itt most underrated historical rivalries

>>2633480
Yeah what gives with that, how come Germans and Italians were bedfellows next time round?

>>2633480

how did people give so little a fuck about dying

>>2633491
How come the English and French were allies?
How come the Turks and Poles were allies?
How come some muslims helped the crusaders?

>>2633511
because wars are fought for power, not for ideas

>>2633516
>crusaders fought for power to ideas
The muslims that helped them also fought for what their idea of islam was.

>>2633491
Opportunism on Mussolini's part; he was initially skeptical of Germany, but opted to ally with them when it looked they were the dominant power and the only one that would let him get away with his imperialist ambitions. As history showed, it was an unsuccessful gamble. The majority of the Italian people actually disliked Germany, which was a major contributing factor to the half-hearted effort with which the war was waged.

Meanwhile they were willing to get killed and maimed by the millions in WW1, because Austria was the old enemy due to having dominated the peninsula in centuries past. The Italian states had fought three wars of independence against them in less than two decades (1848-1849, 1859, 1866). Even further back during the Napoleonic Wars, certain Italian states were among Napoleon's most loyal allies (along with the Poles) against Austria; Naples was the only state on his side during the Hundred Days, where they exclusively fought Austria.

>>2633516
What if, here me out on this, but what if wars are fought for the idea of power.

First of all, I am starting to consider the italian side of WW1 a pyrrhic victory, something useless.
>>2633491
>Be sort-of-unified-Italy
>we need to take back Rome
>alright, but now France is mad at us
>hey Bismarck, who can be friend with us now that we alienated France?
>Oh well, ask Austria, they got a cool new alliance
>But they have our territories and not even a generation ago we were fighting them
>Just do it
>Alright
>WW1
>1915, fuck it, let's take back Italy.
>a bit before WW2
>You know what cool countries do? Colonialism, let's go take Albania and.....Ethiopia, and we will also say that is to end slavery, and we will use the gas that everyone was forbid from using
>Oh fuck, the Society of Nations kicked us out, we need a new ally, someone who does not care about the violation of human rights, is close and is strong.....

Israel vs. Syria is notable just because of how one-sided it is.

And it's hard to believe that before the 1980s Syria was getting more aid from the USSR than Israel was from the US

>>2633480
>Italian war of independence
>by Italy attacking its ally
>and posting a wiki source that got its figures from an unverified single website
Wew

>>2633870
t. Franz

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>Napoleon's most loyal allies (along with the Poles)
Napoleon betrayed us.

>>2633480
>laughing at the mentally disabled

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>>2633906
pls no bully

Burma vs Siam. Seriously, people harp about England vs France, but those 2 SE Asian kingdoms had centuries of bitter warfare that would put them to shame.

The 1767 sack and destruction of Ayutthaya, the then capital of Siam was a cultural loss. European visitors marveled at the exquisite island-city that was placed at the confluence of 3 rivers and was a spectacular entrepot. The city was founded in 1350 and managed to create a dynamic kingdom until its utter destruction. All that's left is a shell of the temples and other buildings.

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>>2633480
Habsburgs vs Jagiellons for central Europe. Shit was pretty intense with all the infighting on both sides, but (un)fortunately Lithuanians had much smaller breeding power. Even after extinction of the Jagiellons, Habsburgs would try to grasp the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but they wouldn't ever succeed through dynastic diplomacy.

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>>2633480

>when your autistic drive to cross a single river ends up loosing you half of all Italian casualties in the first world war
>and you still never manage to cross it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Michel-de-Maurienne_derailment

>>2633839
>And it's hard to believe that before the 1980s Syria was getting more aid from the USSR than Israel was from the US
not too hard mind you, western syria is pretty wealthy and their urban infrastructure and noticeable wealth before the civil war made them a stand out in the levant

>>2633520
they each fought for land and conquest and glory, only difference was the particulars of their justification.

People who view the world as a religious conflict, who even now view ISIS as a religious organization are idiots buying the face value storyline.

They're quite literally trying to reform the muslim caliphate and not because muh religion of fee fees but because the middle east has been weak ever since the fall of the ottoman empire and so they're trying to unite the middle east and reform their empire so that they can be taken seriously again in international politics. The way the extente forces carved up the middle east after WW1 ensured endless civil war and conflict.

ISIS is seeking real geopolitical goals and making moves for very real, very rational, very much logical reasoning, the same reasoning everyone uses really. "we're weak, they made us weak on purpose, they're not gonna help us, so we have to be strong ourselves"

Try to maybe view the world in an intelligent way and you'll see the religion isn't at the core of anything. There are always actual reasons and the religion is just there as a nice coat of paint really.

>>2636481
kinda right but also kinda wrong, ISIS's rise has more to due with the angry and large rural ssunni populations that have been marginalized by ethnic minority governments in iraq and syria

not quite sure why but the colonial powers after ww1 really liked propping up ethnic/religious minorities as rulers of middle eastern dictatorships

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROBF-F4H0GA

>>2636493
>angry and large rural ssunni populations that have been marginalized by ethnic minority governments in iraq and syria

ethnic minority governments formed by the very same entente forces that conquered the ottoman empire.

So basically you said I was wrong, agreed with me, and then never actually pointed to anything I said that was wrong

Why so many more deaths on the Italian side when Austria had more casualties?

>>2636493
>not sure why

the guy you're responding to already gave you the reason: they did it on purpose to weaken the middle east

>>2636502
Treatment of POWs probably. Note that the Italian totals also include soldiers who died of wounds and disease in 1919.

>>2636502
A lot of the Austro-Hungarian troops marked as 'missing' probably died.