ITT: Good guys who were just too dumb

How was he "good?"

>Alix Feodorovna
>Good

Sure thing, buddy.

>>2587180
he called himself the "little father" of his people and was living in the delusion that the majority supported him

>>2587179
He visited Japan once before he went to war with it, and he got a weeaboo tattoo and someone tried to assassinate him for no apparent reason. Its no surprise that he later warred with them

>>2587179
Me

>>2587188
what i mean to say is that although he did some stupid shit his intentions were good and he cared for his family even his pet dog (if you read his diary) which i understand are useless traits for a leader but you get the point

>>2587188
I think he meant that he had good intentions and was personally a nice person despite being a useless idiot

>>2587188
>>2587206
Whoops replied to the wrong person

ITT: Generally shitty people who I guess were absolved by gruesome and undeserved deaths

>>2587213
t. le enlightened liberal redditor

Hitler

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>>2587179
>do your job horribly and literally condone millions to death
>you and your family meet the same fate but at least they live a life of luxury beforehand
>people still obsess about you forgetting all the other that died because of your incompetence, idiocy, stupidity, ego, shitty decisions and disregard for human life in general
Why is this wifu romanov fag that keeps making these threads is not banned yet?

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>>2587179
In Chinese history: none other than Yue Fei.
>My god, why am I being recalled from a war of reconquest by the Emperor on behalf of allegations of my rebellious nature by two of my powerful mortal enemies in the civic bureaucracy? Better go lightly escorted to find out.

>>2587325
So pretty much a dumber Julius Caesar?

>>2587188
>he called himself the "little father" of his people and was living in the delusion that the majority supported him
They did.
He was murdered by a clique of jewish agitators who then subjugated the entire population with force.
Bolsheviks were 99% jewish.

>>2587237
It's sad because he really did try at his job, it's not his fault he was born as a 5th level inbred freak of nature.

He should have a farmer instead of an emperor, guy was kind to his family, just a complete retard when dealing with protestors and war. He should have dedicated his live to grow potatoes rather than ruling the biggest empire on earth.

>>2587179
Name one good thing he did. Didn't his people starve and the queen despised the peasants? She even had a quote about the masochist nature of the people

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>>2587188
The Bolsheviks were hardly any better but Nicholas II reign was shit in almost every way, it doesn't matter if he considered himself Little Father while his soldiers massacred strikers and minorities like the Jews were murderously persecuted like it was still the 17th century.

The only positives are in some of the competent men he had under him (Witte, Stolypin) and, in comparison to the Bolsheviks, he didn't isolate Russia.

>>2587429
Multi hull drifting was too ahead of its time

>>2587376
>thinks bolsheviks were the only revolutionaires
>makes up stats

>>2587376
Better bring out the infographics, my guy. I'm not sure I believe you, but an excel graph with dishonest citations might convince me.

>>2587484
>The only positives are in some of the competent men he had under him (Witte, Stolypin)

And in those two particular cases, it was precisely the Tsar's incompetence that led to their respective exits from Russian politics - Witte because he could no longer contend with Nicholas II's obstinacy and pathological lying, and Stolypin because of the almost-comic levels of idiocy in the Okhrana that led to his assassination.

Nicholas was more interested in receiving counsel from his wife, despite the fact that she was an out-of-touch loon primarily driven by petty arrogance and absolute subservience to mysticism.

>>2587179
>bad guys
>good guys
>in history

it's not about what's right it's all about what's left

>>2587484
>like the Jews were murderously persecuted like it was still the 17th century.
I won't say that there was no persecution at all, but the anti-semitism of late tsarist russia was actually pretty tame and has been exaggerated. the tsarist state itself I think was pretty indifferent to the fate of the jews, but just like any other kind of violence, anti-jewish violence was seen as disorder that threatened the state, and so the government made a bit of effort (though not enough) to control it.

>>2587376
>muh gorillion billion jewish bolsheviks

>>2588562
Relatively tame or not they still killed thousands of people in the 20th century (and that's not looking at rapes, wounds, property damage, etc.) and the state still had serious anti-Jewish laws.

Though of course it pales in comparison to the violence of for example the Khmelnytsky Uprising in the 17th century (or even just the pogroms that followed in the chaos of the empire's collapse), the comparison was a bit of an exaggeration.

>>2588786
yeah I also didn't realize that 5k-10k got killed in the pogroms (a very rough estimate from reading the wiki article). probably a bad way to go. but arguing from sheer statistics, the soviets did a lot more damage through forced population movements and cracking down brutally on the jewish religion and culture.

>>2588504
really makes u think

>>2587325
A lot of Chinese generals knew what was going on when this shit happened, but went anyways out of loyalty and honor.

Chinese history is full of retarded idealistic pseudo-intellect nerds trying to kill off the Chads who actually defended the people well.

I fucking hate the treachery that some of us do.

>>2587441
Abso-fucking-lutely.

Some of the most powerful communists, including one of our Chairmen, were nationalist defectors.

>>2587183
Reminder, Alix did nothing a good mother wouldn't have done in her position.

>>2587188
>he called himself the "little father"
The populous had been calling the Tsar that since forever breh

>>2587321
t. communist apologist

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>>2587179

>>2587213
kys reddit faggot.

>>2587180
>how was he good
What the fuck are you implying? That it was okay for a Siberian Jew to murder those little children? Go kys.

>>2587321
>history is a bloody thing
Yeah, what's your point? How many died under Lenin, Stalin? Beria? A hell of a lot more than under the Czar. Careful, I see your commie genes showing thru.

The Bolsheviks were shit but the Romanovs had it coming.

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>>2590048

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APPEASEMENT DOESN'T WORK IDIOT

>>2592719
It all depends on the actual extent of what the individual wants. It didn't work with Hitler because he always had that stupid lebensraum idea in the back of his mind.

>>2591108
Nobody implied that, you dipshit. You just jumped on the opportunity to signal to everyone how redpilled you are. People are allowed to question whether a historical character was good without simultaneously suggesting that said individual deserved to be slaughtered alongside their entire family. I've got no love for communism and I don't try to justify its atrocities, but that's plenty compatible with thinking Tsar Nicholas was a bit of a fuckwad.

>>2592719

this man sits begging to passersby at the gates of hell

>>2592719

Not when you're dealing with a nigger-race like the G*rms it doesn't.