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Hello this book rules

Basic premise is that the Red Army basically defeated the Nazis not out of fear of Stalin, but because of intentional and systematic politicization of soldiers. There are stories of snipers who got nervous because they hadn't killed any Nazis that day for Glorious Russia, and critically wounded soldiers who were desperate to get their paperwork to join the party through so they could die as a communist. Membership in the party was relatively limited, but by killing ten Nazis ("Fritzes”, they called them) you could get in. Rank and file saw Nazis as another incarnation of capitalist imperialism and we're proud to take as many Nazis with them to the grave in defense of the Soviets. Really really good read, though I'm only a hundred or so pages in.

Here's a decent review

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/what-really-happened-at-stalingrad/
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I regret that I have but 1 army to lose for my country
t.Zhukov
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>>2625038
did you read it while standing in a breadline?
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Eh, I mean the Soviet Army was such a polyglot mix of races, ethnicities and cultures that politics was really the only thing you could use to unite them. It didn't help though that party membership often led to inept bureaucrats being made into officers who's idea of tactical brilliance was pamphlets and rote memorization of Communist doctrine.
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>>2625096
Breadlines are signs of effective rationing. If it wasn't for breadlines a lot of people would have otherwise starved. Breadlines are good
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>>2625107
The overwhelming majority were slav, but tbf those pamphlets did make a lot of ukranians and tartars and people from wherever into good soldiers
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>>2625122
I mean you say 'slav' but you have to think that all the peoples of the Balkans are technically 'slavs' yet would a Serb and a Croat ever consider themselves ethnically or culturally similar? Obviously not since they fought for centuries to remain separate.
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>>2625117
a breadline means your people are poor and that your nation is backwards and inept
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>>2625038
Chuikov's book is way better, using the much more logical claim that the reason the Red Army was able to beat the German one was a result of tactical and operational factors, not what motivated individual soldiers.

In regards to the city fighting itself, he primarily focuses on how urban combat forces firefighting to happen at shorter ranges, which hurt the Germans in a variety of ways, most especially their greater reliance on fire support in the forms of things like artillery and airplanes and tanks, wheras the Soviet individual arms tended to operate more independently; while the German system was amazing when it worked, when battlefield factors started to break it down, it broke down hard.
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>>2625044
"I must unite all Russians under one grave."
-G. Zhukov, 1942
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>>2625240
What is the title of Chuikov's book?
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>>2627020
This one

https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Stalingrad-Vasili-Ivanovich-Chuikov/dp/034521109X
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>>2627043
Thanks, will add to my list.
If you ever get the chance, read both Red Road From Stalingrad by Abdulin and Eastern Front Combat From Stalingrad to Berlin. Both are Memoirs of both sides who were at Stalingrad.
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>>2625117
This nigga is a world class dj with spin skills like this
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>tfw you will never be a slavic meat shield btfoing fascists in Eastern Europe
>tfw no united socialist Eurasia
>tfw you will never get to chill with the lads in the bread line
Why even live?
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>>2625096
Bread is no match against soup and daunouts
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>>2627523
doughnuts
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