Were cowboys and pirates the freest men who ever lived?

>>2606378
You mean the cowboys who worked for huge corporate ranchers and the pirates who were privateers for the kings of Europe?

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Depends were they American?

>>2606384
They could quit those jobs any time, bucko.

>>2606394
So can most people in most other occupations.

>>2606384
>privateers
Not all of them were.

>>2606405
Yeah but I can't go on a ship or horse to any undiscovered place and set up any camp now can I?

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in a Hobbesian sense neither were free - insofar as, their negative freedoms not safeguarded by the existence of a sovereign and well functioning body politic, they existed in a state of non-liberty characterized by the war-of-all-against-all.

I'd argue Somalians if they could just free themselves from hunger and thirst they'd probably reach ascended tier

everyone knows the freest men to ever live were steamboat pilots on the mississippi

Drovers were the freest men to ever live.

>>2606378
No, vikings were.

>>2606414
Of course you can, what the fuck you mean you cant no one is stopping you

the most powerful men were

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The only free people in history were Castillians and Castillians only.Dios bendiga a don Fernán González y Don Juan de Padilla

>>2606391
Cowboy were mexicans. Americans have no culture.

>>2607012
Dumbest people in all history.

>>2606378
They had hierarchies and superiors so no. I'd say hermits and tribal hunter gatherers are much more free, hermits the most.

>>2607139
>I'll be taking that boat/horse/budget back. Thanks for your time!

>>2606453
Very true. That's also an incredibly interesting pic

"cowboys" are literally larping faggots who moved out west to tell mexicans what to do

Cowboy

>be sperg nobody, east coast, 1860~
>hear there's gold in California
>get on an express trip, only takes 30 weeks to get there
>pack up your life, sell everything and head out
>in the first week, gamble away all your money, and your only in Missouri
>cross the Mississippi, and realise you can't go anywhere without other people
>have your supplies stolen in the middle of the night, can't do shit about it because there isn't and police presence out here
>get stuck with a bunch of crazy wacko's who believe that god lives in California, and a group of people trying to rig a slave vote out west
>get snake bite, curing it makes your leg gangrenous, has to be amputated
>cross the Rockies, half your party dies, you basically have no food or survival skills
>arrive in L.A.
>gold mines dried up month ago
>you can't get a job on a ranch because Mexican and Chinese labour is cheaper and can be killed easier
>same reason you can't work on the railroads
>dont have the funds to start your own farm
>are basically homeless, eating scraps of dead horse
>Civial war starts, get conscripted
>die in Arizona

Pirate

>be poor worker in New Spain, 1670~
>town gets raided by pirates
>get kidnapped
>work as a slave under a pirate captain
>constantly being attacked by government forces
>promotion happens based on if someone above you dies
>get to be a regular pirate
>starving all the time
>cant get clean water for weeks at a time, drink rat's blood and urine
>get scurvy
>die on the ship

sounds free as shit

>>2606414
You can go in a car.

They were slaves to themselves.

>people don't realize that "cowboy" was a job description

A cowboy is somebody who herds cattle over long distances so they can be sold.

I mean, it's a pretty cool job, but all "cowboy" means is "long distance cattle herder"

Also, they tended to be like "my only shirt is a burlap sack with holes cut in it" levels of poor.

>>2607772
T. Mexican

>>2608032
At least in theory pirates had some sort of "democracy" which forbade unequal and unjust treatment of crews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_code

And if the crew felt their captain was an idiot they could always kill him and pick another.