Occultism & Magick: Library Update 49

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>>2636838
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teUMcu6p9o0

https://youtu.be/4ff7TcnqHUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvckocaVPNA

https://youtu.be/JF_U-0Jh1eM

https://youtu.be/0EYYN_Dt0FY?t=229

https://youtu.be/QW-l-CPC6QY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR0j2GE-LU4

https://youtu.be/mSm8_W2WDps

https://youtu.be/lxXOVk5rbWg

https://youtu.be/PNCqaSH-31U

https://youtu.be/CHLLzSpyhWk

>>2636838
(didn't bump)

>>2636919
https://youtu.be/ecoonOVWBc8

https://youtu.be/7YtRjj3zd98

https://youtu.be/l3iFcNUmRcc

https://youtu.be/JH6adfJtK8o

https://youtu.be/VQej3EkFrrg

https://youtu.be/OIlFl_e0SkM
^^^ I should note that for the last thirty or forty years, there are no "uncontacted" tribes. Invariably when pics of some "uncontacted" tribe gets circulated you can go to any anth department in the country and get a rundown on what linguistic and culture family they're from, isolated as they may be.

Just about every single one of these groups DID have contact with the colonial/church forces but the ethnocides in the Rubber Boom generally pushed them as deep into the interior as they could get because fuck a whole bunch of waking up to see your river choked with corpses or every man in the village missing limbs for not collecting rubber (if they were lucky enough to get a limb hacked off rather than shot on the spot).

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Thanks.
Will peruse later.

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>>2637080
Ayyy, Palo.

Did you catch the Teabo Manuscript from last time? The Mayan almost syncretic thing?

Also, you may get a kick out of Made-From-Bone.

>>2637096
https://youtu.be/NgldRTwN9jE

>>2637226
https://youtu.be/IScmhWjGUl4

>>2637235
need to upset christians to get bumps on this board

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>>2637266
I thought taking seriously the religions of mud savages (such as myself) and cannibalistic shamen would do the trick.

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>>2637271
Nobody reads primary source documents. It upsets the narrative.

Related, reading Azoetia is about to give me a nosebleed.

>>2637301
That's why I don't screw around too much with Azoetia.

If you notice the ritual structure is more or less the same as DBoE, on a circle of syllables; the Azoetia ritual year has two hypostates, the waking and dreaming arrangement of Aats.

I'm not exactly sure what order they need ran in, or if they're even particularly relevant to the Column of the Serpent Cross outside of Chumbley's personal elaborations.

It really feels like just the notes of an ambitious Neophyte.

Word on the street is that it was his running grimoire/"""book of shadows""" in his late teenage and early adult years.

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>>2637316
I'm interested in initiatic dream yoga so I thought it was worth a read. Turns out I value clarity and have little use for materials. It really does read like some teenage wycchan shit I have lying around.

>>2637316
>>2637301
>>2637390

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCaxmxChX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL6_FMqyNns&t=1s

https://youtu.be/OBCqQxW7sE8

https://youtu.be/vOEQNo5m4rg

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>>2637390
>>2637394
The hand vodou take on Spare was interesting, though.

>>2637397
>The Hand moves.
>The Quill moves.
>The Point is still.

>>2637448
So anyhow if the Ethnoshamanism isn't appealing, I added five academic texts to the Euro folder.

For more about male witches see Grimoire of Arthur Gauntlet.

For more on the Daimon's relation to stellar and planetary magick, see Agrippa's Three Books.

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Lecture on the aspects of parallelism between Western and New World esoterica from Manly Palmer Hall:

https://youtu.be/fXJwcVBgHUk

What are some historic Luciferian organizations and do you have Madeline Montalban's Order of the Morning Star correspondence course?

>>2637849
>historic Luciferian organizations
There were none. Luciferianism is a relatively recent phenomenon in any sort of organized structure.

That said, grimoires like Grimorium Verum contain much elaboration on Lucifer, but this is something of a rarity.

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>>2637849
>Order of the Morning Star correspondence course
Approach with caution.
Every single one of her influences are in my library.
She in turn went on to influence some rather more impressive folks in the same field.

thanks op

>>2638054
Not a problem.
*
I should probably mention that I'm running up into 92% of my free account space limit.

>>2638070
(bump to break up the cycle /pol/ threads)

>>2638087
By bumping x threads?

>>2638094
So I take it you don't want to talk about Amazonian ethnography and/or Tibetan divination and/or Coptic demon invokations and/or the development of European esoterica?

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>>2638111
Tell me the one ritual about how you cum on your wife's period blood for magikal potency powers.

That one always makes me cringe

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>>2638111
I mean, this is quite a diverse area to explore along all vectors of the board's topic(s).

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>>2638115
>wife's
Top zozzle.

>cum on
Or rather, well timed ritual intercourse.

>for magikal potency powers
Not at all, it was for an evokation.

>That one always makes me cringe
But you only learned about it in the last thread, anon.

Besides, if you think THAT is strange, you should scroll up top and thumb through the Tukanoan cosmology and rituals.

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>>2637963
Verum has all of 6 words about lucifer. Cute, red when angry, likes mice.

>>2638040
That's what interests me, what were her specific influences? All I've been able to find so far is a book that allegedly contains most of the course.

>>2638134
>Cute, red when angry, likes mice.
Also the most important sigil to have developed tied to the entity.

>>2638134
>what were her specific influences
Literally everything. She influenced one of the first members of the Cultus Sabbati fairly deep.

IJS you don't need an intermediary with all of the source materials on tap.

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>>2638130
Is spelling evocation wrong autism or the mark of a super powerful wizard?

>>2638145
>Also the most important sigil to have developed
Europe or Asia? Or the Exu Lucifer ponto riscado?

>She influenced one of the first members of the Cultus Sabbati fairly deep.
KG or was this before the TOTO connection?

>>2636838
Anything involving Jewish Kaballah, anon?

>>2638153
Early modern English through German and Latin before it, ca. 1600.

It's in-bounds. Just like "magick".

>>2638164
Most important for the sort of ceremonial Western magick someone asking this question is likely interested in.

I think her association with Grant was light. She'd spent more time with The Great and Wild Beast himself, iirc. But she did operate as a contemporary to Grant and influenced many many of Grant's students, including Mike Howard who edited Cauldron and sorta kinda popularized the modern conception of Luciferian Witchcraft.

>>2638176
My Kabbalah folder is the best on the internet. Fite me.

>>2638178
Is it in the Mega download?

>>2638195
Yup.

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>>2638178
>Early modern English through German and Latin before it, ca. 1600. It's in-bounds. Just like "magick".

Yep, it's autism

>>2638202
Thanks bro. I'm on mobile, and not home at the moment. I'll download the Mega app when I get some WiFi going.

>>2638208
>he comes into a thread that he doesn't like to complain about it when there's a function to hide not only threads but also individual trip users
>accuses others of autism
That's precious.

>>2638211
Yeah mate it's fuckhuge.

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>>2638178
>Howard
Eerie you should mention him. I just came full circle in 4 hours.

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>>2638237
Seeing that just pisses me off so much more DB didn't have Soror Pasht Akhti's work in it.

>>2638219
Why don't you call your goetic enochian succubus to kick my ass?

Hmmmmmmm? Is she busy with another wizard?

>>2638253
Just because you can string words together doesn't mean you're making sense.

You sound REALLY upset about someone on shitpostchan posting a thread you personally don't like.

>>2638249
It could have been the work of the great poet and artist magister therion instead, don't complain.

Also, it's like reading angelic process lyrics either way
https://youtu.be/pfBd7J75L9c?t=1m53s

>>2638269
Neat track mate.

Listening to Paulides' last Coast to Coast appearance.

Good shit.

>>2638267
Haha just picking on you for actually believing this nonsense and spreading it to others.

It's all fake, you must know that. You're just like the Catholics but with opposite virtues.

>>2638328
>Coast to Coast

I fukken lost it!

>>2638360
>for actually believing this nonsense
You mean like the hundreds of academic authors in the library?

>and spreading it to others
You mean access to religious and cultural source documents including the entire myth cycles of multiple tribes on the brink of the Void is bad?

>>2638364
Yeah, Noory's a lolcow; I listen for Dave P. and that's about it.

>>2638328
One day I need to sit down and work through all the background reading and practicum to run the dboe. I finally understand the context but not so much of the content and my current diet of occasional yoga and research articles is stagnating.

>>>/x/

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>>2638373
>academic
>LARPing about demons and spells like 13 year old girls

All right sunshine prove to us all that you have real magical powers.

The disparity between the claims of magick and the actual "abilities" of its practitioners is staggering. Blind leading the blind.

>>2638514
But why?

There's rather a huge amount of historical and anthropological source texts here, as mentioned a few times already.

>>2638513
I mean the vast majority of it is elaboration on the big main points of the Western grimoire tradition, some expansion on Thelema, and a healthy mix of Near Eastern cults (as it should be considering the time and place where Agrippa operated).

>>2638523
I don't think I ever actually made that claim. Also you not liking it doesn't make it non-academic.

>>2638530
Well if you're talking 'magick' with the 'k', then the supposed sphere of adumbration's rather narrow, and outcomes somewhat vague.

If this is just an excuse to make broad generalization, then carry on, but to the underlying point it would appear that most amateurs are exactly that, amateurs, which flood and infest every interest, like WWII history or science journalism.

>>2638560
So just to be clear you haven't got any evidence to prove that any of this is real.

Well that's exactly what I expected

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>>2637096
Nope.

What's the file structure for both in the mega?

unfalsifiable, pseudoscientific, confirmation bias laden trash

>>2638572
>you haven't got any evidence to prove that any of this is real.
I mean, we're on shitpost website. Any photography or video is open to claims of obvious manipulation.

Wanna meet for coffee sometime and/or run any number of the experiments from the source texts yourself?

It always amuses me when the purveyors of scientism are always eager to tell some batshit tinfoiler who won't do a simple experiment to do a simple experiment but recoil when you suggest they try the same with a rite from a 15th C. manuscript.

>>2638573
Teabo Manuscript, over in the Shamanic folder; it's good shit.

>>2638587
Well, the vast majority of ethnography is a taxonomic observation endeavor. And if you wanna argue with folks like Brill with massive international academic reputations, be my guest, but I doubt you'll get far.

>>2638596
>no I can't prove any of this and it's your fault: The Post

Welp I tried

>>2638621
When hypnosis works, is it confirmation bias?

>>2638596
Well noted.

Yeah except Thelema's motto is "the method of science; the aim of religion." I still don't get why people follow it when Crowley failed so spectacularly in his mission, just like Theosophy before him. Like holy shit, it's just as bad as people that still read osho books even after the whole rajneeshpuram scandal.

>>2638621
Prove...what exactly?
I never made a claim in need of substantiation.

I posted a text repository.

Moreover, I made the offer to meet you for ritual. I can't do much more than that unless you think of something more novel than a/v.

>>2638637
None of the shit I want the most appears to have been digitized. You should hunt down "The Devil in the Land of the Holy Cross".

https://utpress.utexas.edu/books/soudev

>That's University of Texas Press, again, to show the whiners how massive of an academic sphere esoterica actually is.

>>2638658
>the method of science; the aim of religion
I have 11 plus volumes of well recorded ritual notes including variable like weather, planetary position, etc.

>Crowley failed so spectacularly in his mission
Which was...what exactly?

>>2638628
I just find it telling that a man who has such an extensive hobby and so many ancient manuscripts and who obviously devotes so much effort to all this doesn't have a lick of evidence.

It seems to be edgy christianity lol

>>2638664
Prove any part of it.

You earlier mentioned an evocation... sorry evokation lol well what were you evoking?

How does the evoked entity manifest itself?

Is it just similar to intensive prayer or do you actually achieve concrete and tangible results?

I simply asked for any evidence at all. I'm not choosy. But you have nothing it seems but an invitation for me to come pray with you.

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>>2638669
>edgy christianity

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>>2636838
>ethnographies of Amazonian peoples and descriptions of their ritual/social practices

A suggestion for your collection

Posting the library in /his/ always funny to see people FREAK OUT over how it's not actually provable. When all Ape is doing is collecting and maintaining a library for reference.

>>2638669
All the source texts have been very helpful as the starting point of my research in cognition and perception and are constantly confirmed by current studies.

>>2638684
I'll invite you to my office to come sit down and shut up so we can get to the root of who hurt you and why you express it on a hungarian shoelace collecting symposium.

>>2638669
>doesn't have a lick of evidence.
>>2638664
>Prove...what exactly?
>I never made a claim in need of substantiation.
>Moreover, I made the offer to meet you for ritual. I can't do much more than that unless you think of something more novel than a/v.
If you don't want to take me up on the offer, that's not on me.

>It seems to be edgy christianity lol
Yes, that's exactly what Warao shamanism is.

>>2638684
You're right.
I have nothing.
I'm not posting to prove anything to anyone, or convert anyone to anything.
I don't finish my rites with a camera in my hand breathlessly waiting for the smallest result, for aforementioned reasons, not to mention I don't recall that being a part of any ritual replication I'm running.

If you're actually curious, then we can have some discourse over the next couple questions. If you're just here to complain and/or fuckpost, the only person who is wasting their time is you.

>>2638664
>Which was...what exactly?
I like how you resort to vague answers just to avoid making any claims that require to be backed up.

I'd imagine Crowley didn't see himself dying a penniless drug addict. I'd imagine with all his talk about ushering in the new aeon, he would have liked to have founded a religion that isn't fading slowly into obscurity with a few scattered lodges around the world consisting of edgy teenagers and middle aged larpers.

>>2638708
>Asking for any evidence is FREAKING OUT

lol sorry to trigger the wizards so hard

>>2638704
That's actually pretty funny

>>2638724
You want evidence that people have spiritual practices? Go outside.

>>2638669
Toth is a practitioner but as this is /his/ he is posting it for the historical benefit. Even then Toth rarely talks about his own spirituality / path, he just manages the library.

tl;dr - he doesn't need evidence because he has nothing to prove.

>>2638715
All right, what was the result of your evokation involving semen and period blood?

What goals did you perform it to achieve and do you consider them achieved?

>>2638728
Oh no, I just want proof that it's anything more than mental masturbation.

Or, as is so often the case with Thelema, organized public masturbation.

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>>2638705
Neat, thank you.

>>2638708
I mean I also go out of my way to leave MY results out of it and encourage individuals to feel free to reject it all as bullshit, but only if they've performed the experiments themselves and found them to be wanting.

>>2638712
>research in cognition and perception and are constantly confirmed by current studies.
I love my neurotheology collection.

>>2638712
>why you express it on a hungarian shoelace collecting symposium.
Don't make me cancel my Bhutanese carpet weaving round-table. I'm chairing the lecture series on dye phenomenology.

>>2638723
Neat history fail.
He'd been clean for about nine months or so when he'd died. If he'd had been as addicted as is often asserted, withdraws at his age shoulda killed him.

>penniless
Died with a lockbox of cash under his bed a Netherwood, a retirement home for academics.

>nded a religion that isn't fading slowly into obscurity with a few scattered lodges around the world
Local bodies have been on the rise for the last like ten years, despite all oddds.

>edgy teenagers and middle aged larpers.
Most Thelemites I interact with on a daily basis are professionals.

>>2638755
I improved my concentration and increased my HF and LF heart rate variability through yoga and worked through most of my shitty childhood leading to me being a more positive and self-actualized person capable of lasting relationships and career success.

>>2638755
Good to know that if I'd have taken the psychological route with a breakdown of the rites of IA through LA in the Dragon Book of Essex that would have been dismissed outright, beyond the succession of more complex results therefrom.

In any case the Column rites from early midsummer through the Fall Equinox should suffice for you at this point.

It's what I did. And why. And more or less have appeared to have gotten many/most of the results, insomuch as actually understand them.

>>2638784
inb4 "anecdotal"

Wow this is so much better than the thread usually is on /x/. I don't have shit to contribute because I am high af on opiates but God bless you Ape I'm gonna bump anyway

>>2638784
Talk to me once you start levitating, predicting the future, reading minds, or any of the outlandish siddhis yoga claims that can't be attributed to purely psychological phenomena.

>>2638797
Naw I'm open-minded.

You used yoga to achieve better health and the use of thelema brought you to a more grounded positive mental state and helped you work through past trauma.

I can accept that. No harm in it.

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>>2638805
I try mate.
>mfw I remember I have poppy pods for tea

>>2638811
>predicting the future, reading minds,
I'm a statistician and social psychologist, that's child's play.

>>2638812
It wasn't directly thelema, but having all the praxis laid out and a framework for it helped.

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>>2638827
>I'm a statistician and social psychologist, that's child's play.
lol irl
>I have program analysis tomorrow, one step before doctoral stats.

I like Thelema as a practical meta-philosophy.

>>2638794
I admit this is all above my head.

But then my Catholic friend often goes right over my head as well. And he's deeply devoted.

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>>2638832
Fuck SPSS.

Hey what do you weirdos think about these people's in Heavens Gate? Is there anything to that shit but just UFO nonsense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjEASk89JZI

>>2638835
The vast majority of it is building toward 'inner' work.

KU-LA gets real practical with some enemy retribution protocols to slip in your pocket that I've tried to decent effect.

I saw some....thing (shatner.wav) during the TAN rite that I don't really grok. Seen it a few times. Talked about it on /x/. My notes refer to it as a manananggal.

Many of the waypoints have come to pass but I need to go deeper, hence my ZHA reconstruction I'm planning over the Equinox.

>>2638861
>Equinox
Solstice, pardon.

>>2638850
I use SOFA stats.
And excel.
Because nine tenths of work environments won't have an SPSS license unless you're THE stats guy, which, yeah, I won't be. (Grades are stellar. Just no.)

>>2638860
Batshit.

>>2638876
>implying I pay for SPSS

>>2638861
So Catholics have their RCIA study group to bring new members up to speed how does one begin exploration of Thelema?

Or does one just walk into the nearest OTO lodge and ask?

Also, his true is it that OTO has it's roots in European Freemasonry?

>>2638860
I actually love these people even though I don't believe in that nonsense because it is a great example of how all it takes is two true believers to start a world changing cult

>>2638886
>Or does one just walk into the nearest OTO lodge and ask?
Look 'em up on the internet and shoot your local body an email first.

Read. Everything's online (mostly).

Yes, very much so. Roots going through Martinism, German Lodges. Memphis & Mizraim; much of it's in the library under Freemasonry, which needs a cleanup, but there's only so much I can do, in some senses.

>>2638888
>all those 8s

I guess that confirms it only takes 2 to make a cult. I recall in my anthropological studies there being a concept of the "cult of 2" regarding romance, as though romantic endeavors were a fundamental source of religious culture. Can't say that would surprise me that much either

What is the best way to overcome the Qlipoth and break the power of the Shells?

>>2639013
tikkun olam obviously

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Bump for interest

>>2638664
>>2638596

>Wanna meet for coffee sometime and/or run any number of the experiments from the source texts yourself?

I'd like to take you up on that offer. As long as you don't ritually sacrifice me senpai

>>2638684
>>2638724
>>2638755


What do you people have against religious studies?
It's not like OP is claiming any of this to be real, but rather that he is merely sharing documentation that might be of interest, either academic or born from genuine belief, to certain people and that just seems to trigger your autism
Also, stop pretending the material posted isn't useful for ethnographic, sociologic, religiosity, psychological and anthropological research

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>>2638596
I understand that practice is required ti develop the skills need for magic, but, is there a simple experiment you would recommend?

>>2639035
And Iyyun.

>>2639470
Kekism is ahistorical garbage. Worse than Wicca on every single metric.

>>2639490
I'll have to see how I feel ;)

>>2639577
Anything short of abject fuckposting, /pol/ threads, or sucking orthodox penis seems to be an outrage-worthy trespass around here.

Always gives me a giggle, too, because these skepdicks have a rather nasty double standard. They'll ask some batshit tinfoiling half-literate to perform a basic stone age experiment over the internet to verify that the earth is round, but if you suggest to said skepdicks that they do the same, run a reconstructive experiment of this or that rite to verify there may be something more interesting here than "nothing" or "all in your head" they go apoplectic demanding it be proved right here right now on fuckpostchan just like the very tinfoilers they decry as dumbing down the planet.

Beyond that you'd figure the whiners could google a few of the titles themselves to verify this isn't the "new age" aisle at Barnes & Noble....I've actually had to do that a number of times (link to university publisher webpages with the books on them) in early threads on /his/ to convince folks it's on topic.

>claims
Often a spiraling topic. I tend to avoid them, for the reasons outlined through the thread. In any case "real" and "belief" are incredibly modern concepts. See Good's "Medical Anthropology and the Problem of Belief".

>>2639841
Thanks for the bump.

>>2640032
EEEeeeeeeeehh....How simple do you want? Simplest stuff is "psychological model" type shit of the 'affirmation/cleansing/emotion evening/memory game' type.

>>2640209
Cute. Also clever.

>>2639013
>What is the best way to overcome the Qlipoth and break the power of the Shells?
Like, there's a reason I keep telling you assholes to read David Chaim Smith.

Lemme hunt down the latest iteration of the quotes.

These were gathered from DCS's books and online postings:

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>>2640397
The Lamp of Darkness:

Jewish mysticism posits that the ultimate mystery is En (without) Sof (limit), the infinite, which is absolute essential creativity. Theism and nihilism equally reify its living mystery with their respective conceptual stances of affirmation and negation. Although En Sof always escapes the clutches of such conceptualizations, it can be realized in the gnostic sense if its nature is directly recognized and surrendered to completely. In this, the practitioner is consumed, swallowed whole, yet paradoxically stands as the body of all worlds. This vivid paradox is the seal of the creative mystery. It cannot be imprisoned by any world, yet it blazes with the pristine primordial beauty all worlds are based on. This is the secret elixir that frees mind from itself, and uncoils the reflexes that impure the defining boundaries of inner and out, being and nothingness, and sef and other.
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The difficulty is in understanding that En Sof shines forth without ever leaving itself. Since Kabbalistic metaphors rely on unexplained emanation imagery, a serious reexamination is needed. The hishtalshelut (chain of worlds) is presented as a ladder with a linear top and bottom; but this should never be accepted literally. Various models calibrate it differently. Some early schools articulate the sefirot within concentric circles (or 3-D shapes). Later schools offer the concentric model in exchange with the common lineal model. This was meant to offset the problem of directionality, which human beings impute by virtue of habit. However, all of these symbolic models remain imprisoned within the collective habit field until they are recognized as virtues of the mind's essential nature. Until that point, the symbolism will remain mere psychospiritual conjecture.

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>>2640402
Conventionally fixated magicians are often seduced into the dark glamour of the klipot’s temporary illusion of power. This stems from a conventional hunger to dominate and manipulate phenomena and inflate one’s sense of identity in the process. Both the adolescent mage and the fretful religionist share the habit of reifying phenomena. The solution to both is a shift in view. Continually holding to primordial purity mitigates the rigidity of the klipot, but its vividness can still shine through. Through its playful brightness the primordial sparks can break through their mundane shells and be gathered. Holding the gnostic view dissolves their prisons, and breaks them free to enter one’s practice. Facing any kind of phenomena directly and nakedly is spiritual practice. Its strength and disposition is shaped in each moment, and in turn, shapes the meaning of our life.

Once realization ripens, it is only a matter of how stable it remains. The tzadik, or stable realizer, does not fall back into the klipot to reify a subject or an object. The tzadik’s life is the seal of the primordial purity that is the basis of a living gnosis. However this distinction does not imply objective moral status. This represents a decisive break from the view of Judeo-Christian religion and theism in general, which generally holds the klipot as barriers between man from god, thus becoming the mechanisms of ‘evil’. The non-emanationist view neither supports the existence of a barrier or the implied dichotomy of good or evil. These issues are the exclusive domain of religion, and can be a tremendous sidetrack for a contemplator.

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>>2640405
By means of the creation of the world (which is an emanation of the Divine) the Infinite became, as it were, 'contracted' (Tsimtsum) and took on certain attributes of the finite. To this finite belongs the 'darkness' of the first chaos or, in other words, evil. Hence the finite stands at the uttermost extremity of the Divine emanation, i.e. the world. And as it is man's duty to strive after union with the Infinite, his pursuit of the finite leads him to that which lies at the extremity of the Divine nature rather than that which lies at the heart of it. This constitutes evil. It is a state of absence, a negation, because man who, like the universe, is but one of the manifestations of the Divine, can only attain the real when he seeks the Real who is his fount, his home."

The klipot are the thickened echoes of the tzimtzum. Structurally from the perspective of the human realm, they perform a viable function. However the mystic is not satisfied abiding within their limiting structures. The goal of mysticism is to penetrate the shells of every world. This aspiration should not be confused with ordinary goals, which point to a set of destinations at the end of a linear path. The gnostic disposition is a continuous stream of breakthrough, always penetrating deeper and further without end. What the mystic ultimately realizes is that this process never reaches anywhere. Its endlessness is the point. This would be very frustrating and boring from the standpoint of ordinary fixations.

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>>2640408
The klipot (so-called qlipoth) are mere divisive mental barriers, formed by habits of cognitive reification. They gather both personally and collectively, as cognitive obscurations and obstructions build momentum. They are purified by recognizing their essential primordial nature,which rests at the heart of the tzimtzum reflex. This occurs as both simultaneous gnosis as well as the slow unfolding of spiritual transformation, however both share a single ground, which is the basis of the realization as well as that which is realized.

The labyrinth of connections within each divine name offers a radically direct path to the lamp of darkness. The esoteric roots are unlike other symbolic construcs. Through them the open matrix of cretative process is splayed open naked. However, in order for this gnosis to unfuld, the mind must fight through many bariers (klipot) within its habitual momentum. The deeper it goes, the more subtle the opacifying klipot become. The most elusive layers are what Kaplan refers to as 'semi-permiable'. They are exchanges of an incredibly fine resonance, which bear a very delicate yet deadly propensity for reification. Their resonance is so sublte that they often might seem like gnosis itself This is a concealed trap for a few advanced ones who even travel this far.

The three-fold klipot which obstruct burgeoning gnosis are its bones, blood, and flesh. Each creates inner, mediating, and outer aspects of reification. All become permeable as the phenomena becomes a heart-sacrifice. From above and below the blood of space floods the body of space. Anything and everything becomes the sacrificial beast. Its lungs are Saturn and Jupiter. Its kidneys are mars and venus. Its belly and head are sun and moon, which temper and shape the mercury in its heart.

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>>2640412
When we become our own redeemer and deliverer, a self-sacrificial pig messiah, the process of tikkun olam (the repair of the world) begins in earnest. We face the klipot of our resistances head on, to recognize the ubiquitous spark of perfection that displays itself within the disguise of imperfection. The feast of the kosher pig consumes the root of identity and the universe of identification that has been fabricated around it. Its presentational flesh is malkut, called ‘Garden’. The energy of its formative motion is tiferet, called ‘Eden’. Their unifying continuum is the digestion of the feast and its enjoyment, personified by the serpent called Nachash. It seals the motion display as a single continuum that can equally fall into degenerate fiction or rise to the occasion of gnosis. Its undulating frequencies shape every nuance of phenomena.

The sacrificial beast draws the consuming fire forth from the heart of the five organ array. The corners of its quadrisected body split in two. Head and belly are flanked by the left and right kidneys and lungs. From within, a blazing halo emerges to hold the organs in the glow of its own intention, like an altar. Each thought, movement, feeling, and form is such a beast on such an altar. Each presents its organ body splayed in the light of aspiration. All that is needed is a spark from the deep to ignite the glow into the wild abandon of consumption; the spontaneous regenerating self-consumption of standing-in-dissolving.

All klipot are primordially pure from the outset, and serve as the ultimate offering. Impurity is an opinion offered as food. The body of the beast swells with impulses, and its forbidden flesh is eaten with impunity when spontaneously realized as intrinsically pure. Gnostic intoxication is the feast of a kosher pig.

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>>2640416
The fire bellows forth from within. It caresses the beast’s yellowing skin, passes through its red meat, and smolders its white bones. All three are usurped into smoke to fill the blue sky, suffusing the five worlds with the meaning and intention of the sacrifice, each according to its level. The three sides…right, left, and center…are configured as Adam on the right, Chavah on the left, and between them is the enveloping Nachash embracing all equally. Through it the wedding is consummated, and Chavah copulates twice.

Practitioners pass through the precarious junctures by adopting an attitude common in theistic systems. This is the view that absolute knowledge is ungraspable, thus one never meets 'face to face' with “God”. There is no concrete destination that can be reached. This leaves raw aspirations free to mix with pregnat space. Once theistic associations are extracted, the disposition of 'not reaching' remains an effective contemplative method. It naturally adapts to the disposition of phenomena, which are indeed infinite, with no (En) end (Sof), and it prevents subtle reification from coagulating into the most intangible of klipot.

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>>2640421
REACHING BEYOND GOD

The primary catalyst for spiritual growth is the discovery of compassion. In the sense intended here, compassion refers to the primal expansiveness (Chesed) of En Sof, which gives itself freely as infinite variation without ever departing from its primordial essence. From an esoteric perspective this has nothing whatsoever to do with do-gooderism, dogmatic fixed morality, or dualistic codes of rules. It abides in the opening of cognition, to purify the perceptual field into a gnosimic continuum, revealing what is obstructed by the coarseness of habitual reificiation. Cultivating compassion is the antidote to alienating fictions of self and other that reify all klipot.

Who is the doer of a thing? In the language of Zohar, 'who' (50), is code for Binah's gates, which open the responsive spaces of Keter. The question 'who is the doer' is a powerful mantric phrase of inquiry. Gnosis unfolds as the hollow sheslls of idnetity are dissolved, and its momentum mixes, merges, and rests coequal with the womb space of creation.

Wisdom is encoded in the phrase “I am that I am” which poses the divine name of keter as a reflexive equation. It is given in the Torah as Moses inquires before the burning bush not consumed by its enveloping flame. The most common translation is not exactly accurate. AHYH AshR AHYH is better understood as 'I will be that by which I will be', thereby stressing the meeting point of potentiality with its capacity to manifest anything.

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>>2640432
The phrase pinpoints the precise intersection of the mirror of mind as it reflects itself. The first AHYH represents an open capacity to reflect. The second represents reflected variation. They are a true unity, thus posit wholeness in the aspect of 'front' and 'back'. The phrases poses a continuum in which beginning and end are equalized by the balance point at their heart. This is the nexus of the fire of self-consumption, which is a thrust beyond coming into being or passing away, thus 'the bush was not consumed'.
AshR has a value of 501. Its gematria equates with the word TMVNH (Ex. 20:4), which means 'in a manner of likeness'. This poses the magical continuum again, like a mirror. The manner of likeness the worlds assume is a result of how their motion display is apprehended. If one inquires to penetrate the automaton reflex of the status quo, artificial constructs begin to melt away.

More hidden layers can be unfolded letter by letter. Alef is absolute wholeness set within the paradox of unity. This is illustrated by the letter's graphic form, in which two yuds (above and below) are poised with a vav between them. This alludes to the structure of BeYeA (Briah, yetzirah, assiah), which pose the upper and lower aspects of Sechinah (correpsonding to the two hehs, or binah and malkut). In the standard tree diagram, they balance above and below the middle six sefirot (vav). All of these arrangements suggest a mirror. When alef is esoterically converted into the coded sequence YVY, the implication is that the seeds of Atik the father (yud/Y) equalizes 'before' and 'after' the expression of its energetic motion, which is Zer Anpin (the Son). As “The Fountain of Wisdom” states: Alef is never less than two.

Thus, the scales rest in balance.

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>>2640438
Alef as YVY equals 26, which is the gematria of YHVH. Keter is called Alef, because it is the first sefirah. Thus, through that number, keter (alef as 26) connects to tifaret (YHVH). In this connection, the king passes down the crown to his son without diminishment. This represents the pure cognizance (yechida/chaya) extending as the perceptual motion of variation (ruach).AHYH is a set of scales in balance. Both formulas of HYH and YVY reflect and balance each other, as a reflection reflecting itself. This mirror presents as its reflection from any point of view, like a hand that shapes itself, and a seed that displays its own womb. Thus, within AHYH, the secret pivot can be recognized, and binding to it allows 'that by which' to return phenomena to the single root from which both trees grow. Through this unified root, all things bask in the question 'what is meaning in itself?'. The space of the question exudes fathomless beatuy, regardless of the aesthetic or moral implications to which it becomes appended. This is a reflection of 'that by which' En Sof opens. Reductive mechanistic understanding cannot reproduce it. It is where wisdom overlaps convention, and where mystery outshines the ordinary.

Beyond success and failure, beauty cannot be imprisoned within experience, but paradoxically, it cannot happen elsewhere.

Take the chance on overcoming death by negation of birth. Shed your markers, identity, and self esteem. Walk upright, as no-one, nowhere, vividly delighting in the reflected feasts of frequencies.

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>>2640443
From the Adeptus Minor material:

This, then, is the task to be undertaken by the Adeptus Minor. To expel from the Sephiroth of the Nephesch the usurpation by the evil Sephiroth; to balance the action of the Sephiroth of the Ruach in those of the Nephesch. To prevent the Lower Will and Human Consciousness from falling into and usurping the place of the Automatic Consciousness. To render the King of the Body, the Lower Will, obedient to and anxious to execute the commands of the Higher Will, that he be neither a usurper of the faculties of the Higher, nor a sensual despot, but an Initiated Ruler, and an annointed King, the Viceroy and representative of the Higher Will, because inspired thereby, in his Kingdom which is man. Then shall it happen that the Higher Will, i.e., the Lower Genius, shall descend into the Royal Habitation, so that the Higher Will and the Lower Will shall be as one, and the Higher Genius shall descend into the Kether of the Man, bringing with him the tremendous illumination of his Angelic Nature. And the Man shall become what is said of Enoch. “And Chanokh made himself to walk with God, and he was not, for God took him.” (Genesis, V.v. 24.) Then also this shalt thou know, that the Nephesch of the Man shall become as the Genius of the Evil Persona, so that the evil persona itself shall be as the power of the Divine in the Qlippoth, as it is said: “Whither shall I go from thy Spirit, or whither from thy Presence shall I flee? If I ascend up to Heaven, thou art there. If I make my bed in Hell, behold thou art there.” (Ps. Cxxxix.)

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>>2640447
Therefore even the Evil Persona is not so evil when it fulfilleth its work. For it is the beginner of a dim reflection of the Light unto the Qlippoth, and this is what is hidden in the saying that “Typhon is the brother of Osiris.” Hear thou, then, a mystery of the knowledge of evil. The Ritual of the Adeptus Minor saith that even the “Evil helpeth forward the Good.” When the evil Sephiroth are expelled from the Nephesch into the evil Persona, they are, in a sense, equilibriated therein. The evil persona can be rendered as a great and strong, yet trained, animal whereupon the man rideth, and it then becometh a strength unto his physical base of action. This Mystery shalt thou keep from the knowledge of the First Order, and still more from that of the Outer World, that is as a formula, seeing that is a dangerous secret. Now then shalt thou begin to understand the saying “He descended into Hell,” and also to comprehend in part this strength, and thus begin to understand the necessity of evil unto the material creation. Wherefore, also, revile not overmuch the evil forces, for they have also a place and a duty, and in this consisteth their right to be. But check their usurpation, and cast them down unto their plane. Unto this end, curse them by the mighty names if need be, but thou shalt not revile them for their condition, for thus also shalt thou be led into error. There is also a great mystery that the Adeptus Minor must know. How the spiritual consciousness can act around and beyond the sphere of Sensation.

“Thought” is a mighty force when projected with all the strength of the lower Will under the guidance of the reasoning faculty and illuminated by the Higher Will. Therefore, it is that, in thy occult working, thou art advised to invoke the divine and Angelic Names, so that thy Lower Will may willingly receive the influx of the Higher Will, which is also the Lower Genius behind which are the all-potent forces.

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>>2640452
This, therefore, is the magical manner of operation of the Initiate when “skrying” in the spirit vision. Through his own arcane wisdom, he knows the disposition and correspondences of the Forces of the Macrocosmos. Selecting not many, but one symbol, and that balanced and with its correlatives, then sendeth he a thought-ray from his Spiritual Consciousness, illuminated by his Higher Will, directly unto the part of his Sphere of Sensation which is consonant with the symbol employed. There, as in a mirror, doth he perceive its properties as reflected from the Macrocosmos, shining forth into the Infinite Abyss of the Heavens.

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>>2640457
Thence can he follow the ray of reflection therefrom, and while concentrating his united consciousness at that point of his sphere of sensation, can receive the direct reflection of the ray from the Macroscosmos. Thus receiving the direct ray as then reflected into his Thought, he can unite himself with the ray of his Thought so as to make one continuous ray from the corresponding point of the Macrocosmos unto the centre of his consciousness. If, instead of concentrating at the actual point of the sphere of Sensation he shall retain the thought-ray only touching the sphere of sensation at that point, he shall, it is true, perceive the reflection of the Macrocosmic Ray answering to that symbol in the sphere of his Consciousness. But he shall receive this reflection tinctured much by his own nature, and therefore to an extent untrue, because his united conciousnesses have not been able to focus along the thought-ray at the circumference of the Sphere of sensation. And this is the reason why there are so many and multifarious errors in untrained spirit visions. For the untrained seer, even supposing him free from the delusions of obsession, doth not know or understand how to unite his consciousnesses and the harmonies between his own sphere of sensation, and the universe, the Macrocosmos. Therefore is it so necessary that the Adeptus Minor should correctly understand the principia and axiomata of our secret knowledge, which are contained in our Rituals and Lectures.

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So much falsehood and bullshit ITT
Philosophy is the pillar of magic.
Start thinking.

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>>2640465
I dig Levinas, Bataille, Merleau-Ponty, Schiller, Schelling, Abhinavagupta, and Schelling.

Who do you enjoy, anon?

I've got a Philosophy folder under A.'.A.'. that covers some super basic philosophy relevant to Western esoterica plus some of the stuff I liked and think is relevant.

>>2640485
>Schelling
Fucking paste.

Anyhow, much of Crowley's philosophy of Will comes down through Nietzsche, Schope, and Schelling.

>>2640485

I've used to enjoy Schopenhauer greatly but I'm past him now.
Same goes for Nietzsche.

>>2640432
>'who is the doer'
Huh, this reminds me of Hui-neng's words:

Bodhi is originally without any tree;
The bright mirror is also not a stand.
Originally there is not a single thing —
Where could any dust be attracted?

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>>2636838
Hey Ape do you have any views/advice/information regarding the Subs Schools of Tibetan Buddhism ive only heard real general stuff like Ningma is more mystical and Gueleg is more legalistic ect.

Also any interesting contemporary cults youve come accross (1980s onward)

>>2640526
>I've used to enjoy Schopenhauer greatly but I'm past him now.
Many of us are; which makes people stuck into them so much more strange.

We've also come a long way since Crowley's death.

>>2640573
Quite.

>>2640575
Kagyu for devotion and phenomenology.
Nyingma for mystical historicity.
Gelug for full blown orthodoxy.
I dunno much about Sakya other than they've got more ties to late Indian tantra.

Bump?

>>2641316
Thanks, I'll be home from work soonish.

>>2636838
Thanks

>>2641640
You're very welcome mate.

I'm seeing a couple threads with mystical topics; but no bump in /omg/.

>So bump.

>>2638070
You should open up donations so you could buy more space, I'd happily donate a reasonable amount of money

(You've already saved me thousands of dollars)

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>>2642168
hey Ape, just want you to know that i appreciate your threads

t-that is all i want to say

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>>2642345
I've saved you hundreds of thousands of dollars actually.

1) No advertising here.
2) I can't use a online donation vehicle to fund quasi-illicit activities.

>>2642354
I appreciate bumps and replies :3

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Good Lord, this is a goldmine.

Would there be any unforeseen consequences of performing the Hallowing outside the context of the Crooked Path?

>be in the midst of a two day opiate binge
>meditate on the nature of "that which goes without going" on a park bench while I let the Sun shine on my skin
>have a moment of total bliss, see a sigil appear in my inner vision
>open my eyes to see a bunch of concerned parents looking at me because I'm a junkie that passed out on a park bench

Welp

>>2640793
>We've also come a long way since Crowley's death.

Do you mean that there is a more developed philosophical or mystical conception of Will than Thelema?

>>2642564
Which version?

By the time you get to the third iteration you literally cannot extricate it from the Sabbatic praxis.

But the FIRST iteration can honestly be used as an all purpose banishing along with the gestures used in the Rite of the Turnskin.

>>2642594
Maybe lay off the smack bro.
But for real opioids can get into strange territory. One time I ate some suboxone and it triggered a DMT flashback.

>>2642619
Um, sorta not really? Bataille comes close:
“A man who finds himself among others is irritated because he does not know why he is not one of the others.

In bed next to a girl he loves, he forgets that he does not know why he is himself instead of the body he touches.

Without knowing it, he suffers from the mental darkness that keeps him from screaming that he himself is the girl who forgets his presence while shuddering in his arms.”
― Georges Bataille, The Solar Anus

>>2642639
What are you doing to celebrate the glory of Ra-Hoor-Khu today Ape?

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>>2642564
Also:
>I don't think that page was supposed to be public
Fuck.

Oh well, I obviously fucked that one up.

Enjoy the initiatory mudras, world.

>>2642664
Homework.
>Also, you're very late.
>The original editions of Equinox of the Gods list the dates of reception as Apr 1, 2, and 3.
>OS 23 has been permanently redacted so we can't find the real actual date of reception.

>>2642639
Is it really a banishing? I thought the formula for CS clearing space is less "banish that which goes against my Will" and more "banish not and let all re-align under my Will"

>>2642639
I was talking mostly about the first iteration as a warm up to sabbatic mysteries. Coming straight from entry level vajrayana with a faint memory of an edgy wytcha phase and not much theory or practice aside from browsing A.A. docs and a fuck ton of myth and history is rough.

Oops, fix'd.

>>2642677
Pink Moon tonight, there is that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbWMvQwroo

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>>2642687
Oh my sweet summer childe.

You're establishing the Circles of Wytchfire.
You're putting the Stars in a circle around you.
You're evoking 16 protective Godforms.
It's the first step of the Pupil in the Skull of the SHUA practice.

>>2642701
Tomorrow will be my main Lunar practice.

>>2642564
>>2642677
Now thassa spicy meatball

>>2642720
This is probably a dumb question but does there come a point where one is able to "read" illustrations like that, maybe after studying Enochian and all the Aats?

>>2642720
Is "I" pronounced eye or í

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>>2642720
>Mfw I zoom in all the way on the Iris

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>>2642740
The Aats appear to be entirely mystical formulae, and not particularly "linguistic" if you try to sit there with pen and paper to transliterate them.

>>2642769
For the Rite of the Black Sun/Draconian Oracle, it's "I" as in "I am that I am".

You should accent the shit out of IA's pronunciation though.

>Cthulhu Fhtagn

>>2642809
So it's like "Eyy-a"

>>2642820
You can probably also dipthong the hell out of it for an "a" in transition: "Ay-ah" or other variations thereon; "Eye-ah" "Ouiya".

Tinker with it. Find the vibe that clicks.

Who is the best currently living occultist in the entire world?

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>>2642831
>>2642831
I worked in a chinese restaurant for a month and dropped a lot of glassware, I think I've got this.

>>2642855
Ape is the best at shitposting, and shitposting is the cornerstone of occultism and academia.

>>2638825
Nigga, I used to use just seeds, and 'wash' them with grapefruit juice. About 1.5 lbs and 750 ml, respectively.

>>2642564
>>2642677

Didn't you already post those mudras in /omg/ last year?

>>2642677
Didn't Crowley himself claim 8th 9th 10th in Spirit of Solitude? Also, for Resh, we're supposed to be altering what time we do it gradually so we're doing it as close to the actual 'positions of the sun' as possible, are we not? Thanks.

>>2642945
>Nigga, I used to use just seeds, and 'wash' them with grapefruit juice. About 1.5 lbs and 750 ml, respectively.
>implying that's NOT the plan

>>2642957
I thought I only posted one of the pages, and not that one.

>>2642987
>doing it as close to the actual 'positions of the sun' as possible
Yes.

>>2643012
Well, I know there are other ways to utilize the pods... I mean, back before my addiction got super serious and graduated back into more serious types of opiates, I just bought seeds bulk and washed the shit out of em. Sometimes eve used everclear or whatever solvent was available, strained, then evaporated...then profited, of course. Not financially though.

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>>2642363
>>2642345

Pffft.
Puhlease.
I've told him I would buy him more space for nothing in return - he has my email.
If he wanted help, he would have asked by now.
That topic is an exercise in futility I think.

>>2643057
>That topic is an exercise in futility I think.
I-I don't like taking help ;_;

https://youtu.be/an9USVRBAN4

>>2643093
How much is your tuition?

>>2640793
Thanks for your answers here; what is meant by full blown orthodoxy?

>>2643127
Catholic spectacle and mystery.

>>2643093
>93
>I'm a big strong Thelemic witch-Ape and I don't need no man

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>>2643146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYIpa1Ulvw

Annnd, I just dated myself a little bit.

Wow...I've been checking out some threads over here... apparently /his/ threads have as much inbred autism as /b/ and /x/ (and /pol/ before the diaspora)

>>2643218
>dating yourself
I've stopped caring. The kiddos dunno what they were missing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1oQglI7WHc

>>2643385
Yeah this place was nice for like three months.

>>2643218
Maybe if you were willing to give lessons in how to date oneself, we wouldn't be getting so many lonely virgins in /x/ asking how 2 summon suckbus, today! ;-)

http://www.ritmanlibrary.com/2012/12/gustav-meyrink-and-the-rosicrucians/

>>2643609
http://www.holybooks.com/compendium-rarissimum/

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Is there anything in the DBoE not made of, or containing semen?

>>2643689
As far as ritual perishable ritual supplies go?
Nope.

>>2643724
I mean it certainly saves a lot of money to spend on skulls and peacock feathers. If only there were a more urban-friendly variant to finding a quiet stretch of woods 7 times a year.

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>>2643724
The more I read, the more ridiculous it gets. Qayin is lumiel is azrael is the horned one is mahazael is azdeha. Ku-La is what it says on the can, only with variations on a theme of of luciferian gnosis. No one involved has anything to do with it anymore. This is, without a doubt the edgiest thing I have ever come across and you are a massive fucking edgelord for carrying it out. It is so edgy it recommends going to church.

I kinda really want in next year.

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>>2643786
>Qayin is lumiel is azrael
Hypostates duder.

>Ku-La is what it says on the can
Yeah, I know, it's cute, particularly the bit about flowers and tridents.

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>>2636838

I'm more inclined to the psychological & philosophical understanding of the occult, i.e. I highly doubt any of the metaphysical implications.

You seem convinced, though. But why? Has any of this bore any spooky fruits?

>>2643876
Try actually believing and see what happens

>>2643900
So I'm supposed to let go of all of my critical faculties and fully trust in some enigmatic, seemingly arbitrary ritual/practice and all of the supposed magical events will occur? Sounds a bit deluded doesn't it?

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>>2643818
>hypostates
Of fallen angel jesus acting as the nexus for tapping into the quintessence.

I'm about to play mad-libs and make my own current. Mahamudra as transmitted through the metaphor of spiritual pederasty with the atavistic yogi via a syncretization of lucifer and akashagharba with praxes focused on dream incubation. Throw in Exu for flavor, crossroads mysteries and divine possession.

>>2643931
You want in on some fresh? I don't even know what's going to happen.

>>2643931
>let go of all of my critical faculties
Not yet.

Yes to everything else.

>THE BLIND WEBSTER

It is not necessary to understand; it is enough to
adore.
The god may be of clay: adore him; he becomes
GOD.
We ignore what created us; we adore what we create.
Let us create nothing but GOD!
That which causes us to create is our true father and
mother; we create in our own image, which is theirs.
Let us create therefore without fear; for we can
create nothing that is not GOD.
~Crowley, Liber 333

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95A1jDwX_8

>>2643942
>Of fallen angel jesus acting as the nexus for tapping into the quintessence.
Remember: You are the maiden that baits the Sons of God.
Open your ass, and your heart and mind shall follow.

>>2643942
That lion has a vulva where it's mouth should be. What a weird chimera.

>>2643955
What's a good intro to the idea of hypostates? I feel like my thinking isn't flexible enough

>>2643974
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prak%E1%B9%9Bti

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_(philosophy_and_religion)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition

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>>2643955
>Belief as a tool" and "It doesn't matter what you believe, just believe" - I have seen this approach before, and I think I understand the aim: to open the overly-skeptic initiate up to the possibility of results. But initiates on the path are most likely bogged down with layers and layers of unhelpful beliefs that should be questioned and most likely left behind, and my instinct is to warn initiates that belief is baggage, belief is debris. If the initiate is hampered by ill-adjusted skepticism, she might note that it is ill-adjusted precisely because of belief that is getting in the way of basic healthy skepticism, i.e. "I don't think anything will happen when I perform this ritual" is a belief-obstacle, so in this instance belief is not acting as a helpful tool, and healthier skepticism, not more belief is the prescription

>>2643955
I understand all of that. I still see no ''real magic'' there.

>I'm more inclined to the psychological & philosophical understanding of the occult, i.e. I highly doubt any of the metaphysical implications.

^From my initial post. Anyway; I have spoken to people who do rituals and evocations, and so on. And in every case there is nothing but magical thinking and ''slight oddities'', e.g. flickering candles, synchronicity, odd dreams... never any valid evidence for the practice actually manifesting a demon or something.

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>>2644036
Interestingly enough, there are people with 20+ years experience with the occult who hold the same view

>>2644031
I don't disagree with anything here.
You only get anywhere (nowhere, that is) when the reification stops.

But this is a deconstructive and trial/error process.

"SKIDOO

What man is at ease in his Inn?
Get out.
Wide is the world and cold.
Get out.
Thou hast become an in-itiate.
Get out.
But thou canst not get out by the way thou camest in.
The Way out is THE WAY.
Get out.
For OUT is Love and Wisdom and Power.
Get OUT.
If thou hast T already, first get UT.
Then get O.
And so at last get OUT."
~Crowley, L 333

>>2644036
K.

>>2644051
As me or as the description of the practitioners I have mentioned?

>>2644062
>K.
Hey I just want to know more. Seems to me it's all in the psyche. And there is never any evidence (relating to 'real magic') that doesn't crumble under close inspection, at least from my experience.

>>2644062
Admittedly that anon was asking for stories of times it has worked, which is much more an /x/ discussion than a /his/ one.

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>>2644115
>Seems to me it's all in the psyche
K.
I'm not here to convince you of anything mate.

>>2644117
I mean, sorta.

>>2644128
>he posted it again

Time to take a shot

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Is the moon animate?

>>2644136
It literally *never* stops being relevant.

Has anyone convincing the rpstoval puzzle in the Book of the Law?

>>2644150
In a sense, happy pink moon

>>2645280
>>2645004
Thanks for the bumps.

Maybe you lads can help me out since /his/ just ignored my thread a couple of days ago


>How is gnosis achieved? Is it achieved only through some divine revelation? Or is it achieved through study?
If it is achieved through study, what am I meant to study? Do I study this world, the divine, or both?

Thanks t b h

>>2645539
>How is gnosis achieved
In Chaos magick it's a shorthand word for deep trance or dharana/dhyana. Just short of Samadhi.

>divine revelation
Sorta; it's a matter of personal apprehension of Christ in the "Gnostic" systems (Gnostic is almost a weasel word, it describes dozens of divergent doctrines).

Thumb through Gospel of Thomas and Thunder: Perfect Mind, if you're going historical. Any given yoga manual if you're going Chaos (Shiva Samhita, Hathayoga, Raja Yoga).

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>>2645562
Thanks.
More interested in the historical version (demiurge, monad and all that) than the trance idea.

I've always felt that if there is a god or anything divine, the only I'll get to know him is through knowledge rather than faith i.e gnosis before pistis.

I'll have a look through those recommendations tomorrow.

>>2644115

Magic is something you do.

The only claim we make is that, if you do this, the result will be this or something similar. The only meaningful way to address such a claim is try it yourself.

>>2645578

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/207342.How_to_Know_God

>>2644250
IDK, do you sentence, anon?

>>2645399
Ape, I'm wondering if there is any historical basis for what the anon is describing in >>>18881492
at the very bottom of the post? I don't know much about this stuff, but they seemed to be misusing basic terminology earlier on in the thread so it makes me wonder...and I'm not sure what sources to reference to check on my own...thanks in advance if you get to my question!

>>2646389

Hopefully this works, I guess it doesn't let you link across boards

>>>/x/
>>>18881084 (thread)
>>>18881492 (post)

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RE: CS self-initiation
>There is a ritual for self initiation into the cultus. It involves “a moss surounded hole” and another lady with a red hat with white stars on it.
Probably hearsay but sounds traditional as can be.

>>2646396
You can but you use the whole url these days and it autmatically converts to the shortened backlink.

The guy sounds like he's full of horseshit.

If he thinks that sexual magick ended in "Ancient fucking Assyria" then he needs more of that "formal education in magick".

>>2647123
That does NOT sound like the text listed in my Helen Oliver catalog:

>Rite of Sabbatick Empowerment for Those who seek Attainment on the Crooked Path being the Consecration of the Seeker: The Ritual of meeting the Eye of the Aspirant and opening the Way into the Crooked path.16 sheets, printed on one side, first paragraph reads: "This ritual text is here set forth as the Ceremony of Initiation into the Magical Lineage of the Serpent Cross. It was first bestowed in dreaming vision by Draku Ezhu, our Hidden Intercessor, and is hereafter offered to all Aspirants by the Will of the Magister Alogos Dhu'l-Qarnen Khidir. May it serve to accomplish the Mind-to-Mind Transmission of the Magical Quintessence and open the Way for all who seek entry into the Crooked Path". Probably the ritual text utilized at the Oxford Thelemic Symposium in Oct. 96.

>>2647176
It was from lashtal in a thread with a bunch of copyrightcucks arguing about whether CS was riding the coattails of thelema when they hadn't even read any of it. I had forgotten why I never go there.

>>2647184
>LAShTAL
Into the trash it goes.

>>2647125
Ahh thanks for the tip...yeah I was thinking, 'why have these invaluable secrets been entrusted only to you, oh wise one?' the more I saw the more I was thinking he's the same LARPer who claimed to work for big corporations writing computer programs to summon billions of microbe-like entities and yadda yadda. I guess I just expect more from this place than there is, so I *try* to suspend disbelief.

>>2647391
Does CS have a "remote initiation" tradition? Why does that constellation look red to me in the night sky now? Or I guess more specifically red at the head with purple further down to the tail

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>mfw we are all in a constant state of hypostasis between monad and diffracted shell state

>>2647522
>Why does that constellation look red to me in the night sky now?
Because if you're gating into the system the first point of entry after Hieros Gamos and the Rite of the Draconian Oracle is HU which is tied to the color red and in some senses the associated practices are an elaboration on ThROA/Pyramidos.

>red at the head
HU is tied to the Eyes of the Dragon.

>down to the tail
The legs of the Dragon are tied to HUA which is an indigo verging on violet.

>>2647633
Them's the kicks.

>>2647684
Is the DBoE missing page 289 in the Rite of SA or do I have an old upload?

>>2647684
Interdasting. I'm trying to connect the colors to the scales on 777 but I'm not having much luck.

You sure are getting a lot of people in CS, do you think you're taking a risk by doing this? As far as I can tell the Dragon is fully capable of concealing itself but I get paranoid about being loose lipped with esoteric knowledge

>>2647810
The joy of the DBoE is that it is incomprehensible gibberish unless you have the will to grind through it and do your homework and that azdeha will fuck you up if you don't see it through. It is its own selection process.

Personally, I'm at least a year off from even thinking about attempting it.

>>2647723
It's missing but I can try to scan it if I get the chance soon.

It's literally just an elaboration on the themes of the previous star-point. I did a decent reconstruction of it in the field before I had my own copy.

>do you think you're taking a risk by doing this
No. And fuck 'em if they don't like it.
Not my fault they published their main column of Work.

>>2647832
Hieros Gamos starts November 18th.

prove to me that occultism and "magick" isnt all a load of paranoid fantasy nonsense

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>>2648052
I think we've already been over this a few times ITT.
>>2638715
>I'm not posting to prove anything to anyone, or convert anyone to anything.
The last thing I need around is someone who can be converted by mere WORDS.

>>2638523
Learning about the beliefs and rituals of people around the world is History & Humanities.

>>2648042
The next year would involve doing the whole thing in the astral between funds and travel. I'd rather shore up current praxes and give it my all. Also save up enough crusted semen for all materials.

>>2648062
You ever get ANY results from your rituals?

what is an occult 'practitioner'? someone who dresses up in a wizard outfit in a dark room and sits in a circle of candles whilst reading fantasy books?

>>2648139
Everyone but white Protestants.

>>2648042
Hieros Gamos starts November 18th

Just after my birthday. Lucky me

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>>2648131
Yes.
Again I have 11 volumes plus of detailed ritual records.
Shitpostchan isn't exactly a conducive medium of proof verifications.

>>2648139
By strict definition of the word, anyone who practices "hidden" or "occulted" rites, magical and/or mystical, that aren't widely known or approved.

>/x/ has dumber posters who tend to be mentally unstable, but fewer outright trolls

>/his/ is full of buttfrustrated Christ-tards and "New Atheists" but also more intelligent experienced practitioners who ask interesting questions

>>2648139
Well, you have a wide spectrum of people there. Ranging from autistic neophiles to wiccan tier goobers.

>>2648062
It's like nobody reads the thread before ass-posting.

>>2648154
Personal ritual records? Where are they in the mega library, if they are there?

>>2648154
Does it bother you that people who post here tend not to be as dedicated or experienced as you? I can't imagine spending all day answering questions that from my perspective seem to be genuinely stupid.

>>2648062
BTW
HAHAHAHA (your pic related)

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>>2648159
To be blunt, the vast majority of interesting discourse in these threads comes from /x/ regulars stopping and and interacting with my more detailed/well cited threads.

"Babby's first" questions are gonna sound like ass no matter how educated the person asking them.

Not a defense of /x/...there's a reason I like posting on /his/.

If I didn't think these threads would be bigger trollbait on this board I'd move over here full time.

/x/ needs competent posters tho.
Like...badly.
That's what the library's trying to address.

>>2648166
>implying anyone with a lick of sense would ever post their ritual records on shitpostchan

Especially that goober Ape who has a prediliction towards cursing people

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>>2648166
>scanning my records for public consumption
Yeah, no, let's wait until I've Attained and/or died for that'n.

>>2648163
So you really expect better on fuckpostchan?

>>2648167
I mean...who else is gonna do it?
Also, you gotta remember, there are no stupid questions.
>Only stupid *people*.

>>2648169
Is there any particular reason you don't just start a private forum with the more advanced practitioners from the /x/ threads?

>>2648159
Yeah, wtf is up with militant atheism anyway? I mean, I'm down to watch someone get Hitch-slapped any time of day or night, but this is getting ridiculous.

>>2648186
There's like 6 of us and I hate skype groups.

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>>2648175
Fun fact, that was the first total stranger I'd operated against in, like, a decade.
I'm usually really fuckin' conservative about claims and threats and such.

But Chiron can lick my ballsack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA4RaPs3j9w

>>2648190
I long to be in a society where people are intelligent enough to know that Sam Harris is a fucking worthless fraud. What's the point of despising religion when your ideology permits you to indulge in groupthink from people like him?

If I was interested in the history of the occult and main tenants of the major belief systems, where would I start? Your library is very daunting.

>>2648197
Wait if this is Chiron, who is in the pic that ppl post that says, like, "facial hair to cover up erosion from years of alcoholism" and all that stuff?

>>2648197
I mean that particular thread was more educational than anything else you've ever posted about DBoE but still, I would never have done that so publicly. Even if that dude is a shitty wife beater

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>>2648194
>>2648186
That also doesn't work too well when someone decides to get high af on the crackpipe of Ego.

>>2648190
Hell, I consider myself an empirical skeptic bordering on rationalism.
Materialist positivist? Not so much.

>>2648205
Probably in the Euro folder's academic texts.

>>2648208
Chiron.
His "selfies" are fucking years out of date compared to the vids he posted on YT where he looks like that guy who plays billiards at the local dive bar trying to maliciously spread their VD because of deeply sublimated sexual spite.

>>2648230
(forgot my tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezuwo2mbIM )

>>2648194
We could start a discord, althuough I guess Ape is right that that is basically begging for Egos to get in the way of progress

>>2648254
I don't want to get to know any of your personally. Reading all the tripfags' cringy facebooks was bad enough.

>>2648222
There was a reason for doing it that way...possibly two or more reasons...the main one being a word that escapes me right now but begins with the letter "A" I believe...unless that escaped me too.

>>2648197
Who the fuck is that nigger?

>>2648265
People used to post their Facebooks here? I'd literally rather shoot my dick off than share my Facebook on 4chan

>>2648277
One ego got too big.

>>2648202
>that Sam Harris is a fucking worthless fraud
In what way?

>>2648230
What shit does he post there? Also, I've been trying to find peoples personal vids of themselves doing like, LBRP and the like, so I can send them to people who are having difficulty reconstructing from whatever source they are using, and MAN there are some terrible vids out there...does everyone just record themselves doing Rite X ten minutes after learning it? One guy was actually reading from Middle Pillar IN the video, and was *still* not following the fairly simple directions Regardie gives.

>>2648329
>"There's nothing interesting in Western eosterica."
>"Let me tell you all about the phenomenology of buddhist yoga and compassion for all sentient beings."
>"except those filthy mudlsimes, they can all get bombed back to the stoneage, zozzle"

>>2648344
I've never ever found an video on the occult even remotely useful, Billy Brujo is often entertaining but that's about it. It's best to just do the rituals yourself and refine them over time until you know what you're doing

>>2648360
>Billy Brujo
Also a genuinely nice cat from my interactions with the man.

>>2648367
I always got that vibe. Nice to see occultists with a sense of humor about themselves

>36 unique posters

That's enough to start a cult. I suggest we go someplace tropical, desert cults are overrated imo

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>>2648441
As long as rustic tobacco, B. caapi, and Mimiosa hostilis grow there we're set.

>Lord Macaw, here I come!

>>2648453
I had my eye on a plot of land in Guyana that's been on the market for a while. Dirt cheap, too.

>>2648464
Don't tell me these things.
Not now, man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Q-GtBtiu8

>>2648477
>>2648464
http://alexanderlozada.com/iasip/?RnJhdGVyIEsgZ2V0cyBwb2lzb25lZCBieSB0aGUga2FuYWltYQ==

>>2648492
https://youtu.be/96eweKcVJgg

>>2648453
Are you actually gonna initiate into the Macaw vampire cult at the same time you're doing your "Year and a Day?"

You are one mad lad

>>2648561
I mean one of the main clan songs is in the book and you learn the other from going to watch the blood-parents try to calm the screeching bastard hybrid.

Of course I know jack and shit about the Warao language, which I should fix.

Seems easier to self initiate to than Kanaima which requires acts so reprehensible that I wouldn't even risk it in a remote third world nation.

>>2648593
>Kanaima

Also the "grave goo" we have in the west is most definitely tainted because we practice the strange tradition of pumping our dead chock full of preservatives before we place them in the ground.

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>>2648610
It's really one of the few traditions I can't conceptualize a coherent workaround for.

Truly the pinnacle of black magick.

>>2648630
Yeah, while my "True Will" often leads me to do transgressive things there is a definitive limit. Although CS has a lot of vague hints about "Sacrifice", especially Shulke, who seems to suggest that anything you are attached to could be a worthy offering to the Gods. Makes me wonder what he does in his spare time

Wow there sure are a lot of Memelords on 4chan who converted to Zoroastrianism. I guess it's a better Meme religion than the re constructionist "I'm a real White Boi" /pol/ style paganism

>>2648654
>Makes me wonder what he does in his spare time
Literally watch Godzilla flicks and truck around the Bay Area occult community.

I'm sure he does the Work, but he's a film school artfag, and I'm almost certain he's responsible for the CS tracks from the ambient noise band too.

>>2648672
>Bay Area occult community

I wish I had anything like that near me. So much actual Work being done, so much bizarre Magickal Palace intrigue

Ape I'm assuming that I should not do any of the "serious" CS practices like Stellar Transvokation or Dark Moon rites without doing the midwinter rite first, but do you think it would be bad to synthesize smaller practices (backwards prayer of the intercessor etc) into my activities right now? I really want to do Aza-Hu but it seems pretty explicit about only doing that in the presence of your Vessel

>>2648730
If I remember correctly, https://web.archive.org/web/20140509040809/http://xoanon.co.uk/a-few-words-upon-draconian-praxis

>And for those who are serious about engaging with it, before the inception of the ritual Dragon Year with the Rite of Ka, I suggest that they first practice, for no less than a period of three months, the ‘Hallowing the Kingdom of Qayin’ praxis. This will cement a solid foundation and basic understanding of the structure of Draconian Praxis and prepare the individual for fuller immersion in the Current.

>A second and supplementary practice which should be performed prior to the engagement of Ka, are the calls of the Stellar Transvocation.

>>2648730
Huh, so Robert Fitzgerald actually recommends performing the Hallowing and Stellar Transvocation for a few months before beginning KA to prepare.

>>2648753
>Transvokation*

>>2648761
That's an old backquote from GD when he first stumbled on the now redacted article here >>2648740:

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/16982915/#16998527

>(Update #23)
Jesus.

>>2648740
>>2648753
That's very helpful thanks

I keep looking up at the sky and "feeling" like I should do the Stellar Transvocation even though I don't really know the ritual at all

>>2648770
>Go to your ritual space.
>Perform Hallowing in the way you know how.
>Compose theyself to thy seat.
>Recite the Pact of Blood and Starlight with the individual star slipped in, using the mantic formulae as needed.
>Eyeball the star if possible.
>"Pull" the sidereal energies down from the Nail Serpent.
>Each Star of the Body of Azhdeha will correlate with one particular power of magick/sorcery to be obtained, cultivated, and mastered.
>Some of this will entail visionary shit.
>Visualize yourself through the day working the power of that part of the Body when that part of the body.

Tomorrow would be a great time to start as that's gonna be on the tail moving backward through all stars until the New Moon at which point you'd be doing the full Black Moon rite and Vessel feeding, as well a full recitation of the whole Body, but you can just do the recitation of the whole Body.

If this shit is real then way has no one recorded it?
EXACTLY
X
A
C
T
L
Y

>>2648784
>Kabbalah: A Neurocognitive Approach to Mystical Experiences

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>>2648154
>nods
Eleven..... huh.
>rolls eyes and tosses out half used steno pad.

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>>2648782
>mfw I can see Draco from my ritual working space

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>>2648790

>>2648782
>when USING that part of the body

Oh Azh'deha!
O Thou Ancient Dragon of the Starry Abyss, who art the power beyond all that is Named, and the Primal Uncoiling of I.

From the Wrong of the Beginning through the Great Years of Existences down to this crystalline point of time in communion with the Timelessness of Thee, O Azh'deha, I summon the power of thy [body part] to hereby establish the Celestial Palace, the Secret Temple, and the Infernal Necropolis wherein the Tripartite radiance of [star name] may be enthroned and lit!

By Transvocation of the Star Within and the Star Beyond, let the single flame of our Union be kindled and the Fires of Enchantment ignite! Let the colmn of the Dragon's Brood enflesh among men.

So mote it be.

Unto us, the unveiling of Thy mysteries.
Unto us, the revelation of Apophasian Gnosis.
Unto us, open the Way of the Crook'd Path!

Beyond the threshold of the great dominions, and beyond the great domains of mortal gods and mortal men.

Unto us the benedictions of this Pact within the Circle of the Dragon's Flame.
Unto us, thy Flesh, O Azh'deha.
Oh, Star of the Dragon's [part], illuminate this mortal flesh from within as Thou, O [star name] doth illuminate the Body of the Void from without.

Oh, Azh'deha, the powers of thy [part] I assume as my own

*spell*

In the seething chaos of universes born anew I was,
And at the dwindling twilight death of worlds I shall be,
For my very Flesh, is of Thy Stars,
And my body, the Vessel of Thee, O' Azh'deha!

>>2648782
>Reading the Hallowing for the first time

Wow the Draconian practice is so... recursive

no wonder people record time glitches when they do it all the time

>>2648827
So if I start with the Tail would I be visualizing my root chakra? And then visualizing the Magickal radiation the next day whenever I used it?

>>2648784
''It's occult for a reason.'' Is what the practitioners might say. I'm not sure myself, probably because its all in the mind. Almost every technique for practicing ''magic'' seems to be the altering of your own mind.

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>>2648821
What a garbage meme.

>>2648827
*cough*

O, Azh'qarina, O Thou Ancient Dragon of the Starlit Archways, Whom Art the Root of all Understanding and the Primal Womb of All Being.

From the Wrong of the Beginning through the Great Years of Existences down to this crystalline river of Kala in communion with the Timelessness of Thee, O Azh'qarina, I summon the power of thy [body part] to hereby establish the Celestial Bridechamber, the Secret Temple, and the Towers of Silence wherein the Tripartite radiance of [star name] may be enthroned and lit within the seat of [constellation].

By Transvocation of the Star Within and the Star Beyond, let the single flame of our Union be kindled and the Fires of Thy Passionate Adorations ignite! Let the colmn of the Teli's Brood enflesh among men.

So mote it be.

Unto us, the unveiling of thy Archways.
Unto us, the Revelation of Anahitan Sidereal Gnosis.
Unto us, open the Way of the Crook'd Path,

Beyond Alogos' Speech in Silence, Beyond 404's Silence in Speech;

Unto us, the benedictions of this Pact.
And Unto us Thy Flesh, O Azh'qarina,
Beneath the resplendent Jewels of Thy Vault

Oh, Star of the Dragon's [part], illuminate this mortal flesh from within as Thou, O [star name] doth illuminate the Body of the Void from without.
Oh, Azh'qarina, the powers of thy [part] I assume as my own

*spell*

In the seething chaos of universes born anew I was,
And at the dwindling twilight of Apocalyptic Unsealing I shall be,
For my very Flesh is of Thy Stellar Causeways,
And my body the Vessel of Thee, O' Azh'qarina.

>>2648888
>Them 8s
>Azh'qarina

wow yet another god form for me to learn

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>>2648888
>garbage meme

But accurate famalam

http://sacred-texts.com/jud/rph/index.htm

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>>2648912
Just because John Bruno Hare thinks it is doesn't mean it is.

Nice book from before the discovery of the Geinzah fragments or even the Qumran texts tho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus#Qarinah

>>2648925
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus#Qarinah
for
>>2648906

>>2648935
>>>"O Ruha Az'ra Qarina, Lady of the SW Airt, Guardian of the Left Handed Pillar at the Copper Gate of Africanus! We bid Thee to hear us and be with us! O Thou blood drenched Harlot of Harlots! Thou art She whom doth lap her tongue at the elixir dripping down from it's timeless vessel, and she who howls thorugh the void at the vagrancy of Thy offspring. We adore Thee as Saint of Abomination, Lady of the Apocalypse, and the Unnameable Highest whom hat the Jewel of Malkuth set upon Her throne, whom is twine'd with her Drunken Consort. Hail to Thee whom hath been called Barbelo and BABALON, Queen of the Rushing Rapids which carve through every crag and valley! Be thou before us as the Azure Eyed Seductress, the Succubus of the Vault of Heaven's Arch, who creepeth in a myriad forms to inhabit the earthen beds of infidelity. Come forth to dance in the shaded porch of mortal worship's temple, to sell Thy wares to the souls of the pious and pleasure thyself in the harvest of every mortal grain. Come thou forth in Thy grand array, garbed in the mirage of Aidoinais to cast the glamour of the Serpent Braided Heart's desire and bait all blood with Thy chalice! In Thy fourfold hands are the sings of thy dominion....etc., etc., etc.

>>2648954
>Azh'qarina as sexual formula
O I see, where did that particular text come from?

>>2648954
>>2648935
>>2648925
>>2648888
>Anahitan Sidereal Gnosis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anahita