What opinion does /his/ have of Thatcher?

>>2556082
I burn effigies of her every year.

good lad

>>2556082
Delusional cunt

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>>2556082

She did what was needed for Britain to break the post WW2 malaise and economic stagnation caused by socialism. She also makes autistic commie neckbeards mad so that's an added bonus

>>2556082
Malicious brad who permanently ruined britains economy and only got a pass because the British sheeple were focused on some irrelevant backwater of an island that spics were taking over.

>>2556082
I dont know jack about her but I heard about her shitting on commies and being called "The Iron Lady" so id assume shes a maid.

fuck her and fuck Blair for buying into her shit

>>2556082
I was raised by Thatcherites, so i'm a big fan. She had her flaws, but overall she's quite possibly the greatest Prime Minister post-war. After the 3 day week and strike chaos of the 1970s most of the bad shit she did dragged Britain out of being the sick man of Europe.

>>2556082
The real face of feminism

>>2556082
The reason why you never vote for womens. Memes aside destroyed the british working class forever

>>2556082
If there's one thing I've learnt from /his/ it's
MARGRET THATCHER, MILK SNATCHER

>>2556606
>destroyed the british working class forever
This is a good thing surely. Rigid class structure belongs in the past

>>2556606
>Memes aside destroyed the british working class forever

Wrong. Outsourcing did that. She saved the British working class by forcing them to change with the times before the times crushed them with unemployment when the 1990s rolled around.

Great woman, tore a path through the malaise that had fallen over Britain, trimming the fat, and reinvigorating the progress that has seen her come out of that post war funk.

>>2556862
>saving the working class by breaking the unions
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh huh

>>2556895

when the unions are depressing the economy by keeping the status quo you know why it's its important that they go

>>2556082
She did what needed to be done but unnecessarily burned people doing it.

The alternative was much worse, though.

All the usual lefties must be signing on or something today.
Always amusing that she is still such a hate figure, blamed for literally everything wrong with Britain today 30 year after she fucked off. People were happier when she died than when Bin-Laden got whacked. Because lowering the top rate of tax is worse than mass murder.

>The nightmare I sometimes have, about this whole experience, runs as follows. I was involved in making a number of proposals which were partly at least adopted by the government and put in play by the government. Now, my worry is . . . that there may have been people making the actual policy decisions . . . who never believed for a moment that this was the correct way to bring down inflation. They did, however, see that it would be a very, very good way to raise unemployment, and raising unemployment was an extremely desirable way of reducing the strength of the working classes -- if you like, that what was engineered there in Marxist terms was a crisis of capitalism which re-created a reserve army of labour and has allowed the capitalists to make high profits ever since. Now again, I would not say I believe that story, but when I really worry about all this I worry whether that indeed was really what was going on.
>Sir Alan Budd

>>2556908
Oh sure you can make the argument that she did it for the economy, but lets not pretend she did it to save the working class by destroying their only bargaining tool.

As an Irishman I had a nice celebration when she kicked the bucket. A violent, grinchy draconian old witch.

>>2556995

Perverse

The only thing she did right was the Falkland War; and I can begrudgingly respect her brutal suppression of the terrorist IRA, especially after they bombed her hotel.

>>2557032
Elaborate

>>2557075
Celebrating the death of someone is somewhat low, childish, and pathetic.

>>2556862
>outsourcing did that
Under thatchers neoliberal economic policy..

Milk snatcher

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>>2557033
>brutal suppression
More like based MI5 had them so completely infiltrated they couldn't do anything without getting cucked

>>2557094
Many did it when McGuiness died the other day. It's a two way street.

>>2557094
>It is bad coz I said so!
Noted

>>2557107
Except all those bombing campaigns they carried out

>>2557110
tu quoque

>>2557094
>believing this
Why are kindergarten students allowed wifi access again?

>>2557154
You know how to hurt a guy, anon.

>>2557134
See this>>2557125

What you've given me is not an argument

destroyed England

>>2557951

the north MAYBE

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auld bitch

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>>2556606
> Memes aside destroyed the british working class forever

No, the Socialists / Communists destroyed the British working class by convincing them they could get something for nothing.

Of course Thatcher fucked up by handing over the whole show to the Corporatists but something had to be done about retarded labor situation in the UK.

>>2556082
Lots of errors but some stuff she did good like dismantling steel.

>>2556082
Delayed the inevitable for 30 years.

>>2556606
Working class was already on life support from subsidies propping up dead industries. Britain was the poor man of europe at this point, so she cut the bennies, put down the unions milking it and switched the national industry to financial services. Sorry to burst your bubble lad but it's not like she went out of her way to put a heavy dog down. The mutt was already half dead and developed rabies.

>>2558505

The Pope criticised capitalism as much as socialism.

>>2556082
Her disregard for her cabinet is disgusting to me, the cabinet should challenge the PM if they ever have even a slither of a doubt about their descisions, she's the primus inter pares, not some fucking dictator, any self respecting or half decent politican woudl know the way to get past deadlock and still keep scrutiny in the fucking cabinet, and don't get me started on the shitshow that was cameron after the class act of Major, fucking hell.

>>2557134
It's okay for me to be petty because the standard of pettiness about these things is low is not the same argument as it's okay for me to be petty because you are also petty.

>>2558505
>the communists destroyed the british working classes
Yes, and lord knows that the labour market in the UK is healthy as fuck right now, and we certainley don't need those exports tories are clawing for, fuck no, coal bad being a complete stonewall in the face of discussion is a great trait in a democratic leader.

>>2558505
>handing over the whole show to the Corporatists
That is not what she wanted. She was considered a lower-middle class radical by "corporatists" in the conservative party, but she was a counterweight to the commies so they let her do her thing then switched up on her in 1990. If Margaret Thatcher had her way she would have pushed for more "extreme" economic liberalization that would hurt the cartels and monopolies of big business.

>>2556895
Only the mining union.

>>2557100
Started by labour, mate. Funny how nobody cried about it then. She just pulled the last tooth.

The reactions to her death are pretty much everything that is wrong with the left nowadays, as >>2556967 said

>>2556082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tetk_ayO1x4

>>2556082
Fuck Unions, Argies and Coal miners

Margie for life

>>2556606
>Memes aside [MEME]
What did he mean by this?

>>2558913
what a woman, easily a better pm than churchill

>>2559041
Please tell me you're joking

>>2558928
>Fuck Unions, Argies and Coal miners

This sentence should be incorporated into the National Anthem desu

>>2559103

Coal, and the men who went in after it represented t very lifeblood that carried Britain's Empire to its greatest heights.

You can't go and show that level of scorn for it, have a heart.

Increased unemployment and debt, destroyed manufacturing, created the retarded poll tax, she was great for the economy lol

>>2556082
She was bad, but the people she fucked over and the who really hate her today are even worse

So she's aight

>>2556099
Britain's economy was fucked before Maggie

>>2556407
Good lad. Keep that Corbyn leading the PLP

>>2559103
settle down troll

>>2556895
Unions did it to themselves

>>2556995
As an Englishman I don't give two shits about any Irish politicians because my country isn't a bitch state of theirs

>>2559109
The unions literally were making impossible to have a sensible conversation about their dying industry tho. She was definitely harsh but the union leaders did make dialogue impossible.

>>2558560
Not that Pope.

>>2559118
>polltax became the foundation for council tax
>no one batted an eye lid then
what did the left mean by this?

>>2558584
Are you one of US?

>>2559067
Churchill did some dodgy things. Margaret Thatcher had better ideas.

>>2559067
Churchill was actually a pretty shit peacetime PM

We should dig up her grave and put it outside of May's house.

>>2559215
t.corbyn

>>2559215
Why not put May in her grave instead?

>>2559188
>ignoring all the other facts stated
what did the ideologue mean by this?

>>2559270
>what is the lawson boom
Maybe that's why I ignored your butthurt drivel

>>2558558
>financial services
i.e. doing fucking nothing but pretending it's important and making mad bucks

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>>2559289
>purposely missing the point because it hurts my argument
it was my privilege

>>2559278
>what are exports, corporatism and unemployment

>>2559313
>The state is obliged to fund my inefficient job

>>2559301
If you think moving labor and capital away from industry that actually fucking produces things into what basically amounts to masturbation was the best possible thing that could have happened for Britain, you're dumb.

Certainly, Britain had to find some way to revolutionize its economy, but kneeling down and sucking banker cock in hopes they'll toss more pieces of paper that you think somehow have something to do with the heath of the nation around is not the only possible way to do it.

I liked her in my youth but I realised I was consuming literal neocon propaganda.

I used to love Reagan and Thatcher. Then I realised that Reagonomics and Thatcherism was a fucking meme.

Christ, still embarrassed for believing that shit. I'm convinced more and more that every President and Prime Minister of the 20th century was pure shit.

Maybe Theodore's the only good one.

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>>2559118
poll tax was a bad move though, from the political standpoint

>>2558780
Idk, man.
I'm an a AMERICAN and that is all the information I was educated to bout that and shit, and that bitch man :DD

>>2559453
Or maybe you're just an idiot.

>>2559507
You were educated by a butthurt lower class northerner?

>>2559514
What do you have against milk? Scumo

>>2559371
if the industry is only kept alive through massive subsidies, then they are clearly uncompetitive. We can argue about her alternative as much as we like but pretending the mines and unions dindunuffin is absolutely retarded.

>>2559511
Epic retort, thatcher shill.

Anyone who knows anything about Economics or Foreign Policy knows that Thatcher and Reagan were a disaster.

>>2559557
Won the Cold War.
Booming economies.
Crushed the USSR.

Oh, yeah, they were such huge failures.

Only two kinds of people don't like Reagan and Thatcher; faggots and communists.

Which one are you, boy?

>>2559183

Yes, that Pope.

http://cjd.org/2007/04/01/pope-john-paul-ii-criticized-both-capitalism-and-marxism-before-and-during-his-pontificate/

>>2559566
>People who care for America and her people are now faggots and communists
Enjoy getting your financial life being destroyed with taxes for some rebellion in some backwater country that will in no way help common American citizens like yourself.

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>>2558613
>>the Socialists / Communists destroyed the British working class by convincing them they could get something for nothing.
>Yes, and lord knows that the labour market in the UK is healthy as fuck right now

Because it was handed over to the Corporatists (same as in the U.S.) but this was only possible because of the Soviet infested Western labor and political parties went full-retard, (and it was FAR worse in the UK) where in the UK they nationalized the aircraft, auto, etc. industries in a plan straight out of Das Kapital (with the expected results).

>>2559585
People who love America loved Ronald Reagan.

I voted for him.

You shit on his grave, and you shit on America.

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>>2559041
>easily a better pm than churchill

>>2559601
You're either being this retard on purpose or you're really retarded.

>>2559609

Ronald Reagan IS America.

You shit on him, you shit on America. You fucking commie faggot.

>>2559611
>Guy who funded Muslim terrorist organizations is America

You're fucking shitting on the graves of the founding fathers you neocon cunt

>>2559566
>Booming economies.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

nice deficit spending

>>2559518
it was a grey swill kids refused to drink

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9982147/Thatcher-milk-snatcher-Far-from-it-we-gladly-poured-the-stuff-away.html

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>>2559603
try it, porky

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>>2559453
>Maybe Theodore's the only good one.

True.

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>>2559619
> What is Cold War Soviet aggression.

"Containment" simply didn't work, the cancer of Communism was infecting the West and had to be cut-out.

>>2559683
>Funding a bunch of religious fundamentalists in Central Asia is preventing stopping communism in the west

If Reagan was really dedicated to stopping communism then he would've done something against universities which were havens for all sorts of liberal and probably communist related movements.

>>2558717
>She fucked up
>B-but she didn't want to fuck up
Might as well just say she dindu nuttin

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>that one time some faggots comitted an act of terror and wanted to be instead trialed for "political activism" or some bullshit
>Thatcher said no
>faggots then went on hunger strike like also retarded faggots
>Thatcher just straight up let them fucking die, Jesus Christ
Good woman in my book.

>>2559573
That's not as much

>>2559642
>dude monopolies and unregulated businesses need to get busted!
>that's why I'll use my military to conquer regions to offer to monopolies

>>2559170
Lol I pissed on Maggie's grave. Cry more faggot.

>>2560204
Fair enough. She pissed on your entire class

>>2560236
Traits of a horrible leader

I admire her for the enemies she made.

>ITT: Thactherites revealed their loathing of the working class
Not even surprised

>>2560257

subjective opinion.

>>2560140

crippled Irishman hahahahaha

>>2560257
>>2560290
You lost faggots. The working class gets richer every day thanks to Capitalism and Maggie

>>2560329
>The working class gets richer every day
By outsourcing jobs and flooding the country with with foreign labor to undercut the unionized workers?

>>2560337
If they're in the union they were asking for it

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>>2560367

Who started it? The union becoming too demanding or the employers pushing it too far?

Nobody knows and really we're just heading in a spiral downwards; a race to the bottom.

Meanwhile we are outsourcing our wealth to foreign countries.

>>2556082
Horrible milk-snatching bitch

Why are my taxpounds expected to pay for your crotchfruit's milk?

>>2560397

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq7wnMvLYg4

>>2560452
>A cartoon dabbles into politics without managing to blatantly support or oppose one side
How did they pull it off?

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>>2560462

Simpsons used to be an intelligent social commentary that everyone loved.

Now it's just this weird unfunny shit that should've died long ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWgI2YAupCM

>>2560467
It didn't start out that way, but after a few seasons it really did become something special. Great writers at that time were to attribute, I'd say. Modern writers usually can't even approach that sort of quality because the ones that could write something interesting don't have the ability to remain neutral on a topic. Seems like there's always a political message shoehorned in.

Or perhaps our society is simply becoming more politically charged to the point where there simply are no interesting topics that can be brought up without alienating a large portion of the audience. I was pretty young in the 90s, but politics seemed a hell of a lot more subdued then compared to after 9/11 and the rise of the internet. Suddenly, the free flow of information allowed people to be reached 24/7 and political bombardment never ceased.

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>>2560545

The Left and Right are more polarized now than ever before thanks to people preferring to watch their separate conservative and liberal news. The internet speeded up this divide.

Recent Google search algorithms actually cater to your search and browsing history and they show news that suits your political leanings, which is creating more echo chambers and polarization.

That's why liberals and conservatives only shout at each other now. It's now "Nazis" vs "Commies"

>>2560635
sped*

>>2560723

what?

So what should have been done about the mining industry then?

>>2561770

personally, I think they should have been launched from cannons, that's always a laugh

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>>2559715

There is a long tradition in the West of independent colleges and universities, as well as (in the U.S. at least) a right to freedom of speech.

And the point still stands; containment of Communism simply wasn’t working.

The Communists on the other hand, weren’t looking to contain the West, they were actively attacking the West all around the globe. Until the collapse of Communism, the Cold War had overall been a success for communists; Russia, half of Europe, China, N.Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, most of Africa, communist insurgencies in S.America and SE Asia, and Soviet sponsored states in the MiEast, etc. and now they were in Afghanistan.

Sure, the U.S. didn’t realize the danger of Islamic fundamentalism (or maybe Israel did and saw an opportunity…) but fundie Muslims would have been supporting the Afghan Mujahideen with or without our help.

>>2561770
Work on a multiyear transition effort to retrain them for other industrial jobs like natural gas, nuclear work, anything in their skill set instead of just lol get bent.

>>2557094
Cool so I should cry myself to sleep knowing that Shiro Ishii and the rest of the dudes from Unit 731 are dead.

Ask a Chinese dude who got dissected alive if he wouldn't celebrate the death of his torturers.


Thatcher destroyed lives and ruined families economically, fuck her and fuck the cucks who worship her memory.

>>2560290
My parents were the working class, and they benefited from Thatcher. My father was an small business owner and my mother was from a sinkhole estate in Hull. Both of them got off their arses, moved to where the work was and made it, with help from Maggie.

It's the underclass we loathe, not the working class. It's people who celebrate the death of an old woman, who honestly believe that miners should be paid a premium income from state coffers to mine coal that sells for 10 times what it costs to mine it and who think that they should be subsidised by the state for their entire lives.

>>2562083
>petite-bourgoise pretends or thinks he is working class
>proclaims his hate for the actual working class
of fucking coz

>>2556082
she's a woman

>>2562057
>comparing someone who dissected people alive without aenesthetic to someone who just made a lot of people lose their pointless retard jobs
weew laddy

Many of the economic reforms were necessary. But she gets too much credit for a supposed economic 'miracle', there were many underlying trends helping her government out (more and more trade with europe, finding oil of the scottish coast).

Many of her policies have helped create an underclass that is a stain upon society, and the malaise that many post-industrial towns are still in basically stems from the 80s and is an incredibly difficult task to sort out properly now.

Deregulating the city has obviously had financial benefits, but has also led to a very imbalanced country, with the south east overly dominant. Selling council houses (and not building more, or at least cheap housing) was an incredibly stupid move policy wise, but a clever one politically.

She's better than a Commie I guess.

Don't believe those who call her the devil or those who love her, she wasn't anything special and a whole host of Tories would have won in '79 and against Foot for sure.

>>2561770

It should have been gradually shut down. She used it largely as an excuse to bust a powerful and militant union. Of course, many would justifiably do the same when you're faced with Scargill talking about trying to take down your government.

But looking at the uniform depression that envelopes pretty much all ex mining communities is very telling.

>>2556082
thatcher isn't history

>>2562207
To be fair the parts about Nelson Mandela and South Africa aren't that bad. He was a guy who attempted to bomb schools and given South Africas current state, Apartheid doesn't seem that bad.

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>>2556082
/ourgal/

she must have pushed back the political correctness leftist brain olympics by a decade atleast by herself

>>2556098
Why is it always the ones who'll die first from their ideology which is the greatest backer of it, /pol/ is 90% shitskins yet they would be the ones to go when a true nationalist state implements itself, the commies live in their upper class neighbourhood, spoiled by their rich parents while they're pushing for a brutal ideology, which would kill them because they're weak people

and then there's the purple haired fat women and weak leftists who wants to import islamists who would like nothing more but to cut their head off

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>>2556082
Terrible.

>>2562451
Hi Designated Leftist.

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>>2556098
>>2556417
>economic stagnation caused by socialism
yeah it was the socialists, socialists made the 1970s shit.

>>2556967
when you fund it with a VAT hike that winds up increasing the burden of taxation as a whole, yeah. literally taking from the poor to give to the rich.

>>2558558
>she cut the bennies
she increased state spending as a % GDP
turns out that 12% unemployment is very expensive when they go on the dole, and unlike a subsidized industry does nothing to claw any money back.

>>2559175
meme
labour closed more coal mines than Thatcher, but they got away with it because they were retraining people and directing them elsewhere.

the strikes of the 1970s were to do with inflation (caused by oil prices spiking) versus pay (since labour's policy was to restrain wage increases to control inflation rather than make the already high unemployment even higher.)

and the union leaders turned out to be right: even profitable coal mines and steelworks were marked for closure instead of privatisation.

>>2559278
the lawson boom is an example of pure incompetence eventually burst on black wednesday.

>>2562411
> /our<inserthere>/

Hello /pol/. Here's your (You)

Now get the fuck out.

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>>2559530
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/coal-mines-named-for-closure-were-profitable-1559633.html
Dates to John Major, but the point remains.

>>2560329
>The working class gets richer every day
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
T H I N G S
C A N
O N L Y
G E T
B E T T E R

>>2562411
She legalized homosexuality in Scotland.

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A personal gift to all the Thatcherites ITT :)

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>>2562480
what are you going to do leftist cunt, cry to the nip to remove pol

>>2562473
>she increased state spending as a % GDP

not really, only over a couple of periods of crisis - overall it clearly went down when she was pm

rest of your post is fine though tbf

fuck labour and fuck working class people

>>2562482

>2001-2007

wew

obviously 2009-2012 is worse but i expected that due to the financial crisis

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>>2560329
yeah, fucking commie trade unions and worker's parties are too greedy and mooching off the great job creators!

>>2562465
Hi Corporate Shill

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>>2562532
that chart doesn't include bennies

>>2562563
I've always wondered here, isn't this just a technique for masking the problem?
I mean when you take total compensation - let's say the company gives you some shares instead of just paying a wage - then it matches up fine. But this ignores that the idiots at the bottom aren't getting handed shares. The workforce *as a whole* being fairly compensated, but the distribution within it being slanted as hell.

In any case, the break from just paying workers to giving them other forms of compensation as productivity increased further is a suspicious trend.

>>2558913
>>2559041

You missed the part of her being booted from office the same year she made that speech.

This Lady is not for turning !

>>2562576
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/dp1246.pdf
tl;dr read the abstract and look at the chart on page 5

If someone gets £25000 and £5000 worth of benefits and someone gets £30000 and spends £5000 on a pension and the same health insurance, what is the difference?

Also the mean, median and mode is something everyone learned in school. If you have a factory with 10 people and 1 employee becomes more productive and gets a payrise while the others do not, the median will stay the same while the mean will rise.

>>2562576
>The workforce *as a whole* being fairly compensated, but the distribution within it being slanted as hell.
Oh, the median is included in the chart, the median is a bit lower but has still grown.

Hilarious that hypocritical feminists refuse to support her

Women only matter if they're leftists, yeah?

>>2562752
>what is the difference?
People are having portion of their wealth forcibly taken from and given back as benefits. They could spend the 30k on hookers and blow for all I care.

Hell having the 5k given to them as 'benefits' could give the elites a sticking point to reduce their pay since they are getting 'benefits'

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>>2562764
women undermine left-wing movements.

>>2562752
Is there any special meaning to inequality in the PDF or does it apply as used in the example?
(i.e.: Total compensation stays the same, but distribution shifted so some are poorer and others richer.)

>>2562855
there is no special meaning, it is like I explained

if there are 5 employees earning £20k then the IT guy gets a pay rise to £30k an hour the median is still £20k while the mean rises to £22k

>>2562044
So the USA had to attack countries that did not ask for their help. The USA does not understand the concept of a state being sovereign, you deserved 9/11 desu.

>>2562286
>It should have been gradually shut down.

Lad, the whole reason Maggie became necessary was because the unions weren't compromising. It Heath or Callaghan had made any gradual progress with them then the public wouldn't have started to see Thatcher as a necessity.

>>2562451
>resigned from the treasury because he couldn't do his job
ebin

>>2562083
>small business owner
Not working class you retard

>>2559566
>Booming economies.
Yeah that went fucking great, didn't it dipshit, economic growth means fuck all if that growth is unsustainable.
>Crushed the USSR.
>Won the Cold War.
They're the same damn thing, and what proof have you got that it was reagan and thatcher who defeated the ussr and not gorbachev's radical reforms to the ussr?

>>2563842
>small business owners and kulaks are bourgeois pig dogs even though they're poor as shit
maybe you are a little too obsessed with the ownership of the means of production meme

>>2563842
>It's impossible to be poor if you run a business

>>2563763
You're conflating two separate issues. The miners didn't strike against Heath because pit closures were coming, they went on strike because they were underpaid. (And what fucking idiot takes on miners during a global energy crisis anyway?) similarly, the vast majority of strikes through the 1970s came down to that single issue: oil price fuckery had rammed everyone's costs up, meaning prices went up, meaning pay didn't keep pace with prices, leading to strikes for higher pay. The entire western world was struggling with stagflation.

THEN under Thatcher, you had strikes to resist closures, because the government had decided "lol fuck retraining people the market will fix it."
(Or if you prefer, decided to engage in open class warfare.)

>>2563948
Working class =/= "poor"

Bourgeoisie = own the means of production (Factory owner)
Petit-Bourgeoisie = own some means of production but also work there (think a building company owner or something, who also actually builds things but also employs others to build things.)
Proletariat/Working class = does not own any means of production, has to labor for a wage.

a well paid nurse is working class and a factory owner on the verge of bankruptcy operating out of his car is still Bourgeoisie.

>>2563900
define unsustainable and can you quantify an economy that has or had unsustainable growth that lead to a collapse using a well respected source?

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>>2564116
>define unsustainable
Desu

>>2564152
>prices fall dramatically when she leaves office after implementing her policies
>bad
>climb following the election of Blair and continue to climb until Cameron in 2010.

Really makes me fucking think.

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>>2564171
Prices fell when she left office because the Lawson boom was a giant meme. Even then they essentially regressed to the mean.
(My actual point was to make a joke about the UK economy today though - because the housing bubble clearly didn't actually burst in 2008.)

Her policies certainly look designed to keep down house prices, though. I mean there's that supply and demand thing, everyone knows that when you constrain supply...