Soviet Union

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>>2608402
no that would be wehrmacht

>>2608410
Wehrmacht was crushed by the Red Army, so no.

>>2608402
The Red Army and the Soviet Army are not the samething tho.

what do you mean by greatest?

>>2608402
No, that would the People's Liberation Army Ground Force.

>>2608429
crushed by the world

>>2608429
yeah because they acted like irl zergs, it's not like the red army had better weapons or any tactic/strategy at all

>>2608429
but they like a 20:1 k/d rate

I would say they were among the most numerous, but on average inferior to their contemporaries

>>2608461
>>2608466
can you back these claims up with any kind of academic source

>>2608460
wryyyyyyy

>>2608466
3:1 including partisans
How do you COD faggots survive the conundrum of breathing?

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>>2608402
>greatest army
>never had technological parity with the USA
>never achieved the overwhelming tactical (and early war even strategical) superiority of the wehrmacht and the IDF (as its successor in that regard)

They performed quite well in Afghanistan in comparison to the NATO and they fought ferociously in WW2. Thats about it. The Red Army always was superior but that was only possible because the soviets wasted so much money that it ruined them. Imagine what the US army could have accomplished with a similiar share of the US budget.

>>2608402
WE WUZ PROLETERIATE

>>2608460
I'LL CRUSH YOU!

>>2608606
Mouth helps

>>2608402
Depends on the decade.

>>2608705
bait/10

>>2609179
>bait

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rimon_20

>>2608402
Not really
They beat the Wehrmacht but only because they had superior industrial output and a fuck ton more manpower

>>2609234
This, except they didn't use the fuckton more men to exactly zerg rush mindlessly.

>>2609263
>mindlessly

No thats true. But they sure as fuck were inefficient in the use of their manpower and highly dependent on foreign aid to utilize it properly.

>>2609298
Maybe in Barbarossa/Stalingrad, but you can see that they weren't the ones rushing mindlessly into fortifications at Moscow/Kursk

>>2608439
same difference

>>2608705
>>never had technological parity with the USA
Well that's because the USA never caught up.

>amerilards using ronsons in WW2 while USSR uses the T-34, the tank that literally revolutionized tanks
Kek

>>2609362
>Well that's because the USA never caught up
Who mass produced enough semi-auto rifles to have them as standard? And made super-heavy 4-engines bombers (B-29), which Ivan had to COPY?
>amerilards using ronsons in WW2
As flamethrowers, yes, but not tanks.
>while USSR uses the T-34, the tank that literally revolutionized tanks?
Hope you love lacking a loader, and having to use a hammer to change gears. And of course, having to be a strong manlet to do really anything in it.

>>2609362
>amerilards
And now your entire post is now discarded

>>2608402
No, but it's not as shitty as the wehraboo thrash here claims. They tended to suck at beginning of the war but compensated later

>>2608402
>need 20million soldiers to beat a 3million manned front
being numerous doesnt make you great, it just makes you expendable

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>>2609362
>Well that's because the USA never caught up

Meanwhile in an alternate universe were the soviets ever had the technological superiority. About 3/4 of their mid and late cold war high tech was stolen from western sources. Delusional.

>amerilards using ronsons in WW2 while USSR uses the T-34, the tank that literally revolutionized tanks

Yeah american tanks were technologically inferior to their soviet counterpar. Big whoop american doctrin has worked much better considering the more difficult circumstances they had to face (had to supply forces on another continent etc.). The Burgers revolutionized combined arms warfare, air warfare, the use of military intelligence etc.

Having a superb tank and adapting german tactics pales in comparison to the allied feat. The germans were unable to move during the daylight due to the crushing german air superiority. So maybe the americans were focused on other more decicive factors. Once they focused on tanks in the CW they became more than adequate for the tasks at hand. Its pretty retarded to just comparte tanks because you always have to consider the underlying strategic doctrin of the nation.

>>2608402
Everyone likes to shit on Red Army, because of zerg rush meme, but they were the strongest army in the world in 1945. They could beat the shit out of Anglo Americans, even when they just won a major war against the nazis. The only reason why they didn't is because of the nukes.

>>2609220
with due respect to that battle, and respect is due,
it was a tiny expedition force as far as the soviets were concerned.
the IDF is a miniature army, and cannot compete against any world power in full on war.

>>2609387
1.SVT-40? Schpagin? AK-47???

3.Some mistakes don't interfere with the inherent genious of the tanks design.

>>2608461
>it's not like the red army had any tactic/strategy at all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_operation

>[Faction] would not have won if not for [The factors that allowed them to win]
I never understood this.

>>2609548
>SVT-40
Operational failure, reliability issues inherent to the design
>Schpagin
Heavily influenced by the KP/31, first to issue to entire companies though
>AK-47
Post-war. Better example would be the SKS which saw limited service.

Either way the US was the first to widely field a semi-auto service rifle. Small arms doesn't win wars.

>>2609362
>T-34, the tank that literally revolutionized tanks
Very funny.

>>2609463
They have an impressive record against their Arab neighbors.

>>2609548
>SVT-40
Limited production, meh reliability
>Shpagin
Sub-machine gun
>AK-47
Postwar, and most actually used the AKM

>>2609709
those arent modern armies. he equated the IDF tech advantage to the Wehrmacht, which is nonesense.

>>2609942
Ah. I thought he was referring to the wiki page

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>>2608429
>he doesn't know about the soviet human waves.

>>2608402
only if your definition of great is human cannon fodder

>>2609442
>only reason they didnt try was because they were chucking spears and they had guns

>>2609703
The truth can sometimes be stranger than fiction.

But yes the T-34 is objectively the most influential tank of the war.

>>2610059
It was also objectively the worst with a horrid range and engine life. M1 ping-tier meme.

>>2610073
0/10 b8

>>2608410
>get btfo in a world war
>have 2 good years, get shit pushed in when you fight an enemy that isnt backwards
>the country you invaded in 1939 flies its flag above your Victory Column in 1945

>>2608429

Guaranteed replies

>>2609362

is it possible for someone to be this deluded without being a dratted troll?

>>2610073
>yes tovarisch it's the best tenk because it can kill an early model panzer III ))))))))

>>2608461
>Mobilizes more man power and recourses than you
>MUh CHEATING!

>>2608486
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHA

>>2608429
Wrong! The wehrmacht was crushed by the allies while the USSR was getting BTFO. Sad!

>>2608402
>lost the most people in WW2.
>send waves of humans to die in Finland.
>Thought generals are a threat to the party, so eliminated them and put rookies in their place that didn't know how to command.
They were among the shittiest, slightly above China.

>>2610078
Not an argument.

>>2610081
Um, sweetie, Pooland wasn't even a country in 1945. Sad!

>>2608606
COD is literally the reason so many retards think the USSR won WW2.

>>2609362
>sovietboos believe the USSR created the assault rifle
>now they also believe they revolutionized tank warfare
Sad!

>>2610217
Then our posts had something in common

>>2610230
Well that and the fact the Soviets did most of the fighting, got to Berlin first, made Hitler kill himself, and inflicted 80% of Wehrmacht losses.

Take a history course, ok kid?

>>2610254
>got to Berlin first
The allies agreed to let them take Berlin at Yalta. Take a history course kid real life isn't Hearts of Iron or COD.

>made Hitler kill himself
Hitler would have killed himself whether the allies or USSR got to him.

>inflicted 80% of Wehrmacht losses
Most German losses came towards the end of the war, after the allies had saved the USSR's ass.

>>2610254
lmfao that COD line really struck a nerve. I bet the whole reason you got into WW2 was because you played COD and saw le epic red army zerg rush XD OOOORRRAAAAH

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>>2608460
>>2608502
Hehehe

>>2608402
>>2608410
Stormfags and tankies gtfo.

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>>2608402
>avarege red army soldier

>>2610626
what is wrong with recruiting a kyrgyzstan yak herder, equipping him with a shpagin and helping participate in the most glorious and morally justified war in history, conducting a genocide of a bunch of fascies who would torture and murder him and his family for their amusement if they had the chance, cleansing the earth of their kind

>>2610424
It isn't just stormfags and tankies, it's also Amerilards, Britbongs, the occasional frog or weeaboo, and basically every country that participated in WW2 that turn any conversation of the war into an irredeemable shitflinging contest.
I don't think it's possible to discuss such a normie-tier subject without every thread ending up the same way (le human waves, le USSR won the war, le USA saved Europe)

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>>2608402
>Was the Red Army the greatest army of the 20th century?
Outta my way Ivan

The Red Army's extraordinary adaption to modern warfare at an accelerated speed of industrialization is definitely something to admired although I think the question is too broad to declare a winner. Both are good in their respective ways.

>>2609442
>They could beat the shit out of Anglo Americans, even when they just won a major war against the nazis.

?

Anglo-Americans had just shy of 5 million troops in Western Europe in May of 45. The French had maybe another million.

Soviets had a little over 6 million.

seems like a pretty even match...

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>>2610650
forcing hordes of uneducated and illiterate peasants from the most remote lands of USSR with no interest of this war to use them as a cannon fodder. congratulations. you have won the war. now your peasant army can rape plunder everything what moves. if it doesnt, destroye it.

>>2610696
t. butthurt Heinrich

>>2610695
source because your numbers are way off

>>2610299
>after the allies had saved the USSR's ass.

sure that's why the rekd Heeresgruppe Mitte in winter 41 on their own without any LL.

get rekd retard next time do your research btw the "losses at the end of the war" is also clearly fictional and biased

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>ctrl f
>"rhodesia" 0 results
rhodesian obviously.
>be rhodesia 1965
>be called the jewel of africa
>healthiest economy in africa
>country of 5000 farmers produce more food than all its neighbours combined.
>set world record for most productive farmland per km/2
>declare independance from britain, been governing myself anyway
>first country since 1776 to declare UID.
>every neighbouring country declares war on our fair and great land except south africa
>no oil unless its hiked way the fuck up by the south africans and will be constantly running low and needing to beg SA for supplies.
>have to build own attack helicopters out of farming helicopters
>fighting literally all of southern africa thats not SA
>blacks constantly being btfo
>war goes on for 15 more years
>shits getting tough but we can make it work
>international pressure to have free elections
>little dipster called mugabe want to run for office, he's a complete nutjob.
>dipster wins and whites are expelled from africa and rhodesia goes to shit.

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>>2610766
t.ivan shitposting hard

>>2610934
German historian, get rekd by simple facts with your shitposting.

How pathetic that you instantly go for ad hominem.

No facts no arguments, thank you for the demonstration.

>>2610424
>le your a stormfag if you like wehrmacht
fuck off, wehrmacht was clean

>>2610903
He's right you know

to put it this way
americans were crapping themselfs so much not only they had to level 2 japanese cities in demonstration but build up germany which they leveled
invested a buttload of money into a warthorn europe
just to detter the red army

yes it was the greatest, "zerg" tactic memesters never read a late war german report on the ruskies and their methods

>>2610205
It dosen't make you a good army

>>2609442
how the fuck would they have been able to reach America?

>>2608402
It was the rapeiest

>>2612027
Defeating the enemy does, so yeah "good" army.

I wonder every day on this board how fucking insecure americans are.

You beat the shit out of Japan, you have done a good job in europe you had the A bomb first you won the cold war.

How can't you just accept that the sowjets did the most work against nazi germany.

I thought there are some americans with dignity and an honest and adukt worldview but well it looks like I was wrong.

This board is getting worse every day, at this point every poster seems to be a 12 year old COD kiddy.

No arguments no facts just memes and insults, I pity all of you.

>>2612112
There is a difference between quality and quantity
The commies had the later but lacked the former

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>>2612112
>Angrily responds to 'doesn't make you a good army' with an entire paragraph accusing Americans of being insecure
>insecure

>>2610299
Doesn't refute anything I said.

>>2610306
Seems like that "take a history course" big struck a nerve :)

>>2610771
I don't have to provide sources when it's a common fact.

>>2610299
The russians got to Berlin first because Hitler decided to waste more effort on fighting the west (battle of the bulge). The agreement at Yalta was only about who occupies what once the war is over. The west Thuringia and parts of Bohemia first but gave it up as soon as the soviets arrived

>>2608402
Why does no one realise that the Prussian dominated Imperial German Army was better, for its time, than the Wehrmacht?

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>>2612112
>Defeating the enemy does
so i guess the germanic tribalniggers where better then Romans because they started to win wars against them during Roms decline
>I wonder every day on this board how fucking insecure americans are.
what makes you think i'm American, Ivan?

>there are commies posting ITT trying to defend Zerg rush human wave tactics: the army

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Fucking embarrassing

>>2609964
10 million, Jesus Christ. How did they even feed and arm that? How did the economy even survive?

No wonder stalin was STILL willing to give up Ukraine and the baltics for peace and economic aid until Zitadel.

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>>2612291
>No wonder stalin was STILL willing to give up Ukraine and the baltics for peace
holy shit, Hitler was even more retarded then i thought

>>2610059
What is centurion for 30pts

>>2612168
Greetings from germany nice to see how your worldview works.

EWWW eh doesn't accept my anti soviet bullshit memes lets call him Ivan that will show him.

Btw there are no facts that support your claim.

I bet in your worldview every Hillary voter is a liberal cuck and every trump voter a racist gunnut.

Grow up lad the world is not black and white.

You are very naive and infantile, your ability to make distinctions is non existent and you are only here to accept stuff that you already accept and if you are confronted with other worldviews or facts and arguments that destroy your tiny tiny horizon you scream "insulting meme".

I really wonder how old you are, probably 15-16 judging by your mental capabilities.

Since you have never read a book, try a yt video to educate yourself at least a little bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I98P1AxQRUM

>>2610254
Germany spent all its money fighting in the west and all their blood in the east, all the high tech stuff was sent against the western allies.

>>2612372

This is 4chan m8. There's no such thing as nuance, you're either a cuck or a retard, pick your flavor of autism and deal with it.

>>2609405
Um, being more numerous does make you great, because you usually win. Quality or quantity both win you wars.

>>2610101
The panzer 3 was the main threat in 1939/41. What did the allies have at that time? the M3 Grant, Matilda or Stuart? If you are going to compare tanks from different times, you might as well shit on a Sherman because it can't take out the 1980s Abram.

>>2612436
That the Red army only won with quantity is a myth.

They had superior tanks, guns you name it.
They had superior tactics.
Their population was far more determined and organized an impressive partisan war and didn't just run away like little bitches like the Germans did.

The only thing that made Germany initially successful was crystal meth and the surprise moment.

>>2612676
Look at all the major deciding battles on the eastern front. The Soviets won them but lost more men. If they were as superior as you say that wouldnt be the case. You're full of shit.

>>2612724
You have any idea how effective Crystal Meth is? That thing literally turns you into a superhuman with super attention and confidence who doesn't need to sleep or rest.

>>2612737
I very much doubt the germans were able to supply millions of men with enough meth to make them "superhuman" in every single battle

>>2612760
The vast majority of them was supplied just fine. It is just a chemical. When even lowly thugs can produce it in their garages, THE chemical superpower of the century sure as hell won't have a problem with it.

They distributed it in the form of chocolate called Panzerschokolade, if you want to google it.

>>2610626
The red army ended the war with 45% russian soldiers and started it with 65%

>>2612771
Sorry 52% russian by the end

>>2612771
Did you even include Ukraine? They are the same genetically.

>>2612770
To say "superhuman" is to exagerrate. They were given rather small doses as you dont want your soldiers getting addicted to the stuff aswell as getting all the different sideeffects.

While i dont doubt that it helped the germans it wasnt as crucial to their success as you say as alertness and confidence is something that can easily come with experience.

>>2612819
Do you even know what you just said? The average life expectancy in WW2 was maybe 2 weeks. There is not even enough time to get addicted until you are dead.

>something that can easily come with experience.
Oh only experience? Nothing more?

>>2609709
Who doesn't have an impressive record against the Arabs in conventional operations?

>>2612831
>The average life expectancy in WW2 was maybe 2 weeks
Thats just ridiculous. 18 million men total served in the Wehrmacht 5 million died. If the average life expectancy in the field was 2 weeks the number of casualties would have been way higher.

>>2612810
I said Russian

Also remember that the Ukraine and White Russia was under german occupation until 1944 and that the Ukranian army was destroyed at Kiev

>>2612885
Sorry but that just doesn't sound right.

At the end they had to use fucking children because there were no able-bodied men.

The only way this makes sense is if they regarded even workers in factories as serving in the Wehrmacht, which they probably did.

I said the average life expectancy was low on the FRONT, not in the entire Wehrmacht.

This is not one of your video games where 1 Rambo can kill hundreds of soldiers. Often you could kill a few before dying yourself. Surviving was the exception, not the norm. This is why veterans are so valued. Because nobody expects them to survive. Dying is normality.

>>2612896
Factory workers are not part of the armed services. While there were no doubt a large number noncombatants the majority were and if you consider many different factors you can probably take away some more but 2 weeks is still an extreme number.

>>2612372
>him Ivan that will show him
you assumed i was american, so i took the liberty to assume you were an Russian since you seemed very emotional about the subject, my bad
>Btw there are no facts that support your claim.
the soviet deaths compared to the german ones (and that counts the later battles too) suggest otherwise and it's the only evidence you really need.
btw i didn't see you post any evidence either earlier.
>I bet in your worldview every Hillary voter is a liberal cuck and every trump voter a racist gunnut.
>Grow up lad the world is not black and white.
nice projections
>insulting meme
i don't get why you accuse me of insulting,
you did it earlier too but you are the one that try to insult.