Why did Communism take off in Russia and not in other countries

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>>2651209
it's not like they didn't try

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>>2651209
Good prole, $0.02 have been deposited into your paypal account.

>>2651209
Russia had a larger Jewish population than most European countries.

>>2651224
Inb4 "Lenin wasn't a REAL Jew", "Trotsky wasn't a REAL Jew", etc.

italy almost became communist
their communist party got a scary amount of power

>>2651221
Difference is capitalism doesn't claim to be an all-encompassing ideology/economic model, nor does it claim to be the pinnacle of human development.

>>2651221

>Congo Crisis
>Captalism

What the fuck

>>2651232
>>2651224
But what i really want to know is the underlying long term reasons that communism/marxism in particular became popular and into power in Russia as opposed to say a Russian version of Nazism focusing on Slavs or perhaps even a liberal democracy.

I'll be honest it's a college assignment im working on. I'm doing it for Nazi Germany too.
My 3 main reasons for Nazi Germany are long term nationalism, the direct consequences of WW1, and a weak Weimar government.

For Russia i'm thinking weak government as a major factor with Tsar leadership being ineffectual and creating discontent for decades if not centuries, then of course WW1 but its more of a short term immedaite course.

But the part im stumped on is, why Communism, what specific circumstances favoured and facilitated that ideology? Was it the massive peasant class?

>>2651228
They weren't though.
By your standards, I guess I'm still a real christian even though that I've never gone to church, that I've tried to close down the churches, that my dad has never gone to church, that I never converted to the church...but my grandad DID go occasionally.

wtf I love jesus now

>>2651209


German autism + Russian idiotism = it worked.

>>2651249
gaylord

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>>2651209
now apply that same meme-logic to "democracy" and "republic"

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>>2651221
>capitalism has never been tried
Nobody has ever claimed this.
Back to leftypol, faggot

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>>2651516
Nobody claimed what on your pic either, cuck

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>>2651221
>people still believe in the Congo bullshit

Seriously wtf the absolute majority of the deaths came from a plague and the majority of the mutilations and murders ocured because rubber producing companies hired local blacks to "incentivize" the workforce, and they took it too far.

>Pinkertons

Irrelevant as shit mr stazi

>shah

He killed radical Islamists fuck off

>Pinochet

only killed 3000 people and most of them were foreigners who were in Chile to serve the communist overthrow of the country should a "counter" revolution occur.

Nice try though.

>>2651237
>ideologies make claims
People make claims, there is nothing in communism that nessecitates the people inside of it to consider it the pinnacle of development anymore than a capitalist society.

>>2651228
Whats your point retard? The one in power was not Jew and the one that got killed by his comrades was ethnically Jew.

>>2651237

No, it has defined itself so that when bad things happen, it can't have been capitalism. Capitalism is, to capitalists, those parts of society that work fine.

>>2651209
Because Russia was degenerate, atheistic nation with strong feminist movement and loads of black immigrants.

>>2651248
>as opposed to say a Russian version of Nazism focusing on Slavs or perhaps even a liberal democracy.

why not russian nazis you ask? because national socialism was a direct reaction against marxism. it didnt even exist at the time of the russian revolution.

>But the part im stumped on is, why Communism, what specific circumstances favoured and facilitated that ideology? Was it the massive peasant class?
peasants were not politically active.

I remember hearing that there was quite a lot of American power and money invested in preventing communism from springing up in Europe after WWII. With the Marshall plan of course, and a few other plots as well.

>>2651228
Lenin wasn't a Jew, this is correct

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>>2651224
The most proportionally represented ethnic groups in the Bolsheviks were Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Finns, Ossetians, and Georgians. Jews come in like 7th

but don't let that get in the way of your stupid narrative.

>>2653427
Pretty much this

As for a real answer: the same reason it also took off in China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Africa, Latin America, Yugoslavia, Romania, etc.. It's true that Soviet troops were vital to securing the communist regimes, but the local parties still found widespread support.

All that these nations had in common was that they were under-developed and had endured years of tyrannical rule by exploitive regimes. The liberating concept of COmmunism, however deceptive it may be, was still refreshing for them.

>>2653456
There's a reason Poles, Jews, Lithuanians, etc were all attracted to communism than most in Russia itself, because these were the disenfranchised of the old russian empire and the revolutionary message of marxism appealed to them. This is especially true for Jews, who despite their impoverished and poorly educated status were still blamed for every social ill, were forced to live only in certain areas, couldn't join university or the army, and so on. As Russia's own monarchist Prime Minister Stolypin said, it shouldn't be a surprise that so many minorities are joining marxism given how they are treated.

>>2651221
>If you are against communism you must be for capitalism
You retards are literally brainlets with your binary thinking.

>>2653459
Poles? I can't think of a single significant Polish bolshevik other than Dzerzhinsky. And Poland remained staunchly anti-communist until the USSR imported it there by force.

>>2652893
The difference is that human flight didn't cost MILLIONS of human lives each time it was attempted

>why does dutch elm disease, originally native to Asia, devastates native population of elms outside of asia but not in the countries where the disease actually originates

Just like a disease, communism is stronger in countries that do not have native resistence to it.

Read Demons, the Dostoyevsky novel, to get a better picture of the mindset of the Russian elite concerning radical ideologies. They basically didn't have any defence against it because they submitted to radicalism themselves, so whenever a radicalism appeared to the left of the previous one, it automatically had more prestige and popularity.

Kerensky couldn't persecute Lenin and the Bolsheviks because he genuinely believed in "No friends to the left". The Social democrats in Germany didn't have the same delusions and happily enlisted the support of the Freikorps to crush the communist uprising.

>>2653632
This. The average experimental plane crash would need to be a Hiroshima level disaster for this analogy to make sense.

>>2653427
i cant find the source, the link brings up nothing

>>2651209
Russians are servile cunts prone to melancholy. It's all they know; you had the tsar, then gommies, then oligarchy. I truly believe Russians just need to feel constrained and depressed, they cannot function without it.

>>2653516
It's because the Polish revolutionaries were distrusted by Stalin and once he got promoted he started purging them

Countries like Britain and Germany already had pretty extensive social welfare programmes (Old age pensions, unemployment benefit, sickness benefit, ect) by 1911. Some politicians, like A. J. Balfour described social legislation as the most effective 'antidote' against socialist sympathies.

>>2654025
Poles already waged a big war against communist USSR years before Stalin got in power.

Actual reason: Because Russia clung to absolutism and serfdom for so long. When people are miserable and oppressed and have no outlet to voice their grievances (i.e. elections), they tend to gravitate towards violent, radical movements. Marx predicted that revolutionary socialism would start in Britain, but this country had a long history of parliamentarism and gradual reform, so it never happened.

>>2654041
It wasn't the rural peasants that revolted, it was urban middle class bourgies educated in the west and army garrissons.

>>2654036
the polish state did. The Polish communists did not. Communism was fairly popular in eastern Poland until Pilsudski oversaw purges after the Polish-Soviet war.

Poland in the interwar period was a very divided country, it was not ethnically unified. You had Western Poles, Eastern Poles, Southern Poles, Germans, Jews, Lithuanians, Russians, and Ukrainians all at each others throats. Communism was popular among several of these groups but ultimately not popular with the faction that emerged to dominate the government: Polish nationalists derived from the old aristocracy

>>2654094
>Polish communists
Never significant in numbers or power.

>>2654094
(((Polish communists)))

>>2654112
They died out as a force precisely because of the Polish-Soviet War. Pre-war they numbered in significant levels based around Eastern Poland.

>>2654115
The Polish Communists were horrible anti-semites. Polish communist leader Jozef Unszlicht tried to purge the party of Jews.

>>2654130
>purge the party of the Jews
But I guess he wouldn't feel the need to do a purge if there wasn't already a shitload of Jews in the communist party, no?

>>2654074

The peasants did revolt, they just joined other revolutionary organizations rather than the Bolsheviks. Many of these, however, made up the soldiers that formed the rank and file of the Bolsheviks in 1917.

>>2654144
I think the one single actual peasant revolt was led by Makhno and they got fucked by the bolsheviks.

>>2654142
Not really, there aren't any Jews in Malaysia nor has there ever been but they're still banned from holding public office

Jews were a relatively small minority in the CPSU, I'm not sure what their figures were in the Polish party though. Given a wide range of legislation discriminating against where Jews could live, what they could do, etc.. I imagine revolutionary ideologies would have been popular for them though.

>>2654142
there were, the reason they were purged occured because they represented the internationalist scene as they did in Russia, and the more nationalistic poles disagreed, and hated jews anyways

>>2651221
lmfao none of those people even came close to communist death tolls

>>2651209
Slavs=n****rs of Europe

>>2655032
>Slavs had anything to do with communism
Hey Schlomo

>>2652893
>1 person died attempting to fly
>pic shows gliders, parachutes etc as 3 persons
>pic shows each 3 dead innocents
Next time edit it accurately.

>>2655035
T. Slav supporter

>>2655060
No shit kike.

>>2651248
>why Communism
Everyone else was too busy fighting each other to counter the Bolsheviks.

>>2651249
>I've tried to close down the churches
lmao are you twelve years old?

>>2651249
>Jew is just a religion
Why do you kikes keep pushing this meme? Literally why?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews

>>2655218
Are you retarded? That's describing Lenin to a T if he was of christian descent. You wouldn't consider someone like that a christian at all. So why would you still consider Lenin a jew?

>>2655266
Because >>2655226
Jew is an ethnicity, not just a religion. My language even makes the distinction between lowercase jew (religion) and uppercase Jew (ethnicity).

>>2655270
Which is passed down by the mother in judaism. It was his granddad who converted, he couldnt have passed it on to his daughter. If it was his grandmother on the other hand...

You can make a case he had some removed jewish lineage if you want but then you could also argue he had mongol muslim lineage from his father side. Doesn't get anyone very far. Whichever way he clearly wasn't a "true" jew as that previous post put it.

>>2655308
>by the mother
That's just Jewish voodoo, biology doesn't work this way you know. You inherit your genetics from both parents.

>>2651209

This is a topic that third worldists do talk about, but I reckon the material conditions were so dire that people were willing to embrace any form of radical politics to change the system (these countries hadn't even gotten out of feudalism)

In European countries, this wasn't the case as comparitively they lived better lives than the serfs of Russia. Shithouse by today's standards of course, but in comparisson, much better.

>>2655333
>Russia
>serfdom in 1917
I want uneducated brainlets to leave

>>2655317
>just jewish voodoo
Except it isn't. matrilineality is a big deal for jews. Kinda the whole reason why primogeniture through matriarchs like Sarah & Rachel are big focus stories of judaism. Not that I agree with it but that is what they believe.

>genes
Yeah sure, but you're baiting for the schlomo-tier argument. Like I said he had jewish lineage through his grandad but it's really a stretch to call him a true jew when it's so far removed. Quadroon jew? Quadroon mongol? Octoroon muslim? What's the fucking point? Did he actually do anything "jewish" in his life like honoring sabbath or celebrating yom kippur? Nah he shut down the synagogues, accused religion of being bourgeois and told the jews to abandon their "jewish identity" to get emancipation through, and as, the proletariat.

You're pedantically correct but it doesn't really showcase anything.

>>2655351
I don't care what Jews believe m8, it's irrelevant. You won't magically become a non-Jew if only your father is Jewish, that's not how reproduction works.

Also Lenin was just a mischling, Trotsky was a full Jew.

>>2655333
You know serfdom/feudalism was abolished in 1861 under Alexander right? It was much later than everyone else I'll give you that but Russia did give up on feudalism much before that, and industrialization was already underway before 1917. They began as soon as the end of the crimean war in the mid 1850s because it showed them they were lacking behind.

China was worse though, but even then serfdom got abolished after 1911 when the dowager cixi and retard emperor nephew got btfo. Mao only came in 1949. But in their case, industrialization was even further behind than russia.

>>2655356
His father wasn't the one with the jew lineage, it was his mother with the grandad who converted.

And sure trotsky was jewish ethnically. Doesn't really mean much either, just as it didn't with lenin. What's your point?

>>2655373
Genes influence your behavior. It's no coincidence that Jews are always inventing and adopting all kinds of pathological ideologies and movements, it's their inbred genes in action. There's literally like 70 inheritable diseases you can get just by being a Jew, and Ashkenazim are strongly predisposed to schizophrenia and other mental illnesses.

>From about 1880 to 1930, largely thanks to Dostoyevsky, the "Russian soul" concept spread to other countries and began to affect foreign perception of the Russian people. For many Europeans the idea offered a positive alternative to the typical view of Russians as backward, instead depicting the Russian people as an example of the innocence the West had lost. The popularity of the "Russian soul" continued into the 20th century but faded as Soviet power increased. By the 1930s the concept was slipping into obscurity, but it would survive in the work of the numerous writers who devised it.[4]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_soul#After_Dostoyevsky

>>2655378
>shit genes
Yes the ashkenazi did practice of lot of inter-marriage, most likely due to the fact they couldnt easily marry out of their ethnic group for centuries. Still, what is your point? All commies are jews? What about Stalin? Rykov? Tomsky? Bukharin? All the leaders that followed? What about Mao or Castro or PolPot or Kim Il-Sung? Also jews?

>>2651209
'Communism' in Russia was a continuation of oppressive regimes that tend to hold sway there since time immemorial. Scandinavian countries is probably the only place where people triggered by your pic related could say something close to communism emerged.

>>2655389
>oppressive
>this word

>>2651209
>why
they tried

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

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>>2651221
>>2652893
leftypol, everyone

>>2652933
>Iron Guard fascist apologist
Into the trash it goes.

>>2653632
>the point
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>your head

>>2654115
>le (((meme)))
hahaha le lololol XDDDDD i le said le (((meme))) haha (((XDDD))) le lolololol haha so le (((funny))) ecks dee dee dee!!!!!!!!!!

Why is Leftypol full of so many SJWs?

>>2651221
1. they didn't claim to be capitalists and doing it for capitalism
2. no one claims capitalism has never been tried, capitalists claim our current system(which is capitalist) is fine

unoriginal copycat commies can't even copy right

>>2651209
It had a greater appeal and more ripe conditions in Russia and other developing nations.

>>2651209
Russians felt they had nothing to lose, I mean at least they might be fed

>>2656076
what do you get out of making posts like these?