African royalty in Europe

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Anti black hatred stems from the fact that you had brutal black elites in Europe oppressing whites. Whites invent the concept of race and takeover during the 1800s in numerous brutal revolutions. They look to discover an ancient white past to prove their superiority (recall they have an inferiority complex at this point, this greatest poet, writer, artist, king and queens were all blacks in their day like shakespeare and beethoven). All they do is find minoan images like this

WE

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WE WUZ ZA DOM SPREMNI N SHIET

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On the far right you can see a black or etruscan and latin or white/mulatto man dancing. Whites will insist the dark white man is olive skin and not black. Yet he is as dark as any painting found in africa of black people. They cannot explain why you have whites of such drastically different color if they live under the same sun in the same country since their picture is in the same tomb.

>>2624762
Black people caused the Middle Ages, a time of no advancements whatsoever in science, medicine, astronomy, economics, etc.

All of these black people in power gave rise to the name "Dark Ages".

And yes, they really did ruin Europe for 1,000 years.

It wasn't until whites rose up and enslaved them that the Renaissance could start.

What was the greatest majority black civilisation to ever exist?

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>>2625588
That depends on who you consider black.
If you include semites. Than it would be without a doubt ancient egypt. If you limit it to Bantu, than it would be the sokoto caliphate.

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>>2625582
>Black people caused the Middle Ages, a time of no advancements whatsoever in science, medicine, astronomy, economics, etc.

I hope you realize the Moors quite literally came in and civilized the Europeans, they didn't even know how to bathe before the Moors came.

They brought enormous learning to Spain that over centuries would percolate through the rest of Europe.

The intellectual achievements of the Moors in Spain had a lasting effect; education was universal in Moorish Spain, while in Christian Europe, 99 percent of the population was illiterate, and even kings could neither read nor write. At a time when Europe had only two universities, the Moors had seventeen, located in Almeria, Cordova, Granada, Juen, Malaga, Seville, and Toledo. In the 10th and 11th centuries, public libraries in Europe were non-existent, while Moorish Spain could boast of more than 70.

>>2625777
The Moors in Spain were Arab-Berbers, not black Africans.

>>2625810
Moors were both.

>>2625882
No they weren't

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>>2625890

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>>2625890
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>>2625892
that was made in 1870

wait, fuck, i forgot this is a bait thread, nvm

>>2625892
That's a black eunuch

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>>2625890
..

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>>2625777
>they didn't even know how to bathe before the Moors came

I'm getting baited

Celts were quite particular about bathing

>>2625911
No, it's true. The moors started modern hygiene standards.

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>>2625588
>What was the greatest majority black civilisation to ever exist?

Carthage, Kemet, Mali, Semien, Mesopotamia, Kush, Punt, Great Zimbabwe, Aksum, Songhai was one of the biggest

>>2625916
Go on then. Explain how

>>2625921
>Carthage
>Mesopotamia

>>2625588
Spain

>>2625921
Half of those were Semitic, not black.

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>>2625930
>Carthage

are you implying Carthage wasn't black? look at the coins of their rulers for fucks sake

>>2625951
semitic is just a branch from afro-asiatic which started in Africa. semitic is black technically

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DATS RITE

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>>2625976
>blackhistoryheroes.blogspot.com
>rulers
>semitic is black technically

kek

>>2625588
Swedish Civilization

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>>2625976
How do you know that coin depicts Hannibal?

>>2625899
>>2625900

>Posting paintings from the 19th century black-facing Moors

>>2625983
>dat cross
LEAN BACKKK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajmI1P3r1w4

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>>2625996
>>2625992
>Ancient Carthage
>In North Africa
>All the oldest depictions depict them as very dark

how are you gonna twist this?

>>2625983
>Germanic Migration Period from the 5th century AD to 15th century AD

I would love to see how they make this fit the evidence

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>>2626006
By providing actual evidence.

http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/05/2016/dna-from-phoenician-male-shows-european-ancestry

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>>2625810
>>2625882
they were as black as any african, just look at them today.

>>2625911
>Celts were quite particular about bathing
>implying "Celts" aren't a modern invention

The Moors taught many Europeans about proper washing and spreading of disease. Most whites in those days hardly bathed because it was seen as a sin. Interestingly, the Moors also taught Europeans to wear underwear. If it wasn't for the Moors the very idea of university life among whites may never have existed at all. They were also the ones to put the Europeans on to Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle because so many of them were scholars.

>>2625976
WE
WUZ
JOOS

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>>2626020
>one source
>it could have easily been from the invaders, theres no way of knowing it is a true native or not.

>>2625983
Hilarious that they didn't even get a picture of the actual HRE Crown

>>2625916
Sorry i'm busy going to the thermae
Also in 1600 people usually have a bath each MONTH, if they were rich.

>>2626027
jews aren't semitic, unless you're an Ethiopian or some middle eastern jews. Polish jews are just Polish, British jews are just British.

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>>2626006
>Phoenicians sculpted the head of a black man
>therefore Phoenicians were black

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>>2626024
Agreed, but they did and still do come in various shades.

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>>2626033
European Jews are distant descendants of Ethiopians.

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>>2626006
>Moorish Almohad king Abu Hafs Umar al-Murtada

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>>2626024
Why did you post a Tuareg man instead of actual Moors?

>>2626024
That isn't a Touareg, but a "Bellah", the slave caste within the Touareg society.

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>>2625994

>>2626047
That's like saying why did you post an Austrian and not a german.

>>2626024
>implying "Celts" aren't a modern invention

White people can retroactively create groups of people? Like with a time machine? Fucking hell no wonder all the others are jealous! Those 19th Century inventors are impressive.

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Interestingly there is a recognized division between 'white Moors' (Bidhan) of Berber descent, and the 'black Moors' (Haratin) who are historically the slave caste.

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>>2626069
Haritins are the eastern doppelgängers of black Americans. Ethnic cousins.

>>2626069
Bidan is a very broad term that is one of patrilineal inheritance, so you have people who are mostly "Quadroons" but also "mulattos" and "griffes" who are Bidan.

Beyond that Haratin is a term that can denote slavery but also is one that embodied Bafour people NATIVE to the region. In Morocco "Haratin" are the indigenous people from the Draa South, they are "lower" that exslaves of Soninke roots because Soninke can and do claim descent from Bilal while Haratin cannot.

After them are Africans unaffiliated with Berber society in recent history; Wolof, Fula, etc...

>>2624762
I am interested in this beyond the memes. Which painting is that? Google is full of WEWUZ.

>>2626102
Blacks in palaces and Royal courts signified worldliness and represented the "Orient".

The history of the term Moor, Moro and Maure is complex but suffice to say in embodied all North African people. Thus St. Benedict a black North African is suffixed with "The Moor"

>>2625892
Those are turk and a black slave slave you dingus

>>2626113
I know Portugal subjugated the Kingdom of Kongo. Were there any other diplomatic contacts between Africa and Europe?

>>2626130
In the order of Kingdom recognition Kongo had the greatest contact.

I don't want to write a huge post but read the book "Eurafricans"

>>2625951
Stormfag crackers only make this distinction when in this context. Funny.

>>2626130
Portugal itself was a country that came to be as a result of political-social-cultural contact between Africa and 'Europe' in the first place.

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>>2626130
>subjugated

I wouldn't go that far.

>>2625777
No, dark skinned people caused the dark age, once they were enslaved by light skinned people we got the enlightenment.

Black people born in raised in Europe are European.

>>2626053
weren't they the same race?

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>>2624822
If Etruscans were KANGZ then why do modern Tuscans look white? Was the Latin man tryna keep em down?

>>2626548
peasants tend to breed like rabbits

>>2624762
>Implying they didn't have fiction back then

>>2626548

Cuz white devils massacred black citizens and replaced them with cracka

>>2626030
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hannibals-ethnicity-and-physical-appearance-2020107

>>2626543
Some people like to act as though no Tuareg Noble has African blood but it's not based on reality

>>2624762
WE

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Black people were an integral part of medieval Europe. Most of the advances in Education, Hygiene were all thanks to the Moorish (was synonymous with black in those days) peoples alone. It's hard to say if Europe would've reached it's success without the amount of emphasis put on the culture due to the influx of the Moors.

>>2628160
>It's hard to say if Europe would've reached it's success without the amount of emphasis put on the culture due to the influx of the Moors.

But the Moors never entered the Balkans

>>2628171
>But the Moors never entered the Balkans

The Greeks never entered into Ireland either.

The fact is the Moors put all of Europe onto greek philosophy because once they built libraries and schools in Spain the influence carried itself across Europe. Just the fact that they taught Europeans that bathing prevented diseases and kept you from being sick was a huge thing in and of itself.

>>2628187

Did the Moors teach the Byzantines how to bathe?

If so why don't the Berber nomads bathe today?

>>2628187

Is there a single academic source that can corroborate your claims?

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>>2625916
I guess roman baths were just nice decoration.

>>2628214

Of course there are, marxists LOVE to write books about how enlightened muslims are in comparison to christians. There are hundreds of books expounding at length on the glories of the "islamic golden age", the only thing they lack is any facts whatsoever, and who cares about facts when you're on the right side of history?

>>2628257
>how enlightened muslims are
were*

if you claim you have to be a marxist to know about their golden age, then you are memed up

>>2628187
>The Greeks never entered into Ireland
The Romans did, well, they were in the area.

We know most of the barbarian people in northern europe were quite fond of bathing and even had entire days dedicated to it.
The Romans usually used it to their advantage when they were out conquering shit.

it's a fact the muslim world was doing better during the early middle ages, but saying things like 'the moors civilized europe' is retarded and mildly put - an oversimplification

>>2625921
>kush
HOL UP
*unsheathes pipe*
IS U BE SAYIN
*pulls out 'herb' bag used to cover 'BO and balls' smell*
DAT
*opens bag and appreciates the mixture of fine organic aromas and does that thing italians do when they eat their nonna's risotto*
WE
*loads bowl like it were a bowl of risotto*
WUZ
*thinks to himself: 'DATS RITE' and takes out his steel lighter with white women on it*
KUSH N SHIET?

>>2628310
>kush isn't black

>>2626006
we wuz sounds n shiet

>>2628322
I just felt like shitposting

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>>2624762
>Why are there so many old paintings and artifacts that depict European royalty as black?

Well if we're talking about African ancestry, there actually were some royalty in Europe that had some. One example is Philippa of Hainault, and by proxy her son, Edward, the Black Prince. She was from an area that had once been ruled by the Moors. She was the wife of Edward III, and prior to marrying Edward III of England, Edward sent someone to meet the woman who he wished for his son to marry. When the man returned, he noted the following: “Her eyes are dark. Her nose is fairly smooth and even, save that is somewhat broad at the tip and flattened, yet it is no snub nose. Her nostrils are also broad, her mouth fairly wide. Her lips somewhat full and especially the lower lip…all her limbs are well set and unmaimed, and nought is amiss so far as a man may see. Moreover, she is brown of skin all over, and much like her father, and in all things she is pleasant enough, as it seems to us.”

Considering that is the only actual description we have of her, and her location it is fair to assume she was not white.

>>2628821
except literally none of her recorded ancestors were moorish

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>>2628821
>>2629082
lol, I've seen niggers try to do this with Napoleon too. It's ridiculous. It's based on the fact that he belonged to a kinda rare subclade of the E1b haplo (but still widespread through Europe) and it's not even common in niggers.

>>2626030
>>2626006
>>2625976
>>2625921
This is bait, get out of /his/

>>2624762
Ancient kings were big into bodybuilding and tanning.

Middle Age Guidos.

>>2626024
Public baths were a thing.
So were barrel-tubs and goddamn buckets.

Fuck off.

>>2624762
******question for white people*******

IF all these royals were white then why are they depicted as BLACK

>>2629417
>IF all these royals were white then why are they depicted as BLACK

exactly. they can't ever answer this. they just pull up paintings drawn hundreds of years later, and ignore all the sources we have from the time they were actually breathing

>>2624817

sorry sir but you're not accepted here, no dumb people allowed

>>2625976
The point was, Carthage wasn't a noble civilization

>>2626024
"just look at them today"
Look at Sweden today

I been cheated by you since you know when
So I made up my mind, it must come to an end
Look at me now, will I ever learn?
I don't know how but I suddenly lose control
There's a fire within my soul
Just one look and I can hear a bell ring
One more look and I forget everything

Mamma mia, here I go again
My my, how can I resist you?
Mamma mia, does it show again
My my, just how much I've missed you?

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Oh? another bait thread?

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>>2625588
>What was the greatest majority black civilisation to ever exist?

Easily Mesopotamia.
Just to list a few of their accomplishments
>The wheel
>Mathematics
>The Map
>Astronomy
>The sailboat
>Urban civilization
>First form of writing
>Agriculture
>Keeping track of time

For the stormfags who will say they weren't black, look at all the genetic, archeological and linguistic evidence and it's impossible to conclude otherwise.

>After deciphering the cuneiform script and researching ancient Mesopotamia for many years Henry Rawlinson (1810-1895) discovered that the founders of the civilization were of Kushite (Cushite) origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black people who called themselves sag-gig-ga or “Black Heads.”

>John Baldwin wrote in his book “PreHistoric Nations” (1869): “The early colonists of Babylonia were of the same race as the inhabitants of the Upper Nile.”

Just look at pic related

Red represents areas settled by Indo-Europeans up to 2500 BC, and orange the area settled by Indo-Europeans up to 1000 BC. As you can see, while we do have an Indo-European presence in northern Anatolia before 2500 BC, it isn't until 2500-1000 BC that the Indo-European presence in Southwest Asia becomes significant. Assuming the spread of Indo-European languages involved major population movements, it appears that it wasn't until well after Southwest Asian civilization had been established that large numbers of light-skinned people were in the area.

Before these white migrations, the inhabitants of Mesopotamia were unquestionably black.

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>>2624762
>>2625976
Phoenicians were blacks, pic related was found in Sardinia and it's from the Carthaginian occupation period, this is why some Sardinians have black skin today

>>2630539

The Indo-European migrations started in 3000BC, when they domesticated the horse.

IE peoples were primarily haplogroup R, but they weren't the only "white" people. The I and J markers were already in Europe and West Asia.

Interestingly enough, the IE haplogroup, "R" descends from the P haplogroup, which is a Turkic-Mongolic marker, which itself descends from the "K" marker which originates from the aboriginal population of Papua New Guinea and Australia.

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>>2626006
Gadir actually dates back to 800-750 bc, the "traditionall" date (1100 bc) was based on Greek foundation myths and has been disproven by archaeology, somehow it's persistent because I keep seeing it on the internet, here's a recent publication you should read if you wanna understand Phoenician colonizaton in the Western Med:

http://ojs.unica.it/index.php/caster/article/view/2485/2216

Sadly it's in Italian

>>2630551
Sardinians are roughly 80% I2a and J haplogroups, both of which do not originate in africa.

>>2630551
that's a marsian senpai

>>2630582
No, Sardinians are more G2a and r1b than J

>>2624817
THE ORIGINAL CROATS WUZ BLACK

ZRINSKI? BLACK

PETAR KREŠIMIR THE GREAT? BLACK

JELAČIĆ? DAS RITE, HE WUZ BLACK

STAY WOKE

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>>2626042
That´s a pretty false picture, from what i´ve read they used north__african caucasoid lines (from the berbers) and call them sub-saharan.
The subs markers in Europe are near to none, even in south Europe.

>>2631974
Berbers have a deep L marker from East Africa about 20kya

>>2629423
If the founding fathers were all white, why are the actors playing them in Hamilton all black?

>>2631995
haplogroups are a small part of your dna, autosomal is what matter's.
Napoleon Bonaparte, adolf Hitlr and millions of other europeans were and are E3b haplogroup, but are europids.

>>2626503
I can't tell i this is baiting. This is Yakub-tier.

>>2629389
during roman times, and only came bak as a fancy amongst carolingian nobility
peasants didn't use baths

>>2628257
how much of a retard do you have to be to believe in your own posts?

>>2624762
>tfw you will never be an African kang with your inbred European loli royalty gf

Well, I'm not dumb but I can't understand
Why she walk like a woman and talk like a man
Oh my Lola, lo lo lo lo Lola, lo lo lo lo Lola

>>2633208
yeah you can just join ISIS

>>2624762
More interesting question: according to serious we wuzzers, about when do they think that the whites rose up and stole all the black accomplishments? I've heard claims that the American founding fathers were black, for example.

>>2625895
>bait
I thought it was a joke thread.

>>2628308
yeah i know right as if the roman ,greek byzantine didn't exist back then

>>2634246
This is what 4chan doesn't get there are literally dozens of Wuzzer philosophy and history sets. It's not cohesive at all.

>>2632038
Well if it helps we have 30k+ years of skeletal remains that all align with a single group of people whose reconstruction is quite African.

That good enough?

>>2628160
moor definition-a member of a northwestern African Muslim people of mixed Berber and Arab descent yeah of course they were black

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>>2634985
you're telling me this isn't black? if this isn't black, then what is?

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>>2634993

>>2634993
moor is a group of people not a race are you telling me that all moroccan,algeria,tunisian looks like a nigerian? sure they have been some sahrawi arab,tuareg or any other that is black which can be considered black but saying all the population is black is ridiculous

>>2635038
most of the blacks were slaves in moorish society. they wuz not kangz

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>>2634993

>>2635040
some joined the muslim invasion not all of them are slaves

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>>2634993

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>>2634993
This guy right here look totally like a moroccan i know

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>>2634993

>>2630551
lebanese people are the descent of phoenician today they are hardly black

>>2635040
They also enslaved european too

>>2625892
hmm thicc booty

>>2628322
im not an afrocentrist but they are black kush is situated today in Sudan

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>>2635172
Kush is purple, nigga

>>2626204
Yes, because when it was founded in 1142 they were already in Africa n shieet

>>2624775
that was supposed to be jean etienne leotard ?

>>2635177
is that a shit ?

>>2624775
What is Rome and Byzantine?

>>2629512
Indeed that tyrone is dumb

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>>2626006

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>>2626006

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>>2626024
modern day moroccan woman

>>2624762
th

>in thousands of years they will research our society and see all the multiculturalism in the media and television and think it reflected reality.

>>2629423
which royal were depicted as black?

>>2629512

>sorry sir but you're not accepted here, no dumb people allowed

I don't think you've been here long.

Thats the adoration of the magi, not an european king, dumb nigger.

>>2628821
That is clearly paint aging, Dumb negro

>>2635311
>>2635315
I love how these niggers post adoration of the magi, biblical passages or saint mauritius paintings as if they were europeans.

>>2635231
>>2635236

Looks negro tome

>>2635371
It's hilarious.

>>2625921
>Carthage
>Kemet (Egypt)
>Mesopotamia
WE

>>2626139
and you don't that's why you are so dumb. stormfag will claim they are blonde and blue eyed you moron

>>2630539
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MESOPOTAMIA WAS NOT BLACK REEEEEE
Why am I getting triggered by a bait?
FUCK YOU.

>>2635698
See>>2630557

>>2626024
>implying that they are the only moor

>>2625983
T-that's not even the crown of the HRE. It's the Hungarian crown.. from the 12th century, 3 centuries after Charlemagne. Is this picture deliberately made to trigger me?

>>2624762
because it was so strange that people wanted paintings to commemorate the occasion that these weird foreigners visited.

>>2625897
>eunuch with tits
makes me think

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Funny how all pre-1800s paintings are black, then out of nowhere they all become "white"

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>>2635224
>What is Rome and Byzantine?

There were actually 3 black roman emperors.

Caracalla was the eldest son of Septimius Severus, the first black African-born Emperor of Rome. But before Septimius Severus, there had been other Roman-born black Emperors of Rome.

Caracalla’s reign was notable for the Constitutio Antoniniana, granting Roman citizenship to freemen throughout the Roman Empire. That act laid a foundation for a peaceful multi-ethnic, multi-cultural Empire that Rome was to become.

Just look at how Rome talked about Africans versus how they spoke about Europeans.

>>2625588
Mali and Songhai.

Modern day Botswana and Kenya are pretty close.

>>2637404
>all

Laugh yourself to death

>>2633175
>what is a stream?
Peasants bathed you twit. Especially in East Europe.

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>>2638368
and caracalla were born on france to a syrian mother and roman father with libyan desent none of those are black .

The african they described are the north african and east african nation such, or as ethiopia ,nubia not the san bushmen ,ashanti or zulu and other african tribes.You also forget that Julian also praised nation such as syria,libya,egypt none of those are black.

Despite how multi cultural rome are it is still a european civilization and it is not a backward country even by the standard at that time and still is today.That was like saying America is a chinese country just because there are some chinatown in there.

Anglo Saxon and Germanic tribe are indeed a barbarian at that time but not the roman and greek and some other european countries at that time saying that europe is some uncivilized continent at that time is ridiculous.

And they have become civilized today unlike those in ethiopia and sudan today.But afrocentrist still cling on to any figure that is supposed to be black to justified their superiority above others.

>>2637404
This was the brotherhood of blackhead a group of foreign merchant a nubian from egypt is a par of them. Not a european people

>>2636786
a futa

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>>2624822
>They are bronze skin so they must be black

>>2624822
That was probably celts rather than latin.celts is just north of the estrucan .The latin(roman) is south of the etruscan