what was the worst time to be alive?

>>2584957
Right now, you simply cannot prove me wrong.

>99.99999% of 7 billion people in some sort of slavery.

>most cannot secure survival in a time of unparalleled wealth.

Call me le wrong generation all you want, but safety form other nations/raiders has come at a huge cost. Fucking huge.

Dark Age

Not as in Medieval Era, legit age of the fall of Rome

Everything was going haywire everywhere

3rd Century Rome

I feel like pre history would be pretty shit.
>big predators everywhere
>vying for dominance with Neanderthals
>no technology
>caves

I'm pretty convinced the next two decades will be humanity's curtain call.

>>2584968
>He says, from the comfort of his home, through the luxery of the Internet
You're a pampered little kid who thinks he has it rough. Try living through an actual famine before talking all that shit.

>>2584968

What makes you not in "some sort of slavery" if you're operating on such a stupidly broad definition?

>>2585078
>actual famines that still happen today even though we have more arable land than ever
>not proving my point

>>2585093
Wage slave is not some edgy 4chan term.

>>2585056
>that image
What am I looking at?

>>2585123

As opposed to what? What point in human history do you think people were so "free"? Do you thin 99.999999% of people today fit your definition of "wage slave"? Including people in agriculture? If so, what makes them somehow "more enslaved" than the farmers of earlier history? Or the hunter gatherers?

>>2585161

Stockpiling? Actual communities which barely exist today.

How about instead of being a simple contrarian you actually provide more points?

You are literally arguing working for your family and your community is the same as working for $9.99, for in most cases, longer amounts of time during the day.

Like, you're making literally not one single point but sperging out, good show senpai. But yes, life was hell for everyone during the middle ages because if you got a disease you would be ded, fucking kek.

>>2585177
>How about instead of being a simple contrarian you actually provide more points?

You're the fucking contrarian, you made a statement, I questioned your statement. So answer my questions.

>Like, you're making literally not one single point but sperging out, good show senpai.

If by "sperging out" you mean "questioning the autistic shit you're brainlessly spewing without explanation" sure.

Do you think 99.999999% of people today fit your definition of "wage slave"? Including people in agriculture? If so, what makes them somehow "more enslaved" than the farmers of earlier history? Or the hunter gatherers?

Does the food you grow leaving your community magically make you more of a slave? If so, how? What definition of "slavery" are you operating on? Or are you just another walking talking NEET meme?

>>2585195
You literally just replied word for word what you did before hand senpai. And I asnwered your question mate.

Agriculture back then
>I wonder if this season will grow us enough crops to feed our village
Agriculture today
>I wonder if I can grow enough to raise my capital by another 15%

I asked you to make actual points, and you simply repeated yourself.

>You're the fucking contrarian, you made a statement, I questioned your statement. So answer my questions.

You've literally just admitted to being a contrarian senpai, google it. You are being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, you're even throwing in aspects of ad hom into your argument. I mean, again, I asked you to make actual points after I answered your question and you are repeating yourself.

I mean, continue?

>>2585195
We all are working for the jew man

>>2585195
>>2585213

Let me tl;dr your argument.

>you cannot be right because you live in the first world!
That's literally all you've got.

>>2584968
I would've said "in the middle of the Black Plague" but sure let's go with your whining instead

>>2584957
Eastern Europe early-mid-1940s

>>2585213

What do you mean "make actual points"? I'm not making an argument, I'm questioning YOUR argument because I think it's a shit argument. And your shit argument is a contrarian argument posed almost exactly because it's against popular opinion, "m-m-muh wage slaves fucking capitalist cucks!"

What is your definition of slave? What makes a farmer who owns their own property produces something and sells the property of somebody else, and how do you think this is somehow exceptional to the modern day? How do you think farmers of earlier times producing "enough crops to feed our village" somehow makes them more free than someone producing "enough crops to raise my capital by another 15%"?

>>2585226
>implying diseases aren't still ravaging the world today
>implying they aren't getting worse

Sure. Let's go with the most over-hyped disease of all time. More people died during WWI and WWII, but yes so much worse than today, how dare I suggest that modern times might be the worst because I was lucky to be born on the very small minority of those who are lucky, how dare anyone actually become aware of the plight of others and not live in their little ignorant bubble.

How dare they!

That's you, by the way.

>>2585232
>What makes a farmer who owns their own property produces something and sells the property of somebody else,

Mistyped: "What makes a farmer who owns their own property produces something and sells the product to someone else" is what I meant to say.

>>2585232
Are you literally retarded? If you think my argument is shit, stop arguing, that's literally as contrarian as it gets, holy fucking shit dude.

This is what you do when you think someone has a shit argument not worthy of actually arguing.

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>>2585238
>If you think my argument is shit, stop arguing

>DON'T QUESTION MY GARBAGE RATIONALE THAT I CAN'T EVEN DEFEND BECAUSE I'M WORKING ON A RETARDED DEFINITION OF A LOADED TERM YOU'LL TRIGGER ME REEEEE

What if I like calling out fuckwits and watching them squirm and fail to actually rationalize the shit they spew?

Being critical of garbage arguments isn't being a contrarian. Not accepting some jackass saying shit who can't actually defend his point isn't contrarian.

>>2585246
You are still going senpai. You cannot work out the logical reasoning as to why someone who is farming 24/7 raising crops is somehow directly than a village who farms what they need as their stockpiling can only handle and last so long.

Your whole argument of the worst time to live is now revolving around agriculture because you want to argue something you've got literally no reason to.

You are literally, fucking literally as contrarian as it get's with, as I suspect, little to none mental faculties.

You are going to continue after this, for literally no fucking point.

>What if I like calling out fuckwits and watching them squirm and fail to actually rationalize the shit they spew?

Seriously, get help, it's pretty obvious you do not deal with actual real life people on a daily basis if that's what you enjoy.

>>2584968
Nice b8

>>2584957
Bubonic plague europe

>>2585258

I must've triggered you pretty hard family man, you're hardly coherent.

What's your definition of slavery? Why is "stockpiling" indicative of slavery? Why is selling your crops for profit instead of sustenance slavery? Why is modern times unique in this regard? Why do you think people before capitalism were all subsistence farmers?

If I was rejecting a reasonable argument for the sake of rejecting it, I'd be a contrarian. I'm asking you to define the loaded terms you're spewing out, which your argument depends on. Rejecting a flawed argument because it's flawed isn't contrarian, it's rational. You're getting butthurt because I asked you what the fuck you were talking about.

I'm gonna guess being a worker during the Industrial Revolution time, where worker rights were none or minimal would be pretty rough.

>>2585265
only decent answer so far.

>>2585177
>Like,

3/10 i replied.

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>>2585050
this. Prehistory sounds like hell. My greatest fear is to be transported back like several 10s of thousands years and be forced live out the rest of my life there. id live such a depressing existence fuck

Being an Injun during the Spanish colonization.

I'd say being unarmed in the middle of a battlefield during the Taiping Rebellion.

probably beginning of agriculture, neolithic. It's the worst of all possible worlds

>Roaming gangs of bigger, stronger Chad hunter gatherers ready to wreck your shit and take your wheat and steal Ungette
>Not having any idea what the fuck you're doing when it comes to farming, having to deal with stuff like soil depletion and failed crops without knowing what's going on
>Malnourished because of your unhealthy diet of starch with occasional meat scraps
>All while working 16 hours a day
>nothing to do in the half hour off you have off once a month
>your only relief is shitty booze

>>2585417

I forgot

>non-trivial threat of giant predatory monsters ready to fuck your shit and ruin your entire settlement

>>2585417
>Not having any idea what the fuck you're doing when it comes to farming, having to deal with stuff like soil depletion and failed crops without knowing what's going on

I'm pretty sure they knew what was going on, they just couldn't abstract it using science the way we do today.

Knowledge about the physical world usually exists within the framework of a culture, meaning no single group of 5 people ever knew how to do farming. It was either a whole village or a city-state where knowledge was concentrated.

>>2585456

I know what you mean, I just mean in relation to pretty much all time after we had more efficient methods of farming and better tools

>>2584957
any but now

>>2585265
Literally this, can't think of anything as bad desu

>>2585650
Fair enough. Farming pretty much is the most back-breaking of all labor without any tools.

>>2585318
This was my first thought. You'd either die of disease, be enslaved, or watch the majority of the people around you die. Shitty fate no matter what.

>>2585318
being a smallpox ridden injun during the Spanish colonization

>>2585313

Have you ever seen a documentary about african tribes?
They live pretty much surrounded by big, aggressive animals and do you know what happens when they go for a tour around the village? All the animals just go out of their way, including elephants and lions, no questions asked. Animals cant handle a predator that can throw things at them, they dont have an instict for it, so they just run. Probably what happened with our ancestors as well.

>>2584957

>the years immediately following Toba eruption
>anywhere around Mediterranean during Bronze Age Collapse
>Dark Age Europe / MENA
>Mongol conquests if you were on the receiving end
>WWII Ostfront

>>2585821
>anywhere around Mediterranean during Bronze Age Collapse
idk, it might have been pretty cool if you were part of the horde leaving your homeland to destroy everyone else's

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>>2585886
>idk, it might have been pretty cool if you were part of the horde leaving your homeland to destroy everyone else's
It wasn't cool for them either.

When the tide turned against the Sea Peoples, the Egyptians were pretty merciless to their civilians.

>>2584968
>Europe, 13th century
>die at childbirth

>Western USA, 19th century
>survive childbirth
>Die from typhus at age 4

>farmer, anywhere, any time in history
>work all day in fields
>lord/king/emperor/whoever takes away your crops and leaves you a pittance

>21st century
>live longer than any human beings ever
>freer travel than any period in time ever
>better medical care
>more food
>more information at hand
>comfier homes
>comfier clothes
>cleaner living conditions and sanitation
>ect
>mom tells you to get a job
>bitch about it on an online community of people you can instantly talk to from around the world

People work themselves to death to maintain social image, buying things they don't need. Expensive clothes, car, house, phone, ect. Yes these are nice luxury things, but not something any human being actually needs to survive. If people only worked for the minimum of comfortable living, they would have to work way less.

>>2584968
These times suck but it's definitely not the worst time to be alive.

>>2585123
It's not slavery because it's voluntary. You can become a NEET if you want to

>>2585821
to add to this list
being involved in a major offensive in the 1st world war
being an italian soldier under Cadorna
being a hungarian soldier under hotzendorf

>>2584957
Syria right now is pretty awful. It's as predicted Kojima predicted.
Maybe the Mongol and Hun invasions and during the many periods of turbulence in China.

WWI also looks bad.

>>2585985
*Kojima predicted

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Being a Native American when old world diseases arrived must have been horrifying.

>>2585235
>overhyped
You insensitive nigger France was 50% smaller in population over the span of a century. You have no clue what you're talking about.

>>2585265
This or in a major city after the Mongols came.

>>2585821
>anywhere around Mediterranean during Bronze Age Collapse
Was it that bad? They just had small villages in Greece, sounds comfy. No big-ass city states, no kings, no wars.

Any time without real communism

>>2585417

imagine being OP at this time
imagine the response to a cave-post like this
>OOOH BOO HOO I GET 8 HOURS OFF LITERALLY EVERY DAY TO FUCK MY CAVE-WIFE AND DRAW WHAT A FAGGOT

>>2584968
>safety form other nations/raiders

we aren't safe at all

they just call themselves "refugees" and "economic migrants "now

Living in the Soviet Union at any time

Living in modem day Sweden

Being Poor in England during Industrial revolution would have sucked - go fuck around in places that will easily kill you all the while breathing coal fumes and being poor.

>>2586122
>using percentage statistics
>ever

>>2586195

On aggregate, life in the USSR was decent by world standards from the 1950s to the late 1970s.

I'm not taking your Sweden /pol/ bait, especially since the folkhemmet is perhaps the pinnacle of 20th-century statecraft.

>>2586218
>I'm not taking your Sweden /pol/ bait, especially since the folkhemmet is perhaps the pinnacle of 20th-century statecraft.
But you already did.

>>2586218
>folkhemmet
You mean national socialism?

We'll see how their policies do without cohesive social homogeneity. An indigent ethnic underclass is already ruining everything it touches.

But hey, what are constant race riots in the face of experimental immigration policies?

pre-culture

>>2585974
This desu, being in the trenches during WW1 must have been as close to actual Hell as it gets.

>>2586203
Spotted the lefty

>>2586203
Percentage statistics are great wtf

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>>2584968
people who did not waste 4-8 years learning non skills in liberal arts colleges are doing perfectly fine.

any time in history because life is hell

>>2584968
Like the total opposite.

Even our poorest live lives of luxury compared to the past.

OUR POOR PEOPLE, ARE FAT

>>2586369
i wasted 5 years learning non skills and doing drugs at a liberal arts college and i'm doing fine

>>2585313
>when Manmoths walked the earth.

>>2586218
>since the folkhemmet is perhaps the pinnacle of 20th-century statecraft.

Folkhemmet is literally just what social security in America would look like if America wasn't a corrupt shithole.

>>2585955
>It's not slavery because it's voluntary
>It's not slavery, man! It's indentured servitude!
Neck yourself

>>2584957
This exact moment. We are under sexual/social/physical control. Like in other ages, but controlled with better tools.

>mfw this thread is full of people who think cholera and constant warfare are better than perceived injustice today

>>2585050
nah that would be pretty lit

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>>2585056
hopefully?

>>2584957
Rome when hannibal attacked

>>2587671
I would say in Paris during the French revolution would be worse. The Romans didn't start chimping out and destroy their institutions and government out of sheer panic and mob rule like the French did when they thought Brunswick was going to kill them all. All they really did was worship a big rock and call it mom.

>>2585050
>le humans lived in caves meme

don't forget they also had pet dinosaurs!

>>2586789
what do you do
i want to do it too

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Being a member of the Grande Armée when retreating from Russia.

>>2587671 being a roman soldier in the cannae battle

>>2587697
>tfw ywn have a rock mommy

>>2584957
Probably during those mass pandemic times

Plague, Spanish fever etc.

Stupid question, place is just as, if not more important. I'd rather be a 13th century noble, than live in the 21st century as a malnourished sweatshop worker with lead poisoning.