How good was German manufacturing and engineering during WW2?

>>2597839
>How good was German manufacturing and engineering during WW2?


How are you even defining these terms? Are you talking battle quality of individual pieces of kit? Are you talking streamlining of the manufacturing process itself? Are you talking about how well things worked from a mechanical side?

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>>2597839

>was it comparable to the U.S.?

Heavens no.

>>2597851
All of those things

>>2597839
What does 'good' mean? Quality? Output? Speed? Cost?

>>2597867
Love the asterisk. Like Americans have to be reminded.

>>2597839
Germany's pre-war economic miracle had been predominately dependent on corporatism and their industry had certainly grown but it was still hobbled by the erratic nature of infrastructural planning especially by late WWII when allied fighters had started to strafe railways and infrastructure targets on their return journeys from escort missions. Me-109 production was still extremely high by late 1945 but they along with their fuel and ammunition would often simply never reach bases because the German railways and roads were completely in the shitter. America and even Britain never experienced this level of infrastructural failure due in large part to their superior air defences and as a result their industry was far more effective even in 1943 than Germany's

>>2597867
Did the U.S. not have frigates until 1943? Why not?

Your topic is really broad, but I recommend reading about Fritz Todt and Albert Speer.

>>2597839

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6xLMUifbxQ

start at 27:25 or

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>>2598072
iirc 'frigates' as a class had basically not invented since the age of sail until they were bought back to refer to escort ships in WWII (initially referred to as Destoryer Escorts by the US but called Frigates by the Royal Navy, the latter name stuck), initially old first world war destroyers modified for longer range and anti-submarine warfare but later new ships specially designed for the role

>>2598520
*not existed since the age of sail

less than if only for the fact America kept poaching and brain draining Germany for their immigrants.

>>2597839

It was good enough, but used improperly. Hitler should have focused all resources on mp38 production if he wanted to win the war (instead of splitting resources amongst the stg-44, volksstrum and fg-42). That strategy, but with the pps, worked good enough for the Soviets.

If that had happened, Hitler would have stood a much better chance at resisting occupation. Not going to say it'd work, but it'd at least give them a fighting chance.

>>2598527

Albert Einstein was a Jew and left because Hitler was putting Jews into ghettos, and in general not being very nice to academics. He had no reason to stay.

>>2597839
>How good was German manufacturing and engineering during WW2?
bad
>was it comparable to the U.S.?
no

>>2598618
>Hitler should have focused all resources on mp38 production if he wanted to win the war
no

Japan is the best!
Zero fighter is a handmade craft.

>>2598527
>people willing leave of their own volition
>poaching

>>2598625
While I agree the USA manufacturing and engineering was extremely powerful, could you contibute the lack of Germany's due to allied bombing. Also this poses a new question who had better manufacturing and engineering the us or Russia?

>>2598671
>who had better manufacturing and engineering the us or Russia?
Once again, the United States and no it was not close.

>>2598618
>>2598618

It's utterly delusional to think that a different mix of small arms could have tipped the war in any way.

Germany had a good stockpile of weapons because of rearmament but it focused on building weapons not building factories to build weapons. It had focused on a big army for quickly beating the enemy not a big manufactoring base to fight a war of attrition.

>>2598624
Honestly I wonder what would happen if the Jewish revolution succeeded, and Germany became a Jewish state with Jews at the upper echelons. Germany might have been able to take over the world under a New Jewish Order.

>>2598727
>the Jewish revolution
???

It was good in many respects but failed in others.

The unwillingness to utilize women in the factory work place and rely more upon effectively slave labour for one thing.

They were good however at mitigating allied bomber damage (After Speers got control)

>>2598757
Women were more highly mobilized in Germany than any of the western countries.

>>2598650
>>2598685

More small arms = more soliders more quickly.

Again, not saying they'd win the war but the cost of the war would have been lower. Stalingrad would have been a shitshow but maybe they could have stopped the Soviet advance if everyone had a gun.

At the bare minimum, the Soviets proved that even with a dysfunctional government and shitty weapons, they could still win because they made enough of them fast enough. Perhaps if Hitler divided Poland he could have traded Normandy (before d-day) for peace.

>>2598837

No, the Soviets had higher rates because all the men were sent to the front to be slaughtered. Weapons have to come from somewhere and women were immediately placed into the workforce as casualties mounted.

>>2598727

Communist Germany would have allied with Communist Russia to carve up Eastern Europe. Spain then China would have fallen soon after, then France would have been invaded and occupied, as would Italy. WW2 would have been the US and English capitalist system vs a completely red Eurasia.

In the end though, academics would have still fled and Einstein would still have written to FDR about the plausibility of creating atomic weaponry, which nobody in Eurasia was capable of developing (in real life, Germany had too few resources even with their remaining academics and the USSR had to steal the designs through the Rosenbergs), which would have inevitably resulted in the total destruction of Eurasia by allied jet bombers (which eurasia would not have, because all the German aerospace engineers would have left in the 1920s).

I'd be an Anglo dominant world, perhaps with some surviving mediterranean types living in agrarian states. The remains of the industrial age there would have rusted away while England and America would effectively be the future of humanity. Brighton would be considered Atlantis.

>>2598742

He's talking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319

Not that good considering they didn't switch to a war economy until late into the war.

>>2598908
the mp38 wasnt the standard issued firearm for every infantrymen you autist

>>2598908
this isnt hoi4

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>>2597839
>>2598324

I grew up and still live less than a mile from the "Tank Plant" as we called it and even worked there for a week several years back at US Manufacturing, who took over about 2/3 of the original factory, with two other companies utilizing the rest of the building.

>>2598618
>Germany could have conquered Europe with small arms

I hate this board

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>>2601653

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>>2601660

>>2597839

It's manufacturing was pretty shit-tier, even before allied bombing made it a joke. An entire class of tanks unironically had the wrong gun put on them despite operating with the backdrop of close corporate-government cooperation and it failed to adopt streamlined production until it was far too late.

>engineering

Both goat and awful at the same time, in large part due to the aforementioned close ties between the private and government sector (in which the private sector was completely subservient.) If the Fuhrer liked something, it was made, with little regard to relative efficiency, this worked both ways.

Armaments like the StG 44 were revolutionary and were a game-changer on the squad-platoon level, but they were never produced in bulk because Hitler didn't like them.

Meanwhile, things like the V1-V2, while also revolutionary, were inefficient as fuck, but Hitler liked them, so they were produced.

The same could be said about German heavy tanks. The reaction to the god-tier versatility of designs like the Panzer IV and Stug was not to streamline their production, but to waste resources on situational money-sinks like the Tiger and Elefant.

Germans couldn't even backward-engineer the T-34 correctly. They saw a rugged, cheap, and reliable platform and took away no lessons from it save muh sloped armor. This made Germany's answer to it - the Panther (especially early models) which was one of the most successfully balanced tank designs in history still prone to breakdowns as a result of autistic over-engineering.

>was it comparable to the U.S.?

Manufacturing capability was separated by multiple orders of magnitude, engineering was comparable, but unlike the krauts, the US knew how to translate engineering to efficient manufacturing extremely well. Add in British help, and even the krauts vaunted skill in rocketry wasn't anything special by the end of the war.

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Anyone else get a stiffy from thinking about the sheer industrial might of the US during WW2?

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>>2601727
>Germans couldn't even backward-engineer the T-34 correctly.

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>>2601731

Every time.

>tfw some butthurt Europoor makes a thinly-veiled American hate thread pitting the 1940s US against the entire world and the worst case scenario for the US is that it forces a stalemate while creating a cozy North American/Caribbean Empire

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>>2601752

>not reading the rest of the post

Klaus pls

>>2601731
Yes and I'm Canadian

>Stalin was literally having nightmares of war with the USA

>>2601731
I wish, but it feels wrong when one side of your family are basically refugees from Saxony.

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>>2601974
I'm Canadian too buddy
There's just something wonderful about American warmachines being pumped out of the heartland by the thousands each month.

>>2598680
>who had better manufacturing and engineering the us or Russia?
Kek

>>2598908
>he could have traded Normandy (before d-day) for peace.
Are you retarded? Anglos didn't want peace because they promised to protect Poland. Plus if they had just let Germany expand and do nothing about it, Germany would have become the dominant country in Europe. Balance of power had to be maintained.

>>2598975
>how things would have been if I had played as Germany in hoi4
:DD

>>2601727
You have a point.

>autistic over-engineering
This is one of the most German things ever.