Some of you are alright. Don't go to Syracuse tomorrow.

>>2644032
That was nicias's idea you cuck

>>2644032
Syracuse is rite for the picking tho

>>2644041
>I WARNED YOU ABOUT EXPANSION BRO
>I TOLD YOU DOG

>>2644045
t. alcibiades

it was a good plan if it worked you shit heads

Greece would have been surrounded on both sides

you try and come up with a better plan

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>>2644132
>send all your best ships and generals away on a fool's errand across the Mediterranean
>all because some italian pleb promised you more gold than they actually have
>act surprised when you get BTFO because you completely misread the situation
Really nestles my navy

>>2644132
>it was a good plan if it worked

It would have been successful with Alcibiades.

The whole mediterranean world could have become athenian.

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>>2644032

>>2644132
>you try and come up with a better plan

The biggest problem with the Syracuse Expedition is that the Spartans would never have let them get away with it, either during or after their truce. The real lesson of the first stage of the Peloponnesian War was that there was no way the Athenians could beat the Spartans outside of Greece when their allies were jumping at any chance to be free of Athenian domination. Athens greatest successes were always close to home, but they didn't have the same payoff as their immediate expeditions.
The real fault is in applying what we see as common sense to the Athenian war plan. They weren't aiming to destroy Sparta or avenge the insults sent to them by the Dorians, they were being yanked around by thetes who just wanted the chance to loot and pillage.