Question.

>>2611286
They left because Africa was a shitty place to stay. Egypt and Nubia were lucky to have the Nile as their main water source as well as keep in close promiscuity with nearby civilizations. Genetics also have a play but it's really a combined number of reasons. Also, Ethiopia exists.

>>2611295

>Ethiopia

Eurasian blood.

>>2611320
No.
>>2611286
The formation of agriculture aligns with severe dry periods forcing populations to migrate to water sources and depending on riparian grass and other plant species.

The Sahara is the basis of African Agricultural domestication, that occurred at a different time after Younger Dryas that spurred Eurasian and American crop relations that formed the cultigens we know today.

It occurred about 5-7k years later after the end of the Neolithic Subpluvial from whence pearl Millet, sorghum, rice, Bambara bean, cow pea, pigeon pea, finger Millet, ensete and a host of other cultigens arose.

This of course was also after cattle both local species and Eurasian species formed creating a cattle based agro-pastoralist society connected to cattle cults one of which being found near the Sudanese-Egyptian border Nabta Playa. This created socio-cultural environments that shifted away from just riverine towns and more so mixed use spaces utilizing the vast Sahelian grasslands

>>2611336

>We Wuz Pure Africans

>>2611286
I honestly put the starting of civilization much more up to environmental factors. I know that environmental determination has a bad wrap, but it is a useful form of analyses is some areas. Here the areas themselves are what was write for agriculture not the people. If you want the best example why look at the native meso Americans and why they started so much later than everyone else.

>>2611339
We are predominately Ethio-Somali and Ethiopic two of three back-migrating Afrasian populations that arrived some 30+ kya. This was before the formation of "Arab" or "European" "Middle Eastern"

These proto-Ethio Somali went further and further West and South, which is why all Africans today have pseudo "West Eurasian" ancestry. The proto ES are a splinter of what would become Eurasians and everyone else but they existed as a template with which everyone else formed into the races of today. These people also adapted to more temperate climates and lack the same degree of paleo-African (think half siblings and cousins to Humans) the rest of Africa has.

>>2611356

So what about North Africans (Berbers, Egyptians).

>>2611286
despite humans having come from africa, africa is a pretty shit spot to set up shop, so to speak. a fair amount going against early civilizations there, all things considered.

egypt, nubia, and ethiopia, all had the benefit of being on the nile/near the red sea and thus trade routes, cultural and tech diffusion, etc. nothing to do with blood or ancestry.

>>2611395

> nothing to do with blood or ancestry

> there's only one race the human race goy

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>>2611400
>projecting this hard

>>2611406

Hey there SJW.

>>2611421
not even sjw my man, they are just as bad. throwing out blood or ancestry or whatever meme answer of the day is just sad shit. i mean like there are a ton of decent answers out there, and you picked the thoughtless meme answer.

what the fuck is it about africa that gets both lefties and righties to sperg out immediately?

>>2611382
You're creating a false narrative conflating genetic clusters with genetically variable people.

Yes after ethio-somali and ethiopic there is a third back migration population as I clued above that were North African.

Looking at the available data they are aligned with the populations after the Aterians called the Mecha-Alafou. These people are closely, closely related to Kiffians if we are to take skull measurements seriously.

Regardless, the reconstructions give a rather interesting phenotype that can indeed be seen in Berbers who also contain within them various amounts of (sometimes predominately) West Eurasian, Nilo-Saharan, Niger Congo and ethio-somali components as well.

Above I mentioned the Neolithic Subpluvial. Well that was but the latest of arguably about five in human history. The "Mecha-Alafou" came into being during a previous "greening" and were pushed long ago to the Northwest corner of Africa around the Rif and coast or pushed deep south giving another pseudo "West Eurasian" signal in Africans.

By the time of the Neolithic Subpluvial they spread down, far down to Mali and Niger but maybe further (it gets wetter and bones are more likely to degrade in hot moisture). These people likely came in contact with other people's and as the first phase ended (the Subpluvial had a pause of sorts) they were pushed again from the central sahara to the North, East and South.

By the time the second phase began a new group arose called the Tenerians who were cattle herders and looked much like the Haratin we see today. They met what seems to be Eurasian migrants from Trans-Jordan commingled and by the end of the second phase again went North, South and East.

These people that went south seem to align with Wodaabe for their elder can still note the cave paintings aligning to their ceremonies.

Anyways it's a multilayered and folded mess, interesting if you enjoy human migration as a study but complicated nevertheless.

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WE?

>>2611286
Bo better quesiton is why they was started by descentded of africans and not by non descendens of africans like white people up in nrthe ruope or central asia

>>2611286
Africa causes humans to stay stupid anon.

>>2612090
butbetterque sjiton is why the africans' descendents created civilizationa ndb not the white oeople whi do not come from Africa?

>>2612060

>descentded of africans

Every population out of Africa and loads of North Africans to East Africans descend from migrations out of that continent (and back). Coincidentally the likes of Natufian don't resemble any non- North African population ls genetically.

>>2612108
buthebetterquesiton is if theyw ere cminfg from african we would have found prove by nwo but we din'tthey have hypoerboea in their myths the celts and the greeks talk aboutit white peopl had hypoborea they came from up nortj? or maybe india' I don'tknowbut the africa2ns came before with the idea of civilization mesopotamia too cam fromAfricaa? I say yes

>>2612111

> buthebetterquesiton is if theyw ere cminfg from african we would have found prove by nwo but we din't

Your position isn't accepted in the scientific l community.

> they have hypoerboea in their myths the celts and the greeks talk aboutit white peopl had hypoborea they came from up north.

Not the accepted among actual scienctitists.

> or maybe india' I don'tknowbut the africa2ns came before with the idea of civilization mesopotamia too cam fromAfricaa? I say yes

None of the earliest actual civilizations were made by Basketball Americans. The Natufians show this.

>le Out of Africa theory

Humans originated from Hyperborea, the land in the far north. It's the same as Atlantis. It was the land known today as Doggerland, the area between the UK and mainland Europe. It sank into the sea as sea levels rised. Fishing trawlers have found evidence of human civilization at the bottom of the Dogger bank. That's where the nordic (Aryan) race comes from, niggers from Africa are descendant from subhuman monkeys. The Aryans are of a different breed entirely, they are the ancestors of the modern day Europeans (white people). They lived in Hyperborea in an extremely advanced high-tech civ, this is attested to in several well-known myths (Hesiod, the fall from the Golden age -> Silver Age etc.) It was an age when the people "Lived like Gods, in close contact with the Gods", this is then referring to the high level of advancement of the Hyperboreans of what we today call Doggerland. The hyperboreans are the same as the Cro-magnons, who did NOT come from Africa as we are usually told. Both Neanderthal and Cro-magnon are from this old Aryan homeland, while modern niggers are descended from jungle monkeys.

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http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_oldest_continuously_inhabited_cities

https://infogalactic.com/info/Historical_cities

None done by Niggers.

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Gooks rool, Niggers drools.

>>2612095
Because those humans left Africa 100,000 years ago and mentally evolved in a different manner than the pure african humans other wise known as the niggers and san bushmen.

Even the natives of North Africa descend from a Middle Eastern ancient human race that migrated back into Africa. The strangest thing is why the North Africans like Algerians and Tunisians couldnt be found below Saharan Africa since they did migrate back into Africa in the mid mesolithic era. Just imagine if all of Africa was populated by the North African Caucasoid grouping, that Africa would be have been very abundant in civlizations since these humans are the creators of Egypt, Carthage, and many more civilizations in early history.

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>>2611356
>two of three back-migrating Afrasian populations
you mean West Eurasian. not sure what "Afrasian" means. This is true for all of us Horners, not just ethiopians.

>This was before the formation of "Arab" or "European" "Middle Eastern"
true

>>2611356
>These proto-Ethio Somali went further and further West and South, which is why all Africans today have pseudo "West Eurasian" ancestry
I dont think all Africans have "West Eurasian" ancestry outside of East Africans. I think you're referring to a study in which the results that said that turned out to be mistaken:

http://www.nature.com/news/error-found-in-study-of-first-ancient-african-genome-1.19258

>The proto ES are a splinter of what would become Eurasians and everyone else but they existed as a template with which everyone else formed into the races of today.
that sounds kind of ethiocentric. I dont think ethio-somali is even a real ancestral component; let alone a template for other races. Horners in general are the result of (likely neolithic) mixture between West Eurasians and Dinka-like populations. Tigraynas + Amharas have a bit more mixture from Sabaean influence 2.8-3k years ago.

>http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2014/12/ethio-somali-is-farce.html

>http://anthromadness.blogspot.ae/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html

>>2612190
North Africans are pretty based.

>>2612190
maybe if they werent islamized. today's north africans are arabized and shit-tier.

>>2611295
>promiscuity
you mean proximity?

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep25501

https://elifesciences.org/content/5/e15266

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1002397

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0047765

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Genetic+evidence+of+an+early+exit+of+Homo+sapiens+sapiens+from+Africa+through+eastern+Africa

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0139784

https://www.mpg.de/research/hofmeyr-skull-supports-out-of-africa-theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=oxRAwVKW6MI

>>2612140
woke af

>>2612219
You have no need to correct. I know what I'm talking about.

Afrasians are those that left Africa to populate the world. Paleo-Africans are the populations of homins

All Africans have psuedo-afrasian "West eurasian" ancestry even the Yoruba who have Neanderthal ancestry.

As this post shows all do >>2611441 because of tens of thousands of years of migrations.

Mota (the sample subject) is too late to be representative of the genetics I'm talking about. The whole study is a mess and there is a Somali genetics and archaeological blogger that speaks on it much better than I at this moment (heading to work)

Also don't listen to Anthromadness, he is very much invested in separating Horners from the rest of Africa and his politics and antics on race/genetics/anthropological forums for almost a decade really show his true colors.

The sabeans influence was one of language with only minor genetic contribution. The sabeans themselves have deep ethio-somali roots as seen today in Socotrans, Mehri and other South Arabian Semitic populations whose language shoe clear and recognized Cushitic substratum.

It's important to recognize that the 30k+ year old proto-Ethio Somali component Africans have is not the same as the ethio-somali component of today. They diverged from one another, it's not Ethio centric.

>>2612143
These Natufian are Late stage and in the North. Natufian cultural complexes were not homogenous throughout time and space.

>>2612272
Awww, thanks for posting these anon :)

>>2613071
>Also don't listen to Anthromadness, he is very much invested in separating Horners from the rest of Africa and his politics and antics on race/genetics/anthropological forums for almost a decade really show his true colors.
How so? ive seen a couple of anons say that but I cant find any evidence that he has any political agenda at all. he seems very much apolitical. ive looked through his posts on forums and his blog and I can't find anything that says otherwise. do you have a sauce?

>>2613170
He has been in forums for years, really he is a mess if you've known him for long.

He didn't go by Anthromadness on forums, can't recollect all his different names on them (I stopped before I seriously began my studies) but that is his writing style and blog.

>>2613186
Oh well, I've just seen him rebuke eurocentrics and afrocentrics alike. He even as a post debunking alleged somali arab ties. (his own people) On anthrogenica, he seems very respected. I just can't find any evidence that he has any agenda at all besides where the evidence goes.. what has he posted that makes you say hes a mess or he has an agenda? im not a specialist myself so I appreciate his blog. but if its not what I think it is, I want to know

>>2611286
>Nubia having Eurasian ancestry
NO

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>>2613312
yeah they do dude, its obvious. many are indistinguishable from upper egyptians. at least northern nubians arent. (who roughly correspond with modern north sudanese). southern kushites/nubians were dark nilotics similar to today's south sudanese. "ancient nubia" was a mix of the two types. though the black type was depicted more often by egyptians to better distinguish themselves from their enemies

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>>2613328
and modern nubian

>>2612153

Italians like number 4 on the list for IQ and skin tone? lmfao kys

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>>2613333
and here is a tomb of nubian royalty during their rule. as you can see, they depicted themselves similarly.

>>2613312

They're caucasians, they obviously came from west asia and can't be native africans, despite their skin color.

>>2611320
>>2611286
>say civilizations formed in Africa lagged behind
>when presented with civilizations in Africa that were successful, claim that they had Eurasian blood

why did you ask the question in the first place?

>>2613397

So if I asked for a successful Amerindian state, you'd point to the United States?

because the geography africa makes it a shit place to live, making it harder to develop civilization

>>2613430

No, many parts are well suited to civilization. What held it back primarily is isolation, most ideas are adopted from others, not invented directly. The more contact you have with other centers of civilization, the more technologically developed you will become. The centers of settlement in Africa were often far from any others, and always far from the great hub of Old World civilization, the near east.

>>2613397
but they do? Not op but they exactly do.............

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>>2613397
>claim that they had Eurasian blood
its not a baseless claim, they do have eurasian blood

anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html

>>2613461
That's comparing then between West Eurasian samples and Yoruba, that's not taking into account Mesolithic ancestry we come from

>>2612153
>Sierra Leone, Nigeria, and Uganda

What makes them so special?

>>2611286

Is there a reason your map excludes the development of agriculture in Africa?

>>2613554
Some on here claim it's merely an extention of West Eurasian Agricultural development.

>>2613573

No, there were plants native to West Africa that were domesticated found earlier than imports. They imported all domesticated animals.

>>2611286
This map is forgetting about Anatolia, agriculture was born there too

>>2613580
The first i agree, I was stating a sentiment on here and the second is a "sorta" semi-domestication of local North African cattle was occurring around the same time as West Eurasian cattle.

>>2611286
>Mayans
>Aztecs
>Ancient
>African
Go back to school, kid.

>>2612153
>Eritrea has a higher iq than most of the middle east
lmao

>>2613397
>claim that they had Eurasian blood
Have you seen Ethiopians? They very very clearly are Caucasian/Negro mix

>>2614528
No we have Ethio-Somali and Ethiopic ancestry that is different than the more paleo-african derived West, Central and South Africans.

Ironically the "white features" Europeans speak so fondly of in my home region exist more amongst Somali than Habesha and they have almost no Arab ancestry.

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>>2612153
>Richard Lynn

>inca "civilization"
>didn't even have writing

>>2611348
They started later because they got their later

>>2614997
>he thinks writing is the only requirement to be a civilization.

>>2613333
Looks full nigger to me

>>2615043
When did I say that was the only requirement you fucking retard?

>>2614997
>muh writing
Hey man how's it like studying history in 1850

>>2615116
You implied they weren't a civilization because they didn't have writing.

>>2615118
I wouldn't know, everyone from 1850 is dead.
Fucking idiot

>>2615124
Yes, that doesn't mean it is the "only" requirement

>>2615129
They were a civilization.

>>2615126
Really though?
Bringing up writing as the most important thing when studying a civilization shows that the 19th century historyans are well alive inside of your head.
The incans were a civilization and you should actually start reading books instead of spouting memes in the middle of other people's discussions.

>>2615146
>historians
Fixed

>>2615093
and they are treated like shit because of their Nubian status.

>>2614528
Not really. Like people really don't know how mullatos look at all.

>>2615146
>>2615134
>their argument literal comes down to "it's a civilization because is said so"

>>2614528
Ethiopia has like 50 different ethnicities

>>2615181
You're either retarded or you're baiting, but whatever
Currently a civilization is defined by having actual complex institutions. The incans had a State and all institutions inside it, and so did the Aztecs. The mesopotamians in Ur already had a State, military, irrigation systems and pretty much everything the Sumerians had, but still no writing. Still a civilization.

>>2615202
They hadn't even started fucking history yet, they were still in the God damn Neolithic

>>2611286
you dont have to evolve if your environment stays the same. sub saharan african weather is too stable to require innovation.