How can people still be Christian in this day and age? >world

>>2610348
A global flood did happen thousands of years ago. This is undeniable fact.

>christcuck starts dumping copypasta in 3... 2... 1...

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muh personal god

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>>2610354
p-proofs?

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>>2610348
childhood indoctrination

>>2610348
I´m not a christian but floods did happen; however, not in the scale as interpreted in the bibble.(Wiping all humanity).

>>2610348
>How can people still believe Abrahamic religion in this day and age?
FTFY

>>2610417
>I´m not a christian but floods did happen
No shit. Floods are the most lethal natural disaster. They kill fuckloads of people and destroy huge swathes of settled land on a fairly regular basis.

>>2610426
By being born Jewish.

A combination of feeling some sort of personal connection to something "beyond" and chasing after a philosopher's god (which certainly wouldn't be the Abrahamic God, but none the less many philosophers have tried to fit that square peg into that round hole).

The latter is part of why I like Spinoza as much as I do, since he builds a philosopher's God that isn't just an excuse to justify an already established theology.

>>2610427
In fact many floods are related to religions around the world.

>>2610409
i die everytim

>>2610384
Bodies of water exist even though they don't connect to the ocean. The Caspian Sea is proof of this.

>>2610450
Spinoza's doctrine is essentially natura naturans, nature doing nature as well as his answer/cop out to the prime mover question. Which is not wrong, he was just forced to entertain the autism of his time. It's just the most benign form of deism out there, which is nice.

>>2610483
So salt lakes are direct proof of god then? I see.

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>>2610483
wtf I love abraham now

>>2610348
You're wrong on every aspect.

>>2610348
By not being a literalist and adopting it as a spiritual and philosophical framework that evolves like everything else.

What I'm curious about is how atheists can obtain the sense of community and spiritual meaning that is conveyed by religion. Every atheist I've ever met has either been a narcissistic hedonist or in a permanent state of existential despair.

>>2610491
Yes, you finally see it. Salt Lake City was also the garden of eden.

>>2610491
I don't think they were implying, I think they were just trying to say a flood happened.

>>2610504
You're no better than an atheist. Heathen.

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Gospel of John is the best one IMO. It starts off asserting that jesus is god and has the most anti-semitic stuff in it.

>>2610409
pic made me chuckle

10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building on it. Each builder must choose with care how to build on it. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one that has been laid; that foundation is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 the work of each builder will become visible, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each has done. 14 If what has been built on the foundation survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If the work is burned up, the builder will suffer loss; the builder will be saved, but only as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

18 Do not deceive yourselves. If you think that you are wise in this age, you should become fools so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written,

“He catches the wise in their craftiness,”
20 and again,

“The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise,
that they are futile.”
21 So let no one boast about human leaders. For all things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all belong to you, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

>>2610348

Some people literally feel a "presence" all the fucking time.

You know when you perceive someone walking behind you without seeing or hearing them? Imagine if you had that feeling 24/7.

So then these people grab friends and family to a church to worship what the people think the presence is.

>>2610348
don't worry, islam will soon overtake christianity as the most popular religion in the world while atheism declines

>not a tenant of christian faith
>not a tenant of christian faith
>not a tenant of christian faith
>not a tenant of christian faith
>not a tenant of christian faith
>not a tenant of christian faith/ and or misinterpretation on your part
>Heresy

>>2610504
I simply hang out with my christian friends. I don't bring it up, and when they talk about it, normally I just shrug and take a sip of that good ol southern sweet tea. The south is real nice.

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>>2610513
Here's your (You)
Either fedora LARPer or pic related

>>2610504
>What I'm curious about is how atheists can obtain the sense of community and spiritual meaning that is conveyed by religion. Every atheist I've ever met has either been a narcissistic hedonist or in a permanent state of existential despair.


Simple, I live in Europe. Nobody gives a shit about religion and is de facto atheist. Religion is never an issue. If you need community, do join a club or whatever.

>>2610520
And?

>>2610504

They're atheists because they suck at probability theory and set theory.

They're afraid to simulate the infinite range of actions and psychologies that could "urge" a god-like being. All the arguments about benevolence is fucking retarded because it assumes that the purpose of the universe is to turn one into a safe sheep for one's limited perspective.

I'm agnostic because I don't know enough to say a God does or doesn't exist. But I know enough about human beings that most of them are faggots who don't care about "truth" as opposed to social harmony and comfort.

No awareness of higher hedonics (that a life dipping, and rising, between rock bottom and skyscraper heights satisfies our need for victory and defeat).

>>2610525
>not MY christian faith
>not MY christian faith
>not MY christian faith
>not MY christian faith
>not MY christian faith
>Literally not MY christian faith

Europe here, I think overly religions people are somewhat considered mentally ill here. I don't care about god(s) and don't think the concept makes much sense. What does that make me? Agnostic? Atheist?

>>2610570

to be honest, your troll thread was poorly researched

>>2610546
I'm sorry. I just hope you realize the literalism of the south is pretty unique in the world right now and is destroying the potential that Christianity could have as a system of spirituality and community.

>>2610552
I think we need a revitalized Christianity to stop the rise of quasi-religious political ideologies like communism and fascism that have become prolific in the post-Christian West.

What values or things give you meaning in your life?

>>2610348
>jesus never claimed to be God in the synoptic gospels, biblical critics universally deem the gospel of john unhistorical
Way to blow your cover, Muslim. Why, then, did the Jewish high priests want Him killed for blasphemy? Oh, right, for proclaiming through Word and act that He is God incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Virgin Mary. Learn context.

>>2610584
>What values or things give you meaning in your life?

Unfortunately, I believe that, barring massive environment disaster or nuclear war,both genetically enhanced humans and AI will have the intelligence to attempt a 'revaluation of values".

Intelligence allows for finer moral calculation and distinction.

>>2610584
>the rise of quasi-religious political ideologies like communism and fascism t
Last time I checked the commies made around 0.6% of votes, the faschos around 0.8%, so much for their "rise". Christinaity is simply dead here and likely will not make a renaissance.
Family, friendship, the honor and moral code my parents taught me, such things give me meaning.

>>2610504
>>jesus predicted the apocapylse would happen in the lifetime of his disciples
>>jesus never claimed to be God in the synoptic gospels, biblical critics universally deem the gospel of john unhistorical

These have been academic consensus for a century now.

The other things, I guess aren't technically official tenants of the Christian faith but the fact that you won't find a single Christian denying them before the 18th century and that them all turning out to be false caused a huge uproar makes it hard to believe they weren't intended to be taken literally.

>>2610611
meant to quote >>2610581

>>2610614

doesn't change anything, the myths of barbarian peoples are always going to have a lot of tall tales, I couldn't care less

>>2610348
Last I checked, the Catholic Church up and said "yeah, most of the early books are all metaphors".

>jesus predicted the apocapylse would happen in the lifetime of his disciples
Like, 90% of the stuff Jesus said was some sort of complex metaphor that could be interpreted in a dozen different ways. Was he talking about their souls? Was he referring to Pentecost? Was it the return of his physical self or just his influence?

>biblical critics universally deem the gospel of john unhistorical
Define "unihstorical".

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>>2610348
Because not everyone agrees with your false presuppositions, and the biblical evidence is overwhelming.
http://archive.is/dnM8C

>>2610624
what the fuck i'm a christian now

>>2610594
Source for stats? As popular movements both enjoy considerable support, as is the case with utopian politics in general.

If your family and friends were suddenly no longer in the picture, would your life be worth maintaining? Does the moral code you've established transcend the natural world and give you a sense of spiritual meaning?

>>2610611

your claiming that Jesus never said he was God is so much hogwash

>>2610639
Like last election results? And like religion has been btfo long time ago, and guess what people did not turn to communism or fascism, they just did not replace religion with anything.

You mean if I had no social network no more? No idea, I guess nobody would like that. And yes, my moral codes to transcend, however it doesn't give me spirituality, which for some reason I don't seem to miss.

>>2610656
Election results of what?

Religion clearly has not been btfo, even after coerced atheism in Eastern Europe and in China people turn to religion to fulfil a deeper sense of existential meaning that is not met by the material world.

Your moral codes would be a subjective social construct by your logic. I would argue your lack of need for spirituality comes from living a life of material comfort that was unknown to our ancestors, and that this lifestyle tends to collapse one way or another when one experiences a crisis.

>>2610587
Quote of the verse where he says so?

>>2610686
So literally spirituality is a comforting delusion then.

>>2610587
>the Jewish high priests want Him killed for blasphemy

>believing this in 2017

>>2610486
Sort of, nature is an expression of that prime mover underneath it all. So he's not looking at the trees, rocks, and animals and saying "yes, this is God."

My main problem with Spinoza's project is that he lays his own moral hangups on top of the concept, when there's no reason to think such a being would privilege any form of morality.

Honestly, my biggest problem with all Gods built on logical reasoning is that they assume logic is good for understanding anything but logic, or that nature and God must abide by human standards of logic. In its history, logic has only been proven capable of understanding truly only logic, and the only things it's been completely useful for are things designed around it (I.E. some subsets of philosophy and computation). But nature is not designed around logic, and there's no reason to think God would be either.

>>2610584
>I think we need a revitalized Christianity to stop the rise of quasi-religious political ideologies like communism and fascism that have become prolific in the post-Christian West.

You historically illiterate dipshit. Several fascist governments were closely intertwined with Christianity.

People have this weird idea that Christianity is some sort of sure-fire means to prevent people form engaging in tribalism or ever experiencing existential despair, it's stupid and baseless.

>>2610504

>Can I interpret the Bible for myself?

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of those who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; 21 for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools; 23 and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

>>2610841
>the authors of the bible anticipated that people would disagree with them
>this just proves its true

So if I write an article, I just have to include a caveat of "PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE WITH ME, BUT THIS JUST PROVES ME MORE RIGHT" and that will make it more true? Marvelous.

>>2610354
Um, you're wrong, the global flood happened in 1347, this is undeniable fact.

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Because I have faith and because the supernatural is pretty obviously real. I think it's daffy to deny the latter point, really.

>>2610348
>ignoring the format of the Old Testament
Next you'll tell me the prodigal son didn't exist

>>2610824
>preventing people being in tribes
What is refining anger
Also the pope only signed with the pope to stop communism which he saw as the greater evil

>>2610348
>Science and tecnology
Top kek.

>>2610483
>what are glaciers
>what is rain

>>2610348
But They wuz allegorical and shit!

>>2611623
>I don't know KS2 geography and biology

>>2610520
God didn't real
- 4:20 book of stuff

Undeniable proofs! It was written!

>>2610624
>biblical evidence

My goosebumps books might as well be evidence too.

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>>2610577
It makes you think you're smarter than all of your ancestors combined. Which you're not. And you are rapidly being displaced by people who you consider mentally ill, but also want to kill you in a lot of cases, but you think you can control them and make them work for you and keep the economy growing so you can keep all your nice socialistic goodies. Unless you get killed or raped or something. Because the State and The Economy are your new gods. You worship self and Mammon.

And this is what happens when you take Christ out of the town square.

>>2611822
Funny that the huge-ass circle in Germany is still just 6% of the population, despite 60 years of Muslim immigration (1958, first Turkish guest workers under Adenauer; 1961, huge treaty between Germany and Turkey).

Displacement is just a meme. Also, at its extreme in modern times, people just blanda upp anyways.

>>2611822
>a reactionary is calling people out for thinking others are inferior
>automatically assuming your opponent is a socialist
How much oil is in that burger's spots?

>>2610504
>not being a literalist

Kys

>>2611853
>despite 60 years of Muslim immigration
Nothing even remotely as massive as what's happening now. And, they were turks fresh from ataturk's reign

>>2612041
Kill yourself, KILL yourself and go to hell you retarded fuck, I was taught that it's allegorical since I was like 8 or before, even fucking ancient Hebrews knew it was mostly allegorical

>>2612071
>even fucking ancient Hebrews knew it was mostly allegorical
thats a step too far. the whole "literalism is new, everyone knew it was allegorical up until recently" is kind of a meme. Though there is some truth to protestantism dialing up the literalism though

>>2610511
T. Hiram Brigham-Smith

>>2610552
>Simple, I live in Europe. Nobody gives a shit about religion and is de facto atheist. Religion is never an issue. If you need community, do join a club or whatever.
this is why you're being demographically destroyed. left-wing ideology is Europe's new religion

>>2610504
I get my sense of community from my community, not by pretending I have a relationship with a supernatural being.

>>2610824
>People have this weird idea that Christianity is some sort of sure-fire means to prevent people form engaging in tribalism or ever experiencing existential despair, it's stupid and baseless.
not him but I would argue that Christianity has historically been one of the most effective and efficient ways to address both of those things for the masses.

>>2612079
No, it's not a meme, read a book, ancient rabbis said it was allegorical, or at least use the internet for fuck's sake:

>Allegorical interpretation has its origins both in Greek thought and in rabbinical schools of Judaism.

>>2612079
No, it's not a meme, read a book, ancient rabbis said it was allegorical.

Read before refuting an argument, or at least use the internet for fuck's sake:

>Allegorical interpretation has its origins both in Greek thought and in rabbinical schools of Judaism.

>>2612089
>>2612091
Which book?

>>2612064
>Nothing even remotely as massive as what's happening now.
What number are you basing the "what's happening now" on?
What's important is the persistence rate, which we cannot even know of the "now", if by that you mean the refugee crisis since 2015. Of the ~900k Turkish guest workers from the 60s, half stuck around.

>And, they were turks fresh from ataturk's reign
What the fuck are you talking about? Ataturk had been dead for almost 3 decades by then.

>>2612097
Treatise on First Principles, by Origen of Alexandria

>>2612091
Well thats mostly a middle-ages era innovation (a great one in my opinion). You're referring to kabbalah and other exegesis. However, the ancient israelites who wrote the scriptures were certainly literalists.

>>2610348
>john not historical
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_Library_Papyrus_P52
>literal oldest book in the bible
Stop watching zeitgeist

>>2612071
I'm sure the crusades were just a meme.

>>2610348
>world isn't 6000 years old
We can't know for sure. Besides, that's not relevant to Christian belief.
>adam and eve didn't exist
They might have existed as the first two apes to be granted spirit. Or they are simply a symbol for all humanity.
>global flood never happened
Big floods did happen. A literal flood covering the whole planet is also not something that is necessary to believe in. The whole story is prefiguring Christ and the Church.
>exodus never happened
Yes, it did.
>moses didn't write the torah
Yes, he did.
>jesus predicted the apocapylse would happen in the lifetime of his disciples
Not quite.
>jesus never claimed to be God in the synoptic gospels, biblical critics universally deem the gospel of john unhistorical
Nonsense.

>>2610348
Almost all of your "arguments" could apply to Judaism too, yet you're only criticizing Christianity.

JIDF confirmed.

>>2612251
>Although Rylands P52 is generally accepted as the earliest extant record of a canonical New Testament text,[4] the dating of the papyrus is by no means the subject of consensus among scholars. The original editor proposed a date range of 100-150 CE;[5] while a recent exercise by Pasquale Orsini and Willy Clarysse, aiming to generate consistent revised date estimates for all New Testament papyri written before the mid-fourth century, has proposed a date for P52 of 125-175 CE.
We don't need to make up evidence for John's age to be Christians, comon.

>>2612304
>implying it's not Islam
Falseflagger spotted

>>2610711
Possibly, but one that confers positive benefits for the individual and for society in contrast to existential despair.

>>2610824
Fascism used Christianity but in a syncretic way with fascist philosophy. In fascism, there was always a sort of national creation myth and racialist philosophy that was forcefully fused to Christianity by the state; we can stop that from happening by maintaining freedom of speech and religion in our society. Christianity is by no means a panacea because of our animal nature, but it has potential to be a force for good in our society through the memetic altruism at its core.

>>2612978
Christianity isn't a philosophy that engenders altruism.

It is a permanent transformation that includes the indwelling presence of the Breath of God, the Holy Spirit, within us.

It is his power to do what he does that you see through us, at our best (paradoxically at our weakest).

The bible warns against people who have the form of the religion, but deny its power.

>>2610624
I wish Christians didn't feel the need to lie to defend their faith. One would imagine the ultimate truth would stand on its own.

>>2612091
Name 1 (one) person who denied the things OP mentioned before the 18th century.

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>>2613002
>It is a permanent transformation that includes the indwelling presence of the Breath of God, the Holy Spirit, within us.

Scientific evidence for this phenomenon? Seems spooky.

>>2613198
What branch of science dissects God?

>>2613014

You think the devil, the father of lies, doesn't exist? Doesn't act? Doesn't have you in his pocket?

>>2612091
>ancient rabbis

The ones who missed the coming of their messiah?

>>2613215
>the devil exists

>>>/x/
this is a history and anthropology board, dude

>>2613212
Psychology?

>>2613227
>& humanities

>>2610348
Christianity just consist of thinking that Jesus is the son of God, which is totally wrong.

>>2610348
Its just practical I mean if you don't bieleve in god. Who created the world. What is my meaning. And who decides whats right or wrong. For me its just easy to bielive in god.

>>2612295
Fuck yes we can know the earth is older than 6 thousand years. To begin with we have evidence of human civilization before that.

>>2610348
>>world isn't 6000 years old
No one believes this besides some pretty whackjobs in the Midwest.
Fucking end this meme and yourself.

>>2610624
>The Bible
>The Sun revolves around Earth and not the other way

I can cherry pick too, it has been done, many, many times, there is a gigantic infograph about all the contradictions in the Bible, don't go that way, you are in the path of fundamentalists.

Science is not made up of Dogmas as much as the one who made that image may want to believe he meant, also because the same guy said so himself, research can refine knowledge, theories are elaborated and dismantled or improved.
Atomism came about around the 6th and 5th century BCE, which means it predates Jesus Christ and the bible, and

>Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Is Nostradamus level of shady, it could be spun in many ways to appeal to one's argument.

>The Earth was a flat disk
The Field of science has many names working under it, Newton still believed in Alchemy, should we say then "Science said that Alchemy was a thing thus they are wrong forever"?
Some scientists also thought that washing hands was not needed when performing surgeries, or that vaccines cause autism, just like some fundamentalist believe that we should treat women as second class citizen and kill all non believers.
Pitagora first suggested, based on his observation of the Moon that Earth was likely a sphere, again this is 500 years before Christ.

>>2614380
For me, it's the McChicken.

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>>2610348
>>world isn't 6000 years old
>>adam and eve didn't exist
>>global flood never happened

Being literalist is a sign of autism dude.

>>exodus never happened

It did. Archaeological evidence shows there were no Jews in Palestine, then they started making inroads.

>>moses didn't write the torah

People only started saying that later on.

>>jesus predicted the apocapylse would happen in the lifetime of his disciples

Repeating things you've read on reddit doesn't make it true.

>>jesus never claimed to be God in the synoptic gospels,

No, you're missing the point. Jesus never said directly "I am God", He said it indirectly by referencing the Old Testament.

>>biblical critics universally deem the gospel of john unhistorical

Hahaha, no. "A" biblical critic said that around a century ago but that meme died instantly when we found a copy of John dating to the late first century.

>>2615132
>The Bible explicitly outlines how the universe was created in Genesis
>Modern science ascertains that the universe formed over a period of billions of years
>No no no, it wasn't LITERALLY created like in Genesis!

>The Bible explicitly outlines exactly how the natural world was formed by God's holy word
>Modern science ascertains such ideas as evolution, germ theory, and the concept of atoms, each of which are quite effective in explaining how the world functions on both micro and macro scales
>No no no, the Bible never says God LITERALLY created man out of whole cloth, all the animals of the forest, and the fish of the sea!

>The Bible explicitly outlines how Jesus died on the cross and later was resurrected, after which he proceeded to heaven
>Every indication of reality suggests this is impossible, from our own eyes to our own sciences to our own gut feelings; it is a claim that cannot be supported without overwhelming evidence
>...

Care to fill in that last blank? I'm not sure what to believe.

>>2615203
>>Modern science ascertains such ideas as evolution, germ theory, and the concept of atoms, each of which are quite effective in explaining how the world functions on both micro and macro scales

There is absolutely nothing about this that prevents the world from bending to God's will. One might argue that the universe's order is just another sign that it has a master.

>>2615232
Why should I take the New Testament literally but the Old Testament figuratively?

>>2615252
You don't take all aspects of the Old Testament figuratively, just a few. There's no reason to take Exodus figuratively, for example.

>>2612083
You are talking as if U.S.A is an homogeneous country, without different ethnicities living together when in reality it is an immigrant country and has always been.

>>2615262
>You are talking as if U.S.A is an homogeneous country
It is, you retarded amerifat.

>>2615259
>reason

Hahaha, it's the literal Word of God, you fool. Do you think the divinely inspired orators and later scribes of the text intended for you to take Exodus and Genesis figuratively? Do you think God Himself intended for you to take Exodus and Genesis figuratively?

There is as much evidence for the Exodus as there is for Jesus's resurrection. Why the hypocrisy, unless you're trying to undermine God's divinity in favor of your own "logical, reasonable" interpretation?

>>2615232
A retard can make an argument out of anything. You didn't mean to say a valid argument, did you?

>God's will is THIS
"well actually it seems to have happened this other way"
>Yea that's what I meant to say! That's the way God willed it!

And this whole cycle repeats to the point where God's will has retreated entirely from reality to the realm of unfalsifiable metaphysics.

>>2615279
It's not.

Religion and spirituality have a use, but their use is in guidance and direction, not literally believing in a giant sky daddy or a lighting flinging playboy who lives on top of a mountain.

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>this entire thread

>>2615337
Until God does something wondrous, of course.

>>2610348
At least Christianity was reformed, unlike the goatfuckers of Islam.

>>2610348
I don't believe in Christianity, I'm agnostic. But I don't hate them either, I need them to help me stop faggotory and fluid genders degeneracy.

>>2610504
Every Christian """community""" I've found is made of old people and a few autistic teenagers and is as sad as you can possibly get.

t. Brit

>>2610348
Easy, they don't care about reality or scientific facts.

>>2610504
>By not being a literalist and adopting it as a spiritual and philosophical framework that evolves like everything else.


By literally saying I do not believe in gods word literally ?

I mean .... it's gods word who are you to say okay lets take this part literally but not this.

pathetic. your mindset is pathetic and reveals how weak your position is.

>>2616305
>By literally saying I do not believe in gods word literally ?
That would be the core tenet of Christianity, yes.

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>OP's picture
While there is evidence for permanent settlements in Sumeria as early as 6000 BC, cuneiform didn't emerge as a writing system until 3000 BC, with the Kish tablet exemplifying proto-writing dating to about 3500 BC. They could have at least done some basic research before making a smug article like that.

>>2610584
>I think we need a revitalized Christianity to stop the rise of quasi-religious political ideologies like communism and fascism that have become prolific in the post-Christian West.

And I think educating people on why communism and fascism are retarded is a better idea than to force people to adhere to a third retarded all encompassing ideology.

>>2616691
Why is communism retarded, anon?

why the fuck would you want to debate such an uninteresting theme, this does nothing. To defeat God and christians you need to attack the implications of his supposed existence or the core values

>>2611133
No, it's just another lie from the pit of hell that you believe in. If you mean AD, you're an absolute idiot, and if you mean BC, congratulations, you just drowned all of the Israelites in the Promised Land.

>>2610348

3991 BC is 13 years after the creation of the universe.

No way Cain's people occupied Sumer in any meaningful way yet.

Unless you propose that 2 year old Cain killed 1 year old Abel, and then started a city away from his parents.

>>2617495
Yes, let's put together a plan to defeat the Almighty God.

Surely that will be possible!

Let's see, we just have to get around his eternal nature, his omnipotence, his omnipresence and his omniscience.

Any ideas to do any of that, you stupid fuck?

>>2610348
But nothing wrong with muslims doing the same, huh, cuck?

>>2617532
I'm actually on your side, the idea of God is unbeatable and only evil wants to destroy what is good. I was telling OP that trying to prove adam and eve didn't exist or the flood never happened is meaningless, like that is going to destroy Christianity or something, if he wants to actually disprove Christianity he needs to defeat the idea of God and that's impossible.

>>2617532
Of course.

I am the universe, I am the arbiter of all objectively correct good and evil, and beyond all else I have faith. Therefore God a shit.

>>2616691
> force
No
> cultural revival of Christian spirit to overcome the vulgar materialism and hedonism of the post-Christian West?
Yes

>>2617574
>HURR if you don't condemn all morons at once then you can't criticise any morons at all!

Yeah, no. You want to cry about muh mudslums? Go make a thread about it.

>>2616305
>implying the Bible is the literal word of God
Nice presupposition you have there, unfortunately it's unbelievable to the vast majority of people including most biblical scholars. Christianity has to evolve as a spiritual system or it will die

>>2617604
Yes, let's pick and choose what parts of the bible are real because we like them, and what parts are fake because we don't!

Another outstanding plan!

>>2617628
Oh, Universe, I have some very bad news for you.

You're about to be obliterated by fire.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

You had a great 6000 year run though! Congrats!

(You fucking idiot.)

>>2616106
The good thing about Christianity is at has always been there to "wash the feet" of those whom society at large deems worthless; old people and socially inept teenagers are such folks, and it does a world of good for them. I'm one of the few younger people at my Church and it gives me a sense of meaning and community that I won't find elsewhere, plus Anglicanism is aesthetic af.

>>2617645

Wow, if only there were some sort of spirit, some conscious spirit, maybe from the creator of this universe, that had no problem speaking to each and every single human being ever conceived.

Wouldn't that be nice!

>>2617669
I don't see anything in there about burning up RIGHT NO---aaaaa

>>2617678
Too many "a"s. Actually, any "a"s would be too many.

When I died, I didn't even notice it.

>>2617670
ok

But I'd personally rather run my head into a sticking out nail.

Also Anglicanism is the least aesthetic denomination. Even Quakers have that whole "what are you talking about we don't have an aesthetic" aesthetic.

>>2617669
Red giant bro

>>2617692
high church is aesthetic, combine with neo-gothic architecture and you've got it made bro

>>2610483
that`t was stupid anon.

>>2617708
High Church is aesthetic, but don't pretend the half-hearted whimper of a fart that is Anglicanism has an aesthetic High Church. And neo-gothic is more aesthetic when it's atheist, or, better yet, nihilist.

Plus most Anglicanism is carried out in shitty brick boxes of buildings with acoustic guitar music and a dusty organ.

Even Calvinism's got it better brah

Proselytic Christianity was a mistake. I'm tired of new age Christians trying to play God's prophet and deify the spiritual content of Christian theology. God is not a watchman of an ant farm and Jesus is not God.

>>2617696
Nope.

He who holds all things together is going to let go.

>>2610348
>How can people still be Christian in this day and age?

Is Jesus still God?

Did Jesus still rise from the dead?

Those things will never change?

That's how.

>muh we're so much smarter than people used to be fallacy

>>2612295
troglodyte identified

>>2612087
Got some proof?

>>2618051
>What is history.

>>2618014
No
No
They never were in the first place, we're just not foolishly credulous enough to buy them enmass anymore..

>>2618058
>I have no proof

Good show.

>>2617519
You're a retard, there have been civilizations before 6000 BC and they didn't write anything about this flood. Also the Israelites were just metaphorical beings used to tell Gods story.

>>2610348
>How can people still be Christian in this day and age?
>>world isn't 6000 years old

Etc.

You are confusing "Christian" with "fundamentalist Christian." But you knew that...

>>2618063
Oh, how cute. You think your opinion effects reality.

I guess you'll just have to learn the truth after you die.

>>2618066
>What is History, posted by Anon on /his/.

>>2618231
There were none, and every ancient civilization wrote of Noah's flood.

>I don't believe historical records.
>I post unironically on /his/.

>>2618249
Not proof.

>>2618254
wow so people like you really exist huh

>>2618254
I'm Jewish by the way, you best stop being ignorant before I command God to smite you.

>>2610483
>What was the ice age

>>2618247
Oh look, he thinks if he asserts something hard enough it becomes true.

>>2610611
>jesus never claimed to be God in the synoptic gospels

Literal demon speak

>>2618488
If you're not willing to actually discuss the subject matter, shut the fuck up.

>>2610348
The Bible could be referring to our time period being 6000 years old. Also, keep in mind that ancient writings fuck around with words like "day", "year" and the like.
Global flood seems pretty likely, actually.
All I got.

>>2611822
Except christians are the greatest cucks here who want to keep the borders completely open and take in everyone. You know nothing burger. Stop embarassing yoursel.f

>>2618504
Gag on my dick you fucking loser, you've been proved wrong multiple times in the thread yet still you prate like a jackass. Sit down if you don't want to contribute anything meaningful.

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>>2610348

>>2610409
I assume this pic is meant to be Anti-American but it doesn't make any sense

As a non-American person who believes in Creation, it only makes me love America more. Truly the GOAT country

>>2619592
sry for namefagging, forgot to turn it off

>>2619548
>you've been proved wrong multiple times in the thread
Where?

>>2610417
what is the end of the ice age?

>>2620837
The time when the Flood happened?

If we're working in ages of the Earth for the timeline of Genesis, then it stands to reason that the sinful civilization that the Flood is meant to wipe out occurs during the Ice Ages, during the very early days of man. Thus, the Flood occurs at the end of the Ice Age, and Genesis remains an account of the deep history of the human race.

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>>2610348
Only protestants believe the Earth is 6000 years old. Mockery like this is what happens when you have morons interpreting the Bible but is okay because everybody is a priest according to Martin Luther

>>2610483
Falseflag sh*tposter

there is proof of the flood, the sphinx has water marks from torrential rains.

>>2620877
Give me one credible source in the scientific community that claims the flood in the book of Genesis happened.

>>2620865
Origen believed the Earth was 6000 years old, see Contra Celsum 1.19

>>2617604
Christianity ≠ theism stupid dipshit. If the Bible is full of bullshit, then Christianity is full of bullshit. The Bible is full of bullshit, therefore Christianity is full of bullshit.
QED

>>2620865
>Only Americans believe the earth is 6000 years old
FTFY

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>>2610348
As an atheist, I think christianity is more about morale than actual beleifs, at least they aren't burning a newspaper down because it was mean to their fairytale.

>6000 years meme
>But from the bible you deduce
You can't deduce shit from the bible because it is a highly manipulated text rewritten so you worship hell, a good question would be where did Lilith go.

Let me tell a joke to you

Somebody in heaven (Barberlo/Sofia) had the idea to create a being without permission, so this being ended up some kind of abortion of evil and darkness, the name of the beign? Samael (also known as: Yaldabaoth/Yhvh/the lord), Samael created a grill called Lilith, then they "fucked" and created many demons (archons), they were "separated" by an actual angel whom wounded them, then they saw an image on water of a human and modelled it, when they tried to animate it, the divine spark of the actual God entered, thus Adam was born, and they hated him.

So... yeah, just so you know, there's a lot stuff removed from the bible, not a source on determining the age of earth by any means.

But humour me if you are going to deny that the bible was manipulated: What happened to Lilith?

>>2618241
Abrahamic fundamentalism is good, you heathen!