When did you grow out of your byzaboo stage and realise that

>>2569066

>superior
>collapses

>>2569069
>it lasted longer therefore it is superior

>>2569066
Never had it in all honesty because Byzantine history is kind of boring. WRE collapses, then it's 200 years of autistic arguing over monophysitism before they spend 800 years very slowly getting their shit pushed in by goat fucking desert barbarians and constantly calling on Western Europe to save them.

The WRE as a whole, even the final century, is more interesting to learn about.

>>2569095
That is a really strange generalization.

>>2569081
Yes that is typically a pretty good indicator that an empire is better than it's rivals.

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>>2569095

Honestly the fall of the Byzantine Empire is MUCH more interesting to learn about than its rise/middle era.

>>2569136
Using your logic the Ottoman Empire is superior to the Roman Empire/WRE or the British Empire which is completely absurd.

Heck Im even starting to see the Ottoman empire as better

>>2569204
How is that absurd? The Ottoman Empire was an incredible accomplishment.

>>2569204
Ottoman Empire is better than the Roman Empire in many ways if you don't include the Byzantines.
But you should, because they were fuckin Roman and definitely more Roman than anyone in Italy by 600

>>2569232
>if you don't include the Byzantines.
Don't you mean especially if you compare them to the Byzantines? Since that was the Roman successor that was actively engaged in long standing cultural, military and commercial aggression with the Ottomans. Byzantines kinda loss that one.

it was conquered, so there wasn't anything to root for but the east

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Western Romans had some pretty cool looking soldiers and shields

>>2569081
>Ate with their hands
>Superior

>>2569568

call me old fashioned, but I think that looks stupid

>>2569568
Looks like something out of Elder Scrolls.

Was Athens really that shit where they chose Byzantium over it?

>>2569095
Invention of the trebuchet in Europe, ship mounted and portable flamethrowers, innumerable wars, internal strife, medieval history of slavic peoples, bureaucratically, and civilly complex, went out with a crazy last stand. What's not to like?

>>2569081
yeah that's pretty much the indicator

if it wasn't superior it would've collapsed quickly, like west Rome

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>>2569605
why

despite so much wealth the eastern empire never achieved the cultural achievements of past greek states

>>2569255
It wasn't a successor, it was Rome.
>inb4 didn't hold Rome memes

Muhammad and his band of raiders burst out of Arabia at the perfect time to cuck the sassanids and the Byzantines really hard at the same time.

>>2569633
And I don't think any of it is anywhere near as interesting as most of the history of the WRE or pre-split Empire. The reign of Nero and the Year of the Four Emperors alone is a more compelling period of history than the entirety of the ERE.

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When did you grow out of your byzaboo stage and realize that the Ottoman Empire was superior in every way?

It must have sucked to be a Roman from the east or west if you knew any history, to know how badly Rome was fucking itself and how good they had it

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>Rome
Get on my level, plebs

>>2569095
I find it boring but not in the same way. I seems to be all about how a good but stern emperor was starting to put the empire back on its feet, the treasury was recovering, garrisons were being replenished, frontier fortresses rebuilt, but then he was overthrown by an ambitious general/noble celebrated by the army/people who, once in the throne, proceeded to be a terrible emperor who undid everything the previous one had done. Starts with the death of Justinian and goes on for about 900 years, over and over again.

>>2570365
What's Sri Lanka got to do with this?

>>2569222
>right place at right time
>accomplishment of being lucky

>>2569066
COLLAPSE

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>>2570365
>Byzantium: 1058 years
>Venice: 1100 years

Suck it Byzaboos.

Also, St Mark's Basilica is the best example of Byzantine architecture ironically.

>>2569620
Byzantium's strategic location and natural defenses were extremely valuable, which is why it was chosen as the place to build Nova Roma.

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>>2569066
Truly growing up is realizing Rome should have never sperged out about Tarquin & son and actually kept their based monarchy.

>>2569066
Western Rome was full of mud, poverty and Forrest niggers. Eastern Rome in and by itself is my waifu

Did the ottomans even do anything

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>>2569095
>>2570979

>boring
>most of byzantine history is a struggle to survive against neighboring states that gang up, pillage, and attack you constantly

some of you are just really reaching

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childhood is thinking Marian legionaries look the best

adulthood is realising the Late Roman legionaries are the superior troop

>>2569066
>Poorer
>Worse army
>Worse emperors
>Got rekt much earlier
>Full of filthy G*rmanics

Nope.

Ranked most interesting Roman time periods, keeping in mind the amount and quality of sources we have (otherwise kingdom and early republic would rank higher):

1. When Shit Got Real, Real Fast (Marius and Sulla, Social War, 110 BC to 80 BC)
2. Late Crisis of the Republic (80 BC to 44 BC)
3. Consolidation (44 BC to 25 BC)
4. Early Crisis of the Republic (133 BC to 110 BC)
5. Julio-Claudian Principate
6. Crisis of the Third Century
7. Later Principate
8. Middle Republic (Third Samnite War to 133 BC)
9. Early Republic
10. Demise of the West, Rise of the Greeks (AD 400 to AD 630's or so)
11. Dominate and Christianity
12. Kingdom

And there you have it folks, the history of Rome (753 BC to AD 630's) R.I.P

>>2571711
>Julio-Claudians that low

Otherwise this is a ten/ten ranking.

>>2571711
I'm okay with this.

Why rank #10 so lowly, though? Because of the sources or do you find it not so interesting?

>>2571785
Mostly interesting because of the transformation from one-man dominated republic into a literal de facto empire, and because of Tiberius and Nero.

>>2571810
More of the same as the dominate, just more bullshit palace intrigues and remote or uninteresting personalities. Nonsensical conquests that wrecked the empire financially, memed into the extreme as if it's interesting, mostly interesting for Anastasius, Phokas, Heraclius, and the mother of all Roman-Sassanid Wars.