Were the ancient Romans degenerates?

Where is this cancer coming from?

Christian propaganda

>>2666003
No. Only a small minority of patricians who betrayed their Latin heritage and took on Greek practices were degenerates. The common Roman citizen and some Patricians were perfectly normal people and were not drawn into eastern hedonism.

were [insert millenial empire citizens] really [X]?

>>2666016

/pol/

>>2666016
Nordics.

Christcucks are betas. Pagan degenerates are superior rulers.

>>2666021
Not even

The Greeks hated open homos and thought guys who enjoy sex too much were freaks

>>2666045
Most of the "degeneracy" christian writers made up about pagans were the SAME accusations pagans made against christians

Wild sex and debauchery were always despised

>pagan "degeneracy" builds the greatest civilization the world has ever seen
>christcucks take over, ban "degeneracy" such as boipussy and homosex
>civilization begins to collapse

really makes you think huh

>>2666031
This isn't pol spam this is low effort lefty shit

>>2666061
>He thinks European Christendom isn't the greatest civilization the world has ever seen
wew

>>2666071
Arabs were unironically more developed than Europeans during the Middle Ages.

>>2666085
And the Chinese shit all over both

/his/ is really running with this low effort watermark image garbage

Haha wow did Australia just get off school?

>>2666071
>dark ages
>literally defined as the time between the collapse of rome to renaisdance
>the time when pagan Greek values were revived and Europe began to flourish again

People just pretend to like xtianity these days to be edgy against sjws

>>2666101
The dark ages was the period between Roman collapse and the crusades/norman conquest

Fuck outta here

The Church preserved innumerable works of antiquity and people innovated all through the middle ages

The "dark age" myth hasn't been around since the 1950's at latest

>>2666003
Most people have been, and always will be degenerate.

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'Degeneracy' is a stale meme.

>>2666114
>The Church preserved innumerable works of antiquity

...And destroyed innumerable others.

>>2666125
Such as?

>>2666114
Please list what the church preserved and innovated during the midde ages. And it has to bw officially done by the church, not some independent heretic who would have been tortured if caught.

>>2666133
Part of the Library of Alexandria, for a start.

>>2666154
> Please list what the church preserved and innovated during the middle ages.
The entire corpus of Ancient literature we have? There would be no ancient texts know if not for thousands of monks copying them for centuries.

>>2666003
PROTIP: Roman writers accussed rulers they hated (like Caligula, Nero or Tiberius, all of whom where shitty leaders and liked to persecute people of the senator class, who often happened to be the ones writing history) of being sexual deviants.

That's because it was the perfect way to character-assasinate someone, because being a hedonist and/or pervert was frowned upon by pagan Romans almost as much as by Christians.

If you read about someone like Augustus you can't find references to orgies.

>>2666055
>Wild sex and debauchery were always despised

I guess that's why they had a gigantic 2-week orgy literally every year during the Saturnalia festival, because these things were "always despised"

>some stuck up philosopher, probably an old man, writes about muh back in muh day kids dindu no ass fucking and ass fucking is wrong!
>people read this 2000 years later and think the general population gave two fucks while they were literally orgying in the streets

that'd be like reading an old man's Christian blog post today and using that 2000 years later as an indication that people during our time all looked down on sodomy, when we know now that most either support and tolerate gays.
go to bed

>>2666019
Literally this

Daily reminder that every man who doesn't appreciate a good boipucci is not a real man.

>>2666085
>Arabs were unironically more developed than Europeans during the Middle Ages.
Nice meme.

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Contrary to popular belief, Romans did cherish and respect the concepts chastity represented by the Vestal Virgins

>>2666222
>probably an old man,
lol yeah that totally invalidates anything the dude could say! What would an old man know about life?

>>2666180
I thought ancient texts were lost in the middle ages and preserved by islamic scholars? Why did the church burn the library at alexandria if they had such a love for preserving ancient knowledge?

>>2666269
> the Vestal Virgins
Yeah, all 5 of them.

>>2666003
wasnt there the office of censor who would make sure that the people were moral citizens?

>>2666294
I don't know if you're baiting or not, but Arabs did preserve some text the West had lost, especially Aristotle, but the vast majority of the text was saved by monasteries, namely, Greeks texts were saved by Greek-speaking monks in ERE and Latin texts - by Western monks.
> Why did the church burn the library at alexandria if they had such a love for preserving ancient knowledge?
Because 1) it didn't 2) some Christians =/= the church 3) it wasn't the super-centralized bureaucratic hierarchy with a single agenda it had become by the late Middle Ages, its policies varied from place to place and from time to time.

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>>2666222
>Saturnalia was an orgy meme

Fuck off

There's literally no primary source that describes "orgies" during Saturnalia

Stop watching the boondocks

>>2666294
Alexandria was burned by pagan Romans TWICE, once by Christians, and once by Muslims

>>2666294
Which library at Alexandria?
Which church?
Which burning in particular are you referring to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria

Learn to think, and stop relying on memes to think for you.

>>2666328
Yeah, someone like Cato the Elder who banished a guy from the senate because he kissed his wife in public. It was the same old Cato who fucked his servant girl practically in front of his adult son. So yeah, so much for censors.

>>2666396
I wish I had servant girls to fuck

>>2666404
He also allowed his male slaves to fuck his female slaves, but only for money, and recommended to sell away old and infirm slaves because they were unproductive. So much for traditional Roman morals.
t. have read Plutarch recently

>>2666163
>Part of the Library of Alexandria
So did Julius Caesar. No indication exist that was part of any larger organized effort by Christendom to destroy """pagan""" text considering Christians themselves frequently read """pagan""" text and utilized """pagan""" text.

>>2666581
>"At the solicitation of Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, the emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt. And to begin with, he caused the Mithraeum to be cleaned out, and exhibited to public view the tokens of its bloody mysteries. Then he destroyed the Serapeum, and the bloody rites of the Mithreum he publicly caricatured; the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. [...] Thus this disturbance having been terminated, the governor of Alexandria, and the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples."

Christians destroyed and vandalized a large part of the Roman pagan inheritance.

>>2666611
Good riddance.

>>2666085
>what is ERE?

>>2666003
>degenerates
There's that word again

>there are people who still fall for romantic myths
Wew lad I thought this was a history board