Why'd Latin die out when it was such a widespread language?

it evolved
the same reason no one speaks middle english anymore

because it was a language so it changed into the romance languages

>>2623209
Not all languages evolve. The Chinese can still read Confucius from the BCs

>>2623192
It didn't die out, it evolved over several centuries of political and increasing cultural division. While the educated might have had access to books and manuscripts in classical latin, by the fall of the empire there was already a gap between street latin and high latin which just increased over the centuries

>>2623237
That's because they use a writing system that isn't based on pronunciation. If they heard him speak it would sound different from modern mandarin

>>2623192
The Roman Empire broke up and so did the languages its that simple

>>2623242
This

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The Italian peninsula was always consisted of various ethnicities who spoke their own languages. The Latins just imposed their culture and language on everyone and when the Roman Empire collapsed the peninsula returned to it's natural state.

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>>2623376
Can't say there isn't a resemblance.

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>>2623192
Completed your pic
English is a Latin language, time to accept it

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>>2623388

>>2623192
>proto-italian
Don't you mean italo-dalmatian, then tuscan, then italian?
Proto-italian doesn't actually mean shit.

>>2623388
0/10

Its west germanic you poor troll

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Westgermanic_English_tree.svg

>>2623192
It stopped being a vernacular in the middle ages. Languages tend to die out after that. For a modern comparison look at the situation of French and maybe other colonial languages in Africa.

>>2623209
>it evolved
''Devolved'' is the term you're looking for in this case.

>>2623192
I heard that French is basically Latin with a gaullish pronounciation, can anybody with some linguistic knowledge tell me if its true or not?

>>2623388
Wow I never knew the ancient Danes were a Latin group. You learn something new every day.

>>2623408
It literally just means before italian. The things you listed are proto-italian.

>>2623237
http://pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html

6. Then there's classical Chinese (wenyanwen).
Forget it. Way too difficult. If you think that after three or four years of study you'll be breezing through Confucius and Mencius in the way third-year French students at a comparable level are reading Diderot and Voltaire, you're sadly mistaken. There are some westerners who can comfortably read classical Chinese, but most of them have a lot of gray hair or at least tenure.
Unfortunately, classical Chinese pops up everywhere, especially in Chinese paintings and character scrolls, and most people will assume anyone literate in Chinese can read it. It's truly embarrassing to be out at a Chinese restaurant, and someone asks you to translate some characters on a wall hanging.
"Hey, you speak Chinese. What does this scroll say?" You look up and see that the characters are written in wenyan, and in incomprehensible "grass-style" calligraphy to boot. It might as well be an EKG readout of a dying heart patient.
"Uh, I can make out one or two of the characters, but I couldn't tell you what it says," you stammer. "I think it's about a phoenix or something."

>>2623237
"Oh, I thought you knew Chinese," says your friend, returning to their menu. Never mind that an honest-to-goodness Chinese person would also just scratch their head and shrug; the face that is lost is yours.
Whereas modern Mandarin is merely perversely hard, classical Chinese is deliberately impossible. Here's a secret that sinologists won't tell you: A passage in classical Chinese can be understood only if you already know what the passage says in the first place. This is because classical Chinese really consists of several centuries of esoteric anecdotes and in-jokes written in a kind of terse, miserly code for dissemination among a small, elite group of intellectually-inbred bookworms who already knew the whole literature backwards and forwards, anyway. An uninitiated westerner can no more be expected to understand such writing than Confucius himself, if transported to the present, could understand the entries in the "personal" section of the classified ads that say things like: "Hndsm. SWGM, 24, 160, sks BGM or WGM for gentle S&M, mod. bndg., some lthr., twosm or threesm ok, have own equip., wheels, 988-8752 lv. mssg. on ans. mach., no weirdos please."
In fairness, it should be said that classical Chinese gets easier the more you attempt it. But then so does hitting a hole in one, or swimming the English channel in a straitjacket.

>>2623439
Are you retarded?
Do you see the Germanic part devolving from Latin on the pic?
They're two separate categories that only merge with English

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>>2623398
Needs an even more smug Pepe with a Sardinian flag next to it by the way.

>>2623450
In other words they were memers too.

>>2623457
Doesn't make English a Latin language.

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>>2623485
Its huge Romance vocabulary begs to differ

>>2623495
That same page calls it a Western Germanic language. Try again.

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>>2623495
>including modern scientific and technical Latin

How about terms for spells like "Hocus Pocus" and shit?

>>2623438
>One such study was done by Italian-American linguist Mario Pei in 1949, which analyzed the differentiation degree of languages in comparison to their inheritance language (in the case of Romance languages to Latin comparing phonology, inflection, discourse, syntax, vocabulary, and intonation) revealed the following percentages (the higher the percentage, the greater the distance from Latin):[81]

Sardinian: 8%;
Italian: 12%;
Spanish: 20%;
Romanian: 23.5%;
Occitan: 25%;
Portuguese: 31%;
French: 44%.

>>2623526
>italian american
trying to discredit french obviously

>>2623495
but in practice like 90% of english words are germanic

http://ideasillustrated.com/blog/2012/04/01/visualizing-english-word-origins/

>>2623420
No devolving, it happened naturally. It wasn't like with English were Normans came and destroyed their language with a foreign language.

>>2623530
Lmao, do you really think French looks or sounds anything like Classical/Vulgar Latin? Sardinian is the only language who preserved the root word for "house", being "domus" for example.

Also, another interesting language from Italy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabino_dialect

>Many authors consider Sabino as an independent group of Italian language distinguished from Central Italian. It is the only dialect which keeps the two affixes -o and -u of Late Latin, so there are words like cabaju 'horse', from Latin caballus, and scrio 'I write', from Latin scribo.

>>2623526
That makes sense since French is pretty German influenced.

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What would the likes of Cicero and Virgil think of modern-day Romance languages?

People say the similar breakup of spanish is inevitable and already occurring

I think all around the world as thing get more globalized people will actually, contrary to what you might think at first, maintain their regional dialects and even widen the gap between them. Everyone will use a lingua franca and there will be a small community's language for local use.

>>2623237
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Chinese_language

>>2623192
Holy shit people languages change over time it is inevitable. Only dead languages remain static.

>>2623601
Dislike them, that is the whole charade, it doesn't compare to Latin.
(Classical) Latin should return and become the norm in Europe.

>>2623593
There is no such thing as German influence, the Franks were a Pannoninan tribes and were therfore Celts.


There is no Germanic influence in French.

>>2623639
The Frank language and Gaul language were proto-Germanic

>>2623531
Misleading statement
Most used words in English are useless shit like "the", "a", "at"...etc
If you look only at verbs, nouns and adjective (words that give the sense to a sentence), it's easily 50/50 between Germanic and French words

Fact is you can't make post on this board without using French words unless trying very hard

>>2623629
Why don't you start speaking Old English instead of fantasizing the language Europeans speak?

>>2623670
Because the current english is fine, latin was great, it was all that was needed, it started to become worse at the vulgar phase, when it eventually developed into the romance languages.

>>2623448
>>2623450
wow

thanks chink anon

>>2623192
This needs French Creole, Generic Latino, and BRazillian at the end.

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>>2623699
>current english is fine

>>2623495
>>2623669
The idea that the origin of a language's lexical items is what determines its typology is ridiculous and reflects a deep ignorance about language. The lexicon is the most superficial aspect of any language. There is much more to it than that, but you probably are under the impression that a language is "a body of words" or something like that. That just doesn't make sense if you're in any way being serious.

French>Latin
Prove me wrong

>>2623398
I do not get this picture.

Someone redpill me on the inherent value of the pepes

>>2623720
Yes, it's going down the drain, but, old english was nothing too special, whereas all I'm propsing is that latin was better, and I would be completely okay with all of Europe speaking (Classical) latin.

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>>2623629
Italian can sound cool and is more varied than Latin though. I mean do Romans even have names/surnames as cool as:

>Farnese
>Serpico
>Barbarossa
>Sforza
>Garibaldi

Everything fucking ends in "us".

I don't think Latin "died out" in its pure form it just evolved into all these other languages

What major language from 0 AD has survived in its pure form to today?

>>2623729
its by % of bastardization.

>>2623741
People will say things like "Greek" or "Chinese" but that just demonstrates that they are ignorant.

>>2623741
Hebrew, Farsi, Chinese, Finnish, Tamil

>>2623750
Finnish?

>>2623750
wtf? Hebrew was literally revived dude...
and old Chinese sounded different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__vHa_JZ_iM

The other ones I don't know.

>>2623747
But someone that speaks Greek could make out a lot of homeric Greek. Just because its not exactly the same doesn't mean it isn't an ancient language still in use.

>>2623745
Why the degrees of amusement over the Iberian languages though?

>>2623448
That's an interesting article. I wonder if Chinese civilization would have advanced more rapidly had they improved their writing system.

>>2623388
Lel

>>2623192
Same reason why French, German, Swedish, Danish English and every other western language will die out. Mass immigration of non-conforming peoples.

>>2623768
You don't know wtf you're talking about.

>>2623388
Can someone who knows languages well tell me: which pair is more mutually intelligible: French-Latin, or English-Old English?

>>2623771
Almost nobody in this thread has a clue what they're talking about, though they THINK they do, and they really believe it. It's pathetic; you see people adamantly defending pseudo-linguistics like "English is (part) Romance" or "not all languages change" or "Romance languages devolved from Latin."

>>2623761
The ones on the left are just smug because they are closer to roman I guess.

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>>2623388
FUCKING NORMANS GET OUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2623771
Go to London and try to talk to someone wearing a hijab.

>>2623787
I can't understand either.

>>2623806
Not London here, but Sweden. Malmö.

Most of the arabs I know do not speak perfect Swedish, but everyone does speak fluently, even the refugees.

>>2623439
Holy fuckig shit you're ur retarded as radiation saturated sperm.

>>2623763
The Chinese system has benefits too, the fact that it isn't really phonetic makes it easier to read for people from different regions for example. The fact that China managed to create a state which can embrace a region larger than all of Europe might have some relationship to their writing system.

Also the same exists to some extent in pretty much every pre-modern society. Pre-modern societies generally have a high language which isn't spoken by the general population. Think Europe with Latin during the Medieval ages; nobody spoke Latin except the elites who used it for communication and writing, and the majority of the people were illiterate. The fact that Latin was different and more complex (not having lost its declensions) than the languages of the masses was not a negative, conversely it was a benefit. Even today if the average man on the street tried to read, say, a post-modernist academic work, they'd be pretty much lost, even if it is technically written in the same language that they speak.

It didn't really matter that Chinese was impossible to read for the common people, because they weren't the ones who were going to be reading it, it would be the elites. A system that is simpler to learn is useful when mass literacy becomes important, and predictably when that happened China started standardizing on what we call modern Mandarin and replacing Classical Chinese, and the PRC did character reforms to make it easier. Today, the Chinese do pretty much universally learn their language and writing system, its only for us, the outsiders, that they have such a weird writing system that it is really a drawback.

>>2623831
*region larger in population vis-a-vis europe

still pretty big in scale too

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>>2623192
it just depends on the population of speakers in contact with each other, the higher the population the faster the change


for example iceland has a population roughly the size of york (ie 250,000) so theyre language is very similar to norse and they can still read and understand the norse sagas about people colonising north america

it would be interesting to see how similar greenlandic would be to norse if it still existed


french is furthest from latin because it has always had a massive population compared to the rest of europe, they didnt even have a population spike with industrialisation because the population was already huge and had been for hundreds of years

>>2623853
you have a real citation on that or did you read it in a magazine?

>>2623653

Gaul literally means "celto-roman" in Germanic you dunce.

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>>2623831
> The fact that China managed to create a state which can embrace a region larger than all of Europe might have some relationship to their writing system.

Except the differences in the various ancient Asian dialects were minor, compared to Europe where Romance, Germanic and Slavic are wildly different languages.

> Today, the Chinese do pretty much universally learn their language and writing system, its only for us, the outsiders, that they have such a weird writing system that it is really a drawback.

Except any technical writing is in English, as Chinese writing simply isn’t suited for a modern society.

>>2623741
Dutch.

Romanfags mad the language of backwards Germanic island savages is now the Lingua Franca.

>>2623629
And how would that be in any way useful?

>>2623886
>Except the differences in the various ancient Asian dialects were minor, compared to Europe where Romance, Germanic and Slavic are wildly different languages.
Irrelevant. Mandarin and Cantonese are mutually incomprehensible, and yet the two languages can still exist together as part of China relatively well. It doesn't matter if the difference is huge so long as it exists, see Portugal, France, Italy, and Spain. The differences in Chinese dialects are just as big as those between the Romance languages yet China has a single civilization and they do not. Or we could compare this to Pan-Slavism, the Slavic languages despite being the same family failed utterly at this, while China, well, China exists.

>>2623823
>Refugees
Once the refugee arrives at Turkey, they are no longer a refugee, and have become an economic migrant.

>>2623956
English got cucked by Normans in 1066. You speak a creole language bro.

>>2623956
No one is going to deny English is largely a latin language though.

>>2623975
the phrase refugee is a slur in Swedish, hence my use of it.

>>2623388
Accurate

>>2623959
Not him, but Latin is a very practical language, and it would help bring a deeper sense of unification to the Union.

>>2623192
Romance languages are Vulgar Latin + time

The Catholic Church still uses Latin in official documents and there are masses said in Latin.

>>2623981
Not at all. It has a lot of Latinate vocabulary, but that doesn't determine what family it belongs to.

>>2624032
>Latin is a very practical language
wtf does that even mean?

>>2623237
>The Chinese can still read Confucius from the BCs
Well no actually, not without difficulty and some are totally unreadable. I have first hand experience of this.

>>2624047
The rules of English are basically the same as the rules of French. Its not just the vocabulary.

>>2624117
Then you should know you are just unfamiliar with some of the symbols.

>>2624137
t. man who has literally never read anything in Chinese once in his entire life

>>2624131
English is structurally a Germanic language, it's laughable to suggest otherwise

>>2624131
True, English is known for conjugating all its verbs, putting object pronouns before verbs, and putting adjectives after the noun.

>>2623750
>implying that modern Finnish is any way comparable to the sophisitcation of the vulgar hyper-finnish that was spoken around 0 AD

>>2624324
For English speakers Romance languages are easier to master than other Germanic languages.

Greek / Hellenic is better. I wonder how English structured more on it would sound.

>>2624512
Cases are shit.

>>2624488
Maybe, but that isn't relevant to what language family it belongs to.

>>2624488
Dutch and Danish are supposedly as easy as Romance languages for English speakers.

>>2624525
True it is more dynamic and complex. Perhaps that could be fixed through transfer to English.
On the other hand one could also imagine the development of Hellenic languages from a Vulgar Attic.

>>2624512
It is through Latin

>>2624539
Spelling wise french is the closest.

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>>2624462
kek'd
I actually convinced my paki immigrant friend that the great finnish empire actually existed. After a while he realised I was joking though.

>>2624558
>words that come from french are often spelled similarly to french words

dude woah

>>2624539
That's because they have the same general sounds and very similar grammar. Also Danish/Norwegian/Swedish are just weird dialects of the same core language.

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>>2624117

>>2624574
Even Germanic words have Frenchy spelling and pronunciation.

>>2624488
This. Aside from maybe Dutch which is french mixed I think French is the easiest to learn.

>>2624600
Examples? Didn't think so.

>>2624612
I'm assuming he's talking about written English being latinized or something.

>>2624369
Don't forget the gender agreement and verb-raising that English is known for!

>>2624600
Comparing examples on Google translate both Dutch and French pronounce English words similarly but Dutch sounds slightly closer while the French voice sounds a bit more Latinate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Anglo-Saxon_origin

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>>2624488
This
French is almost intelligible while German is completly foreign

>>2623438
>French is basically Latin with a gaullish pronounciation
No, since French completely drops whole syllables.

Latin "medietatem" (pronounced EXACTLY AS SPELLED) becomes "mwatye" (moitié). That is not just someone pronouncing something weird.

>>2624731
The german there is actually more grammatically similar to English there.

Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,

monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra

ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
Ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned,
geong in geardum, þone god sende
folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat

þe hie ær drugon aldorlease
lange hwile. Him þæs liffrea,
wuldres wealdend, woroldare forgeaf;
Beowulf wæs breme (blæd wide sprang),
Scyldes eafera Scedelandum in.

>>2625023
not only that but the grammar (syntax, morphology, phonology, etc) of French is quite different from Latin.

>>2623380
thats the era of romulus where rome was just that, rome. once the italian penisula was captured by the romans most of it spoke latin.

>>2625055
I find it kind of ridiculous we have much more trouble understanding this than we do Romance languages.

>>2625410
It's harder to recognize cognates due to >1000 years of sound changes, and the loss of cases.

>>2625051
>muh grammar

The only recognizable words in the German sentence are the Romance originated ones

English
>Linguistic diversity is a world heritage that must be valued and protected.
>Respect for all languages and cultures is fundamental to the process of constructing and maintaining dialogue and peace in the world.

French
>La diversité linguistique est un héritage universel qui doit être valorisé et protégé.
>Le respect de tous les langages et de toutes les cultures est fondamental à la construction et au maintien du dialogue et de la paix dans le monde.

German
>Die Sprachenvielfalt ist ein Welterbe, das anerkannt und geschützt warden muss.
>Der Respekt für alle Sprachen und Kulturen ist fundamental für die Entwicklung und Aufrechterhaltung von Frieden und Dialog in der Welt.

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>>2624731
>>2625055
So I think it's settled then. English is a turbo-mongrel language and shouldn't be put in the same bag as pure Germanic ones. Fuck what linguists have to say.

>>2625433
I wonder what 'und' 'ist' and 'für' could mean.

>>2624488
nope

http://www.pagef30.com/2008/08/why-norwegian-is-easiest-language-for.html

>ctrl-f: teutoburg forest
>0 results

>>2625433
>>2625440
That's because "more complicated" words tend to be latinized in English, but if you look at structure and basic vocabulary English and German have a lot in common

House-Haus (pronounced exactly the same way)

few examples:
I-Ich, you-du ...
not-nicht
make-machen
do-tu
is-ist
now-nun
way-weg
eat-essen
love-liebe
hatred-hass

>>2625470
>make-machen
>do-tu
>now-nun
>way-weg
>eat-essen
>love-liebe
>hatred-hass

I wouldn't have guessed what any of these meant if I saw them in a sentence 2bh. The similarity is low.

>>2625449
Same for

Das
Betreten
mit
anderer
verboten

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http://www.swifty.com/lifestyle/5392/10-easiest-languages-for-english-speakers-to-learn/#page=1

>Familiar to English speakers from the widespread use of classic Italian culture, art, and cuisine, many English speakers find this to be the easiest of all romance languages to acquire. Italian is also rooted in Latin, providing an additional layer of familiar vocabulary that many English speakers will immediately joyfully recognize

So wait, is it French or Italian that's the easiest one to learn? I'm confused now. How does it make sense for Italian to be easier than French?

>>2625553
As a native English speaker, I find French a fucking bitch to learn because of those fucking spellings. NOTHING is pronounced like it's spelled. It's daffy.

>>2625553
>many English speakers find this to be the easiest of all romance languages to acquire
Of the three most commonly studied Romance languages (French, Spanish, Italian), I would think Italian is the hardest for an English speaker to learn (although it would be the easiest to pronounce).

>>2625576
Well, for French, it is very easy to know how to pronounce a word based on its (admittedly very counterintuitive) spelling, much more so than English. On the other hand, it is very hard to know how to spell a word when you hear it, much more so than English.

>>2623192
why does no one remember romansh?

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>>2625606
Out of all meme Rhaetian tongues you pick the most irrelevant one? Why not Friulian?

>>2625449
Yeah, these totally are the most important words to understand the sentence

>>2625606
Faetar is the patrician choice for forgotten Romance language

>>2625629
because we're a tiny Swiss minority and dying out because of the fucking German Swiss.

>>2625492
probably because you have poor phonological awareness. typical trait of dyslexics.

>>2625553
French have the most shared words (and often spelled the exact same way), but the grammar and the pronounciations (which can be very different even for words spelled the exact same as in English) make it hard to master

>>2623607
You know what, i hate this. People always talk about one spanish being better than others, and mexican spanish being shit and stuff, but in the future they'll pretty much be the only ones that speak Spanish.
I'm involved in political science academically, particularly latin American educational politics.
Mexico will eventually rid itself of regional accents and spread the use of their pretty roman political language which everyone 70 years ago used to use.
If you use some of those roman words and strong pronunciation people say you sound mexican, and steer away from it.
It's really dumb that they do that, instead opting for really strange adaptations of English or made up words.
Chileans are so awful at speaking, yet they still always sing using that old timey "mexican" vocabulary.

>>2625492
> The similarity is low

The only differences are some minor vocal shifts and suffixes/pronounciations

>>2625055
>ywn seduce a buxom wench in olde englisc

>The only differences are some minor vocal shifts and suffixes/pronounciations

Yes, but the similarity is only apparent once you know that they're the same word. The same standard of vocal similarity could completely mislead you, e.g

dish - Tisch (table)
fart - fahren (drive)
car - Karte (card)
fuck - Flug (flight)
love - Luft (air)
vaccinate - wachsen (grow)

>>2623629
Actually Virgil would cream itself reading Dante

>>2626373
You might actually be dyslexic.

>>2623237
And we can still read Canterbury Tales. That doesn't mean we still speak like that.

>>2623601
Imagine someone talking in ghetto slang, its basically the same thing, Italian is vulgar latin

>>2625410
>>2625445
Actually the words aside its not actually grammatically as far off as you'd think.

>>2626952
>ghetto

No, not really comparable. Vulgar Latin was just colloquial speech that people used in an informal setting.

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>>2623448
>>2623450
Are you a Westerner or Chinese/Japanese? I agree learning just modern Chinese won't help too much with guwen, but just getting immersed in the culture and sayings of East Asia should get you better immersed. Understanding common themes, cultural figures, and themes in the culture can give hints on how to interpret things (which parsing Classical Chinese does depends a lot on).
I actually think Classical Chinese is less intimidating than other classical languages. Though it is quite an elitist language, it doesn't have all that autistic obsession with precise grammar Latin or Greek has. Just knowing the characters (which I admit there are a lot) and their implications goes a long way towards understanding.
At a certain threshold, things start to click together and makes reading it a lot easier. Or maybe I just watch too read much old crap and watch too much Three Kingdoms . Perhaps studying with a mentor is best.
t. Korean learning Modern and Classical Chinese

>>2623242
True, I don't think Classical Chinese much valued retaining old phonetics.

>>2623495
Loan words mean nothing. Sentence structure and othere Grammer is the root of the thing

>>2623398
But English isn't a romance language. It's proto-Germanic

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>>2627010
>>2627034
t. butthurt Anglo unable to accept that he speaks the most mongrel language in existence

>>2623388
>inafter butthurt bongs

>>2627040
True. Brits just inherently love sucking French cultural dick too much to be trusted with their own linguistic, let alone cultural, preservation. At least Burgers tried to de-retard the spelling system.

Has there ever even been an Academy Real equivalent for the English language?

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this thread is cancer

>>2623733
>it's going down the drain
lol what the fuck does this even mean? let me guess, muh degeneracy right?

>>2623192
There were always regionalisms and when the infra-structure collapsed and trade slowed down these language barriers grew wider because mutual exposure was needed for this língua franca to live.

Why would a Galician need to speak the same language as a Sardinian when these guys would never interact directly and the middlemen would never travel the whole distance between them?

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>>2627079
>U r le creole language!

>No u americunt xD

Brraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

>>2627065
>>2627040
> frenchie crying about his shit language not being lingu franca anymore, bless your soul,
>Brits just inherently love sucking French cultural dick too much to be trusted with their own linguistic.

just remember what language your speaking right now, its certanly not french

>>2623388
Dubs of truth

POOR

GERMANIC

REFUGEES

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>>2627465
>just
>From Middle English juste, from Old French juste
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/just

>remember
>From Middle English remembren, from Old French remembrer
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/remember

>language
>From Middle English language, a borrowing from Old French language
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/language

>certainly
>From Middle English certain, certein, from Old French certain
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/certain#English

>>2627465
>just remember what language your speaking right now, its certanly not french
english is just french badly pronounced

>>2623388
Vocab alone doesn't determine what language family a language is a part of
Good b8 tho

>>2623450
Darmok and Jilad, at Tenagra.

>>2627528
>thinking the origins of words is relevant in any way
there's being ignorant, and there's being ignorant of being ignorant. you're the second one.

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>>2627646
>ignorant
>From Old French ignorant

>>2627582
>>2627528
so the english cucks you so hard, you are forced to say your "own" words incorrectly just to communicate with the rest of the word, well that is just plain sad, poor frenchies

>>2623733
Speak Classical Latin? I thought it was restricted to formal speeches and occasions and literary works.

>>2627743
>can't even speak without french words

lmao

>>2627743
I'm not French, but your reasoning is flawed
Frogs only use English to communicate with other NEETs on this cambodian cartoon forum, while you Anglos use French words everyday when speaking your very own language

>>2627766
sure mate what ever you say just keep talking english that will prove me wrong
>>2628014
bless ya, we use a more refined language, would you rather have iron or steel, clearly, b..b..but ye old french, its old mate, your time has passed, get over it, eternal anglo reins supreme

>>2627034
It's Germanic you mouthbreather

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>>2623388
it's not, here's proof, so now there's no need to come out with such bullshit claims any more

>>2623754
The basic vocabulary has remained largely the same ever since Proto-Uralic which was spoken in 7000–2000 BC
http://tcoimom.suntuubi.com/?cat=14

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>>2628194
Then again, look at what the 100 most used words are
Good luck to make a sentence with that

Fact is that verbs, nouns and adjective (the most important types of words, those that give the sense), it's 50/50 between Germanic and French

That's why you'll hardly ever see any sentence without French words, even though your misleading graph make it seems like French originated words are fancy barely used terms

>>2623787
>French vs. Latin
>lumen vs. lumiere
Nice meme.

>>2628554
>just
Only
>people
folk
>because
since, by way of

You can get along fine without French words, English doesn't need them to function.

>Fact is that verbs, nouns and adjective (the most important types of words,t hose that give the sense)
Actually it's the pronouns and prepositions that are most crucial and which allow the structure of sentences to form. Without that you just have a bunch of content words, lists of things with no coherent relation. English's grammar is Germanic, and that's why its grammar words have remained Germanic.

>>2629287
>Actually it's the pronouns and prepositions that are most crucial and which allow the structure of sentences to form. Without that you just have a bunch of content words, lists of things with no coherent relation.

Wrong
Fact is the most important words to understand a sentence are nounds, verbs and adjectives, not those you posted

For exemple, take this sentence
>I went to the mountain and there was a beautiful lake

Keep only verbs, adjectives and nouns and you get
>went mountain was beautiful lake

Now remove them while keeping the rest and you get
>I to the and there a

Which is the most understandable to you?

>>2629287
Also

>You can get along fine without French words, English doesn't need them to function.

This is absolutly false
Sure you found Germanic synonyms for these three words, but some essential English words have none (for exemple "to use").
Fact is that it requires someone to try very hard to make an English sentence without French word
And doing so for a whole text is basically impossible

>>2628554
French and Latin words are the bricks, Germanic words are the mortar.

>>2623450
I-I understood what you said down at the bottom

>>2623750
Modern Persian dates from around 700CE.

A modern Iranian cannot understand Sassanids writing.

>>2629354
Their is a book in english that is 100% understandable by normal speakers without using any french derived word.
I cant remember the title but its a big book, for you, lingistically so if you look ot up it will come up.

>>2630043
Must have taken the author a huge amount of time and sound very akward
Btw, I wouldnt be surprized if there were still a few French words that had slipped through in

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>>2630043
>>2631189
>Uncleftish Beholding (1989) is a short text written by Poul Anderson. It is written using almost exclusively words of Germanic origin (Anglish), and was intended to illustrate what the English language might look like if it had not received its considerable number of loanwords from other languages, particularly Latin, Greek and French.

>The vocabulary does not completely derive from the Anglo-Saxon word-hoard. Around, from Old French reond (Modern French rond), has completely displaced Old English ymbe (cognate to German um), leaving no native English word for this concept. The text also contains the French-derived rest, ordinary and sort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncleftish_Beholding

tl;dr:
>not a book but a "short text"
>still couldnt manage to completly avoid French words

>>2623388
WRONG

>>2623388
Checked

>>2623192
There were no standardized or formalized language rules back then, like an Oxford dictionary people could refer to, so local dialects took precedence.

>>2627034
It is a romance language, basically

>>2633769
If English is a Romance language, Persian is Semitic and Japanese/Korean are Chinese languages.

>>2633769
English is German with a shit ton of borrowed French words.

>>2634740
English isn't German at all. It's Germanic.

>>2623388
kys

>>2623787
If you speak french you won't understand shit to a hypothetically spoken latin. You can reverse-understand some written forms of latin but without a lot of study you won't be able to read shit in latin.

French derived a lot phonetically speaking from classical latin (aka -50 to +50 ad) and the grammary changed drastically.

>>2624674

As a Dutchman who speaks English, French and German. There is no doubt that Frisian and Dutch are closer to English than to French.

I fucking British wewuzzers.

>>2623237
Chinese can't read stuff from 200 years ago since they don't know the tones in which to pronounce it.
Learn more, it's nothing like Greek where they can read and comprehend the Illiad, for example.

>>2636627
*hate

>I fucking hate British wewuzzers

>>2623192
it didnt, it diversified into all of the romance languages.

>>2623970
>China has a single civilization and they do not
Not at all true. It's Han superimposed on everything in an attempt to erase the local culture and language. Like French being conditionally mandated, wiping out Aquitanian, for example.