The Iliad

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>Have the most irredeemable violent asshole in the whole book played by a Black person

Who wants to bet they'll relegate the gods too.

>>2657139
>lack of glory in war

Which if why we glorify Achilles to this day? He chose glory over a boring farm life.

>>2657173
Yeah, and he eventually dies.

When Odysseus meets Achilles in Hades, Odysseus asks Achilles what it feels like to be the most glorious among the dead, Achilles says he would rather be the lowest servant than first among the dead.

Achilles made the wrong choice.

>>2657163
>Have the most irredeemable violent asshole in the whole book played by a Black person

Zeus?

>>2657198
The war was FATED to happen, and you cannot fight Fate.

>>2657194
And he was also happy to hear his son gaining his own reputation as a glorious warrior.

Achilles might have preferred a comfortable life but he accepted the fate of glory.

>>2657202
Zeus is the one controlling fate

>>2657173
>Making it this obvious that you have not read the Iliad

see


Achilles is portrayed by Homer as being pathetic, babyish, cruel, etc. Hector is almost his antithesis. When Achilles kills Hector, he ignores every code of honour imaginable and mutilates the latter's body. He inserts hooks through the Achilles tendon (deliberately ironic from Homer), attaching the hooks to his chariot, and drags Hector around the city walls many times.

Homer was making a serious point through showing the warriors as being obsessed with gaining Kleos and Aristeia through fighting, despite how horrible war is.

Everytime someone dies, Homer writes how "darkness engulfed their eyes", and whatever level of prestige a certain warrior was, they also "fall down into the dust" after suffering a gory death.

>>2657202
Actually, the text of the Iliad implies that you can, albeit with extreme diffuclty. When Patrokles takes command of the Myrmadons and leads them into battle, the Gods hasten to the defense of the city, because they are needed to preserve fate, that the city isn't supposed to fall yet; with the implication that if the Gods weren't holding things together with sticky tape, it would have and fate be damned.

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>>2657198

>>2657222
Not him, but in regards to

>Achilles is portrayed by Homer as being pathetic, babyish, cruel, etc. Hector is almost his antithesis.
I would raise 2 points.

A) Achilles does grow out of it by the very end, or at least seems to. His conversation with Priam indicates that he's matured, a lot, when he realized that all the defacing of Hektor and whatnot isn't actually making him happy.
B) I'm not sure about the antithesis thing. I think it's very, very important to Homer and would have been to a contemporary audience that after Patrokles takes Achilles's armor and leads the Myrmadons to his death, that Hektor takes the armor and wears it. Patrokles goes from being the avatar of Achilles and then Hektor 'steals' the identity, and Achilles is coming to reclaim it, which isn't exactly an antithesis.

>>2657222
Thanks for your own interpretation but I don't think it really fits in with what the ancient greeks thought.