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ITT: Battles where the good guys lost.

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>>258077
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marathon
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Any battle in which Germany won.
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>>258077
You really need to read the Qu'ran properly before you shitpost like this
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>>258077
Battles lost by the crusaders.
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>>258077
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vittorio_Veneto
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Waterloo.
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>>258077
;_;
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>>258089
this but unironically

the achaemenids were completely justified in invading the greeks

>muh rebels

fuck off you were living under the achaemenids, the worst that could've happened would be a mildly offensive depiction in some persepolis mural
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>>258721
get rekt stormfag
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Alexander conquering the Persian Empire
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>>259070
>the achaemenids were completely justified in invading the greeks
Since when does "justified" necessarily mean "good"?
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The battle of Waterloo and any other France lost in the Napoleonic wars.
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>>259116
Greeks were sexist man! And racist too! Persia was more tolerant and progressive, a better society. They were the good boys.
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First Battle of the Marne.
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>>258089
>>259111
Persian fag, pls go.
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>>259585
>revolution in France threatens the royals oppressing all of Europe
>royals tell their slaves to fight and die for them just cuz
>Napoleon is defeated by the people he sought to liberate
>forestalled uprising of the lower classes leads to even worse communist revolutions
Feels bad. What could have been.
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>>259765
John Green isn't wrong.
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>>259782
>a better society
That's where his whiggish history goes wrong.
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>>259775
Alexander is a meme leader.
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>>259801
That depends on how you look at it. Greece had a lot of slaves and Persia didn't.
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>>259835

since when does having slaves make a society worse? what kind of childish grading is that.
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>>259840
>implying thinking slavery is bad is childish
I can't take you seriously. Perhaps that was your intent.
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>>259870
>>259835
But saying one is objectively worse is childish and no respectable historian would say that.
You're looking at history the wrong way.
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>>258483
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vittorio_Veneto
This desu
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>>258098
Found the nigger
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>>259922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
Here's an educational video you filthy fucking Prussian.
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>>259890
That's why ais said "IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT".
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>>259939
But saying "better" about history at all doesn't accomplish anything.
"Persia was better than Greece in some ways" doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't depend on how you look at it.
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The Battle of Teutoberg forest which stopped the spread of civilization into a uncivilized land.
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>>259958
Alexander is largely looked on fondly by most joe schmoe wasterners. Getting them to question that perspective by judging the conflict by modern sensibilities gives such people a broader and more critical understanding of history, which was pretty much Green's mission statement when he said it.
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>>259100
In what way, shape, or form are the Soviet union the good guys?
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>>260101
You forget that their logic boils down to
>le evil racist nazis!
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>>260095
He did that to give highschoolers a more critical understanding of history, so if you're a highschooler with a narrative view of history it may seem enlightening.

But it runs counter to proper historiography. If you want to talk about how the Persians were the "good guys" don't do that on a board for real history.
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>>260119
I'd agree with you if we weren't in a thread about judging who the good guys and the bad guys.
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>>260137
Just because a thread is stupid doesn't mean it's ok to encourage the stupidity.
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>>258483
rip Austria-Hungary, Central Europe's last chance at relevancy
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>>259781
nice alternative history

how about the real version where he made his own family members kings of conquered states and forced these states to give him soldiers for his army or where he had himself declared emperor and married an austrian royal so he could be part of the aristocracy? or that time the people of europe actually ended up loving their incestuous opressing rulers because compared to old nappy they weren't so bad after all?
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Hey! First time posting here, cool thread topic OP.
My list for Antiquity:
Alesia
Actium
Last Carthago's battle against Scripio
The fall is Syracuse
And I can't recall any for now...
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Siege of Constantinople obviously.
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>>260177
This, close thread.
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fucking normans

reeeeeeeee
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>>260166
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>>260101
They were on the right side for sure
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>>260172
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The great people's battle at Leipzig.
Napoleon would've united Europe otherwise
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>>259835
Literally everyone in Persia was the king's slave. If they gave wages (a lot of the time they didn't, as the Spartans found out when working for them down the road in the navy), it was because they had a massive empire that paid tribute to them.
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>>259840
Slavery is awful you lardbag
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>>260223
>Literally everyone in Persia was the king's slave.

So just a normal absolute monarchy?
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>>260208
They were on the right side but they were a worse evil than the Nazis.

World War 2 should have been Germany, Britain, and the USA combating the soviets in a joint effort.
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>>260245
Shut the fuck up.
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>>260223
>Literally everyone in Persia was the king's slave.
>Literally believing in Herodotus tier lies.
Lol, it's like Proskynesis: which is the traditional Persian honor to the King of Kings.

Herodotus and Greeks went buckwild with that and said LOL PERSIANS WORSHIP THEIR KINGS. WHAT BARBARIANS.

>mfw Persians never did. Ever
>Mfw Greeks did under Alexander & the Diadochs.
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>>260258
Good argument
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Gettysburg

>Berg

It's close but the good guys still lost
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>>260245
They certainly were not, the only reason the Red Army acted the way it did against the german population and everyone else is because Germany were literally trying to wipe out all slavic peoples
The socialists were just ruled by a paranoid dictator, the nazis entire ideology was fucking insane
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>>260189
Saxon England could have been so fucking sweet.
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>>260529
No. They were basically barbarians and they needed a firm foreign hand to steer them in the right direction
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Days
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>>260223
So being a subject of the British monarchy is the same as being a literal slave?
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>>260541
Latin detected.
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>>260555
So is being subject to an autocracy like North Korea or Eritria isn't at least comparable to slavery?
When the leader of your country can rape you on demand and choose what job you are going to have for the rest of your life?

Stop drawing false equivalency, if you mean Feudal Britain then I still don't see how the serf system can't at least be compared to slavery, it directly supplemented it.
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>>260586
>Stop drawing false equivalency
lol, wut? I was calling out a false equivalency. Being subject to a monarch is not equivalent to slavery in any practical sense.
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>>260258

Make me fuckboi
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>>260314
>the only reason the Red Army acted the way it did against the german population and everyone else

That isnt why people shit on the soviet union you idiot. People shit on the soviet union because it starved millions of its own citizens to death, killed a ton of innocents in the revolution and because it was an oppressive totalitarian regime and a total police state. Not to mention shit like the katyn massacre and gulags and killing german and non german civilians in ww2 and basically raping half of eastern europe for 50 years
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>>258676
>Fighting for a woman
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>>258676
>there will never be a burgundian state
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Battle of Berlin (1945)

IN B4 BAN, WAIT:

>Soviets fail to take Berlin on their own
>Allies armies finally have an excuse to press forward
>No German partition. Maybe even Czechoslovakia gets at the other side of the Iron Curtain
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>>258721

no good guys here
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>>260853
>Maybe even Czechoslovakia gets at the other side of the Iron Curtain

The Americans literally had the Czech republic then handed it over to the Soviets. Fucking çucks
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>>260813
What?
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>>262067
They had a small part of Bohemia and could have presumably gone a few kilometers further but they didn't even have the Czech part in its entirety.
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>>260166
Never ever
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>>260189
The thing is, if the Anglo-Saxons had an effective leader to rally behind after Hastings, the Normans could've been defeated. Especially when they had a bout of dysentery (including William) and weak enough to not resist a counterattack.
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>>260628
Ceterum ceseo FUCK YOU PUNIC SCUM REEEEEEEEEEE
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>>259735
>The War of Northern Aggression
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>>263555

>Toyota War

Legit thought it was a joke name. Holy kek
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>>263625
The problem was the flower of Englsh nobility died at Hstings. It didn't help that the Anglo-Saxons lost irreplaceable men at Fulford Gate and Stamford Bridge. In fact, the Earls of Mercia and Northumbria didn't do shit in the crucial days after Hastings. If they had lent their full strength to Edgar Atheling, the Normans could've been penned up at Hastings. Especially if the English had laid waste to the surrounding countryside and with autumn in full swing, William's army would've been fucked. Keep in mind that the Normans burnt their ships so that they wouldn't retreat. The English had seized the ships that Harald Hardraada had brought so they could've thwarted Norman reinforcements from the mainland.

And the southern thegns should've mobilized the burhs and evacuated all the people to London. Launch hit-and-run attacks on the Normans until weather, hunger, disease, and attrition would give them the opportunity to land a decisive blow.
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>>258077
[spoiler]What empire is this?[/spoiler]
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>>264432
byzantine
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>>259070
achaemenids were shit m8
no worthy cultural achievements whatsoever. no philosophy, stolen art, corrupted religion, decadent materialism, and so on.
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>>264512
oh, forgot to mention they were still using cuneiform while literally everyone else around them had adopted alphabets centuries ago. kek
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>>263672
Cato the Elder strikes me as the guy with the biggest stick up his ass in all of history.
Has this guy ever said anything positive? Has he ever expressed even an iota of happiness on record?
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>>258077
If they were so "good" then why did they lose?
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Invasion of Poland
Winter War
Waterloo
Third Crusade
Fall of Byzantium
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>>259474
kek
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>>263555
>FAP
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>>258077

>there are 'good guys' and 'bad guys' in history

Literally a meme view of History
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>>260177
You mean when the crusaders sieged it right ?
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>>263555
The Toyota War is amazing.

The Chadians found that driving over minefields at 100mph allowed the Toyota trucks to safely escape the mine blasts after activating them.

Also, the Chadians got supplied over 400 Milan ATGMs by the French, that they then mounted on their trucks. What resulted was a bloodbath, the Chadians would flank around Libyan defenses with a couple hundred Toyota, then pop off some rocket fire and .50 cal fire then retreat at 100mph before the Libyan Tanks or APCs could regroup and return fire. And the French Airforce made sure that the Libyan's could not use their superior airpower to engage these convoys, so the Chadians were almost untouchable out in the open.
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Famagusta
>Commander surrenders
>Turks cut off his ears and nose and then skin him alive anyways
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>>259710
REMOVED
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>>260258
Fuckboy detected
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>>259474
God bless america
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>>260565
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World War 2.

The nazis goals were no different than Manifest Destiny. If they won, America and Europe would be far greater and we would have achieved world peace by now.
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>>265145
>people unironically believe this
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>>265145

kill yourself
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>>265190
>>265164
>>265145
In all honesty what stopped France and England from supporting the fascists in fighting communism? Surely they would've known that fascism was at least to them the lesser evil when they at least had diplomatic relations before declaring war. Was the sentiment of neutrality so strong in France that they'd happily wait to be invaded?
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>>265316

>Surely they would've known that fascism was at least to them the lesser evil

They did believe Fascism was the lesser evil at first. Why else do you think they just let Germany roll over Czechoslovakia and Poland? They wanted to turn Germany's aggression on the Soviet Union away from them. Hell, even after Poland was invaded they still held out for peace. Their delusions were crushed when the Nazis attacked.
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>ctrl+f
>crimean war
>no results
You never fail to disappoint /his/.
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>>259938
>six million jews.
you fucking twat
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>>265145
World War I, I can see being justified to a degree. World War 2, you're either contrarian or a naziboo, but either way >>>/trash/
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>>258077
pic related
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>>264938
France wins again
Hon hon hon
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>>260565
Death to the Sais!

Return the Lloegyr!
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>>260101

Are you fucking kiding me ,boy ?

Do you know the reslults/consequences of CCCP ?

My country is fucking dead (mentally) because of that faggots ..
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>>264938
that's like orcs and eldar
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>>266185
Hungarian here, can confirm

Fuck the Soviets, and fuck every stupid shit that thinks they weren't a bunch of lowlife shits playing government
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>>258077
Zama and Metaurus. Romans were assholes who destroyed one of the greatest ancient civilizations.
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>>260101
The Soviet union was horrible but so was Nazi Germany.
Neither of them were "good guys".
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>>264512
>Buying Athenian propaganda
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>>260310
I've heard all the arguments and I still can't see the confederates as "good guys" or "justified"

They got bootyblasted for reasons and tried to do their own thing, then got BTFO. If anyone were to try and make the same arguments today, they would get told to sit down and shut up, do things via the proper channels.
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>>264957
Are you surprised? The Turks are and forever will be slime
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>>267595

s-sorry

sorry about that booing at the football game too
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>>259710
>implying
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>>258123
>Meanwhile, as I continue to suck hippy cocks.
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Red Cliff
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>>260101
>>260114
>And now we see the >>>/pol/ shills at work, casually tossing Nazi Germany into the thread and asking why you like communism when you call them on their bullshit.
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>>259735
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>>264512
goddamn it anon, you don't fuck up like this
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>>259840
From a non-moral standpoint, slavery does not work in an industrialized society. To expensive compared to waged labor.
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>>264332
Edwin and Morcar were fucktards. They held back what remained of their troops (remember they got mauled at Fulford Gate) and actually submitted to William in hopes of keeping their lands and title. BIG mistake.

The thanes of Wessex and East Anglia either died at Hastings and Stamford Bridge or were mortally wounded. William had an easy time getting himself crowned king in London because of the lack of organized opposition.

The only real chance England had was Sweyn Estrithson sending help before the Normans built their castles. The Anglo-Saxons would've rallied behind a Danish king than a Norman one easily.
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>>268520
It's amazing how the Normans were able to dominate England yet the Welsh were able to stop them. The Welsh even beat back the Vikings; something that Northumbria and East Anglia were unable to do.
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The Battle of Kinsale.
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>>265090
Fucking gold.
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>>260628
stay mad Hannibal.
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>>271564
Longbows man
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>>259735
Hi /pol/.
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Every battle that the British won in The Boer War.
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Battle of Yamama, or any during the Muslim invasion of Sassanian Persia.
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>>258676
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>>259735
Yeah, Grant was basically playing Russia with the Union Army.
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>>272572
Jesus those numbers are insane
Didn't Germany only have like 8,000,000 in WW2?
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>>275398
Nobody won the 30 years war
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>>259474
Does this trigger you?
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>>263555
There's so many people in that truck you'd think they were Mexican.
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>>264527
>Has this guy ever said anything positive?
There was his one true love.
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>>275432
But the Czechs definitely lost it. After that battle their written language suppressed for ~200 years, among other things.
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>>260172
Fuck literally every other battle you mentioned by srsly Alesia rip Vercingetorix
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>>260547
CATALONIA SHALL SECEDE
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The entire Russian civil war
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Poltava

I cri evry time
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>>263555
Fucking Chads REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>258077
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>>258077
>good goys
fixd
Stop thinking in absolute terms.
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>>260189
Fucking Harald Hardrada invading at the worst possible time.
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>>260565
Why are the Saxons dressed like Lannisters?
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>>279350
Hardraada wouldn't have invaded if it weren't for Tostig. Somebody should've killed his ass before 1066.

And Harold was a dumbass for having his ship floundered and getting "rescued" by William. That and swearing a forced oath on holy relics.

If anything, if Harold had backed Edgar Atheling as the new king, William doesn't get Papal blessing or as many troops to invade England. The Anglo-Saxons wouldn't have needlessly rushed in battle because the threat of excommunication isn't there.
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>>258077
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>>258721
>Over extending your flanks
>Having Romanians guard your flanks
>Not even going after the main objective anymore
The 6th were dead from the start
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>>276938
Bog Peter go back to your hovel

Do not get in way of resplendent karl
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