Is this the worst period in human history to be alive?

90% people from the past would kill for a life we have today

>>2637687
>oh no I have ennui >:^(

imagine being a starving disease riddled peasant
imagine being gassed to death in a trench
imagine all the horrors of history you've read about, which humans inflicted (and still inflict) so regularly on each other

and now be happy that at least at this point in history fewer people than ever are being brutalized and murdered, even if there are still so many who are. It has been worse before, and it can get worse again if we don't work to preserve the gains of history.

>>2637687
>>>/r/lewronggeneration

In the United States less than one person dies from malnutrition for every 100,000 people. Modern life in a western country is probably the highest quality of life anybody has had throughout all of history.

>>2637687
No, you're just a loser.

>>2637694
90% people from the past would kill for shits and giggles
it was there way of shitposting

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>>2637687
>We have materialistic goods that are unlike anything kings ever had
>Yet kill ourselves or die lonely and empty after living more years than our forefathers
Your question essentially narrows down to : we have tons of neat shit to fill the proverbial "god shaped hole within the heart of men" yet still feel empty and nihilistic in an age where "God is dead". There is a reason why now everything is "heuheuh so ironic I wear x ironically I say x ironically" it is because we have been stuck in a philosophical slump of relativism for like 300 years progressively inching us closer to a mirror image of thelemic butt worship and hedonistic anti-intellectualism.

>>2637700
>OP is referring to dysthymia or whatever is the hip new self-diagnosed millennial woe
>the fact that people aren't dying of dysentery left and right undermines any negative implications of society at large whatsoever

All in all this thread already seems triggered by such a simple and banal question. Do people sincerely believe that people in the past lived the entire duration of their life under the microscope of impending doom? Don't we as well in some contexts?

>tfw youll never born during age of exploration

>>2637773
SHUT UP! THINGS THE ARE BEST THEYVE BEEN AND WE ARE ALL LIVING LIKE KANGZ AND SHIET DON'T QUESTION IT

COMPLETE ATOMIZATION OF SOCIETY? LOL WHO GIVES A FUCK NETFLIX HAS A NEW SHOW DEBUTING TONIGHT

>>2637773
>Do people sincerely believe that people in the past lived the entire duration of their life under the microscope of impending doom?
This. People act like Death was holding the people of the past at gunpoint 24/7. Give me a fucking break.

>>2637790
>this
People think material wealth = happy which is the direct consequence of the destruction of any complex identity construct such as religion, ancestry, or folk culture.

1346–1353

>>2637687
It's LITERALLY the opposite.

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reals > feels

If you live in a developed nation chances are you are literally living a better life than most fucking kings lived. Even if you live in a developing nation odds are you have a pretty decent life compared to your ancestors, barring extreme examples. For the average person this the best time to be a human in history, and for the average person in the developed world you live in what your ancestors would probably have considered to be a fantastic paradise of wonder and prosperity.

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>>2637891

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>>2637895

>>2637891
>>2637895
>>2637897
but at what cost? that's the question you have to ask yourself

>>2637897
>human development index
what

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>>2637926
nvm just googled it
still seems pretty arbitrary

>>2637923
Yeah we're exploiting the planet too much and need to become more efficient at using natural resources, but that's reasonably doable.

>>2637926
Leave this board.

>>2637694
90% of people are stupid plebs.

>>2637687
>highest literacy there has ever been in the history of mankind
>least deaths of malnutrition there have ever been in the history of mankind
>more diseases curable than ever before in the history of mankind
>highest life expectancy in the history of mankind
>least armed conflicts there there have ever been in the history of mankind (excluding Cold War, because people literally felt like nuclear armageddon was quite possible)
>literally 70 years of peace in the EU, which has never happened before in that region
I think you're just being a little bitch.

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>>2637891
>woo instead of dying in dignity at the age of 70 you may now die a drooling cancer ridden ridden retard at the age of 85

>>2637946
If you are a drooling retard at 85 then kill yourself or something, not like anybody can really stop you unless you pussy out.

There are many people holding up just fine up to 90ties by just still doing mental and physical exercise in reasonable doses.

>>2637946
Fucking this. My grandfather can't hold a fucking fork. He's completely unable to hold a conversation, he can't read, he can't follow television. All he can do is lie in his bed and mull over the one thing he can think of clearly: the fact that his wife died a few months ago.

Yippee, I'm so glad he lived an extra three years and we can give him weed pills for the pain.

>>2637923
>but at what cost? that's the question you have to ask yourself
No. The question one has to ask is: What's the ratio between benefits and costs.

The benefits CLEARLY outweight the costs, unless you're giving arbitrarily extreme weight to your special snowflake costs.

>>2637945
And once that all crashes under its own weight we most definitely WILL be living in the worst period of history.

>>2637945
the EU didn't exist strictly speaking for most of that period

>>2637975
Nah, we'll just go back to square one and start over. It might be for the best, like a clean reboot of humanity without the weight of ages holding us down.

>>2637975
The same could then be said about the beginning of the industrialization, when our exploitation of the Earth started rapidly increasing, which is why the current period can't be worst, since it shares that trait with back then, but back then you haven't had the many benefits brought forth by it yet.

>>2637970
>The benefits CLEARLY outweight the costs
Wrong, it only seems that way because the costs are being pushed back into the future. We're using up vital resources so recklessly that our descendants will not have enough to sustain their populations. When that happens, mankind will experience some of the most miserable decades of its existence..

>>2637992
That would make the period those people have to live in the worst then, which would also falsify OP's implicit claim.

>>2637992
>We're using up vital resources so recklessly
Nope

>>2637992
Reduction of infant mortality and increased education causes a lowering in birth rates which is important for sustainability.

>>2637813
Material wealth=less war and poverty=less death

>>2637687
You are currently acsessing one of the largest stores of human knowldge, much of it available for free through legal, or uneforced illegal means, you live in an age where food can be stored fro months, where man has taken steps into the stars and returned, a time where the great arts are preserved and kept with care, in a world that promises more spelendour, better living conditions than any before you, skyscrapers pierce the skies of all the continents bar antartica, which is dotted with research stations with modern equipment we use to track the ever changing aspects of out planet, we own are envrionment and control it so incredibly we are the arbiters of the life of species, we keep herbivoric bears whit no sex drive propogating, we have tamed beasts that our ancient forebearers would've been mauled by.
You live in the best part of human history, you are the envy of the dead who cannot know such county, you're alive.

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>>2638098
>Implying that avoiding death is the only virtue of life.
Dieing/commiting your being for some profound truth or cause greater than yourself is one of the greatest ways to achieve meaning in life.

I can sit on a comfortable chair, pick up a phone and order a pizza to be delivered to me in 20 minutes.
This is all happening while I am masturbating to high definition pornography in an air-conditioned building.
And when I am finished masturbating, I can shitpost on an internet forum dedicated to the discussion of chinese cartoons, which I can download almost instantaneously and begin viewing at my leisure.

Right before I go to sleep, I can make a post complaining about my quality of life in the 21st century.

>>2638177
>I can eat pizza alone and masturbate on a Sunday evening!
>Look how fulfilling my life is!

>>2638188
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love.

>>2638225
this

>>2638156
And what about the death of a loved one? I'd agree with you about my own life, but were the mothers and wives of allied soldiers less devastated because they died for a worthy cause?

>>2638188
>implying working long hours of backbreaking work every day to avoid going cold and hungry is more "fulfilling" than the life of the most lonely neckbeard on 4chan
The whole "religion" meme was invented to keep people going in a world that was completely shit, because unfounded hope is the true refuge of the desperate. Pessimism and nihilism are signs of health, only people who have unthinkable amounts of leisure can afford to hate life. This has happened before, skepticism and pessimism were at their widest influence at the height of the Roman and Islamic Empires.

>>2637687
Jurassic period.

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>>2638292
This.

>>2637766
>People from the past couldn't turn out into autistic losers
>People from the past didn't kill themselves because their life just sucked

No matter how you look at it, the present is a improvement.

i wanna live in the 1910s

>>2638188
How fulfilling do you think your life would have been 500 years ago?

>>2637687
No. That was France a little before the French Revolution.

>>2637787
Hopefully.

>>2638320
No you don't.

>>2638321
No way to tell, but judging how much of a loser he is right now, I'd say he'd kill himself in his teens.

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Just think, the universe has been around for billions of years, and we were born in time to see this cutie.

>>2638347
why wouldnt i wanna live in the 1910s

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>>2637992
>When that happens, mankind will experience some of the most miserable decades of its existence..
Hey, that will give us strong men, right? That's what I always hear from you doomsday seers. When you think about it, we're doing a favor to the future by creating the hardest, toughest generation ever, so the far future is really going to kick ass. They should honestly be thanking us.

>>2637981
I think he's referring to the geographical area, not the actual organisation. Poor word choice, but he's largely correct.

>>2637687
have you ever seen someone you love literally shit themselves to death? because if you were born before 1880 everyone did.


so no, this is not the worse time to be alive.

>>2638407
Do you like vaccines? The internet? Television? Sound motion pictures? Star Wars? Lord of the Rings? Batman? Marvel? Any food that didn't originate in Europe? Being able to get a job that won't leave you physically destroyed by your 50s?

>>2638407
If you're European you will have to deal with rationing, starvation, and conscription (I assume you're a young man) on the home front. If your land gets invaded you'll have to leave as a refugee, and you'll probably loose your home and most of your possessions. No matter where you live you will have to deal with the Spanish flu from 1918-1920.

>>2638484
Reddit: the post

>>2638484
well if I lived then I wouldn't even know any of those things existed so I would be fine

>>2638489
Don't be a pretentious cunt and try answering the question seriously.

>>2637926
> these are the people you discuss history with

>>2638492
that's an argument for being dead.

>>2637687
No, there is more reason than ever to believe humans accessed technology to live eternal life, thousands of years earlier than now. We just might access these technologies while we are living.

>all the people talking about standard of living

wealth is overrated. what gives people happiness is their status relative to those around them.

>>2637687
It is in a way.

In the West, nobody feels connected to society anymore. Families are broken, our trust in our neighbors is broken, our cultural identity is broken. On top of that, all the major governments of the world are deeply corrupt and becoming increasingly unstable because corporate profits are pushing for it, leaving us all with an ominous feeling of catastrophe on the horizon. This is unique to this time.and our wonderful "multicultural" society where nobody gives a fuck about anybody else and our only common cultural space is empty nihilistic hedonism.

What's the point of living when there is nothing to live for? At least when people were dying in their 30s, they had a clear purpose in the world. Not so much anymore: Everyone is checking out.

A central truth that both sides of this argument are missing:
Never has the proportion of human suffering that is self-inflicted been so large.

>>2638538
>my life is shit therefore everybody else is too
Nihilism is perfectly healthy

>>2638503
what do you mean by that

>>2638571
>>my life is shit therefore everybody else is too
I'm speaking about society at large and what the psychometrics are reporting. Try again.

>Nihilism is perfectly healthy
Nope.

>>2638316
Maybe they didnt think their lives sucked? Maybe a loving wife, stable community and meaningful life made them happier than hentai and pizza makes us?

>>2638538
>In the West, nobody feels connected to society anymore.

I do....

>>2638584
Who gives a fuck about "society at large"? Most of these people would be starving peasants dying of plague and only having the dubious virtues of religion keeping them from killing themselves.

In modern society, we are allowed to be pessimistic. If you don't want to be pessimistic, you can just invent your own meaning and goals and follow those.

>>2638594

Humans evolved in close-knit tribes with a strong, common cultural identity. It's the height of arrogance to suggest that we don't need this connection anymore and that everyone can simply be "nihilistic" because some weirdo hermit writers said that's the best way to live. It doesn't work on a large scale.

>>2638579
In the grave one will be totally ignorant of the pleasures of life. If one is ignorant of some great source of joy, that does indeed remove the positive suffering that comes from unfulfilled desire, but not the negative suffering of having that thing absent from one's life. If you are stuck eating terrible food your whole life your suffering would indeed be magnified by the knowledge that other people are eating rich delicious food, but it does not follow that eating terrible food is a desirable state of affairs.

>>2638609
I'm speaking in generalities, not to suggest there aren't indivisible exceptions. Society is continuing to fragment and will inevitably worsen if something doesn't change.

>Who gives a fuck about "society at large"?
Ah, the fruits of nihilism.

>If you don't want to be pessimistic, you can just invent your own meaning and goals and follow those.
People did not evolve to "invent their own meaning." People don't necessarily operate the way that some hermit "intellectual" thinks they should.

>>2638633
>>2638610

Meant to quote you too.

>>2638484
>Technological advancement means society has no problems whatsoever

1910 to 1945. just the poverty and the war.

>>2638633
>I'm speaking in generalities, not to suggest there aren't indivisible exceptions. Society is continuing to fragment and will inevitably worsen if something doesn't change.

maybe where you live...civil society's pretty strong round here.

>>2638754
and Jazz...and good baseball.

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>>2637891
thanks Mao

>>2638774
>maybe where you live...

The West, yes.

>>2638445
This is so fucking retarded and does not happen

The fact that these "cycles" can last 50 years or 1000 years shows that it's not useful as a rule

>>2638830
I live in the western part of the West, still pretty nice.

>>2638950
Living in a bubble must be nice I'm sure.

>>2637687
Everyone who agrees with OP should kys ASAP since you hate living now so much you stupid fucking edgy cockheads.

>>2637687
ITT: I'm an autistic lonely NEET loser and it's all society's fault because fuck taking responsibility for my fails in life so I wank to an idealistic image of the past where I'd get an even worse deal because my communication and social skills would be the same while society itself would crush me for being a weird loner.

>>2639036
Find 2 posts ITT which imply any of that at all, you projecting faggot.

>>2639014
>reject coming in at the tail-end of the thread acting all high and mighty instead of contributing shit

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>>2639075
Lmao you mad? Go live in the woods faggot.

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>>2638538
>Government corruption
>Societal anxiety
>Lack of trust in general
All of these things have been experienced at large countless times before, and will be experienced countless times more. This proves absolutely nothing. Anyone can write a bunch of vaguely pessimistic nonsense about how "everything sucks nowadays," but that doesn't make it true.

>>2637790
Shut the fuck up. You clearly have no clue how fortunate you are to be born in this generation. You're typing woes on a computer, in a clean and stable house, probably with heating and air conditioning, in a country that isn't war-torn or ruled by an oppressive despot. You don't have to worry about smallpox or pic related. You can look at any important statistic imaginable - infant mortality, life expectancy, world poverty, access to food and water, etc. - and you will immediately see that we as a species are far better off than ever before. And yes, Netflix is great.

>>2639094
OP didn't even do anything but pose a question, you're the one that seems perturbed by people discussing the implications of modern life. Now back to tumblr, faggot.

>>2639075
>contributing shit
accurate description of your precious ">that feel" hugbox thread

>>2637694
>people know what is best for them
>>2637716
>'people eat enough'
>eating is the sole reason to live
Read L'Enracinement

>>2639108
>">that feel" hugbox thread
Again, why are you saying things that aren't true?

>>2638711
A beautiful strawman you have there.

>>2637891
Reality doesn't exist.

When one dislikes living

>>2637687
Depends where you are and who you are. A commoner in Uzbekistan is pretty fucking miserable.

>>2639104
Fuck off OP you silly fuck.

>that loaded question

Eat lead cocksucker.

>>2639108
>muh Holocaust threads
>muh race threads
>muh post hoc gossip
>muh 5 second Googleable questions

>>2638484
>food that didn't originate in Europe

But the best food did originate in Europe tho. Why would I bother to eat diarrhea fuel from shithole countries?

Also pop culture is shit. I find myself appreciating more art done in the 18th century than nowadays.

>>2639231
counter downvote

>>2639250
>appreciating more art done in the 18th century than nowadays
>thanks to the internet

>>2638407
Common workers like coal miners often worked in absolutely horrific conditions. There were outright wars between union workers and legal and business authorities.

>>2638526
Partially true.

All these people triggered cuz of a Ringo Starr photo

>>2638814
But don't you know that he was a literal psychopath and personally killed hundreds of millions of people because he felt like it?

>>2637893
In our developed world we can eat chocolate and get it for cheap prices. In the developing world most cocoa farmers don't even know how chocolate tastes at all.

The Finno-Korean Hyperwar

Plague era was worse

WW1 was worse

Fall of Rome was worse

>>2639102
>computers are good
>a clean and stable house is good
>heating and AC are good
>the country isn't war-torn and ruled by an oppressive despot (not just USA/trump, every country on earth)

Admit it, this is a miserable plastic age.

>>2638843
strauss- howe generational theory. Prophet > Nomad > Hero > Artist. Worth a look.

It's not out of the question that 1000 or so years from now our era will be viewed as immensely stressful due to all the strain of technology. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that jazz.

Have a suspicion that half of /his/ is ifuckinglovescience redditors who think tech doesn't come with any cost whatsoever. At the very least this place sure is short-sighted.

>>2639306
Move to Syria then faggot.

>>2637687

Has any city near your house been sacked by barbarians lately? Have you been accosted and assaulted by various ill tempered men with no legal recourse? Then no

>>2639366
Yeah, I'm German

>>2639359
epin

>>2639390

Do you have an actual argument?

All the guys in here who miss le good old days should go to Somalia or a village in India or Cambodia or Laos and see what the old days were like.

>>2639394
Those aren't the 'good old days' you child. They're a modern invention with sick with modernity.

>arguments are good

>>2639394
>All the guys in here who miss le good old days
No one's saying that though. You seem confused.

>>2639398
>>2639400
They're exactly that. Move there and see how it was like you pampered up whiny neckbeards. Of course that would mean moving your fat asses and the chances for that are almost as slim as making it to 40 without a stroke.

>>2639370
1) no you're not
2) not one of those things happened

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The fact that you typed that up on a computer says otherwise.

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>>2639457
You now remember Ronaldo Luis Nazario de Lima

>>2637687
I'd go with the height of the black plague.

>>2637790
IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS I CAN MAKE THINGS SEEM DUMBER THAN THEY ARE. BRILLIANT!

>>2639132
>every single development listed was technological
>HURF STRAWMAN

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>>2639496
>HURR DURR

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>>2639457
Wow, it's literally pic related.

>>2639509
>No response

As expected from someone who listed fucking Batman as indisputable proof of societal improvement.

>>2639516
Batman? I'm not him you fucking faggot, I'm just calling you a fucking faggot. Go live in Tanzania or some shit you spoiled angsty fuck.

>>2639521
>still no argument

>>2637891
What are those two massive downturns for the U.K.? I imagine one is for the black plague

>>2639428
So you're saying you're not allowed to criticize or question society unless you live in abject poverty?

>>2639525
Not every stupid fucking statement you make deserves a well constructed argument you mongoloid fuck. There's a shitload of places you can live modern technology has barely infiltrated, you could go there and cut wood and grow maize any fucking time, but we both know you won't, because you're a pathetic whiny NEET with no survival skills or the makings of a hard worker and deep down, you know it won't solve your inadequacy and self esteem issues.

Suck a dick.

>>2639534
No, I'm saying you're a cocksucker.

>>2639539
>>2639542
So once again, you're saying that since technology has improved living conditions, it is impossible that there are any societal or cultural problems.

I'm trying to wrap my head around what it must be like to be that retarded. Having access to the internet, but never using it to improve as a thinker, and to just write insulting posts spewing generic whig history horse shit.

>>2638382
We are truly blessed. Nico nico nii!

>>2639554
WHo's talking about cultural or societal problems fucko, we're talking about the fact that it's the best it's ever been since cultural and societal problems are what we are facing today and not devastating famine, plague or rampaging barbarous hordes storming the city walls.

>>2639566
>rampaging barbarous hordes storming the city walls
Unless you're Swedish

>>2639575
Not so much storming as being let in tho, innit?

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Look at how violently the redditors melt down itt when faced with the idea that there's more life to than nintendiapers, Harry potter and a extra five years to your life expectancy.

>>2639619
It is really weird how violently upset some people get when you discuss this kind of thing.

>>2637743
>be me
>renaissance era
>invent da Vinci-style contraption
>allows me to travel through time
>come to now
>what is this magical place
>we have flip-dippers and touchy screeny things
>what is an internet and where can I buy one
>browses internet for a while
>some protests in new country called "America"
>some violent radicals
>boys who think they're girls
>people who think they're everything
>people fighting for rights for things that don't exist
>everything is backwards
>porn fucking everywhere
>children are having sex and going drugs like mad
>literal FUCKING RIOTS IN THE STREETS WORLDWIDE THAT THE FRENCH FUCKING REVOLUTION DOESNT EVEN COMPARE TO
>everything is awful
>fuck touch screens
>fuck the internet
>fuck the printing press
>I want to go back and never return but the fucking machine only goes one way
>fuck you Leonardo da Vinci, and fuck my time machine.

This era sucks, I just want to sculpt tits from solid marble.

>>2637687
it's the best. think of how much information you have access to a fucking finger tip away. it's insane. I can click a button and walk a block to read quite literally any book on the planet I want to absolutely free or download them for free even. any book. any

>>2637687
See the Calhoun Mouse Experiments.

>>2639619
If we were born in a distant past, we would probably just be ignorant workers in shitty conditions and not enjoy those other aspects of life (whatever they are). You can still live like that if you want to.

>>2637687
It has its societal issues, but it's objectively the best period.

>>2637694
this plus we're literally balls deep in a shitton of uncharted territory but a lot dont realize it

>>2639619
>>2639652

Yeah man, it's so fucking reddit to not want to shovel shit for your local nobleman while your wife is dying of consumption and he fucks your teenage daughter.

>>2639689
I'm sure riots will make a man who was born shortly after the Black Plague shiver.

>>2639818
These are the mildest societal issues in history, what the fuck?

>>2637687
Is this the autistic neckbeard NEET's version of WEWUZ? Holy fucking shit how pathetic.

>All these "Shut the fuck up first world problems" comments

Well guess what, the richer other countries become, the more they'll experience the same problems.

If middle and upper-class life actually necessitates anti-depressants, there's something seriously wrong with it, and it's a problem that actually needs fixing.

>>2640187
Yeah man, unlike war, famine, poverty and being a filthy serf.

>>2640191
>There are worse things in the world therefore you should just ignore the shit right in front of you

I'll remember that when your Tesla catches fire with you in it.

>>2640187
What's the % of people on pills? How many of these people actually need pills to function?

>>2640204
When would you like to live then? In which period life was better?

>>2640187
You can always go work on a farm.

>>2640187
What are you fucking Amish? Fuck off, go shovel dirt on a farm if you like the good old days so much

>>2640210
>lacking reading comprehension THIS much

wew

>>2640214
It was a pretty simple question.

>>2640205
>What's the % of people on pills?

It's pretty high in every OECD country.

>>2640219
How about giving me a fucking percentage?

>>2640217
I'm not answering your irrelevant questions. You can reread my original post here>>2640187 and use your brain.

>>2640221
How about it's not my job to Google shit for you? Christ.

>>2640225
>make a flimsy argument
>wanna back that up with stats?
>FUCK YOU REEEEEEE

Jej

>>2640225
Not that guy but you're the one making the argument, wtf?

>>2639689
Vinci, Voltaire or any intellectual before XIX century would kill for ability to find almost all human knowledge at hand's reach or communicate with people from all over the world.

Enlightment philosphers would cream themselves at seeing the widespread democracy.

Normal peasants would cream themselves at not having to worry about surviving winter and eating as much meat as they wish.

your arguments against current times are
>transexuals existing and wanting to piss in whatever toilet they wish
truly, the horror is unbearable
>protests
truly, the horror of people saying things they want to happen is unbearable. I also wish it was forbidden
>children having sex
ask Jadwiga of Poland how it went down in the past lmao
>drugs
literally every society in history consumed psychoactives, be it coca leaves, khat, cannabis, alcohol or what else you can imagine
>violent radicals
yes, unthinkable in 1500s
>porn
it's kinda spooky for you to think that's a bad thing
>riots, that french revolution doesn't compare to
you mean nignogs chimping out? try Thomas Muntzer's chimpout.

>>2640224
So you admit you have no point.

>life is hard because some people are sad
So you're on pills anon?

>>2640228
>>2640229
It literally takes you fucking 30 seconds if that, to Google it.

Do you really think I'm going to supply a source only to have you say "Oh year the American Psychological Association, they are just lying Jews" or "Nope, that's just fake news" or "Yeah that's not a credible source".

So no, fuck off niggers. Do your own homework.

>>2640128
I just don't particularly enjoy living in an atomized society where traditional culture and identity is deconstructed and criticized to the point of irrelevance in favor of an entirely materialistic and legalistic low trust culture where people base their identity on their consumption habits.

Clearly the only alternative to this is the worst possible strawman of existence as a medieval serf. Thank you, your passive aggressive shitpost has truly shown me the error in my logic.

What a fool I was to think that a strong community with shared values and heritage mattered at all! Neil Degrase Tyson and Bill Nye said we're all just socially constructed atoms anyways! Who can complain when I am lucky enough to choose from a plethora of consumer identities already prepackaged and focus group tested by marketing executives and political groups for me! This new iphone 7 really takes my mind off the fact that my neighbors come from foreign cultures and barely speak English!

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>>2640238
/his/ everybody

>>2640240
Go live on a farm cocksucker nobody's stopping you.

>>2640234
>35,000 people died in car accidents in the U.S in 2015
>But all those deaths don't matter though because Congo is worse

>>2640240
There were no foreigns in the past? I thought back in the day you could buy a boat ticket to the USA and that's all you needed to get in there.

>>2640240
Yeah, so you'd rather simply have an ideology to subscribe because you can't handle the society. Also it is retarded for you to think, that current society have no common values (i.e tolerance, if you wanna dwell on muh immigrants), or that it has no common heritage. Woefully, you did not expand that thought before going into passive-agressive rant in which you reject current scientific knowledge and decide your biggest problem in life is the fact your neighbour is named Hernandez.

So mate, when and where would you like to live?

nah, I think it's pretty bad to be alive in general

>>2640240
What a pathetic passive aggressive whiny cunt. You wouldn't fit in any time period NEET.

>>2640240
You probably wonder why people aren't fond of you.

>>2640275
Sounds to me like he's right and you have zero arguments tbqh.

Why does it seem like the smart people who build the society are cosmopolitan and then some of their "descendants" who were just born into it become so xenophobic?
Of course I'm not talking about mass immigration but complaining that there are some foreigns seem like too much.

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>>2640277
>he

>>2640279
foreigners*

>>2640279
It doesn't, you're wrong

>>2640245
I don't want to live on a farm, faggot, I just don't want to live in a nihilistic society that thinks that cheap chinese electronics are the highest good in life

>>2640257
Well they were backwards nazi racists who didn't know diversity is our greatest strength, so they actually set limits on immigrants rather than import millions and millions of third worlders

>>2637687
>food is much more abundant than ever
>housing quality is much better than ever
>modern medicines are able to defeat most of the dangerous diseases
>food quality is much better than ever
>you literally have access to almost every song, vidya and movie ever
>modern middle class has better living conditions than bourgeois 200 years ago
>life expectancy is much higher than ever and will continue to rise until humans are able to decide how long they live
>there has never been so few wars
>crime rate is much lower than ever
yup, really bad times.

>>2640295
Aaand the /pol/ack comes out.

>>2640295
What about those Irish immigrants that I saw in the movie "Gangs of NY"?

>>2639114
>eating is the sole reason to live
wait...why else would they keep you around?
This is the argument the left (Ameritards californianized version of the left) are making for exploiting hispanics in the US:
"If we do not exploit these people how are the pro-fat activists supposed to be at their best! What about all the consumer products we market and press upon you! Hollywood would be destroyed without these cheap services!"

It is pretty fucked up. BNW/1984 is a-brewin' and Hillaries audience don't seem to know or care about much beyond identity politics

>>2640295
this

the only reason people ITT are whining about modernity is immigrants - if we killed them or forced them to go away using guns, then everybody will be happy and content

we will be as close to paradise as possible

>>2640310
>complaining about identity politics while complaining about lack of identity
heh

>>2637773
>>2637794

Guys, don t you realize the child mortality was fucking crazy at the time ? Maybe we had better genes, but fortunately for us, because more than 50% of children birthed in europe would not reach age 18 from the dawn of times to the 1600s

>>2637932
So what other indicators would you take ?

Because Living, Being Smart and Accumulate ressources is basically what human aimed to do since 5 millions years ago

>>2640295
>I just don't want to live in a nihilistic society that thinks that cheap chinese electronics are the highest good in life
The society you just wrote about is far from the reality you live in.

>>2640263
The only common values are empty consumerism and a pathological tolerance which people use to rationalize abdicating any moral responsibility to society. We've become a global shopping mall where people are interchangeable production and consumption units and everyone can be as much of an antisocial freak as they want as long as they don't say anything mean about trannys.

Community in the real sense of the world cannot exist in this climate, as that necessitates discrimination and enforced cultural norms, which are a priori evil and probably spooks too.

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>>2640318
I posted an infant mortality graph, but it seems feels are indeed greater than reals.

>>2640352
Sounds like you want to be Amish. Fag.

>>2640352
You sound like a drama queen desu.

>>2640355
wrong
he wants YOU to be Amish

>>2640352
>antisocial freak
Says the disenfranchised shut-in blaming society for his autism.

Though I admittedly haven't lived in a desperately poor urban area, when living in cities I have not found it difficult to feel welcomed into the local communities simply through supporting local small businesses, taking the time to say hello to people, offering to help people if they look like they need it. It isn't hard. That's leaving aside the community spirit of the country towns I've lived in.

>>2640355
Sounds like you're a butthurt child in a grown up costume.

>>2640372
He says while bitching that modern society doesn't cater to his needs and doesn't pamper his spoiled faggot ass.

>>2640360
Yeah. The Amish seem like good natured people to me so he wouldn't fit there either, ironically.

>>2640230
>Enlightenment philosophers would cream themselves to see wide spread democracy

The fuck they would, not the way we do it

>>2640472
Explain.

>>2639428
>he's still ass pulling this hard
ANYBODY I DISAGREE WITH
MUST BE A FAT FUCKING WHITE MALE
>>2639566
le everywhere was always getting raped by barbarians or starving to death meme

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>>2640648
>he's still ass pulling this hard
And you aren't?

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>>2640678

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>>2640686

no, because muh technology

t. autists

>>2640688
>Saito (2010) has created a chronology of famines in Japan since the 6th century. Before the 14th century data is judged to be incomplete (although the records for the 8th and 9th are surprisingly complete – there were more than 35 famines in each of the two centuries. Overall Saito’s chronology comprises information on 281 famines. None of these 281 famines happened in the 20th century but the following graph shows that the end of hunger in Japan arrived gradually. Before 1550 there were more than 10 famines per 50 years – since then famines became less and less common in Japan.

>>2640694
yes, becauase muh zog judeo-bolshevik cultural implosion

t. meme huffing shut-in

>>2640678
So, deaths have risen? Really fires my neurons.
>ends at 2000
>>2640686
>>2640688
oh wow, there are less famines because the majority of NA and possibly even Europe at this point are obese, so OBVIOUSLY everything is better! I sure love hearing about people driving cars into crowds and blowing up and girls being kidnapped to be used as sex slaves while I'm dependent on a country that has to use anti-suicide nets to fucking clothe myself for a reasonable price!

>>2640737
T. /pol

>>2639394
I am from a village in india.
Life's comfy here.

>>2640737
>>2640737
>>>2640678 (You)
>So, deaths have risen? Really fires my neurons.
Look at the very slow upwards trend from 1400, contrast with the steep drop since 1945
>ends in 2000
Don't bitch when you've provided zero data to support your moaning.
>oh wow, there are less famines because the majority of NA and possibly even Europe at this point are obese, so OBVIOUSLY everything is better!
Obesity is a disease of excess.
>I sure love hearing about people driving cars into crowds and blowing up
Deaths from terrorism have dropped off steeply since the excesses of the late 70s ans 80s
>and girls being kidnapped to be used as sex slaves
And you really think that didn't happen in the past? We have extradition, interpol and police cooperation to combat this. >while I'm dependent on a country that has to use anti-suicide nets to fucking clothe myself for a reasonable price!
It is a great pity that suicide nets are in use where you are.

>>2637694
>that feel when "Pax Romana" is basically just the state that all first world countries enjoy today

>>2640765
I should add, it's a "village" in the sense that it's a little out of the city and I am surrounded by rich corrupt dudes.

>>2639279
that's like most Chinese autocrats

>>2640783
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>2638445
that image is too wrong

for one, America never experienced hard times
Russia never experienced good times no matter how strong they gotten
Germany always experience hard times every time they get strong
England was strongest at their most foppish
and France is powerful BECAUSE of their good times

>>2640794
blog site I got it from cited this

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

>>2640794
It's an unsourced graph without data points and reference group shown.

Of course it's totally legit!

>>2640794
Looks like the USA, generally when somebody gives inadequate information on here when asking for advice they are from the US, that seems true for that shit graph too. Those peaks only just manage to eclipse the peak at the end of prohibition.

>>2640821
>>2640806

>>2640821
Meant to say Interestingly enough* at the start if that last sentence, I wasn't really making a point with that.

Prehistory.

damn Millennial really want to claim they are the worst generation so badly despite all the evidence against it and no evidence for it.

Is it because they want to be a special snowflake? Is it because if they believe their generation sucks they feel that someone should owe them something?

>>2640806
>>2640825
Literally all graphs except fig. 1 and 2 are about 1980-2008, the other two are about 1950-2008, so that's a really shitty source for that graph.

The graph is based on data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, which only started in 1950, but the study is actually mostly about data from the SHR, which started in 1980.

See:
>Most of the data used here are from the SHR, which is a part
of the UCR Program.

pre-history, I guess.

>>2637687
Isn't best period in history to be alive?

>>2639516
Even if you wanted to consume pre-industrial entertainment, you can do so much more effectively today.

>>2637687
This deep questionl deserves a deep answer. Go and watch Midnight in Paris by Woody Allen.

>>2641171
But he a joooo!

One thing I've noticed reading all the shit in this thread:
The people who answer "yes" can only deal with strawmen version of their opponents.

>>2641186
Give me a gf now.

>>2641189
that seems to be the psychological root of most of their complaints.

>>2641184
Exactly. He knows all the secret truths

I'll bet good money the people saying we live in the best times ever are the same people posting in other threads about how antidepressant use and substance abuse is through the roof and asking why.

>>2641204
The world has always been awful, but it is general a lot less awful objectively than it used to be.

>>2641204
The number of televisions and television consumption has gone THROUGH THE ROOF since 530 A.D.

Coincidence? I think not.

>>2640755
>>2640769
You aren't getting the point, are you autistic by chance?

It's the KNOWLEDGE of all of this that is upsetting.

>>2641241
happiness is relative. You really notice this if you grow up with or hang out with very wealthy people.

you could also argue that the world is more awful now for more people due to the population boom. Only 15% of the global population live in developed countries.

>>2641186
Both sides are dealing almost entirely with strawmen desu
>If you say yes you're a Luddite who needs to movie to Africa
>If you say know you're a materialistic degenerate who is clearly dead inside

>>2639102
>All of these things have been experienced at large countless times before, and will be experienced countless times more. This proves absolutely nothing. Anyone can write a bunch of vaguely pessimistic nonsense about how "everything sucks nowadays," but that doesn't make it true.

I knew somebody would say this. The disintegration of the family, the community's lack of cohesive values and identity are unique to our time, including the societal ills which manifest from this, the widespread alienation and rootlessness. Nothing of what I said was vague. Your reinterpretation of what I said is inaccurate.

The corruption in government that I was referring to is the military-industrial complex, also unique because of corporate power, reach, and potential destructiveness.

/his/ needs to accept that not everything has a historical precedent. Young men choosing to become NEETs and living off autism bucks while forsakenjng and women taking over career fields, forsaking family and becoming miserable childless spinsters while the government monitors all these isolated people's activities at once, is something different, for example. Never has there been alienation like this.

>>2641739
*while forsakening women who are taking over career fields

All of what I said is being studied in academia because it's causing problems for our economy and society in general.

>>2641475
>Only 15% of the global population live in developed countries
I'd like a source on this and a definition of what constitutes 'developed'

>>2641490
>>If you say yes you're a Luddite who needs to movie to Africa
this accusation mainly happens in response to the other one.

Question for the technophiles in this thread: how do you reconcile the fact that despite the benefits of our advanced technology, it has also facilitated the deaths of hundreds of millions of people in the last century, not to mention the ever present threat of nuclear annihilation. Are the benefits of technology for a relatively small portion of humanity worth the massive amount of violence and genocide it has enabled? While the west at leadt has been relatively peaceful for the last few decades, the two deadliest wars in human history still remain in recent memory and nuclear weapons only become more accessable as technology progresses. Is dying from the spanish flu or infection worse than being killed by chemical weapons or white phosphorous bombs? For all the troubles of the pre-modern world, it seems our capacity for destruction has also grown exponentially as our technology improves

>>2642003
Violent deaths are their lowest rate in history
Violent deaths have probably always been a very small portion of all deaths and certainly are now.

During the Black Death

>>2642026
I'm not sure you could find a more bloody period than the 20th century. Ghengis Khan comes to mind I guess but I doubt even that comes close

>>2642003
Literally a braindead African warlord.

>>2642081
I'm not sure what this means

>>2642074
It's the 21st century.

>>2638484
>I wish I could live in the spiritual and cultural height of my civilisation...
>"ugh, I can't even! what about BATMAN? huh? and I wouldn't even be able to watch Hentai either.. everything is always getting better unless things happen I don't like"

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>2642026
could this not just be that modern medicine keeps people alive that would've died even 60 years ago from an attack? I doubt people have become more placid and peaceful, especially when you compare crime rates in cities (behavioral sinks) to traditional rural areas.

>>2639279
Thats a reality of china though, as in, they have murdered their own people more than most countries across teh eras

>third industrial revolution that won't stop,
>we can speak with people from the other side of the world and reach them too
>We can live up to 80s and more.
>Many of us can now go through their life without the necessity of being enlisted for a war that could directly affect our country

>poverty generally going down despite the many problems that still plague society nowadays

>>2637946
These diseases did not appear the moment we named anon.

>>2642229
I don't think that's the main reason. There hasn't been a major war in western Europe for 70 years, only one really in Eastern Europe in that same period.
The various leftist insurgencies that wrecked South America and Sub-Saharan Africa are winding down slowly but gradually. India and Pakistan have not gotten into a major shooting war since the 1970s, totalitarian, mass-murdering regimes in China, South-east Asia, and the former Warsaw pact have been replaced with a variety of regimes that range from okay to awful but are less brutal than their predecessors in almost every case. it's not even clear that the middle east is worse now than it was just a few decades ago. The Iran-Iraq war killed close to a million, Israel enjoys a cold peace with the Arab states and now mainly has to deal with knife-wielding teenagers.

>>2642219
Given the utter stupidity of your response i'm afraid to ask, but when was this alleged cultural height?

>>2640187
>antidepressants
They exists since only...now, of course people could not use them before, but escapism still existed, in the form of drugs, it feels like you are implying that the product created the demand and not the other way around and that such demand is fairly recent.
First you should not misjudge anti-depressants right away
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/06/hey-lets-not-get-carried-away-anti-depressants-really-do-help-people/257976/

Second, why can't we treat the Brain like we treat our other organs? If you are not producing enough calcium because your thyroid is faulty you might need to take some.
If a nail got stuck in your head and your personality did a 180° or you started having hallucinations, or other problems, would you say that "it's just a mental thing, is all in your head"?

So is anyone going to offer a better period of time to live in or are they just going to keep trying to argue that better things aren't actually better

>>2637687
>Is this the worst period in human history to be alive?

Nah, famalam, that would be the Victorian era.
>all the other problems associated with historical cultures are essentially exacerbated by the extreme overcrowding due to shit urban development
>music and art were better, though.

>>2642219
There's nothing more pretentious than someone who complains about the frivolity and decadence of modern culture while choosing to spend their time arguing on a Japanese imageboard well known for hosting child pornography and creating memes.

>>2642416
If life in the victorian cities was not in some way better than life in rural areas why did people move into them so rapidly?

>>2642475
They did that with the idea of not having to do any back-breaking, hazardous work for very long.

>>2642535
really? and how exactly did word not spread quite quickly back home that this wasn't the case? Why was there mass influx back to the rural areas?

>>2638316
>People from the past couldn't turn out into autistic losers


That's right, also stop overusing(misuing the word autism, we're not on /b/, only extremely rich people could indulge in otio, and it wasn't regarded as bad, work itself wasn't really valued that much by the Romans

>People from the past didn't kill themselves because their life just sucked

This happened, yes

>>2640371
I like how you don't address any of his arguments and just assume he's antisocial (and even if he is, it's just ad hominem and therefore a fallacy)

>>2642412
He's clearly implying that the state of modern society is the causal factor for a rise in depression.

>>2640300
I like how you just list off a bunch of stats and fail to mention if people are actually satisfied even with all this consumerist shit. For instance, do they feel a sense of community now? Do they have purpose? Are they creating great works that will go down in history as marvels of this age?

>>2640324
Haha, no that anon is exactly right.
See the Aut/his/ts in this thread claiming that the CURRENT YEAR is the best because of access to consumer goods
And they must think Chinese goods are the best since they've given up any actual kind of "good" in this world, i.e: belief in God, sense of duty to the nation and one's fellow citizens, the pursuit and actual preservation of families

>>2638146
>largest stores of human knowledge
Yeah but it's all either completely false or completely useless
Don't act like the internet is a great source of education, when you're statistically more likely to come out an even bigger retard when you've used it to reaffirm your stupid ideas

>>2642804
For how smug you are acting, you sure aren't fulfilling your own criteria either and instead just seem to assume that everyone is as bitter as you about "consumerist shit", and that in whatever nostalgia-goggled times you are looking back to, everyone had a sense of community and purpose, and that people valued those goods just as much and didn't value "consumerist shit".

Where's your meta-review about happiness indices for 14th century Provencal farmers?

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>>2642003
>Are the benefits of technology for a relatively small portion of humanity
I disagree, advances in technology have raised standards of living all across the world. Famines are now rare events limited to areas with the most exceptional political situations like North Korea and Somalia, and that alone is cause for immense celebration in my opinion. Whether or not we can contain our destructive potential remains to be seen, but I think we have done an admirable job of resisting the temptation of nuclear war for the last 70 years. Perhaps you find the abstract terror of possible human extinction by nuclear war more frightening than, say, viking attack, but personally I feel incredibly safe today compared to most people in history.

>>2637687

Uh no.

This is actually, unironically one of the best times to be alive.

Among civilized nations, mortality is down considerably; people are better fed, better educated and we have been in a period of prolonged peace among major powers for longer than what could be considered.

Its definitely confusing, but hey, at least you get to exchange shitposts on a indonesian sock knitting forum with people in australia.

>>2641317
You aren't getting my point, are you autistic by any chance?

I have dumped many conciliances of data that show that the times we live in are unparalleled for health outcomes, food availability, freedom from conflict, etc; and yet nobody has challenged the methodology or responded with data in kind, only with insubstantial and pathetic society blaming moaning.

>>2642818

Faith, fraternity and family doesn't give me free 3D hardcore pornography desu

>>2642804
>For instance, do they feel a sense of community now? Do they have purpose?
I get the impression that you're lacking those things, and so you think that they are deficient in our whole civilization. If being a farmer and working the land by hand is what you think will give you purpose, I have good news because you can still do that. Even better, you will be able to stop whenever you want unlike most humans who lived in sedentary societies throughout history.

>>2642579
I'm challenging his notion that "community in the real sense of the word cannot exist in this climate" with my personal experience of community. The insult is also ancillary to the argument and so isn't an ad hominem you fucking retard.

>>2640765

I'd go to one but even though Indian girls are master race tier the families make it not worth it

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No, it's actually pretty great. I mean shit, the majority of complaints people have on here come down to "somebody on the internet hurt my feelings".

We live comfortable lives, have the best medicine in all of history, and have easy access to information and entertainment. If you live in a first world country then life is pretty great compared to the rest of history.

>>2643004
>I said hello

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I mean it has it's issues but modern day time isn't all that bad. we have Brown girls and delicious spicy food and penicillin.

Maybe if you're not intelligent enough to take advantage of all the possibilities, or born in a shit hole. But from where I'm standing this is the most exhilarating time to be alive. Back in the day only a small portion of society could become scientists. Now it's a lot more egalitarian. Plus we're finally getting to the point where we can master the genome.

the sense of convergence on fermi-paradox pass or fail condition

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>>2642991
Why the fuck do you insufferable reddit faggots keep equating community with fucking farming? That has nothing to do with what anyone in this thread has been arguing about. I swear, you people are be so far gone you think not wanting to live in an atomized, low trust society makes you some kind of country bumpkin.

Yes, blame the boomers

There is no reason to believe a loser today wouldn't be a loser back in the day. To be honest I pity people who think having the freedom to choose what they can become is a sign of decaying society.

>>2643816

>There is no reason to believe a loser today wouldn't be a loser back in the day.

It's just people trying to blame society instead of themselves.

>>2637813
Yeah but literally everyone and their mother knows that money isn't the key to happiness, criticizing materialism is a cliche

How do you quantify "community" and "purpose"? The consumerist shills in the thread are at least providing empirical data even if it's faked

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>>2637694
90% of people would kill for change, you pleb.
This is what happens when you're too /his/ and not enough &hum. Read some historical philosophers that existed at these times you'd bitch about being awful. They knew who they are and lived how they could. It was more natural and to an extent more pleasing. I'll try and remember the quote exactly but there's one in particular that basically says, the least happy man is one allowed to sit in his quaters and wonder why he was happy.
Adversity is relative and people will always feel hard done by. It's why we continue to grow. We don't sit still. Just because loads of people back then would want to be here doesn't preclude the idea that loads of people here would want to go there.

>>2643970
>doesn't preclude the idea that loads of people here would want to go there.
It doesn't, but they're retarded and should be mocked

>>2643996
>missing the point
People wanting to leave their time period should be mocked or pittied regardless of their origin or desired destination, you fucking retard.

>>2643956
Read Bowling Alone by Putnam and Coming Apart by Murray

>>2643956
Empirical data about life expectancy has nothing to do with quality of life.
If you want some more indicative statistics look no further than the rapidly rising rates of depression.

>>2644030
But where's the empirical proof that the way society is headed is tied to depression statistics

>>2644052
wtf does that even mean?

>>2644303
Show me a bunch of graphs about social trends and connect them to the "rapidly rising rates of depression" either prove there's a direct cause or have a shitload of trends that would correlate with the depression rates.

>>2644010
you strike me as a serious person. i would recommend you reread the opening of coming apart where murray say he would have to be taken back to the 1960s kicking and screaming.

>>2638023
Either you don't see crude oil as vital, or your one of those "technology will save the day" delusional fucks. Either way, your wrong.

>>2638029
>increased education
Who said we are doing that? The youth is having their education cut to make statistics look better. Uni's are also doing similar things and turning into money seeking corporations that don't really care about education anymore.

>>2644397
Technology is already in the 'saving us' you delusional malthusian fuck.
also
*you're

>>2644404
>your correcting
piss off

>already in the 'saving us'

How exactly?

>Solar
meme
>Wind
meme
>Batteries for powering anything but short range cars
meme
>Fusion
meme meme meme
>humans deciding to use less
biggest meme ever

What is there anon? Nothing can save us from the inevitible drop.

>>2644375
I don't either, but I don't see how that speaks to the data trends presented in the book. Just responding to Anon's request for quantifiable evidence of eroding social cohesion.

Also, It's probably worth bearing in mind that Charles Murray pretty much has to temper everything he says since the Bell Curve due to all the muh racism shit he gets. He pretty much has to qualify everything he says nowadays, so I'm not sure how much weight I'd give his editorializing.

>>2644435
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+hydraulic+fracturing

>>2644318
Rising depression rates are a serious social trend you turbo nigger. Do you want a peer reviewed study telling you why depression is bad or something?

he is not lenin so no....

>>2644444
checked

>>2644444
The Depression rate can be a phenomena completely unconnected to social trends for all you've proven you dubs scripting fuck

>>2644435
Peak oil is the biggest meme of them all. Le smoking man documentary was full of shit.

>>2644443
lol

That is just sucking out the last bits that we couldn't before. It is no where near to a solution. Extends our grace period but the end days are still coming.

>>2644481

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+coal+to+oil

>>2637687
>tfw you weren't born in the pre-industrial era where you could behold nature in all its glory without human interference or pollution

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>>2644490

what is destorying the fucking biosphere you mad bastard


I don't want to live in the sheep look up. I like breathing, I like the sun

>>2644494
Just go outside ffs it's not that hard.

>>2644502
lolwut. air pollution is the biggest meme environmental problem ever. Literally just tax pollution, problem solved
also
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+nuclear+power

>>2644471
Fuck you my natty quads speak the truth. It's entirely reasonable to assume that a drastic shift in rates of mental illness is correlated to concurrent radical shifts in social trends. If you've got evidence to the contrary let me know, otherwise it seems like a pretty solid hypothesis to me.

>>2644509

>It's entirely reasonable to assume that a drastic shift in rates of mental illness is correlated to concurrent radical shifts in social trends.

well lets see

>methods of diagnosing people get better
>the number of diagnoses goes up

no wait you're right, it's probably just that people are unhappy with being healthy and living in a comfortable home with not much to worry about

>>2644471
>depression can be unrelated to society
Name one way in which it could be?
Environment is societal now.
Foods are.
Health is societal.

Face it. It's a societal issue whether it's social, genetic, environmental or some external force such as health conditions or industrial standards.

>people shit talk &hum
>spout shit like this
Wew laddo /his/

>>2637694
That's a retarded argument if you considered that there is MORE future ahead of us than past behind us, which means we ARE the 90% of people who would kill to live in 2500,3000,3500 etc...

>>2644850
That's a retarded argument because you presume to know the conditions of those times.
Just like the other anon pretended he had a fucking clue that 90% of people in the past had any fucking idea what it would be like now.

>>2644854
The concept of Utopia is older than you think. Probably as old as civilization itself.

There is a reason why in certain religions people think that humanity started in the garden of Eden or some utopian society.

>>2644872
Utopia isn't the future. It could be a magic land across the seas. It manifested in loads of ways. That you can't dissociate it with how most people see it in the modern time is telling of your ability to model the perspectives of those in older times.

Utopia and wanting to live in the future are entirely different concepts. I don't think I was born in the wrong generation but if you offered utopia I'd be gone in a fucking instant.
Also the definition of what would constitute Utopia was also very fluid.

>>2644881
I tell you what Utopia is. Connection.

Connection to your ancestors, to your family, to your tribe, to your traditions, even to the food you kill yourself and to survival.

People in the past had a lot of it. I would even say the first societies on earth were pretty Utopian and far preferable to the existence we have today.

Just imagine how it feels when your entire tribe values your skills and literally their entire survival depends on you. When you have to protect people you knew your entire life. Wouldn't that motivate you to be the best human being you can possibly be? Back then people really knew each other. Real friendship really existed where people saved each others lives.

Today this feeling is hard to get unless you are literally Elon Musk. Today we have an absence of connection. It feels like nothing matters. Everyone is replaceable. Friendship is limited to class and interests and is more about finding someone who validates you than a comrade.

why do so many retards in this thread assume saying the current is the best time to live in human history means there is absolutely no problems. Of course there still shit that's terrible currently, but it's still better than the past in every possible way. I'm a Christian arab, in the past I would have been an exploited farmer peasant working in the same place until I die. Thankfully I live in 2017 California where I can get an education for almost nothing, barely have to worry about diseases, don't even think of war, and could do whatever the fuck I want. Do I want to live on a farm in Ramallah like the past? I can still do that now. Do I want to become a writer growing weed in Humboldt country? I can do that. Do I want to become a fucking juggalo? I can do that. The past is interesting, but fuck living in a time with so many barriers, technologically and socially. I can be who ever, what ever I want, and if you want to kill yourself and bitch about not having someone tell you who you want to be, then you'll always be a slave, in the past and future

>>2644911
Purpose. The thing expansion takes from you. The sense of belonging that drives folks to act like idiots for global appeal.

I don't think it would be quite as simple as that, but it's close for sure.

>>2644916
Why would you assume that the quality of ones life is defined by a lack of 'problems' when it's been well defined and researched that a lack of negatives doesn't equate to positive- just a lack of negative?
Seems pretty retarded don't you think?

>>2644917
Plus back then you didn't have to compete with the entire fucking world.

It was very possible that you were the strongest or most skillful in your entire tribe/village and you only had to compete with the local population for females. This sounds like Utopia to me.

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>>2643560
>Why the fuck do you insufferable reddit faggots keep equating community with fucking farming?
The thread is about comparing modern industrial life with pre-industrial life, and that's what most people did in sedentary pre-industrial civilization: they farmed. If you're saying that you are fine with modern urban industry and just want a culture of low atomization, then I guess I am just having a hard time imagining what that would be like.

>>2644924
Did you even read the post? There are still problems, but not having to deal with war, disease, and lack of social and political maneuverability does improve the quality of one's life, are you retarded? No one's saying you're gonna be happy in 2017, but it's a hell of a lot easier when you aren't worrying about the horse nomads north of you that'll raid, kill and rape your family. If you still enjoy those aspects there's places in the world where you can experience something similar, no one's stopping you from going

>>2644924
When the problems we're talking about could kill you and your family I think it's fair to say that the lack of them corresponds quite well with quality of life. If my child or I were starving to death I would trade tradition and community for food in a heartbeat.

>>2644958
No, but you seem to be. Negative have nothing to do with positives. You can see sick people who love their lives. Positives are positves and negatives are negatives, at least interms of life quality. While they cancel each other out when you objectively sum up a life they hardly interact in the personal, anecdotal, experiential measure of life quality.

The depressed and unsatisfied rich man for example.

You're operating on fundementally wrong warants. That's all.

>>2644951
What's so bad about farming?

You don't have a boss or a punch clock or colleagues or etiquette or traffic.

All you have to do is make sure that you grow enough to survive and pay the king his taxes. How you do it is entirely up to you. The manual labor keeps you strong too and you don't have to go to the gym. You don't have to put up with fucking anything that modern society throws at you. No bad news, no advertisement, no manipulation, no jealousy, no cucking. No trouble figuring out what to do.

Only you, your family and your work like god intended.

Sounds manly desu.

>>2644967
Oh my God just learn how to read, when did I say they cancel each other out? Living in the past has more negatives, the present doesn't. Whether or not that leads to a happy life doesn't matter, a non retarded person would choose the life with the least amount of negatives, which include war, disease, and lack of social and political maneuverability, something 99.9% of people do not want to experience first hand, and especially not effect themselves and their families

>>2644986
>living in the past has less negatives
>
>they would want to come here
a) "would" as in didn't but would had they known which is not the premise of this thread
b) a lack of negatives doesn't account for the positives of whatever era they were in
A lack of negatives is not the only factor, is my point. Please take a breath.

>>2644976
Sounds like you would be pretty happy as a slave.

>>2644997
please give me your positives of any Era of human history that would outweigh the lack of negatives in our modern time including the things I already listed and

starvation

travel times

lack of education

superstitions

lack of any scientific knowledge
unless you are the top of your society,

lack of any artistic knowledge and opportunities

you couldn't be an atheist in most culture without being burned alive, not even gonna try to list everything else that would land you in the dungeons or dragged through the streets like a pig

literacy rates

nature actually being a real danger

cutting your thumb and dying from infection

ect, ect I'm getting lazy


there is absolutely nothing in the past that that is attractive enough to make me disregard all of its negatives

>>2645017
>live a quiet reclusive life in nature like your ancestors with fresh air and exercise every day and 100% biological food that you cultivated yourself. you don't even have to speak a single word.

>worse than being a wage slave who has to jump like a well-trained dog whenever his boss tells him to and has to wear the same fake smile every day then come home and sit in front of the zombie box and eat processed food

You sound like a cuck.

>>2645033
>live a quiet reclusive life in nature like your ancestors with fresh air and exercise every day and 100% biological food that you cultivated yourself. you don't even have to speak a single word.

NO ONE is stopping you from doing this now, save money and buy a fucking farm. The difference between now and the past is people have the option to not have to do that, and aren't tied to the land like a slave

>>2645039
It's not the same idiot.

>>2645045
pathetic, hope you end up working on a farm and realize how terrible it is. My grandpa worked on a farm living in a one room, dirt floored shack with 8 of his siblings. Without the advances of the West he would have lived an died there with me alongside him

>>2645060
Life isn't only about fun you degenerate.