666795
>>2666867
>>2666873
Lol

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>>2673677

>Livium

Must be a Paean fan

https://paean-estonia.bandcamp.com/album/livium

>>2673677

You could always throw up another /sexyhis/ thread using his OC to try and coax him back in.

I just hope he keeps doing these Anne Frank drawings, on top of being great fap material, they're just nice to look at and imagine the kind of life she could've enjoyed (i.e. becoming a mother) had the Nazis possessed the slightest decency and restraint or had the Allies had been faster in subduing them (no offense intended to the Allied soldier, especially Americans who did more than could've been asked of them for a fight that some argue wasn't their's to begin with). But it'll definitely be funny to see his spin on Napoleanne now with this faceapp crazy.

>>2667342

DELET THIS

JOAN WAS A PURE MAIDEN OF CHRIST

>>2674519
He said the Anne Frank fetishists weirded him out, and that he lost all interest in it. Doubt he'll ever show up again desu.

Good job, guys, first decent drawfag we get, you run him out of /his/ by being thirsty creeps. And you trying to justify your creepy fetish with verbose feelgood bullshit makes it even worse.

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>>2666030
She was God's prophet and warrior

>>2667522
Is there any race, any people, any nation as vile, disgusting, and wicked as the Eternal Anglo?

>>2667342
>"how can we make this teenage french girl in her prime more attractive?"
>"I know lets make her 20 years older and three times as large!"

>>2667624
f

>>2675741
Men really have shit taste when it comes to women haha.

>>2675572

>implying it wasn't the French who decided she should be burned

>>2675851
>the French
>a tribunal entirely bought and controlled by the English authorities

I'd Jeanne her Arc, if you catch my drift.

>>2666790
t. Revisionist Anglo

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>English education claims they won the 100 Years War

>>2666790
this is the most homosexual thing i've read all day.

World's best cheerleader desu

Who wouldn't fight to the end to protect their pure, chaste waifu?

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>>2675309

>4chan
>not expecting literally everyone to be degenerate sexual deviants

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>>2666790

t. pic related

>>2675821
Are you claiming most men don't like younger woman more?

>>2675309

He said he liked that Anne Frank copypasta /pol/ uses to troll Jews, which was vastly more fucked up than any request he got.

>>2666030

Are there any contemporary descriptions of Joan of Arc's appearance or is the dark hair she's frequently featured with just the artist's tastes?

>>2675899

So you're saying that they were willing to condemn their national icon and savior, for shekels?

>>2676395
She was condemned by a Rouen tribunal, a city which had been under English domination for a long while. Impossible to know how the average person felt about the English, but the city's elites were probably pro-English, as most of them had ties to the English crown. And until that point, the English had been pretty consistently winning.

This is speculation on my part, but I'd say the people who condemned her didn't see her as their national icon or heroine, they probably just saw her as a crazy but innocent girl used by the opposing side in a war they probably saw as a French dynastic war rather the conflict between two nations we imagine today. They even acquitted her at first, but the English thought it wasn't good enough.

>>2676463
>French dynastic war rather the conflict between two nations we imagine today

I think its safe to say the intense rivalry between France and England was born out of the Hundred Years War. The Valois would've had ample propaganda reason to portray themselves as fighting a war of national liberation to quash whatever remaining dissenters they had at the end of the war as "collaborators".

>>2675967
I still don't understand how they can claim this. What exactly do they point out to say "the English won"?

>>2676387

Yes, there are contemporary descriptions

Her hair were back/brown , her skin was pale, her nose was straight ,she was tall, beautiful

>>2676387
>>2677421
And if my memory serve me right, she had green eyes too

>>2676387
Artist taste, given that she was from northeastern France (Lothringen) she probably looked a lot fairer than those Mediterranean looking representations of her

>>2677421
>>2677425
Find me one contemporary description please.

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>>2667342
>Best Waifu
Well, the French do have the best, but I believe in a different reality, she would of been he best. I would walk through hell and Russia for you, ma chérie.

>>2677438
These are in French so you will not be able to understand them, and there are a lot more detailled than what i said

But if you want to go back to the sources these are :

Chronique de Phillipe de Bergame
Déposition de Guillaume de la Chambre
Déposition de Jean Aulon
Déposition de Jean, duc d'Alençon

>>2677458
>These are in French so you will not be able to understand them, and there are a lot more detailled than what i said


They are in French, thus, you will not be able to understand them, and they are a lot more detailled than what i have said


Fixed

>>2677458
As I'm French I'm fairly sure I'll understand them alright.

>>2666030
she was not that kawaii

also she didnt exist

>>2677458
After going through all of them i didn't find a so glad mention of how she looked except that she had nice breast and a good body, and a guy who never met her and who's known to have been incorrect on many things said that she had black hair.

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>>2677466
Since you're French you can check pic related, the author gives all the sources that he is using

>>2677503
t. didn't read anything
Stop LARPing m8

Some sources were in latin

>>2677506
The description he gives us comes from a painting (not a contemporary one obviously) and allegedly not proved to be authentic.

>>2677518
All sources in Latin were translated either up or below the text. I did read them and didn't find anything except that she had a nice body, tight hips and nice tits.

>>2677520
>>2677532

The portrait are all contemporires same goes for the testimonies
Anyway, you cleary have some shitty biases with your "muh germanic not med" which is pretty laughable since Lorrains do not differ from French

>>2677548
No they're not,find me one contemporary representation of her that is realistic.
You're implying French are meds while only very small portion of France borders the Mediterranean, the Mediterranean look is not common in all of France and is especially not common in a region with a large Germanic admixture such as Lorraine/Lothringen

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>>2677563
There is no such thing as Germanic admixture in Lorraine

Pic related are kids from Lorraine, they have nothing to do with Germanic

>>2677573
Implying after more than a century of massive southern immigration (Iberia and Italy) and the more recent North African one plus the migration of southern french coming to the North to work (in the mines mostly), the population of today look just as the one 6 hundred years earlier.

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>>2677563
>>2677602

LMAO

Look at how your king (Lothar) looked like before going with your "muh germanic"-BS


Also, it is a contemporrary portrait made in his Gospel( see Liuthar Evangeliar)

stupid ineducated cunt, i swear

>>2677573
Anyway i don't care if she looked like a Norwegian or a fucking italian, the point i was trying to make is that we don't know how she looked due to a lack of reliable contemporary sources and that it wasn't likely that she looked Latin.So,point proved, goodnight /his/. Bonne nuit à tout les benêts du fil également.

Joan didn't do shit although she was pretty cute
she was just a puppet

>>2677631
>Bonne nuit à touS les benêts du fil également
Fixed that for you, LARPer

>>2677665
Je sais jamais quand mettre un s et quand mettre un t, pas grave au pire du moment qu'on me lit sans effort. Bonne nuit du coup petit italoide marronnasse qui n'accepte pas que tout les Français d'hier et d'aujourd'hui ne soient pas comme lui

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>>2677701

Les Français, c'est à dire les descendants des Francs ont les cheveux marrons ou noirs, quant à toi petit blondinet tu es certainement l'un des rares descendants des cocus Gaulois/Goths/Burgondes/Allamans que nous n'avons pas réussi à exterminer

>qui n'accepte pas que tout les Français d'hier et d'aujourd'hui ne soient pas comme lui

Lorsque que je regarde les portraits de mes ancêtres en l'an 700-800 je me vois moi, par contre je ne te vois pas toi petit blondinet

>Joan
>Joan
>Joan

It's fucking Jeanne god dammit.

>>2677852
cry about it you autistic faggot frog

>>2677915
>correctly spelling someone's name is autistic

You just went full teatard anglo

>>2666030
I've heard theories that (s)he was a trap
probably the eternal anglo but kek

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>>2677852
Joan is the anglicized version of Jeanne

>>2678115
WTF?!?! Mind=blown!!

I need to go outside and chill now, it's too much for the night

>>2678143
>tfw no qt Jean d'Arc trap bf
>"I-it's not like I'm wearing these clothes because I want to !"
>"The Vierge Marie told me to wear them, I swear !"
>"W-what ? You think I look cute in them ? Well... T-thank you, monsieur, but I'm a boy !"
>"What do you mean you don't care ?"
>"M-monsieur ?"
>"Ah~ Monsieur, this is sinful, y-you can't touch me there !"
>"N-no, I'm not enjoying this ! It's just... your big hand feels so good..."

>>2678274
Pretty sure you're going to hell now,anon.

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>>2678415

>>2678115
Sorry. Thought it was Jeanne worldwide

>>2678449

Well it's not. Fag.

>>2678449
Why the fuck are you bowing down to Anglo imperialism? Impose the French spelling! The resistance starts now!

>ywn burn this witch alive

>>2666030
Hero.

>>2666790
Oh shut up.

>>2666030
>Moralizing international politics and history

You sound spooked.

>>2680980
Stirner shut the fuck up I'm trying to masturbate while using the tears of butthurt anglos as lubricant and you're just sitting there watching and bitching and it's really fucking weird, stop it.

>>2680980
It's a way to read the world. Preferable to be used not exclusively.

>>2667403
>>2667410
She was the daughter of the village official and leader of the watch. Her birthdate is documented as is her first attempt at forming a small warband

>>2678449
pretty sure her name is always translated. In spic lands she's known as Juana de Arco

>>2681086
Sometimes only partly. In Terra Brasilis, Joana D'Arc