Why do you think the soviet union collapsed

>>2654325
Economic instability and increasing knowledge of corruption.
Like, I literally think it would have worked better if the economy was more active. If that one thing was fixed the USSR would have no reason to split.

jews

>>2654325
socialism

>>2654325
not real communism

>>2654358
There were minimal jews in the USSR by the time stagnation hit in. All had been killed or moved to Israel

>>2654367
wonder why they left

>>2654325
You don't need to wonder. The publicly available info says they literally ran out of food (and ran out of luxury goods far before), and then ran out of money to import food, and then defaulted on their debts.

>>2654325
Brezhnev

>>2654376
because communism was shit and Israel wasn't

>>2654392
pretty true

1. voluntary, naive top-down reforms by gorbachev's clique as opposed to deng's successful bottom-up restructuring in china, failure of hardliner coup, and failure to heed the only democratic poll ever taken in the USSR in which the east slavs and central asians voted to preserve the union

2. death of stalin with no successor was the death of communism and the death of belief in communism

3. not using computers for agriculture

4. too much heavy industry

5. brezhnev stagnation, too many old people in control

6. removal of lenin's NEP which allowed for land ownership

7. sino-soviet split

8. the draining of the aral sea and the prospects of further anti-environmental industries in the baltic republics

9. dissent and put downs in hungary and prague

10. murders of the tsarevich and his sisters

> source: my opinions, born in moscow oblast 1992

oh.. okay then friends

oil prices collapsed and grain production never recovered from Stalin's collectivization program.

the entire soviet economy was propped up on exporting oil to capitalists. which they had to then use to buy grain and other food stuffs to feed a growing and increasingly urban population.

>>2654443
the Aral Sea water redirection was an economic success. they turned a bunch of desert into productive cash crop farmland. at the expense of destroying an entire sea and the fishing in it.

>stalin
>communist
pick one.

they didn't need computers for agriculture. they needed to let the farmers be in charge. Poland allowed farmers to own the land and the farmers also provided counsel to the polish communists in the government.

if they had continued with Kruschev's ideology, they would have been fine.

>>2654443
I'm reading Lenin's Tomb: Last Days of the Soviet Empire and it seems to me people were fucking terrified of Stalin, or just straight up in love with the man. Crying over his death even. Is this what you've experienced?

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It was a pyramid sceme

Its leaders were secretly greedy capitalists.

>>2654325
it was a state capitalist commodity economy with industry centralized in the bureaucracy. it was iniffiecent compared to decentralized capitalism and couldnt compete according to the same logic. lenin and stalin tried there hardest to push heavy industry in an attempt to lower necessary labor hours to compete with capitalist production but could not beat them at their own game.

granted, i think if stalin lived longer, or at least was succeeded by someone with similar policy to him/lenin, they wouldve lasted alot longer. the reforms were idiotic

>>2654325

In 1987, Gorbachev mounted an anti-corruption campain to clear-out the old Brezhnevite guard and forced Aliyev to resign from the Politburo, ostensibly for health reasons. Aliyev was forced to resign from this position in 1987 amidst allegations of corruption made against him by Mikhail Gorbachev.


Forced into early retirement by Gorbachev, Aliyev focused his resources on returning to power and avenging Gorbachev for his retirement. Aliyev plotted against Gorbachev by orchestrating the ethnic conflict that would lead to cessation of Azerbaijan from USSR and dissolution of the USSR. The first pogroms against Armenians in Azerbaijan were instigated by the local mafia, which was controlled by Aliyev, in order to create an international crisis that would be detrimental to Gorbachev regardless of the outcome.

Aliyev quickly reinvented himself as a moderate nationalist and was subsequently elected as a deputy to the Supreme Soviet of Azerbaijan SSR in Baku

Aliyev also tried but failed to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh War, which, by the end of summer 1993, had resulted in the loss of some 13% of Azerbaijan's territory, an estimated 30,000 deaths, and the displacement of more than 600,000 ethnic Azerbaijanis. Attempting a military counter-offensive in December 1993, Azerbaijani forces failed to regain control of parts of Fuzuli, Khojavend and Kalbajar, ending up with heavy human losses.

Aliyev dominated the political life of Azerbaijan for more than 30 years, and left his oil-rich country with a problematic legacy of gross corruption

Retarded economic model.

>>2655145
Azeri Heydar Aliyev in the KGB since 1940s. As head of the KGB's branch in Azerbaijan, Aliyev ran an anti-corruption campaign as a cover for purging his opponents. Since 1960s, KGB Aliyev directed a Soviet "anti-corruption" campaign, which was a personal campaign at eliminating competitors and expanding his own power. Aliyev made progress in the fight against "corruption": a number of Aliyev's competitors were sentenced to prison terms and execution. Those who he could not imprison or execute, would be restricted and discriminated against: Aliyev barred the offspring of certain legal personnel from attending the Republic's law school, in a purported effort to curb a self-perpetuating elite countering Aliyev's power.


Following the purges, he became the undisputed leader of Soviet Azerbaijan. During this time, Aliyev acquired wealth and prestige by leading the Azeri mafia. With the support of the Azeria mafia, he amassed profits from the sale of various commodities, including Caspian Sea caviar, Sumgait oil, fruit, vegetables, and cotton—and from his involvement in Azerbaijan's border control (customs) and transportation industries. In order to remain the unchallenged leader of Azerbaijan, Aliyev bribed Brezhnev with lavish gifts—such as the so-called "Sun King" diamond ring, worth an estimated 226,000 rubles.

By bribing Brezhnev wih lavish gifts and receptions, Aliyev was successful in expanding his syndicate within the Soviet poitical structure by consistently promoting his network of Azerbaijanis to senior posts.

Thru corruption and political purges, Aliyev attained the highest position ever reached by an Azerbaijani in the Soviet Union.

>>2655147
An Azeri prosecutor, Gamboi Mamedov, investigated Aliyev's corruption and ties to the mafia, and persisted in this investigation despite retaliatory persecution of his relatives in Azerbaijan. After two Moscow prosecutors investigated the Azeri mafia, one was tried and expelled from the Communist party, and the other was convicted and executed. Subsequently, Aliyev fired and denounced Gamboi Mamedov. Nevertheless, this investigation was followed by another purge of people that would expose Aliyev's mafia network: the mass suicide of a number of Aliyev's Azeri mafia members and the unexplained deaths of a number of Aliyev's lieutenants.

I was taught that they lost the arms race and the cold war.

The Capitalst west was able to out spend them.

Accurate?

My university professor had told us that USSR was in crisis since Khrushchev's coup. Khrushchev idiotic reforms stopped soviet economy from evolving,

Khrushchev killed Stalin

USSR was great, until Kruschev took power with the coup and started with the revisionist reforms, Stalin would send him personaly to the gulags if he were alive at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itvdi-A-wkM&list=FLxgJ0vK112MRHzFqHgPKAhw&index=1

>>2655152
sanctions, embargos, wars worldwide, corruption, USSR had to feed lazies in Asa, Africa, America like USSR bought sugercane above value from Cuba just so Cubans could keep fucking in the jungle

>>2654693

A raging wild success if you look at two or three booming years, maybe for half of a decade

But in reality it's a trade of 1/6th of Soviet fish and half a million pelts a year in exchange for a chump slice of the world cotton industry. Pakistan alone has more weight than all the other stans put together with Turkey or Australia. This is a trade only an idiot coward bureaucrat could stamp, even before considering the waste, inefficiency, suffering and diplomatic constipation. Estonia took to the streets before the same bullshit was forced on them.

No, embracing computerization was the only way central planning could have worked. This has nothing to do with land ownership, which is something I even listed above ecological importance so your point is moot. Either policy means the bread lines don't exist.

Stalin perfected War Communism, the logical end point for militant socialism with the potential to conquer or destroy all human civilization. Yes, he and Mao would twist Marxism to justify the need to hurry past modernity, but without the convincing power of terror everyone just goes back to Christ and Allah and total failure happens in under half a century

>>2654706

It is the elderly who can justify their extreme emotional positions on him and the young who only have romantic naivete and their parents stories to go off of. I've experienced little but it is understandable why his approval rating is positively correlated to mistrust and hatred of the west

>>2655152

Gorbachev's alcohol prohibition and its reverse effect had more importance than any ridiculous Star Wars project authorized by Reagan. If anything it was the CIA winning the heroin race in Afghanistan that made impact- Capitalist analysts had no idea the sudden end to it all was about to happen.