Was Hitler really that bad as an artist?

no, he apparently wasn't very clever though and just going through with the motions isn't enough

The Shading here is fucked.

Shadows all wrong.

He had potential but was egotistical as hell.

He probably made hundreds of these ala sweatshop, only way to explain such ridiculous mistakes.

>>2568993
Should've sticked to Blitzkreig

I thought it was a meme but that shit is painful to look at

>>2569011
Objectively speaking, Hitler was also terrible at genocide.

>so many survivors

>the botched perspective on the bottom left window

But he wasn't bad, just mediocre.

He was mediocre, but he lost out to far worse artists.

>Inb4 "go back to /pol/

>>2569028
The perspective is usually the worst thing in every single painting he every did. OP's pic is actually one of the better ones.

Well at least he's better than George W.

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>window behind the stairs
>the size of that door

>>2569123
No, not at all lol

>>2568993

if he had gotten an actual education he could have been pretty good

>>2569017
to be fair his goals couldn't be met unless he conquered the entire world so its not like that was ever going to happen.

>>2569123
It's just a hobby for Dubya tho, not like Dubya is aplying to any fancy art school or trying to make a living off it.

>>2569139

I disagree

>>2569151
europe contained most of the jewish population in the world at that time, so not really...

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>>2569139
its shit

>>2569158
trust me, there were plenty of jews west of the Pacific Ocean and behind the most powerful navies in the world. And even then, the logistics of killing that many people in such a short period of time WHILE waging a world war is pretty intense stuff, how much more can you ask of them they stacked the box scores.

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>>2569139
I actually don't like bush as president but i actually like these dog paintings. there's a certain playful innocence to them

>>2569159
ok maybe you are right but I think Bush is at least better at composition and creativity. Hitler just does boring ass landscapes and cityscapes

>>2569174
yeah i looked up the numbers and you're right. only about half of world's jews were in europe

>>2568993

The top two windows are OK. What the he'll was he doing on the bottom left one?

>>2569137
That image is probably misleading to non-Germans.

The parliamentary assembly is not to be confused with the parliament.
It just elects the president, which is mostly a representative job, contrary to the chancellorship.
People elected to the PA (or federal assembly, as it should be called) don't have to be members of any parliament, and it is in fact very common that prominents such as artists, writers, or sports people get elected. See: The trainer of the national football team is in there.

Of course, the parties make sure beforehand whom gets elected as the president, so the whole assembly, too, is just representative.

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>>2569177

Just admit you hate Hitler more than Bush already and get over it. Sheeiet.

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>>2568993
He was about on par with the shadman.

>>2569159
>>2569175
He paints like a child. I for one find them adorable.

>>2569151
>his goals couldn't be met unless he conquered the entire world

patently false.

I'm curious, what do you think Hitler's goals were?

holy cow, that's bad

really bad

like wow, that's going on the wall of a highway hotel lobby

As an amateur sure he was quite talented. He needed major work and being accepted to school would have made him quite good I think. Most likely not a revolutionary but probably quite popular mainstream artist for the middle class

>>2569248
Eradication of "Judeo-Bolshevism", which, yes, involved removing Jews and Bolsheviks from the world. That in turn requires control over pretty much everywhere.

>>2569241
No he paints like an adult with little experience. A child's painting usually lacks perspective and depth

>>2569293

>lacks perspective

where have I seen that? :^)

>>2568993
He couldn't into perspective at all.

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>>2568993

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Hitler was the artistic genius of a generation, with an unparalleled aesthetic vision in the legacy of Goethe and Wagner.

Even at a young age the (((((jews))) could tell how the light of his brilliance threatened to destroy their dark world of usury and international control, so in order to stop his ideas from reaching the masses the (Judio-muslim zionist) board of directors at the Akademie der bildenden Kunste Wien rejected his application to study, so that they could vilely use this once noble aryan institution to push such degenerate ""artists"" as Anselm Feuerbach and Gustav Klimt, a known solicitor of the Jewish race.

Truly the wretchedness of the Jews knows no bounds. But luckily plucky young Adolf was able to rise above these challenges to free Germany, nay, Europe, from unprecedented destruction and disenfranchisement, and in some ways single-handedly save western civilization from demise.

Pic related. If Hitler could do these pieces with such finesse, such elegance, at the mere age of 20, just imagine what he could have accomplished had he not had the Jews holding him back his entire life.

>>2569137
I legitimately thought that was a clown

>>2569394
It is

>>2569398
no it's a tranny

>>2569159
desu the one on the left has a poignancy about it

>>2569159
>implying this isn't dubyah's style

>>2569410

>it's not really art unless it looks pwetty!!!

>>2569159
Would hang on my fridge/ 10

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>>2569435
>Ignoring centuries of constantly improving technique is justified as long as I pretend it has an intrinsic meaning

his shading, perspective, and composition were all thoroughly fucked. he was good for a hobbyist, I guess

>>2569435

agreed

>>2569466
Probably why he wanted to attend school to learn more

>>2569435
Degenerates like you shit up the glory of the renaissance

>>2569410
All of the works on the bottom half are honestly much more pleasing to the eye than Hitler's trite pap. I'm glad he was rejected: he had no vision, and he couldn't accept that.

i'd say streetpaintersellingpicturesinasquare-tier

not shit but not good either

>>2569465

So a photograph is the epitome of artistic talent then?

>>2569487

>glory of the renaissance
>FUCK OFF DAD WE WUZ ROMANS AND GREEKS AND SHUT

No thanks

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>>2569410
>tfw if Hitler never seized power the Weimar Republic would've continued to produce THICC art

Truly the worst timeline.

>>2569487

Shut your WE WUZ ass down white goi.

>>2569487
lol shut up you ahistorical stormnigger philistine

>>2569410
Holy shit that muddled mess on the bottom left and the half-drawn portrait. Are these finished pieces? How are people pretending that the artists didn't just get bored or couldn't figure out how to finish and called it quits?

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>>2569528
You had me going for a while there. Well baited my friend.

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>>2569506

>So a photograph is the epitome of artistic talent then?

That's why art is heading to somewhat of an existential crisis in terms of technique.

Anyways doesn't justify pretending to like shit "thought provoking" (nah) modern art. You can still make beauty without reverting to stupid shit-on-canvas crap.

(edited to make more sense)

>>2569542

>waa it's bait

He was ok and could have improved, plus he was way better than the average art student nowadays.

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>>2569548

Maybe there will be VR and 3D art scenes in the future.

Stagnation in the medium is what's causing the directionless and pessimistic "hurr durr blank canvas is art now" and "I signed a urinal because it's art" bullshit.

New horizons will mark the return of beauty.

>>2568993
Look at those four windows senpai. and the stairs, and the fence and so on.

Its like one of those MC Escher mindfuck pictures,
The perspective of the entire scene is just super fucked.

>>2569405
What's the difference?

>>2569410

I like the pieces by the guy just under captain mustache

>>2569582

SIEG MEIN KAISAA

SIEG KAISAA REINHARUDOO

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>>2569548
>You can still make beauty
Why did you post a Bo Bartlett then?

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>>2569548

mmm Bo Bartlett. Delicious

>>2569648
>>2569659

bipolar hivemind detected

>>2569648

w-well your waifu a shit haha epic comeback

Yes

Now fuck off neckbeard

>>2569139
W's new stuff is pretty dope, he's come a long way from the bathtub.

>>2569704

Now he's just painting thank you for your cervixes

>>2569548
>Anyways doesn't justify pretending to like shit "thought provoking" (nah) modern art. You can still make beauty without reverting to stupid shit-on-canvas crap.

The art contrasted to Hitler's work wasn't shit though. It clearly required both skill and careful forethought, the artists just saw fit to actually experiment with the medium.

>>2569465
>continuing a genre that others have done and done better is an artistic statement
>questioning a genre or trying to create a new one is not

>>2569659
>>2569548
Can he only paint people in profile or front on?
What a hack.

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>>2569724

>It clearly required both skill and careful forethought,

Is this yours by any chance?

>>2568993
If you can't tell that that door at the top of the stairs is about 3 times too tall, I can see why you cannot immediately recognize how terrible Hitler was as a painter.

He had absolutely no sense of distance, scale, or perspective. He was not only a total amateur, he was a particularly bad amateur.

>>2569743

A simple googlio search would've solved your mystery, wiseguy

>>2569752
Is that a yes?

>>2569746
Nope. I don't defend all modern art, just that the pieces contrasted to Hitler's there (the top and the bottom there) have artistic merit. We needed to explore art that isn't beautiful for the same reason we need to explore tragedy as an artform; getting out of the idea of inspiring insipid positivity is necessary for the genuine growth of a medium.

>>2568993
He's decent. Had potential but probably thought he was wayyy better than he was. Couldn't paint figures for shit and had some pretty terrible paintings mixed in with some half-decent ones

>>2569763

Well I'm not defending Hitler's art so there's that.

We are getting into opinions so I'm going to brake here.

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>>2568993
Daily reminder.

>>2568993
Hitler's art has glaring technical flaws. Perspective consistency being one of the most prominent.

Artists like Hitler were fairly common in Vienna during the time period. They sold paintings as souvenirs to tourists from other parts of the Empire.

>>2569410
They learned their lesson.

>>2569435
tossing craftsmanship and technical merit out the window. so you can be Avant Garde.

>>2569159
Better than most of the "modern art masterpieces" I saw last time I went to the museum.

>>2569330
>proper perspective
Fuck off
>>2569410
That's all good art, except Hitler's horrible regressive craponacanvas.
>>2569465
All that art has better technique than the milquetoast trash you probably adore.
>>2569487
Renaissance art is horrible, Rome and Greece had horrible art. Disgusting Mycenaeans raped beautiful Aegean culture. The art found on Crete alone is superior to everything on the mainland until the Hellenistic age (where they became influenced by superior cultures).
>>2569548
That's hilariously ugly art.

>>2569746
>if you like good modern art, then you must also like bad modern art!
>>2569810
None of that is avant garde, it displays superior craftsmanship and technique. Back to riddit, teenager.

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>>2569746
It's so garbage, here is I did something out of boredom(not an artist), looks way better than this horrendous piece of shit

>>2569987
I unironically like it. Scale it up and it'd be pretty nice, actually.

>>2568993
Looks like something you would see hanging on the wall of a cheap hotel room

>retards failing to realize that Hitler was an aspiring artist and not an actual artist

He needed training at an Academy, but those Jewish fucks wouldn't admit him, so he became dictator if Europe and gassed them all

>>2569904
> The art found on Crete alone
any examples?

>>2569394
Show the chancellor some respect!

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This

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>>2570125
Or this?

>>2569410
See >>2569388
Hitler dindu nuthin

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This tread is relevant to something i want to vent about:

I saw something on TV and i cant remember what it was in (think it was based on a book too?)

Anyway there was this guy at the end who was a billionare who was buying hitlers paintings and its thought hes a bad guy i think and then the main character goes to his house and the 'Twist' is that he has been buying them, burning them and putting the ashes in jars and was like "lol look at my collection".

He did it because he was a jew and they were 'Evil PAINTINGS'

I sperged out about it but my Gf was apathetic about it. I explained why i thought the guy was a massiveprick and should be arrested for destroying historical artifacts, even if he 'owned' them.

I mean, people would call him a monstorous ludite if he slashed the monalisa or pissed on a Goeth peice, but because Hitler drew it its fine?

Fuck that logic

(by the way i think his art is quite standerd for the time but i reckon if he got to follow it as a carrer he'd be remembered as a 20th century master for some peice or other. He had a definate talent there. Maybe he'd be the master of Futurist paintings or something?)

>>2570125
>>2570128
>>2570125
>>2570128
>Tiny brain
Rubens' is better because it looks more realistic
>Normal brain
Goya's is better because Saturn looks more beastial, you can see in his eyes the fear of his prophesied fate and his abandonment of any pretense of divine nobility
>Big brain
While the above is still true of Goya's painting, there's something to be said for the workmanlike mundanity of Rubens' Saturn. The stern expression, the hunched posture, the slightly furrowed brow, it all suggests a kind of morbid indifference. He's taking a tiny bite out of his infant son, like he doesn't enjoy the act but he's doing it out of driven necessity. The viewer gets the idea of the preparation before the scene, while Goya's is more immediate, more like the viewer has seen something they shouldn't have. Rubens' Saturn still very clearly in control of his own facilties, while Goya's Saturn has turned into an animal in the wake of his crime. On a deeper level it's almost more horrifying than.

Both painting are good for different reasons.

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>>2570128
Goya all the fucking way.

>>2568993
just look at that door

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Oh ffs OP just look at the painting you posted

In addition to its technical flaws (unintentional 'cubist' blending of perspectives), the painting simply lacks any vital energy whatsoever. Completely flat affect, like how an (actually) autistic 4 year old might take in the same scene.

>>2569904

I disagree but respect your opinions

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ITT: people that like or hate Hitler involved in a passive-aggressive proxy war via arguing whether his art is okay or not

Now THIS is art.

>>2569175
They are okay paintings for an amateur who makes a hobby out of it.
He clearly does it to relax.

>>2570223
In fairness, didn't he paint like one or two of those per day? My paintings would probably lack "vital energy" too if I had to crank them out assembly-line style to pay for rent and beer money.

>>2570238
Not really, dude. Might seem that way to somebody who doesn't really give two shits about art or art criticism, though, and that's not an insult.

People are pretty much just talking about his art, which is bad on its own merits, not bad because he killed a bunch of Jews. OK for a mildly interested amateur, bad for an aspiring artist.

>>2570243

Huh, I'm glad you mentioned that. Reminds me of student drafts from an architecture school.

That's really the thing, though. He either completely lacked an eye for evocative composition, or else simply the ability to manifest whatever it was he 'saw'. Both are pretty solid grounds for rejecting a portfolio.

>>2570263

Isn't that why he wanted to be in art schools in the first place

>>2569410
>talking shit about Egon

Shit taste, desu.

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Can one piece of art (say Two Satyrs, by Rubens, pic related) be objectively called better than another one (like a Mondrian or a Pollock)?

>>2570275
I agree. It's been a while since I read about this, so take this with a grain of salt, but something is telling me that ... even Hitler agreed?

The field nearest and dearest to his heart was architecture, funnily enough, but he wasn't able to attend school for that either because he lacked a high school diploma. If I recall correctly, in his middle-later years he quite freely admitted that he was a fair-to-mediocre artist at best, but never admitted the same about architecture (and probably never would have).

>>2570301
>objectively

>>2570302
Didn't the artschool that turn him down also recommend him to become an architect?

>>2570301

You could maybe make a case for technical execution if there was some metric that could be used to measure whatever was common between them. But that's wankery.

You could project some end toward which art is supposed to tend, and judge the pieces against their proximity to that projected end. Also wank-ish, but more interesting.

>>2570308
Yup. Per this qote from ... well, from Mein Kampf:
>When I presented myself to the rector, requesting an explanation for my non-acceptance at the Academy's school of painting, that gentleman assured me that the drawings I had submitted incontrovertibly showed my unfitness for painting, and that my ability obviously lay in the field of architecture; for me, he said, the Academy's school of painting was out of the question, the place for me was the School of Architecture. It was incomprehensible to him that I had never attended an architectural school or received any other training in architecture.
I really have no idea whether he had any actual talent for architecture i.e. whether it was JUST his lack of a diploma holding him back. Also not sure whether his rejection from the school of architecture happened before or after the art school rejection he's talking about there.

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>>2569904
>The art found on Crete alone is superior to everything on the mainland until the Hellenistic age
I like the Minoans too, but this is just a ridiculous statement. There was a tremendous amount of statue, pottery, and architecture from the classical period that blows the minoans out of the water.

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>>2570231
>I disagree but respect your opinions

>>2569904
>fuck off
Are you actually retarded or do you not know how 3D projection works?

>>2569410
If I was rejected to favor of things below of his, I would mercilessly genocided one who decides worth.

>>2570019
Thanks :)

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>>2569904

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Hitler should have went to architecture school.

Him and Speer could have went into business together. Probably would have more likely to have resigned Berlin into Germania that way

>>2570634

redesigned*

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>>2568993

>>2570634
Germania looked like some straight up commieblock shit.

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>>2570654

Personally I was looking forward to Atlantropa

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>>2570654
What makes you think that? I think it looks kind of comfy.

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>>2570703

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>>2570707
But that's just some artist's fantasy that isn't rooted in any of the plans that Hitler and Speer had worked out.

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>>2570715
bonus

He wasn't terrible. There were artists of vastly inferior technical skill that got into the Vienna AFA. But he wasn't great either.

>>2569225
So, a genius?

>>2569750
>He had absolutely no sense of distance, scale, or perspective
Well that's why he was trying to go to art school dummy

>>2569465
That pic makes me laugh every time I see it

>>2569506
>So a photograph is the epitome of artistic talent then?

Art can be both stylized and realistic. El Greco realized this centuries before, likewise with Mucha. Art Nouveau shows there was plenty of juice left in realistic but stylized art. Cubism and all the shit that came after destroyed all of that.

For modern trashworld standards Hitler was pretty good. Back then, among the rich-only people who were trained rigorously from birth at ateliers, he couldn't keep up. He has a lot of perspective problems, is rather wooden in what he could do.

>>2570772

The reason the non classical forms of doodle art got in is because they were pushing novelty (however useless) in art forward. Hitler didn't do anything that hadn't been done to death.

Everyone in here saying "Yeah he was bad, but that's why he wanted to go to school" does not understand how art school works.

By accepting you, they're taking a risk and spending money on you. They don't want to teach people the basics that you should already be familiar with, they want to help people that display extraordinary talent.

>>2570740
You try and get into a prestigious art school without already grasping such basic concepts as perspective, retard

>>2570776
>novelty is inherently good

The cancer that killed fine art.

I bet you think calling a novel "subversive" also means you are complimenting it.

>>2570783

I mean god, how many obvious disclaimers do I need to include, to prevent some faggot from stating that my opinion is the opposite of what my opinion is. I'd love to pop holes in your neck with my car keys. Pop! Pop! Pop! Haha! I'm painting an invaluable masterpiece on a worthless canvas!

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>>2570766
>movements after an arbitrary boundary I have set which just happens to align with my tastes are destructive

>>2570813
>arbitrary

The boundary between realistic and abstract/purely conceptual art is not "arbitrary".

The funny thing is about you /lit/fag, is that your art fails even by its own logic. If its purpose is to express a concept of some kind, then it's almost always a failure as the concept is incomprehensible to anyone without a sheet of A4 paper and accompanying text explaining the concept.

At that point you may as well just have stuck to poetry or prose. But wait. Modern artists are shit at those too. Oh well.

>>2570821
>The boundary between realistic and abstract/purely conceptual art is not "arbitrary".
Show me the boundary then.

>The funny thing is about you /lit/fag
Try again.
>is that your art fails even by its own logic
My art?
>If its purpose is to express a concept of some kind, then it's almost always a failure as the concept is incomprehensible to anyone without a sheet of A4 paper and accompanying text explaining the concept.
If you are drawing your arbitrary line before cubism then, for example, that leaves out many plain "language" examples of cubist artworks and cubist inspired futurist work (much of which was so transparent that it translated directly into art deco advertising).
>At that point you may as well just have stuck to poetry or prose. But wait. Modern artists are shit at those too. Oh well.
I'm not particularly well versed, but Yeats is often very conventional; I've read some of Graves' poetry and I didn't find it at all challenging; Kipling, for the most part, bored me. Sure, there's your E.E. Cummingses; but it's not the absurd bisected picture you are painting. As for literature, Hemingway is a modernist which should put your absurd statement to bed despite what you may think of an author like Joyce.

>>2570032
Art school is like a prestigious uni
You're not elegible if you' re struggling with the multiplication table

>>2570170
The show is Justified
And yeah, that's pretty stupid to destroy history

>>2570724
>>2570715

in the age of the new york skyline, this city looks pretty lame

>>2570170

going to be honest, I see this as an opportunity to make a buck, he's going to burn the things anyway, so there won't be much time for frauds to be discovered

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>>2569410
wait a damn minute

>>2570919
>I'm not particularly well versed, but Yeats is often very conventional; I've read some of Graves' poetry and I didn't find it at all challenging; Kipling, for the most part, bored me. Sure, there's your E.E. Cummingses; but it's not the absurd bisected picture you are painting. As for literature, Hemingway is a modernist which should put your absurd statement to bed despite what you may think of an author like Joyce.

Yeats was also a modernist you dumb faggot, what are you talking about? Modernist lit is good, (some) modern art (e.g. futurism, art nouveau) is also good. Most of it is trash - unfortunately only the shit persisted on into postmodernism.

>>2569410
the bottom half are so much better than the top and you're a moron if you think otherwise

You guys don't understand how stifling the prevailing orthodoxy in leading art schools is there days, the narrative that is taught is that we've "moved past" realism and everyone has to embrace conceptual art now. It's just a new elite with their own agenda, you won't get anywhere if you want to make anything even halfway realistic.

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>>2571226
>Yeats was also a modernist you dumb faggot
Please reread my post. If you are still struggling here are some exercises that might help.
http://www.k5learning.com/reading-comprehension-worksheets/first-grade-1
Fucking retard.

>>2571249
Back to your shitty containment board /lit/cuck.

The modernism/pomo = bad meme is the worst thing that has happened to 4chan. Vidya game narratives wouldn't even exist without Post Modernism.

>>2570386
>a 19th century autist ruined Minoan culture for everyone everywhere by painting his own shitty interpretations over the actual artifacts

>>2568993
No, given that he never went to art school it looks good enough. Certainly there are some technical flaws in his works, but I've seen a lot worse from "professional" artists of today. In particular video game animators.

>>2571261
Is having basic fucking reading comprehension a /lit/ pursuit now?

>>2568993
>window clipping behind the stairs
Every time.
>>2569017
There are so many jews left, it's like he wasn't even trying.

>>2571277
>it's like he wasn't even trying.
SHUT IT DOWN

>>2571272
>calling it pomo

Do you have any tattoos, out of interest?

>>2569410

Schiele is 1000x the artist Adolf is, lmao

>>2571301
I don't. Should I?

If it doesn't deal with themes like the futility of nationalism, the importance of racial tolerance and the civil rights movement, then it isn't art - simple as that.

>>2571330
praise kek

>>2569715
Admittedly, but it does look good.

>>2570125
hot

>>2569248
Living space forma Germán
Germanic domination
Cultural supremacy
Remover jews and undesirables from Germán space

>>2568993
He was a strong amateur at best.

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>>2569388
>88
noice

He was one of the greatest artists of the 20th century, the only thing is that painting was not his medium.

>>2569465
Yes, the world needs more identical looking paintings of interesting locations, it sure is great that no object could exist that could somehow capture an "image" in near perfect detail of these locations, nossir, better to pigeonhole the form into objective recreation when that niche is clearly on it's last legs, yessir.

>>2568993
that + his art was just boring and derivative

>>2569159
I'd buy the left one to be honest. There's a message there. I don't know what it is but it is there.

>>2569137
>silly looking people should have NO PLACE in government
Why?

>>2568993
He could produce competent decorative works, he sucked as an artist.

>>2569659
Looks like a competent commercial artist.

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>>2569159
>>2569175
Reminds me of Hockney

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>>2568993
>window behind stairs

>>2570220
Maybe the bottom window swings out on hinges along the near edge?

>>2569494
t. Jew

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>>2570308
An architect who does not understand perspective... he'd have been ahead of his time...

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There are worse and there are better artists than uncle Adolf.

Hitler's art is not bad because he did not do perspective right. Technique is a tool, but that is all.

It is bad because it is boring, has nothing to express and does not engage the viewer on any level.

That's why Bush's art, for example, is better -- his technique is arguably worse than Hitler's, but he put some heart into it, some whimsy or some pathos or SOMETHING to engage the viewer.

Bush is an artist when he paints -- not a great one, but he is not claiming to be great. Hitler is a decorative painter in his stuff, nothing more.

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>>2571790
Damn you.

>>2571750
>Never been to Europe

That sort of shit is everywhere.

>>2569435

Like the literal macaroni arts and craft that is being pumped out of universities today in the name of art being "expressive and subjective and muh' feelings".

>>2571686
Karlheinz, stop shitposting

>>2571813
>It is bad because it is boring, has nothing to express and does not engage the viewer on any level.
Pretty much this. Hitlers art isn't really that different that Thomas Kincaide in function.

The Vienna art school said as much in their rejection letter to him. It wasn't a complete rejection; they said he had some talent for design and recommended that he apply to their architectural school because his lack of expression wouldn't be a problem. He wasn't willing to take the prereqs for that, and ended up giving up on art because he was lazy.

>>2570238

this

>>2570976

>"age of" new york skyline

what the hell does that mean? Just say you don't like Nazis and get it over with, fagut.

>>2569786
Sounds familiar...
Like todays leftist children we see and identity politics, victims being dem whyte evils

>>2569159
Don't bully Dubya's paintings

>>2569003
not really the only thing thats inconsistent with shading is the big shadow of the building but thats from something off frame so its harder to tell. the more obvious problem is that bottom left window is on a completely different plane the the rest yet no indication that that particular section of the wall has changed direction

>>2571713
because its the silly acts that get you elected, not the silly looks

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>>2569589
>>2571277
>>2569028
>>2569137

>Implying window behind stairs was not representation of a halt in downwards move of german people
>sign of a beacon of hope that is Hitler himself manifesting there, in his painting by himself hidden from unwary eyes; the true street artist that knew how to handle beer and political talks.


>mfw you actually think pic related is true art while art of the guy that bullied minorities is not

>>2571272
>Vidya game narratives wouldn't even exist without Post Modernism.

I feel I Need to find proofs of that claim.

>>2571272
>Vidya game narratives wouldn't even exist without Post Modernism.
So that's why they're almost uiversally shite.
Another reason to hate post modernism.

>>2571769
Then that plant would be outside of the windowframe.

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>>2569159
He improved a bit

>>2571891
You know I am right.

Nazism = Gesamtkunstwerk

>>2570302
>>2570308
>>2570325
>>2570634
Why the fuck didn't he just get his Austrian equivalent of a GED and go to architecture?

All his paintings show a lack of understanding of humans and other living things, but he had an eye for buildings and landscapes. There's no shame in become an architect.

>>2572486
>There's no shame in become an architect.
>t. architect

>>2572505
you're not supposed to greentext the "t. X" part newfriend.

t. friendly neighborhood oldfag/meme pro

>>2568993
Bland/10

>>2569000
Bottom left window wants to turn around the corner

>>2572537
What if that window wasn't a rectangle but only a random tetragon ? Checkmate Hitler art critiques.

>>2569410
Two drawings on the left are 6/10, maybe 7/10
The other two are really bad. He couldn't handle paint. Or color.

>>2572130

>mfw you actually think pic related is true art while art of the guy that bullied minorities is not

>mfw you have to make up shitty strawman arguments while inventing bizarre motives for a bland artist's technical faults

I hate abstract art, too. Based purely on aesthetics (and ignoring the inevitable questions it'd provoke) I'd rather hang a piece by Hitler on my wall than one by Picasso, but if it were up to me I'd choose neither.

>>2569479
So did dozens of other wannabes.
Art school is not for learning basic skills.

>>2568993
This painting is particularly bad (perspective, shading) but overall he wasn't that bad, however, not good enough to get into an art school.
One thing that was noted was his lack of human subjects, whether he was unwilling, or unable to paint humans I do not know, but the school wanted some people in his paintings.

>>2572557
>what if that awful piece of shit wasn't an awful piece of shit?
Good one, anon

>>2569177
why are you so deluded?

>>2569746
blatantly cherry-picking 3 paintings from some artists who were accepted to the same school is retarded

Honestly, he should've listened to the art school instructor in Vienna and gone into architecture.

He was never going to be a great painter but he could've been a great designer.

>>2569388
10/10

>>2572804

shame for him and everyone else eh?

>>2572092
Some widows swing open, though. So MAYBE he is just badly painting what he actually saw there.

>>2572284
Not if it is sitting on the sill, or did I miss what you are trying to say?

>>2572775
and yours is fallacy's fallacy: it's only cherry-picking if they're bad samples picked to impress a distorted view of something.
You could easily disprove him by showing what paintings truly represent their artistic merit, but alas all they ever did was modern art crap so you just keep on spewing buzzwords of which you don't grasp the meaning.

>>2572938
it's not the logical fallacy fallacy if the logical fallacy is the entire argument

>muh debate is a game of da fallacies!

no, kill yourself.

>>2572978
>it's not the logical fallacy fallacy if the logical fallacy is the entire argument
what's falacious about the argument?
>You could easily disprove him by showing what paintings truly represent their artistic merit, but alas all they ever did was modern art crap so you just keep on spewing buzzwords of which you don't grasp the meaning.
reply to this instead of writing vane words with no substance

>muh debate is a game of da fallacies!
if you start with the same assumptions and you reach two different answers at least one of you did some fallacious reasoning

>>2569330
Now THIS >>2569410 is proper perspective.

>>2573013
>what's falacious about the argument?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

>reply to this instead of writing vane words with no substance

>vane

LOL you're trying way too hard. 2/10

>>2569987
its bad because i dont understand art
>>2570301
No, not unless you don't understand art.
>>2570386
I'm referring to their pottery and stoneware, which is better than any classical pottery I have seen.
Plus, that's a bad recreation.
>>2570783
muh greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeks
>>2572130
That's not good modern art, it's dull and unimpressive.

>>2573015
bad perspective doesn't even matter since it's something he could have easily learned, it's evident he had an artistic knack

>>2573018
thank you for your insights, linking a wikipedia article you didn't even read sure made me realize how right you were

let's try again: you claim he's cherry-picking, now
>You could easily disprove him by showing what paintings truly represent their artistic merit, but alas all they ever did was modern art crap

>vane
>LOL you're trying way too hard. 2/10
vain*
I'm afraid being italian doesn't make me a perfect english speaker

>>2573030
>muh greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeks
"The modernist thirst for originality makes the mediocre artist believe that the secret of originality consists simply in being different."

>>2573127
You do realize there are schools in modernist aesthetics, right?

Let me guess, you're the kind of dope that dismisses the Bible for being written by 'goatfucking sandpeople' but adore boifucking oceanpeople.

>>2573137
>You do realize there are schools in modernist aesthetics, right?
It's "modernist" as in "people of modern times", not as in "modernist [artist]", it's a quote of philosopher Nicolas Gomez Davila.

>Let me guess, you're the kind of dope that dismisses the Bible for being written by 'goatfucking sandpeople' but adore boifucking oceanpeople.
nice projecting faggot, the Bible is objectively a literary masterpiece and I don't know who oceanpeople are supposed to be

>>2573151
oceanpeople are Greeks.

An allusion to the seapeople, but also their indisputable sea-faring ways.

>>2568993

better than picasso

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>>2569410
>>2573229
Egon Schiele had superb anatomical knowledge and linework, and I'm sure you knew Picasso was a child prodigy.
If you think their styles have no merit then okay, whatever, but those styles are built on a rock-solid foundation of knowledge and practice - that alone deserves respect.

>>2573297
no thats bad wheres my generic landscape or my generic painting of classical mythology figures
wheres my commissioned portraits?
u need to start with the greeks they knew what was up

>>2569435
>all art that isn't ugly shit is le kitsch!
Kys

>>2569487
as though you know anything about renaissance art to judge it kek

>>2574712
>anything i dont like is ugly

>>2572243
Audience interactivity with a story would be impossible without the breaking down of the traditional view of a story as a complete, enclosed work.

>>2570781
Someone already posted in this thread some paintings by Hitler that had pretty okay perspective, fag. Maybe centers of learning should be for learning and not to jerk off about of "elite" you are.

>>2574685
Nah senpai, I feel more from that childhood painting by Picasso than any of his "famous" paintings

>>2574989
Because you're a child.

>>2574993
Okay, Jew.

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>>2574997
>>2574993

>>2569410
Schiele was based af. Shitler was a pleb by comparison in the arts.

>>2569410
>prasing shitler and shitting on Schiele

philistines get out

>>2574791
Aehm... no?

Most videogame plots still rely on those traditional views of the story, you sure you aren't inflating the influence of people like Toby Fox producing indie games whose entirety reason d'être is deconstruction traditional storytelling?

>>2568993
>>2569410
literal postcard tier

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>>2570634
he got praised for his attention to building, and was advised to go and become an architecture. But as he sucked at math and was a beta, he didn't do it.

>>2571979
judging by what Hitler did later on in life he had plenty to express

talent>originality

>>2577609
>Talent=>originality

ftfy