The more I learn about Imperial Japan, the more I think they

>>2589694
>Japanese civilians deserve to be vaporised
Yes. People who had no idea apart from being manipulated by the state deserve to be evaporated. Nice logic.

>implying it's not born of 1945 American propoganda.
I bet you believe they thought the emperor was divine and that was why they followed him.

Holy shit, end yourself.

>>2589703
t. Weeb

>>2589694
They should get another one for inventing anime tbqh.

>>2589694
I never understood why Germany got the brunt of the contempt after the war. Japan did just as much horrendous shit.

>>2589953
Truman. Also FDR was always about punishing Germans more.

>>2589703
The Jap civilians should've protested against the blatant militarism that its leaders were doing against fellow Asians. Instead they just obeyed as good little worker ants, feeding into the Nip military-industrial complex. The Italians and Germans had resisitance groups that tried to undermine the fascists, but the Japs had nothing to speak of. They could've risen up and overthrown the assholes in charge but typical Orientals being submissive bitches.

Frankly they were lucky to get only 2 nukes. Japan should've been wiped off the face of the Earth and nobody would've missed them.

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>>2589914
But then 4chan wouldn't exist you dumb redditor.

>>2589953
Because double standards. Europeans are civilized white people and are supposed to know better. Gooks killing each other is old news, they do that all the time.

>>2590126
You can't be serious?

Imperial Japan gets a lot of hate because they revealed the hypocrisy of the Europeans.

>Belgium goes to Africa and kills a bunch of civilians
>nobody talks about "Belgium deserves to be nuked"

>Britain goes to India and takes over their shit for their own benefit
>...actually /his/ hates the Anglos kek

>France takes over Indochina which is on the entire other side of Eurasia
>Japan is considered the aggressor for liberating their fellow Asians

>Japan wants to expand their borders like all the Europeans and Americans
>bunch of Europeans and Americans criticize them for immoral aggression

Japan was the light of Asia and could've helped her brothers and sisters in China and the rest of Asia to fight off the white imperialist scum. Japan made some mistakes, but we are demonized for pretty much no reason other than the fact that Japanese are not white. People only accepted Japan in the Western society once Japanese started making anime and were occupied by American rapists.

>>2589694
>history
>applying good and evil in some sort of narrative

please report this kuso sure.

>>2590126
KILL
YOUR
SELF

Read up on interwar japan you fucking shitter.

>>2590131
Please, the idea of an image board would've been made regardless if Nips weren't around. The Japs have contributed nothing special to the world.

>>2590139
QFT
Orientals have no concept of human rights.

>>2590131
>But then 4chan wouldn't exist
What a wonderful world that would be.

>>2590164
>/his/
>reading anything

You do realize that most of this board subsists of pop history, right?

>>2590170
>The Japs have contributed nothing special to the world.

yeah, the world's third largest economy hasn't contributed anything special to the world. why do strong asian nations trigger whitebois so hard?

>>2590156
Belgium is a very bad example

>>2589953
Maybe because rebuilding the country and creating a strong ally in the pacific, right at the USSR's eastern doorstep was in America's interest?

>>2590156
I mean i could say that "if the coprosperity sphere wasnt just meming" you would be right but that would fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of the polity of Imperial japan.

>>2590170
>europeans
>human rights
>30 years war
>ww1
>ww2 Europe
>genocide on at least 2 continents
>institutionalized slavery
>spread judeoabrahamic religion while trading in slaves of the native population (including japan)
>cry crocodile tears when they get BTFO while yellow devils

wew

>>2590170
>Please, the idea of an image board would've been made regardless if Nips weren't around.

It would be something like leddit or funnyjunk, not anything like the website you're posting in today.

>>2590156
but the internet, and the world in general, is constantly crying out for the west to answer for crimes against historically lesser nations

>>2590156
>Japan was the light of Asia and could've helped her brothers and sisters in China
Nigger, you invaded China and tortured its citizens for years. The Chinese fucking despise you.

>>2589694
Did you think we nuked them for shits and giggles?

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>>2590558
It's not like chinks cared about their civilians either. This guy alone killed almost a million of them.

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>>2589703
I know the Bushido code inside and out.

My Honour is My Loyalty.

>>2590588
you could argue that but for the Japanese invasion he might not have gone full retard

>>2590148
>>2590164
>>>/pol/

Follow your leader fascist scum.

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>>2590156
Except China was thriving in areas that weren't under attack or being ripped at by communism.
>During the 1920s and 1930s Shanghai became known as "The Paris of the East, the New York of the West".[18]
>Economic achievements include the city becoming the commercial center of East Asia, attracting banks from all over the world.
Also, poor argument for pointing fingers at other nations for justification.

>>2590614
Not that guy, but he was pretty retarded in the 20s, well before the Japanese were doing shit.

>>2590635
Wasn't Saigon the "Paris of the Orient"?

>>2590156
>Their fellow asians
Imperialism is still imperialism

>deserve
this is a pretty spooky thread desu

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>>2589953
Macarthur was a weeb who wanted to let the japs off easy with a new government because he knew that they were BTFO'd so hard that they weren't gonna try any shenanigans again.

>>2590199
Germany was right on USSR's doorstep and would have been an even better ally.

>>2589953
the jews, duh

I think the real question is whether today's Americans would have the will or determination to fight a reinvigorated Imperial Japan.

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>>2591175
the perks of a professional army compared to a conscript one is that you don't need 100% support from the civilian populace to fight wars.

>>2590963
Funny how much damage weaboos like MacArthur and Stimson were able to cause.

>>2591232
What damage?
Japan is pretty well off.

>>2590625
this has nothing to do with /pol/. but i suspect a false flag post here... what these posters are trying to say is that anon is being extremely ignorant for acting as though he knows what the circumstances of interwar japan were like, without having even read anything about the matter. Instead he applies his childish racial theories to explain whole swathes of history as though he were an expert.

>>2589703
>civilians are completely innocent and exist wholly separate from a vague entity known as "the state" which is responsible for their actions
Top jej

>>2589694


Demon that imitates the word of God

>>2589694
They just wanted an empire like all the other great nations of the time. I don't see a problem.

>>2590156
It's a shame that Japan is basically an occupied colony now. Destroyed from its former glory.

>>2590203
>cry crocodile tears when they get BTFO while yellow devils
But they won WWII.

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>all these triggered weebs in this thread

>>2591429

>occupied
>colony

what a ridiculous meme

>>2591443
They can't do anything without America's consent.

>>2591447

and by thing do you mean invade another country?

>>2591458
With what army?

>>2591458
*liberate from colonization and socialists

>>2589953
Because we are westerners. They obviously care more about it in the East

>>2589694
What about Meiji-era Imperial Japan?

>>2590156
after the paris attacks a lot of people were saying that belgium should be removed from the map and just divided between its neighbors

>>2591429
Perhaps they should had tried to not be a bunch of cannibalistic death cultists during 30s&40s.

>>2591865
>try to create an empire
>death cult
???

>>2591419
>I don't see a problem.
Because you're a retard.

>T-they just wanted to create an empire!
>Japan a gud boi! They dindu nuffin!!

There is literally no justification for the atrocities the nips committed before and during WW2. They were just power-hungry tyrants, only the most deluded weeb would think otherwise.

>>2591124
Sure, but Germany couldn't have been engineered from scratch into what Japan became. American influence and hegemony in the middle of Europe wouldn't be tolerated. The Soviet had already razed Berlin, and the rest of the allies finally had boots on German soil. Japan was ripe for the taking, Germany wasn't.

>>2590139
> subhuman mongrel European detected..learn history first faggot

>>2590170
neck yourself fucking illiterate cuck

>>2591440
another dead communist

>>2589703
Nope. The civilians thought everything was justified and right.

Nips have the greatest slave mentality. They should have had half their country smashed including their manlet weakling emperor to prove to them they're not blessed or divine.

>>2590156
You're a fucking idiot. Asians hated Japan and fought tooth and nail against them. Japan's the most autistic Asian country.

It thinks it's so important, acts tough when everyone's weak, bends the knee when America knocks it's teeth out. Still somehow acts like its superior.

China on the other hand fought everyone it ever could no matter how dire the situation was. After two wars with Japan and a few others against European powers, it goes to battle Vietnam and over 20 countries at Korea. That's a country with real men and courage.

>>2590588
That doesn't make it right for Japan to do it you fucking retard. Also, he wouldn't have even risen to power or conmitted half the stupid shit he did if the Japanese invasions didn't happen.

>>2590588
>b-but they did it too!
Literally the dumbest common argument in existence.

>>2591429
>Destroyed from its former glory.
LMAO
Do you mean before they obtained Western technology, or during the time of rape and invasion? Or both.

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>Forced children to act as suicide bombers in Okinawa
>honourable
This is what japs actually believe.

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>>2590156

>WE DIN DU NUFFIN

Stop crying over colonialism and getting nuked. You're better off after Whitey did his thing anyway.

>>2590182

Hey there tumblrina.

>>2590203

>genocide on at least 2 continents

And when was this? The imaginary Redskin Genocide?

>>2591465

Name a single country better off before colonialism.

>>2592551

Hey there Gook.

Why did Japan attack US before Dutch East Indies? I thought they had oil.

>>2589703
Why is it evil to be a citizen under the Nazi regime but not under the Japanese?

>>2593570
Well, for starters, it wasn't far behind. The attack on the DEI began on the morning of December 8th. Secondly, the Japanese at the time considered an attack on the DEI to be an invitation to war with the U.S. anyway. The Dutch aren't that tough. America is.

>>2589694
Why do you think they never bitch about it?

>>2593583
Because japs weren't white and therefore they dindu nuffing wrong.

White bois are a bunch of racist coward pussies in this thread, gonna rape and kill a couple white bitches just to piss you crackers off.

>>2590126

Japan has always been a conformist country. You stray from the herd and you might as well be exiled.

>>2593570
Because the Japanese thought that the US would interfere if they weren't neutralized first.

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>>2593583
Nice strawman.
He never said the citizens of Nazi Germany was evil.

>>2593603

not at all, they were bristling at our economic response to their hostilities throughout asia, and sought to have us cowed

well, we saw to that

>>2593586
>>2593603
I thought Netherlands was occupied by Germans in that time period, and they would let Japan just like Vietnam. Was East Indies that independent?

>>2593618

The Netherlands itself was occupied, but Germany didn't exactly have a lot of force projection outside Europe, so you had a government-in-exile that claimed sovereignity and actually held it over places like the DEI and Dutch Guyana.

And French Indo-China didn't just "let" Japan in. They marched in with about 18 times as many troops as the colonial garrison had, and there were a few curb-stomp battles. The French didn't just say "Oh, well Papa Germany wills it, better sign over some colonies".

>all these Asians shit flinging about something that happened years ago and they still haven't gotten over it

Am I on /int/?

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>>2593594

>twitter.

>>2593636

They're non-Whites. Niggers are still crying over slavery even though Niggers took part in it and Whitey did more than Niggers and Sandniggers to end it.

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Here's the thread in a nutshell.

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You're welcome, non-Whites.

>>2593629
I see, thanks.

btw I don't like them especially but it is interesting see how Japan single–handedly changed the power balance in the world unintentionally.

I mean, if they haven't chimped out so hard, stuff like a nationalist China and European hegemony over SEA instead of US would be possible and the Cold War period would change drastically. Or maybe not, I dunno.

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http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/colonialism-did-not-make-africa-poor/

>muh colonialism

What are Gooks sore about?

>>2593596
This is why any sensible person in those islands would leave.

>>2593583
Maybe because the Nazis got elected into power while the Japanese government was an oligarchy of military officers and aristocrats. Still, the Japanese public had a moral duty to oppose their government when it was doing all kinds of evil and atrocities in Asia yet they did nothing. Doing nothing to stop your government from committing war crimes is just as bad as participating.

>>2591429
Japan never had glory. It was always a backwater and never amounted to shit in history. It's only the last 150 years that they actually made something of a global impact and it's not even that much.

>>2592591
THIS

We should've killed off all the males and bred with the females to create a better race to supplant those dwarves.

>>2589694
If you look at things from a Japanese point of view, the European powers were annoying assholes who got in the way of a country trying to get natural resources by colonizing other parts of Asia.

>>2593997
Why didn't the Japanese stop for a minute and realize that it's better to rally the peoples of Asia under colonial rule and treat them as fellow brethren instead of trying to subjugate them like the West did?

I really don't get Japanese. They basically disqualified themselves of being part of Asia after the shit they pulled in the 30's and 40's. And if there's anything that Asians are known for, it's their autistic grudges from past grievances. The death tolls and atrocities that Japan inflicted isn't going to be forgiven or forgotten for a VERY LONG time.

In another 50 years or so, the US might not feel compelled to stick around in Japan or South Korea because there'll be other shit to deal with it or it's too much of a burden. Japan will be exposed and without friends in the world because all the nations that surround it are the ones that suffered from WW2.

>>2594114
>Why didn't the Japanese stop for a minute and realize that it's better to rally the peoples of Asia under colonial rule and treat them as fellow brethren instead of trying to subjugate them like the West did?

Ning nong we honorary whites now, we act rike white peopre do, rest of Asia wirr rove us for it.

>>2590126
So the hippies and liberals were right?

>>2591235
MacArthur didn't do too much to help Japan to begin with; what with the whole "releasing former Imperial Japanese political prisoners (i.e. Communists) willy-nilly, almost starting massive, country-wide strikes".
In the end, what helped Japan the most was US military action and involvement in various East and South Asian theaters, was well as the Western economic investments that came later.

>>2594114
Too slow nips are not jews they needed resources ASAP

>blah blah moralfag blah
Shut up already.

>>2594114
>In another 50 years or so, the US might not feel compelled to stick around in Japan or South Korea because there'll be other shit to deal with it or it's too much of a burden. Japan will be exposed and without friends in the world because all the nations that surround it are the ones that suffered from WW2.
What did he mean by this

>>2594114
Japan had this really weird national mentality that's hard to really understand. You had this intense xenophobic nationalism that was forged by the years under the Tokugawa isolation, but the forced modernization of the Meiji period thoroughly jarred it. The subsequent subjugation of their neighbors - first Korea, then, against all odds, China and Russia - ingrained in their national consciousness the idea that they could win no matter what the odds. This turned this already fairly toxic nationalism into a superiority complex.

But over this same period, they felt persecuted. Starting with the West forcing open their ports at the end of the Tokugawa era, they began to feel (somewhat rightly so) that the West was trying to keep them down. Their treatment in the early parts of the 20th century made it worse - America intervened and undid many of their gains in the Russo-Japanese War, and even with their being on the winning side of WW1, they weren't given the same seat at the victors table as any of the European powers. Washington Naval Treaty, which limited Japan to lower total tonnage than powers like America and Britain, convinced Japan that the West was trying to hold them back, and by the time they got involved in China, they got embroiled in an odd level of cognitive dissonance. Japan was both acting as liberator and colonizer, and was legitimately surprised when China and the West didn't take kindly to what they were doing. After all, to Japan, all they were doing was creating their own colonial empire, and liberating the East from Western oppression.

Pretty much, Japan had so many significant events that impacted the national psyche in the centuries leading up to WW2 that the Japanese mindset was almost alien to anyone in the rest of the world, especially the West.

>>2592702
>Name a single country better off before colonialism.
>before
Notice I said liberate FROM.

>>2592267
Every nation at the time was creating giant empires to show their might.

>>2592584
Yeah, he died peacefully at age 90. BTFO am I right? Lel.

>>2592650
The glory of their beautiful feudal domains.

>>2592689
They were happy to die for their Mikado.

>>2593968
>Nazis
>elected

>>2593981
They always were strong men contained by the bushido code.

>>2595690
>Every nation at the time was creating giant empires to show their might
No, they weren't. But even if that was the case, how does that justify the Nips' actions? How does it make them any less evil for what they did in Nanking? All it makes them is another greedy, vindictive, tyrannical and disgusting regime that partook in genocide and rape for the sake of their own avarice.

So yeah, no sympy for those nukes.

>>2595774
>No, they weren't.

Hideki Tojo was literally inspired by the Prussian empire when he visited them around WWI. That also doesn't take into account the giant empires France and Britain had.

>>2590558
China bullied the rest of Asia for 3,000 years. Empires don't last forever.

>>2595805
Fine, but I reiterate. How does that justify them?

>>2589953
Same reason you punish adults harder than children. Japan was still maturing into the world stage. They got paddled for acting bad and changed they're ways.
Germany was a dindu like repeat offender.

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>>2595774
>How does it make them any less evil for what they did in Nanking?

Nanking never happened, Chang. Or if it did it, was greatly exaggerated like the Holohoax.

>>2595828
>Another weeb trying to rationalise how grorious Nippon dindu nuffin

>>2590156
I kind of think a punitive war to take the Belgians colony from would have been justified. The other powers just didn't want to set any dangerous precedents.
And they were simply colonizers themselves, not liberators in Asia.

>>2595832
He's right though. Much of the info and photos surrounding that are pure forgeries.

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>>2595832
>muh dead babies
>muh bayoneted pregnant women
>muh exaggerated shit 100x

CHINK PROPAGANDA

>>2595841
He isn't right, though. You're literally trying to deny an event that's been thoroughly and comprehensively documented for decades.
>>2595845
t. weeb

>>2595847
There are people on this site who have been spoonfed too much anime Kool-aid to be able to think for themselves regarding Japan. They truly believe that the japs can do no wrong.

>>2595509
>and even with their being on the winning side of WW1, they weren't given the same seat at the victors table as any of the European powers.

Hardly surprising considering that even under the most positive view of Japan's role in that war they're opportunistic bastards that only joined in to cobble up Germany's unprotected colonies on the Pacific and contributed nothing of value to the war effort.

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>>2595847
t. Wang Yuen Liu

>>2595860
t. Shudo Higashinakano

>>2595859
Yes, but Italy was similarly opportunistic and they were treated far better than Japan. Japan may have been opportunistic, but the treatment they had at the victor's table was decidedly racist.

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>>2595883
t. Ping Pong Dong Fong

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>>2595889
t. Nipcuck

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>>2595930
>this obvious fake shit from a movie

kek

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>>2595934
>i-it's fake!!!
Keep telling yourself that and chug down more of the sweet revisionist kool-aid.

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>>2595947
Most of it is indeed fake from a chink propaganda movie. Inform yourself. There is just as much evidence for Nanking Massacre as there is for the genocidal gas chambers.

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>>2595968
Downing that kool-aid like a champ, I see.

The retards on this site, I swear.

>>2595973
>there were tons of journalists there which proves it happened
>but they all left before it supposedly happened

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>>2595981
It was real in their minds.

>>2595981

Wow, weebs really are as delusional as stormcucks. And as incapable of actually reading.

>>2595981
>Massacre started on the 13th
>Sources from the quotes are placed on later dates
>What is reading comprehension

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>>2596001
>>2596004
http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/%257Eremnant/nankingm.htm

>In 1938, the book entitled What War Means written by H.J. Timperley was published. Timperley, who was not in Nanking, but in Shanghai, wrote in the book sensationally about the massacre of Nanking civilians. This book is famous for having given a strong influence to the US public opinions. The information source was also Bates, for Timperley wrote so in the book. Bates, as an adviser to the Chinese Nationalist Party, was thus eager to drag the United States into their war against Japan by telling how bad Japan was. Concerning the strategy of the Chinese Nationalist Party, American journalist Theodore H. White, who had been an adviser to the Chinese Nationalist propaganda bureau, confessed:

> “It was considered necessary to lie to it [the United States], to deceive it, to do anything to persuade America. . . . That was the only strategy of the Chinese government. . . ." (In Search of History: A Personal Adventure)

>>2596029
That doesn't explain the other anon's image, which contains actual sourced quotes from MULTIPLE foreign American journalists. They would have no reason to lie or deceive their own government.

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>>2596029
And the parallels just keep on coming. This is fascinating, please continue.

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>>2595968
>>2595993
>>2596029
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>>2589703
Oh, here we go with we wuz innocent. it wuz the state and shit that made them do it. Imperial Japanese. Wermacht soldiers, government bureaucrats in Imperial and Nazi Germany, citizens living in an entire society organized for war, they wuz following orders and shit .

Honestly, how you people survive being so potato? Imperial Japan didn't just arise out of nowhere anon. Neither did Nazi Germany. You can't just hold the leaders accountable. You have to go after the people who enabled them to. I'm not saying to evaporate them all, but they all have some level of accountability. Hell, even the countries aside from Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany have some level of accountability for not acting sooner to stop them.

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>>2592290

More like the US already knew that it'd be in a position to influence and have access to Europe in a way that it never had before. Japan is on the other side of the world and provided an island for permanent bases and influence in the region.

You're talking about one or the other. As if the US occupying and rebuilding both didn't occur. The US DID occupy and rebuild Germany. It was called Western Germany and was the Western front for the entire Cold War. The US DID establish influence and hegemony over Western Europe. The US DID dismantle and recreate German society, albeit to a somewhat less extreme that Japan went through.

Occupying and rebuilding Japan both improved American geopolitical standing in the region (and world) but also denied the Soviets that same opportunity. Many historians will tell you that it's a significant part of the reason for dropping the nukes-- to quicken and facilitate Japan's decision to surrender unconditionally to the US rather than the USSR.

Beating the Soviets to Berlin in order to establish a 1946 Japanese-esque government wasn't really am option.

>>2596044
Sorry my connection went down for a while and I couldn't respond.

Anyway, they were obviously in league with the chink government. Or they could've witnessed Chinese killing civilians and thought they were Japanese. It was quite common for them to do that: >>2590588

Japanese journalists wrote very differently about it: https://thenankingmassacre.org/2015/07/04/what-japanese-journalists-witnessed/

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>>2593847
>thealternativehypothesis


Yeah, I'll stick with interpreting peer reviewed research rather than basing my views on the ideas of a couple of alt right bloggers.

Read: "Measuring the Impacts of Colonialism: A New Data Set for the Countries of Africa and Asia"

>Protip

There were many different forms of colonialism, styles of rule, and varying impact on countries. Some regions can be defined as victims of colonialism while others colonial nations could be considered to have a net positive result.

P.S. You're a dumb nigger. Read a fucking book and/or go back to >>>/pol/

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I read this book some weeks ago. To make long story short, the Japanese pre-war ideology is as vile as the Nazis one if not MORE. Their wars against the Chinese and European non-Axis power was driven by their Shinto ideologues were the entire world must ruled over by the Emperor. They believe the goal of an individual is to become "one" with the Emperor and make manifest of his will through their own body. It was some crazy hive mind shit, and no, Taisho being an emperor with brain problems does not reduce their veneration of the Emperor himself. Basically, "the Emperor wills it" can be a justification for anything, from systematic war rapes to usage of civilians for weapon research. Japanese pre-war Shinto extremist ideology is so vile that I'm glad US drop two A-bomb and Sovyet marching close to their northern border, ending the war.

>Bu-but muh innocent civilians
No dickheads, many top head military leaders except the one from Council of Six believe that they will sacrifice the WHOLE NATION if it comes to that. Even Hirohito who buy into this extreme ideology because his teacher is pretty Japanese equivalent of Alfred Rosenberg believed that his generals were crazy and there is no way Japan continue their war. Some part of the military goes as far as try to coup the Emperor HIMSELF because they thought Hirohito was poisoned by lies or some shit just to continue the war.

The Nazis would turned green from envy had they know more about Japan pre-war ideology.

>>2596290
They fought to retain their way of life and their emperor. You are brainwashed by Marxists to think evil of them for that.

>>2596290
Gonna read this book. Thanks for the rec.

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>>2596100
>Anyway, they were obviously in league with the chink government. Or they could've witnessed Chinese killing civilians and thought they were Japanese.
Nice unsubstantiated claims without a single shred of evidence, anon. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were grasping at straws!

>Japanese journalists wrote very differently about it
No shit. They were Japanese. Not exactly the most objective source when it comes to this event.

Japs literally ate prisoners of war and mass tortured Chinese civilians and POW's in shit which sounds like out of a saw movie.

Mr Bradley has established that they were tortured, beaten and then executed, either by beheading with swords or by multiple stab-wounds from bayonets and sharpened bamboo stakes. Four were then butchered by the island garrison's surgeons and their livers and meat from their thighs eaten by senior Japanese officers.

Mr Bradley pieced together the horrific truth from secret transcripts of the war crimes trials, given to him by a former officer and lawyer who was an official witness at the time, and the testimony of surviving Japanese veterans.

A radio operator, Marve Mershon, was marched to a freshly dug grave, blindfolded, and made to kneel for beheading by sword, testified a Japanese soldier, named as Iwakawa, at the war crimes trial. "When the flyer was struck, he did not cry out, but made a slight groan."

The next day a Japanese officer, Major Sueo Matoba, decided to include American flesh in a sake-fuelled feast he laid on for officers including the commander-in-chief on the island, Gen Yoshio Tachibana. Both men were later tried and executed for war crimes. A Japanese medical orderly who helped the surgeon prepare the ingredients said: "Dr Teraki cut open the chest and took out the liver. I removed a piece of flesh from the flyer's thigh, weighing about six pounds and measuring four inches wide, about a foot long."

Another crewman, Floyd Hall, met a similar fate. Adml Kinizo Mori, the senior naval officer on Chichi Jima, told the court that Major Matoba brought "a delicacy" to a party at his quarters - a specially prepared dish of Floyd Hall's liver.

According to Adml Mori, Matoba told him: "I had it pierced with bamboo sticks and cooked with soy sauce and vegetables." They ate it in "very small pieces", believing it "good medicine for the stomach", the admiral recalled.

>>2596290
It's sort of semi excusable though because they were essentially a medieval culture forced into the 20th century and did exactly what you'd expect.

Whereas Nazi Germany was a 20th century power which then acted like a medieval power.

>>2589694

>indiscriminate slaughter of civilians is justified if those killed are citizens of a country that has behaved objectionably

Congratulations! You have just agreed with the basic moral premise of terrorism.

>>2597219
>Indiscriminate slaughter of civilians is justified if the action ends up saving countless more lives
Yep, sounds about right to me.

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>>2590170
>The Japs have contributed nothing special to the world.

>>2597135
The Japanese were eating American soldiers? Crazy stuff.

>>2597135
Sauce your pastas
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/06/george-hw-bushs-comrades-eaten-japanese-pow-guards/

>>2590156
>we dindu nuffin kawaii desu ne ^_^

I fucking hate nips.

>>2597258
Even sushi was originally invented in Southeast Asia.

>>2597135
What's the point of eating Americans?

>>2595968
Quite a lot?

>>2597317
Better sources and since I'm not bothered I'm sure the original book or recording exists somewhere.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Japanese-ate-Indian-PoWs-used-them-as-live-targets-in-WWII/articleshow/40017577.cms

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/japanese-troops-ate-flesh-of-enemies-and-civilians-1539816.html

>>2597369
Lots of fat, warrior spirit

Unit 731 looks like a nasty piece of work.

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>>2589703
>I bet you believe they thought the emperor was divine and that was why they followed him.
Is that not what literally happened though?

>>2589694
The Japanese were simply late to the imperialism game and had a lot of catching up to do, they had to condense a lot of evil shit into a short timeframe, whereas other imperialistic nations had been doing evil shit for centuries and were even starting to mellow out a bit.

>>2597890
Pretty much this

I detest Japs with a passion and personally think we should've nuked them back into the Stone Age. However, the West wasn't innocent of oppressing and exploiting Asians, Africans, Aborigines, and other peoples. Their atrocities just spread out over decades upon decades instead of the Nips going banzai ape-shit.

>>2597258
Anime is fucking cancer. Weabs should kill themselves to prevent the gene pool from being tainted.

>>2597329
Exactly. The Japs are a mix of Southeast Asian, Chinese, Korean, and Euro/US cultures over the course of their continued existence. If they never existed, what possible loss would there be to the world? Cartoons catering to pedophilia? Shitbox rice burners?

>>2597156
This is very true. Germany should've known better, but it doesn't help that their society is as autistic as the Nips.

>>2595456
I think anon's saying that the US doesn't want to get dragged into the inevitable conflict in Asia thanks to the ChiComs stirring shit up in the South China Sea and their economic power increasing. Japan's a sinking ship and not worth the cost or effort in protecting their asses.

>>2595509
The Nips should be grateful that the US opened them up because the British or the Russians would've colonized their asses. How do they repay the US? Dirty sneak attack and thinking that we'd throw in the towel. Glad they're nu-male cucks nowadays. They're so faggy and spineless that their women prefer Western men.

>>2595859
QFT

The Japs were lucky to be allied with Britain and lived high on the hog off of it.

>>2595886
GTFO libtard. Nobody trusted the Nips because it was obvious they were eyeing China contrary to international accord.

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>>2589694
They deserved it lol

>>2589703
Implying the nukes weren't a mercy compared to every other scenario on the board.

>>2598286
I'm just mad the Chi-ri never saw action.
And that there is no bamboo militia in men of war 2

>>2589703
Have you ever been such a weeb you start justifying Imperial Japan's war crimes?

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>>2596290
>Basically, "the Emperor wills it" can be a justification for anything, from systematic war rapes to usage of civilians for weapon research.
IN THE EMPEROR'S NAME, LET NONE SURVIVE

>>2589694

Americans are so fucking stupid. Since you're not stopping the bombings and raids in other countries, I think all of you should be wiped out. What a bunch of evil fucks you American twats are.

>>2589694

Only thing the japs did wrong was lose.

>>2599075
Stay mad, weeb.

>>2593605
Ah yes, call a jap a fascist, watch him shrug, call a German a nazi, run from room.

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>>2589694
Hirohito should have been put on trial sentenced to death like Tojo and Göring.

>>2599212

I don't really like Japan enough to be a weeb, but the logic used by Americans is fucking retarded.

>>2591232
MacArthur did what he had to do to prevent Japan from falling to communism.

Left-wing historians haven't forgiven him ever since.

>>2589703
Didn't they drop warning pamphlets to the citizens days before the bombs?

>>2596072
Evaporation isn't jusst though, and what made hiroshima or nagasaki more to blame than any other city in japan? They shoud've been brought to justice but jesus christ that was not justice, that was mass murder.

>>2599284
Not him, but what makes atomic bombing any more or less "mass murder" than any other wartime measure like conventional bombing, blockade, invasion, etc?

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>>2599284
>He thinks justice exists in war

>>2599284
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were targeted because they had large military complexes and stockpiles there.

>>2599304
Tbf he has a point, either little boy or fat man should had been dropped on Kyoto.

>>2599284
Because the firebombing of Tokyo and starvation was so much better right. Also the Japanese could have stopped the second bomb if they really wanted to.

Ayo fuck the Nips!

>>2598076
but why would he say such a retarded thing?
as long as the US has pretences at being a major power, it'll keep japan as an ally.

>>2595690
>Every nation at the time was creating giant empires to show their might.
They weren't. They were starting the process of breaking down their colonies. Even the US has started the process of giving the Philippines their freedoms even before the japs came.

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>>2590625
Not everyone who has a different opinion then you is from /pol/.

>>2590203
human rights are a meme. when it comes down to actual interests, no one gives a shit about anybody else's rights unless there's someone more powerful in a position to make them suffer for it later.

>>2589703
Do you even know what evaporated means?

>>2599250
>did what he had to do
>didn't ban the largest communist party in a non-communist nation

What if Japan never bombed the Harbour?

>>2593986
This is the most disgustingly creepy shit i've ever read. You need to go outside.

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>>2602851

>>2602705
The US would still go to war against Japan. Even if Japan stayed far away from US possessions in the Pacific, there's no way Roosevelt was going to allow them access to the Dutch East Indies.

>>2595930
that is from warlord era China though, pre ww2

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>>2590156
>Japan was the light of Asia

>>2604044
>The US would still go to war against Japan.

The Americans were not going to tolerate hundreds of thousands of their brothers, sons, husbands and fathers going off to die in some shitty jungle just to protect European colonialism. They didn't do it when the Japanese invaded French Indochina either.

>>2599250
i think its more he fucked up korea. we had the north koreas fucked but macarthur kept pushing like a retard and got china involved which got a ton of americans/nato/un killed and us pushed back to the 38th.

>>2590126
>against the blatant militarism that its leaders were doing against fellow Asians
>fellow Asians
You have absolutely no idea how Asians think, do you? All Asians hate other Asian countries.

>>2592689
I literally don't see your point. The children were honurabu for the emperor. Death before dishonor

>>2605092
Nips are animals. I refuse to acknowledge them as human.

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Oh boy.

>>2597369
We're seasoned.

>>2589694
learn 2 historical context
also this >>2589703

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>>2599382

>>2598105
the Russians got BTFO actually

>>2607447
>This is your brain on anime koolaid

>>2589694
The bombing was totally un-necessary because the Japanese were already ready to surrender. It was more of 1)Testing it on a viable target aka not practice houses 2)Showing the USSR who's got the big dick in town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB3D8dkVFAU

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>>2607494
>The Japanese were already ready to surrender

>>2593717
>do irreparable damage between and in societies throughout an entire continent
>try to optimise colonies for nothing more than MAKING AND EXPORTING WEALTH
>"hurr durr GDP's the only thing that matters you silly NIGGERS"

your nose is showing

>>2607500
They were, so long as allies would had basically let them to keep all of their pre-war holdings and their leaders would not have to be tried as war criminals. Or in other words; zipperheads still had problems to realize that they had lost and weren't in position to make any demands.

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>>2607494
>What is the mass training of civilians for gorilla warfare during the prelude of the expected invasion on the main islands?

In April 1945, the Japanese cabinet resolved on reforming Kokumin Giyūtai into civilian militia. In June, the cabinet passed a special conscription law, and named the militia units Volunteer Fighting Corps (国民義勇戦闘隊 Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai?).
The Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai would be organized, if the Allied landing unit close to the Japanese homeland. Governors of Prefectures could conscript all male civilians between the ages of 15 to 60 years, and unmarried females of 17 to 40 years.[1] Commanders were appointed from retired military personnel and civilians with weapons experience.

The Volunteer Fighting Corps was intended as main reserve along with a "second defense line" for Japanese forces to sustain a war of attrition against invading forces. After the Allied invasion, these forces were intended to form resistance or guerilla warfare cells in cities, towns, or mountains.

Strength
Some 28,000,000 men and women were considered "combat capable" by the end of June 1945, yet only about 2,000,000 of them were recruited when the war ended, and most of them did not experience combat due to Japan's surrender before the Allied invasion of the Japanese home islands.

>>2607500
http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm
Literally a list of top military brass that said Japan was ready to surrender and that the bombing was not needed

>>2607479
all the actions you may talk about were made by deranged army units, unlike what the nazi did
would you say that America was as bad as Hitler because of the atrocious shit some fucked up officers did in Vietnam?
also Japan had no choice but to become imperialist once the imperialist western powers came there, before that they used to be an isolated country for centuries

>>2607542
>just because they were ready-ing for a last ditch effort means that they wanted to keep fighting
wew

>>2607563
>Sure, we'll surrendered since you are shelling and bombing our cities and harbours from every direction, but only if you treat our leader and brass with respect, not put them on trial for the atrocities committed all around the pacific theater and you let us keep the clay we got
>What? You won't lick our boots? Give lil' Hanako there an arisaka.
Totally ready to give up the fighting.

>>2607575
Read This
>>2607544
>>2607544
>>2607544

>>2607544
>nip aligned fifth columnists & assorted weaboos trying to make it sound like allied powers should had sold asia to their japanese overlords

Real nice material you got there, m8. Bet that you also unironically quote Göring&Goebbels when it comes to allied strategic bombings in Europe.

>>2590126
Topkek
what are you, 15?

>>2607544
>http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm
You know what I don't see there? A single quote from a contemporary Japanese figure saying they were ready to surrender.

>>2595774
>Still believing the Nanking meme
Send my regards to the CPC

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Imperial Japan - Best Japan

>base your entire culture around honor
>put huge emphasis on being honorable in battle
>actually go to war
>pull the most evil, dishonorable shit imaginable

Island chinks are the worst.

America shouldn't have dropped the bombs, they should have just kept firebombing them until it was all ash and then let the rest starve to death.

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>>2607546
>T-they had no choice but to burn down Chinese villages, starve people to death, commit mass rape and stab infants in front of their parents!
>Nips are gud bois!
>They dindu nuffin!

>>2607705
instead they helped them like they did with Europe, they became friends and they built an impressive economy that is mutually beneficial
hateful retards btfo

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haters gonna hate

>>2607735
were the sick fucks who perpetrated the my lai massacre representative of all America?
No, same for Japan.

>>2607778
No, it's not. What the Japs did was Government-sanctioned. It wasn't just an isolated incident like what happened in Vietnam. The fucked up shit the Nips were pulling was happening across the board.

>>2607778
That's a false equivalency. My Lai was an isolated incident that was universally decried by pretty much everyone, whereas the Japanese atrocities weren't just systematic, they were often endorsed by higher-ups.

Could there be a genuine sociological reason the Japanese preformed such atrocities or are you guys just gonna call em monsters all day

>>2607831
Read the thread.

>>2607803
They were singular incidents that had no real relationship with each other, and the Japanese leadership always tried to do their best to stop war crimes from happening but they couldn't catch all of the people that perpetuated them. By and large Japanese and Germans believed in waging a clear and humane war and all war crimes that occurred were because of actions of sick individuals that weren't approved by senior governmental and military officials. This of course is unlike the western mentality that reveled in their cruelty and viewed systematic and widespread war crimes as an integral part of their overall war strategy. Any and all claims contrary are just post-war propaganda designed to make the western aggressors look good while vilifying innocent German and Japanese soldiers&politicians that got caught in their imperialistic schemes.

>this is what nazi and nip apologists actually believe

>>2607835
>Japanese leadership always tried to do their best to stop war crimes from happening
No, they didn't. The most you had was a token statement of disapproval with no real action to make sure it stopped, let alone didn't happen again. Hell, with bigger things like the Kwantung Army fucking around with Manchuria, you even had the Japanese media egging them on. And with operations like Unit 731, they sure as shit had approval from Japanese leadership.

Actual isolated incidents of war crimes are understandable, especially in a war as large as the Second World War. But Japanese war crimes were far more than isolated incidents.

>>2607850
>this is what nazi and nip apologists actually believe

Next time, you might want to read the whole post before responding.

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>>2607858
Ah my bad m8. Here's something for your troubles.

>>2607850
This.
Hirohito and the people around him were full of shit.
They considered the chinks as subhumans and didn't care much about the crimes (its the loser's fault for being a loser).
In addition to that, the IJA were bloodthirsty criminals. Unlike the IJN which were more educated people.

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>>2607696
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_weber.html
Get bent fag. Why would the US military brass even say they had been reached out to by the Japs saying they're ready for peace if it makes the US look horrible?

>>2607950
>ihr

Are you a "holohoaxer" as well?

> Why would the US military brass even say they had been reached out to by the Japs saying they're ready for peace if it makes the US look horrible?

Because it doesn't and only makes them "look horrible" to a fantastic weeb such as yourself. The Japanese trying to get what was essentially a status quo ante bellum, to the rest of us, looks like incredible insanity. And of course, you have the fact that historically, the actual attempt to surrender after two nukes was almost prevented by a last minute coup attempt. Japan was definitely ready to continue the struggle in the summer of '45.

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>>2607950
>IHR

>>2607950
>Basically the wanted status quo.

>>2607950
only an unconditional surrender was acceptable, the militarists had to be pried out to prevent them making war again

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>>2607881
>Unlike the IJN which were more educated people.
>he fell for clean(er) ijn meme

>>2589953
Because americans hate the white race.

>>2607881
Both arms were just as bloodthirsty. The Manila Massacre was perpetrated by the IJN, who ignored Yamashita's (IJA) orders to retreat to the mountains and put up a defensive fight. Instead, this sick fucks thought since they were gonna die anyway, they might as well have all the "fun" they can get.

>>2609720
The IJN is also the branch that kept pushing and pushing for war with the USA, even after members of the IJA argued that it would be unnecessary even if they did need to attack the Dutch and British. Which they also weren't too crazy about. And the IJA had to veto the IJN's insane plan to invade and sack Australia.

What are the best books on Imperial Japan and on the Occupation?

>>2589694
Japan was better off being a Feudal country, ever since they made the Emperor as a figurehead and the Daimyos controlling shit behind fucked up history in the long run.

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>>2609742
I remember this weeb acquaintance of mine who absolutely believed that Japan was itching for war with Russia alone, not America. Also believed Japan dindu nuffin and it was America who forced them into going to war. He blocked me after a series of arguments.

>>2595828
Of course Onee-sama! Even Unit 731 was really a Kindergarten but was exaggerated like the Auschwitz.

>>2596029
>.jp
Weeaboos actually believe this shit. Literally all form of media from the Japanese pertaining to WW2 is them trying to downplay warcrimes and gain sympathy for the "big bad Americans".
Even documentaries from them, especially the NHK is biased wholey to Emperor.

I can tolerated Wehraboos, but good lord you Rising sun faggots are retarded.

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>>2607494
>>2607544
>>2607610
Fucking Weeaboos can't even /his/, the Generals and Politicians themselves were ready to surrender but only if they let the emperor keep his power and other ridiculous demands for a nation that is on the verge of defeat. That's why Operation Downfall was being fucking planned but wasn't executed because of the long Campaign and additional casualties of Americans, Japs and civilians alike, hence the fucking bombing., A NEET named Mikasa in Nipponland is laughing his ass off for how easily susceptible you idiots are.

>>2589694
>two
>only two

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>>2590156
>>Japan wants to expand their borders like all the Europeans and Americans right after fuckfest of WW1
>>bunch of Europeans and Americans criticize them for immoral aggression

No shit

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>>2590156
>Japan was the light of Asia and could've helped her brothers and sisters in China and the rest of Asia
By colonizing them and attempting to destroy their cultures

>Japan made some mistakes
>some

>but we are demonized for pretty much no reason other than the fact that Japanese are not white.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHC1230OpOg

>>2597369
>>2597457
I wonder what they tasted like. Probably good.

>>2601482
Today American imperialism still exists why they deny the right of the Japanese to express the same.

>>2599382
No real point in nuking Kyoto. It had lost all value as a military target by the time the bombs were dropped. Same with Tokyo. It would be more out of Bomber Harris' "Bomb them because it makes them afraid" playbook rather than Bombs Away LeMay's "Bomb them until they can't even make rifle rounds and if they get afraid that's a good secondary effect" playbook.

>>2602858
He's right though. Jap chicks are gross. : (

>>2607705
>you should act honorably when you're enemies are the dishonorable ones

>>2602851
t. reddit

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>>2610589
>tfw he lived long enough to become the bad guy
;_;

>>2605092
Can someone confirm the legitimacy of that photo please.

>>2610638
>That terribad feeling when everyone still misquotes him.

>>2610605
>Sneak attack.
>Honorable.

>>2598057
>Shitbox rice burners?
Lel'd

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>>2610673
It wasn't a sneak attack. It was a preemptive strike against imperialism.

>>2610503
Not colonize but build up and improve on their culture.

>>2610651
Not legitimate. It fake.

Why didn't the US just do nothing?

Like, Japan is pretty fucking far from the US's east coast, and I can't imagine japan had the infanstructure to even begin to seriously plan an invasion on US soil.

Was anything preventing the US from just fucking off and letting japan be once Germany surrendered?

>>2611495
The Soviets.

>>2589694
>evil fucks
The concept of evil is a Western concept, totally alien to the Asian mind.

The difference? Shame only exists in the presence of observers. No observers, no shame. If it doesn't harm your family, no shame.

So a Japanese could totally experiment on prisoners while they are alive and do unspeakable things to him and then sleep like a baby. Their culture is different.

>>2590156
>liberate their fellow Asians
>liberate
>implying the Japanese didn't treat everyone else like shit
>implying Japanese didn't think other Asians were inferior and vice versa
kek

>>2611495
>Why didn't the US just do nothing?
That might be the stupidest post in this thread. Well done.

>>2611495
Because Japan bombed the U.S. on its own soil and conquered both its own territories and those of its allies by force of arms.

Many of Japan's targets were not only homes to U.S. military personnel, but U.S. citizens or citizens of states under U.S. protection.

In addition, Japanese activity had crossed multiple ethical and (more importantly) economic 'lines in the sand' with the U.S. in the years leading up to the war, directly antagonizing what the Americans had already considered their established sphere of influence.

You fucking massive idiot.

>>2596290
>They believe the goal of an individual is to become "one" with the Emperor and make manifest of his will through their own body.
based! wtf i love imperial Japan now

>>2590170
Regarding cars, I only buy Honda.

>joins league of nations an organization formed to keep world peace
>starts a war in China
>wtf why does everyone hate me?
Was it autism?

>>2612072
Was japan still bombing US inhabited terriotry at that point in the war?

As far as the

>Well they were attacking our allies/were acting unethically/anatagonized us before

Part of it, we've never had consistency in going after other countries for ethical reasons and simply doing it because they poked us too much isn't inherently a reason to hit back

>>2593583
Because no one brings up Dresden right

>>2612713
Yes as well as invading Guam, Wake Island, and the Philippines.

>>2612713
>and simply doing it because they poked us too much isn't inherently a reason to hit back

Are you Justin Treadu?
>If you kill your enemies, they win

Of course retaliation is an inherent reason to hit back. Otherwise, doing nothing just sends a message to the world that you're an easy target who'd roll over and allow external threats to harm you. That aside, there was an ethical reason to enter the war with Japan. In the end, the needs of the many were chosen over the needs of the few. Who knows how much more wanton carnage the Nips would have wreaked if they didn't get those nukes dropped on them. By taking a few hundred-thousand lives, millions more were saved.

>>2589914

They didn't invent anime, they half-assedly stole it from the west. Then the west half-assedly stole it back.

>>2612772
The entire debate is "was using the atomic bombs necessary", so, yes, debating if striking back at all was needed is relavenant

> That aside, there was an ethical reason to enter the war with Japan. In the end, the needs of the many were chosen over the needs of the few. Who knows how much more wanton carnage the Nips would have wreaked if they didn't get those nukes dropped on them. By taking a few hundred-thousand lives, millions more were saved.

My point is that there's plenty of times and cases where this same thing would be true where america doesn't act. I'm saying it was hypocritical of us. For example, in regards to

>Of course retaliation is an inherent reason to hit back. Otherwise, doing nothing just sends a message to the world that you're an easy target who'd roll over and allow external threats to harm you.

This is retarded, there's plenty of cases where not responding to attacks would save more lives in the big picture. Look at how the world responded to terror attacks and 9/11 in particular. All that's done is made matters worse, had we just thrown our hands up, and responded to it rationally, then there wouldn't be an issue.

Or, you know, had we allowed the middle east to westernize before we fucked it up for oil, because we are so concerned with ethics, amirite?

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>>2612995
>and responded to it rationally
Are you saying that "two countries for two towers" isn't a rational exchange ratio?

>>2595833
the colony was taken from its owner as a punitive measure though

the atrocities happened while congo was private property of the king of belgium but not part of belgium itself in any way. During the congo freestate period the belgian government had no legal or practical authority.

>>2590126
American civilians should just protest against the blatant militarism that its leaders were doing against fellow humans. Instead they just obeyed as good little worker ants, feeding into the American military-industrial complex. The Russians and Chinese had resistance strategies that tried to undermine the imperialists, but the Americans just had Michael Moore. They could rise up and overthrown the assholes in charge but typical Americans being submissive bitches.

>>2612995
>My point is that there's plenty of times and cases where this same thing would be true where america doesn't act. I'm saying it was hypocritical of us.
You're ducking the issue at hand, which is the fact that America bombing Japan was a necessary evil for the sake of defeating a much greater and more brutal evil. There's no hypocrisy about it.

>This is retarded, there's plenty of cases where not responding to attacks would save more lives in the big picture. Look at how the world responded to terror attacks and 9/11 in particular. All that's done is made matters worse, had we just thrown our hands up, and responded to it rationally, then there wouldn't be an issue.
That's another false equivalence. The sole purpose of going to war with Japan, outside of retaliation, was to stop the Imperial Army's expansion further into Pacific territories. Once that was accomplished, the fighting ceased. The US Government had a plethora of ulterior motives for invading the Middle East that had more to do with profit than anything else.

Citizens aren't the leaders.
>>2612781
No they didn't, anime is completely distinct from Western animation.

>>2589694
>they were horrible people
Eh, Japanese civilians were less culpable then German ones. They never voted in any election to confer power on the militants. Germany did.

And any ethical argument in favour of the A-bombs really shouldn't be based on moral equivalency, but on expediting the end of the war.

>>2611476
You absolute fucking liar.
That's real. That's Nanjing.

>>2614702
i'm american and not the person you are replaying to but it is known to be fake. take your CCP propaganda elsewhere

>>2614709
>but it is known to be fake.
Prove it.

>>2597322
t. kim chong longbong

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>>2598057
>>2597322
ITT: Gooks and chinks being jealous of glorious nippon steel as usual

>>2614857
>he says while Japan basically imported their culture and technology from China

>>2614867
>While China proceeds to constantly fuck itself in the ass with autistic civil wars and cucked by foreign powers for centuries on end
Oh and lets not even get started on the state of contemporary China:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/468353/chinese-tourist-poo-outside-burberry-shop-bicester-village

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>>2605092
>>2614702
>>2614789
That's from a Chinese propaganda movie, you stupid chink. Google it. Lmao, do you really think the Japanese would document themselves stabbing a fucking baby so it could be used against them later?

>>2615168
It happened you subhuman weaboo.

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>>2614924
>Japan is cucked by a foreign power atm.

>>2592702
>Name a single country better off before colonialism.
India.

And soon to be America and England (inshallah)

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>>2615620
>Not knowing when to greentext
Typical slant eye

And China is cucked by it's own degenerate government and populace, people like you included of course

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>>2615594
What happened? The photo isn't real no matter how much your buttdevastation over Japan wants it to be. There are many other photos presented as legitimate that are from the same movie as well.

One of the things to consider is that the Imperial Japanese military, particularly in the Chinese theater, were generally stretched very thin, and many groups often fell out of communication and supply for extended periods of time where they were for the most part, left on their own. Battered, fatigued, heavily armed soldiers left to their own devices in a chaotic warzone with no supervision and expecting little opposition often lead to human tragedies, as history tells us time and time again.

Many of the war crimes committed by Japanese military forces were often against standing official orders. Even punishments, up to and including execution of perpetrators of various war crimes, including rape, arson, and murder, did not always rein in the troops. There are various reasons for this but a combination of being unable to consistently maintain and reinforce chain of command, discipline in the ranks, and little recourse for the victims meant that war criminals generally had a free hand to act.

Their long, brutal campaign against an opponent that they had long standing ethnic tensions with only added fuel to the fire. Many Japanese soldiers had been fighting a long, exhausting, and bloody campaign against a tenacious enemy they had expected to defeat quickly and easily. They regularly faced partisans/resistance fighters that would hide among the civilian populace, using guerrilla attacks and civilians themselves occasionally taking up arms spontaneously. And the Chinese populace in general were extremely uncooperative and did not often have pleasant interactions with Japanese military forces.

Combined with a lack of supervision and lack of consequence for crimes, this ended up becoming an environment where Japanese soldiers often felt justified committing horrific acts upon both prisoners of war as well as civilians under the guise of 'pacifying' rebels or guerrilla fighters hiding among the populace, which was generally inhospitable to the invaders.

>>2616170
I would argue that the Japanese civilian populace at the time was not "particularly vicious". On the other hand, the military was plagued by both disorganization and war crimes. In 1931, during the Mukden incident, a Japanese colonel essentially unilaterally invaded Manchuria from Korea without orders from the government, and was promoted for his audacity despite his expectation that he would be executed. This revived the ancient Japanese idea of "gekokujo," literally meaning "the weak over the strong." The idea was that local "daimyo," or lords, could overthrow or overrule those who were supposedly superior to them, such as the shogun.

This idea was revived, as many lower officers in the Japanese military envisioned themselves following in the colonel's (now general) footsteps. As a result, often times senior officers would have little idea what was happening on the ground, or if they did they were either unable or unwilling to do anything about it.

For instance, during the Bataan Death March, General Honma had laid out a plan to feed and move American prisoners from the Bataan peninsula to a series of camps. The problem was that he had arrangements for only 25,000 prisoners, not the 100,000 that actually surrendered. Japanese logistics here were overwhelmed, and the soldiers guarding the prisoners essentially were left to their own devices to move them from point A to point B.

Japanese military discipline was notably savage, with officers and NCOs physically abusing their underlings on down to the general enlisted. Many of these troops took out their frustration by beating and killing the prisoners. For his part, Honma, who was forced to retire by the high command for being too friendly with the Filipinos (some of his officers attempted to have Filipino officials executed under his name, which he was able to stop) , and concerned with preserving the lives of his troops, claimed he was busy laying siege to Corregidor rather than overseeing the march.

>>2616178
In another instance, another Class A war criminal, General Yamashita, had difficulties managing the conclusion of operations in British Malaya after the capture of Singapore. He turned a bit of a blind eye to the Sook Ching massacres of Singaporean ethnic Chinese, although he did notably intervene after some Japanese troops broke into one of the hospitals and killed some patients (by having the offender executed and going to the hospital to apologize). He too was tried and convicted of not controlling his troops and preventing massacres, in what has become known as the Yamashita standard of command responsibility.

Worst of all was the China theater, which was additionally fueled by ethnic animosity between the Chinese and the Japanese, In the infamous Rape of Nanking, the general in charge of the South China Area army, Iwane Matsui, was fully aware of "abominable actions" happening in Nanking under his watch, and publicly denounced atrocities in a speech he made during the massacre. But he did not or was not able to rein in his troops, However, Iris Chang contends that he was used as a fall guy for Crown Prince Asaka, who was also in charge of troops during the massacre.

Nor was this solely relegated to the army. While you had several notable instances of humanity, such as the Japanese destroyer Ikazuchi picking up over 400 survivors of Allied ships (for comparison, the ship itself held little over 200 crew), you also had instances like the Japanese submarine I-8 forcing survivors to walk the plank and proceeding to machinegun them in the water. These totally polar moments suggest that the IJN too suffered from incredibly poor command-control and that officers on the ground more or less had the final call of who lived and who died.

>>2599274
Yes but they blew away into the country side because LMAO summer winds

>>2616180
The government had also basically lost control of the military. For the most part, the government was mostly too busy trying to function properly. Through a certain provision in the Japanese Constitution, a government required an active member of the military as one of the members of the cabinet. The IJA simply ordered all of its officers not to serve on a cabinet if they decided they didn't like the prime minister. Meanwhile, while the high command was playing political musical chairs, the lower echelons were pretty much free to do as they wanted.

Ironically, the very person who was responsible for the Mukden Incident, Kanji Ishiwara, ended up being one of the biggest pacifists and outspoken opponents of the military regime, especially Tojo, who he referred to as a "useless man who can do nothing but wave his Kempeitai around." It was said one of his first actions upon being promoted to general at the Kwantung army was to berate the staff officers for sexual misconduct, which quickly made him unpopular among members of the army.

In fact, after the Marco Polo incident, he was so against the war that he flew to Nanjing to attempt to negotiate with Chinese leader Chiang Kai-Shek personally. These sorts of actions eventually cause the government to force him to retire, where he spent his time berating Tojo's policy, including a call for his arrest and execution, and later an alleged attempt to assassinate Tojo by using a sumo wrestler.

>>2612049
underrated

>>2611471
>build up and improve on their culture.
By destroying their heritage sites, banning their language, forcing them to change their names to Japanese names, take rice, any metal product from them, etc.

FTFY

>>2595968
Didn't a card carrying Nazi attempt to report the shit nips were pulling to Hitler to try to get them to chill the fuck out?
I think he was in nanking and used his membership in the party to tell the nips to piss off well be tried to save chinks.

>>2611912
Japan was to be multicultural empire. It was liberation.

>>2615594
t. Really angry Chang

>>2616201
No by uniting them under one standard and sharing their nation's prosperity.

>>2615168
>>2616158
You still haven't shown a shred of prove in your autistic little rants.

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>>2616443
You WANT it to be real but the fact is that it can be disproved with a quick Google search. I mean, use your fucking head, why would they photograph themselves stabbing a baby?

>>2616473
Still haven't shown any proof.

>>2616473
Well, why not show us here now so you can prove yourself right?

>>2616473
>the fact is that it can be disproved with a quick Google search
if it's so east to prove why haven't you done it yet?

>>2616484
>east
*easy

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>>2616473
Prove it wrong then and stop denying Fascist Japanese war crimes.

>>2592702
haha a mad subhuman mongrel cumskin..bet you are Americuck huh?