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Looks pretty awesome man.

>>2610941
What are some Western martial arts?
Can I get some links my dude?

>>2610967
When it comes unarmed: Pankration, boxing/pugilism, and Greco-Roman wrestling come to mind. Very practical skills.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_European_martial_arts

>>2610967
Boxing, wrestling (including the hundred of folk styles), and fencing. Western martial arts aren't obscure; they're the most common martial arts, it's just that most people don't think of them like that. Savate also exists, but isn't very widespread, and HEMA is gaining more of a foothold.

>>2610982
Western martial arts are some of the most practical and intricate arts to come about. Your footwork, balance, and coordination must be excellent. Way better than some meme oriental styles where you pretend to channel your chi or some shit.

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>>2610967
if you like fencing but want something that still feels like real fighting, look at singlestick

and of course Marquess of Queensberry Boxing is a very clear typified martial art.

Dambe seems pretty based. Some sort of African kickboxing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dambe
"The primary weapon is the strong-side fist. The strong-side fist, known as the spear, is wrapped in a piece of cloth covered by tightly knotted cord. Some boxers dip their spear in sticky resin mixed with bits of broken glass"
"The primary weapon is the strong-side fist. The strong-side fist, known as the spear, is wrapped in a piece of cloth covered by tightly knotted cord. Some boxers dip their spear in sticky resin mixed with bits of broken glass"

>>2611043
"The lead leg is often wrapped in a chain, and the chain-wrapped leg is then used for both offense and defense. The unwrapped back leg can also be used to kick"

>>2610941
You could check out silat
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silat

Much of the choreography from the raid and the raid 2 is silat. Fantastic movies but as far as practicality goes it's meme tier trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzHiBbgoqv8

And people say the Star Wars prequels have too many flips and jumps

>>2610967
Savate is French version of kickboxing.

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>>2610941
Iranic and Turkish cultures practice wrestling.

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>>2612611
In a related note, Iranic cultures have a traditional gym/martial arts school that goes back (supposedly) to the Achaemenid period called Zurkaneh (literally: the house of strength). Much of its exercise regimes are geared for the noble members of the Savaran (Cavalry, but more like a knighthood) to train them in weapons handling: like weighted clubs to condition arms for swords and maces and steel bows to develop draw strength. It also has oil wrestling.

>>2610941
Indians and middle eastern people have some martial arts of their own, but I'm mostly curious about american (as in the continent) and african martial arts. Anyone?

>>2610941
The Zulu practice some sort of spear art.

>>2610982
They dont think of them as martial arts because they are mostly trained as sports.

Ill grant you that boxing and wresting still have alot of real world application, and have even been used as part of military training, making them "martial" but modern fencing is so far divorced from actual swordsmanship that its hardly worth mentioning

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Dambe seems kind of interesting.

>>2610941
There is hardly a place on earth that didn't produce some style of grappling. Most produced a stick fighting art as well.

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Does anyone have any information about "Pygmachia" - classical Greek boxing? I've heard conflicting things on the rules. Some saying that kicks were allowed while others saying only fists (and that kicks were instead allowed in Pankration) and that you were allowed/expected to keep punching a knocked down opponent until they gave up, couldn't continue or die.

Anyone have info on ancient Greek boxing?

>>2612709
I know a only a little, there is a statue in the Vatican of a famous roman match, one guy strikes another with a flat hand, jabing into his armpit. According to history the blow was fatal.

Its the kind of thing you would expect to find in old-style Okinawan Karate rather than western boxing, but it seems that they might have had similar knowledge of striking vulnerable spots to deliver a critical or fatal blow

>>2612655
>They dont think of them as martial arts because they are mostly trained as sports.
So are Judo, BJJ, Muay Thai, Tae Kwon Do, most styles of Karate, and many other popular martial arts. The sportified, modern versions martial arts are all much more common than the "martial' versions (with the exception of shit like Krav Maga and Systema, I guess). All martial arts that are usually seen as effective are trained as sports because it allows for more lively practice than the ones that just rely on forms. The only difference with western arts is that their ubiquity and more readily accepted status as sports makes them seem less exotic to most people.

>>2612725
That's interesting. Yeah it seems like they used a variety different types of hand strikes and, from all sources I've seen, didn't do a lot of evasive moving like modern boxing. It seems more like two guys standing in front of each other and literally trying to beat the other to death or into submission with your hands/fists and the only defense seems to be blocking. This may be entirely wrong, but it really seems like the norm wasn't to duck and weave or circle around much.

>>2612748
I wrote a long reply but accidentally deleted it. In broad strokes your right. I love modern grappling arts and MMA.

my only caveat is "All martial arts that are usually seen as effective" isn't all worth training in. There are still wonderful schools of kenjutsu and classical jujutsu. There are still some really strong ICMA teachers. Its about time these arts stopped being defined by their lowest common denominator

>>2612725

Why did western martial arts die out

>>2612908
They didn't, what makes you say that?

>>2612912
The vast majority did

>>2612912

Then what style was the Roman guy using, and where can I learn it?

>>2612922
No they didn't. Boxing, fencing, and greco-roman wrestling are the most common arts you can find. Pretty much eveywhere you can find a school, university, community center, or gym that teaches at least one of those. And there are still dozens of folk wrestling styles people still practice, in addition to stuff like Savate that's still around.

>>2612925
You can't learn an Asian art that was used thousands of years ago, either. Martial arts evolve; even most Asian arts, which most people think about as ancient and very traditional, are pretty modern in the forms they exist in today.

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>>2610941
Escrima/Kali/Arnis is one of the most popular SEA martial arts.

>>2612951
those are only a very small amount of what was once a much richer martial arts scene in Europe even two hundred years ago.

>>2612642
There are some spear and stick fighting systems in Africa, and i am sure some indigenous forms of grappling

Gatka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatka

Gatka was invented by Sikhs to defend themselves against Muslims and Hindus. Honestly, it's kinda terrifying, but you get to learn how to use a Bagh Naka, and those are hardcore as hell!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagh_naka

It was also used in a usually lethal bloodsport called "Claw Wrestling" where two Indian dudes got really high and tried to stab each other with metal claws.

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KINO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02pFkjQ5vPo
KINK

>>2614381
>381
Ogawa ryu is a fake lineage created by some westerner. its technquies and training methods are all guess work by its creator.

here are some legitimate practitioners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKkvQjzrbx8

There are many techniques in hojojutsu, but most of them assume the arrestie is cooperating. You used different knots based on the persons social rank. There is only one or two techniques that can be applied on a resisting opponent.