>book uses Pinyin instead of Wade-Giles

>>2608491
Wade-Giles sucks

get with the times gramps

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>Watching documentary on Deng Xiaoping
>English narrator
>"DANG ZYOHPEENG"

>not writing Mandarin in IPA directly

>>2609925
I think that is the best solution DESU

had a sinology gf once, she said that pinyin is atrocious

>>2609925
>nɑːtʰ juːzJŋ aJpʰieJ tʰu ɹaJtʰ ɛvɜːriθJŋ

>>2609946
I don't know any non-IE languages, so this might sound stupid, but what about using a Vietnamese-style Roman alphabet? They have tones and all that chink stuff (to use technical linguistics terms).

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>Jiang Jieshi

>>2609957
>aspiration at the end of a word

pinyin is for stupid americans who dont understand aspirated and nonaspirated consonants so they just use the closest english equivalents

>>2609971
>he doesn't aspirate his consonants with extreme vigor
get on my level

>>2609946
I'd say Pinyin has these main problems

1) There are semi-vowel consonants written where there are non-pronounced i.e. anything starting with y or w

2) For latin-script language speakers, some of the consonant transcriptions are not intuitive. Firstly, a lot of people think b/d/g/j are voiced, when they are actually just unaspirated unvoiced; c, q, and arguably x are generally unintuitive for non-students of the language to know how to pronounced (z is less so since a lot of European languages do use z for [ts], although English does not)

3) For some reason, [^ei] (where ^ is any consonant sound) is written as ^ui.

4) There are two different vowel qualities for Pinyin i that are not distinguished in writing

>>2609971
You don't pronounce unvoiced plosives and affricate with aspiration when you speak English?

>>2609997
>three main problems
>four points

>>2610003
You misread. I said "these", not "three".

>>2610002
Not at the end of a word, unless I'm speaking very formally or emphatically.

>>2609965
>what about using a Vietnamese-style Roman alphabet?

That's a complete mess.

>>2610037
So you pronounce "kick" with no aspiration at the end? That is a tell-tale sign of a non-native speaker to me (using "native" to mean Anglo-English countries. Maybe Indian or Jamaican English don't aspirate it even though they are native, but I am not counting them for what I mean).

>>2610072
Maybe it's just less aspiration, not a complete lack. English is my mother tongue (I'm American).

Do you aspirate the p in "speak"?

>>2610098
No, because American/British/Australian English does not aspirate p/t/k in the sp/st/sk consonant clusters as a rule. p/t/k are normally aspirated in all circumstances ASIDE from sp/st/sk.

>>2608491
Yale romanization is probably the best for non language study uses.

>>2609968
that one triggers me

>>2608491
>Still using chink characters