romanov thread

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does anyone happen to have a clip of nicholas speaking english?

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what did they mean by this

>>2555744
It's okay to be gay.

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>>2555726
Ok, here you go.

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>>2555726

>>2555744
very happy the bolsheviks got rid of this sort of bourgeois degeneracy

>>2555767
>>2555768
Never realised how much of a Mongol Lenin looks until now.

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>>2555744

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>>2555726

>>2555779
butter face

The only good Romanov was a German lady.

>>2555731
French
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Ajc3Qg5co

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>>2555766
>>2555767
>>2555768
>The JudeoBolsheviks never paid for their crimes

One of the greatest injustices in history

>>2556161
Stalin killed a shitload in the purges and doctor trials if that makes you feel better

>>2556169
certainly feels like poetic justice

>>2555919
Did this kill Alexei?

>>2555882
I seriously hope you're not talking about Alix.

>Allowed Rasputin to cuck his family while Russia was falling apart
>Voluntarily abdicating

Why was Nicholas such as useless beta pussy?

>>2556350
Every Liberal Romanov was murdered, all the major assholes lived, the Russians are allergic to kindness

>Olga, Tatiana, and Anastasia were still left, huddled together screaming. "We set about finishing them off." As Yurovsky and Ermakov stepped over the bodies towards them, they scrambled, crouched and covered their heads. Yurovsky shot Tatiana in the back of the head, spattering Olga in "a shower of blood and brains"; next the blood-drenched Ermakov kicked her down and shot her in the jaw. But Maria, wounded in the leg, and Anastasia were still alive, crying out for help. Ermakov wheeled around to stab Maria in the chest, but again "the bayonet wouldn't pierce her bodice." He shot her. Anastasia was the last of the family moving. Slashing his bayonet through the air, Ermakov cornered her but, stabbing maniacally against her diamond-studded bodice, he missed and hit the wall. She was "screaming and fighting" until he drew another pistol and shot her in the head.

>Yurovsky staggered into his office, lying on the sofa with a cold cloth on his head just as Voikov arrived to inspect the cellar: "bodies lay in an appalling jumble, eyes staring in horror, clothing covered in blood. The floor was slick and slippery as a skating rink with blood, brains, and gore." As they carried out two of the girls, probably Maria and Anastasia, they started to splitter and cry, still alive. Ermakov, taking a bayoneted rifle, stabbed them again as some of the assassins vomited and fled (...)"

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>>2556412

What freaking gents. And they look handsome as well. Not inbred like the stereotype.
Monarchist = 1
Commies and liberals = 0

>>2556602
Hemophilia - 100

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>>2555726
I hope alternate dimensions exist just so Nicholas can be a happy family man in one of them.

>>2556980
Gift from queen Victoria

>>2556121
That genuinely looks like a capture from some film 20 years later. Tatiana was certainly the most aesthetic Romanov. Olga is still the best though.

>>2556412
Did they ever feel even an ounce of remorse for what they did? Especially for the incompetent way they did it?

>>2557408
>Did they ever feel even an ounce of remorse for what they did?
I'd say the vomiting conscripts confirm it yes

>>2557408
It was undoubtedly difficult for them to carry out and I'm sure they found it hard to live with afterwards.

Whilst the Romanovs were under house arrest in Yekaterinburg, the Ural Soviet had to continuously rotate a new guard detail into the Ipatiev House because the ones stationed there kept developing sentimental relationships with the royal family. One soldier even declared his intentions to smuggle Maria out of the house and marry her, iirc.

Fuck the Bolsheviks.
I hope they all burn in hell for eternity.

>>2556412
jfc why

>>2557408
ofc not. (((they))) dont feel something like that.

>>2559227
They didn't kill the romanovs

>>2555778
because he actually was one.

Romanov family < Every other person in Russia

stop monarch worshipping. This is exactly why we shot them in the first place

>>2559580
I don't think every other person in Russia faired to well afterwards...

>>2559599
A lot of them faired better than they were before.

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>Day and night, screams pierced the walls and filled the corridors. Through the pain, he called to his mother, "Mama, help me. Won't you help me?"
>Both parents were certain that the boy was dying. Alexis himself though so and hoped so. "When I am dead, it will not hurt anymore, will it mama?"

>>2559813
wat

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>>2556161
Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Finns, Poles, and Ossetians were all more over-represented in the Bolsheviks than Jews

But keep lowering your IQ faggot

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>>2559540
Fucking Jews, only they have executed women and children in history

>>2556161
It's funny this cites Snyder's Bloodlines, which says explicitly that the Jewish Bolshevik myth is a canard invented by Nazi's and that the Jews were among the biggest sufferers under the Bolsheviks

But you left that part out. Weird!

>>2559948
fake

>>2556161
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_16th_Congress_of_the_All-Union_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks)

Here's the CPSU Central Committee in 1932. It's not even close to 95% Jewish.

157 total members = 22 Jews = 14%.

This pic is a complete lie.

>>2559970
lol of course, how convenient. Anything that I disagree with is also fake

>>2559970
Proof?

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The blood of thousands are on his hands. His family was but a small tragedy.

>>2559972
>cites wikipedia

>>2560001
I'd trust Wikipedia over some shitty graph with very sketchy sources

>>2560001
So this is fake too? Wow it's really convenient being a /pol/beard isn't it! You can just scream anything triggering is fake!

I want you to go through that list and prove to me which non-Jewish central committee members are actually Jewish, or stfu and gas yourself

>>2560008
It goes through every single member of the Soviet leadership and lists their ethnicity with cited sources

You're just embarrassing yourself by this point

>>2560008
>>2559768

>>2560021
this post was meant for >>2560001

>>2560036
prove that the non-jewish members were actually jews or gtfo

>>2560021
I'm talking about the graph posted before, with the Snyder citation that an anon said claimed that the entire Jewish Bolshevik connection was a lie. And 95% of the bolsheviks were obviously not jewish, as the other anon proved

>>2560040
Oh ok. Then ignore the reply

>>2559972
>>2560015
>click list
>see Isaak Zelensky
>see Vladimir Polonsky
>see Gleb Krzhizhanovsky

hmmm

not really helping your point.

>>2559948
>excerpted from a geocities homepage
Now that's some impressive sourcing.

>>2560058
Are you really stupid enough to think anyone with the last name sky is automatically jewish?

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>>2560061
i kno rite we should all believe /pol/ neckbeards

>>2560065
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the -sky a Russian stereotype in general

>>2560058
Adding these 3, the Central Committee is now 15% Jewish

Do the rest and lets see if it adds up to 95% like you originally claimed

What I don't understand is why Jews keep hating Russia after all they did.

I understand that Jews hated the Romanovs and wanted to kill them, since they blamed the tsar for the pogroms (it was false blame, since the tsarist regime wasn't responsible for pogroms, but Jews didn't knew that at the time).

So they got their revolution. And they killed the tsar and his family, and millions of Russians, and destroyed the Russian Orthodox Church, and expropriated the landed peasantry, then they were kicked out of the Party and communist Russia became a livable place, but after communism fell they returned and bought everything in privatization corruption schemes and led the Russian economy to the ground.

And after all that, they still hate Russia and want war between the U.S. and Russia so Russia can be even more crippled and destroyed.

Really, what is their problem? How much is enough? How much Russian blood must be shed until the Jewish thirst for vengeance for a few pogroms committed a hundred years ago is satisfied?

>>2560090
The real redpill is realizing that your perception of history was warped by some stormfags on an anime image sharing forum

>>2560090
Jews didn't do anything of that. The body that did was 14% Jewish.

>>2560065
look them up

>>2560127
Go through the rest of the list, provide sources, and demonstrate that 95% of the central committee was Jewish as you originally claimed

>>2559919
One of the side effects of hemophilia can be severe joint pain and swelling. So Alexei probably wasn't getting the treatment he'd need to deal with that leading to him being in constant pain.

>>2559951
>reductio ad absurdum
reddit is the other way

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>>2560333
>doesn't exist in ethnic Russians
Do you wanna fight, nigga?

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do you guys think nicholas was a good dad?

>>2559948
Leave it to stormfags to imagine there has to be some kind of international conspiracy behind why an imperialist society's most repressed minorities end up being its most eager revolutionaries.

>>2560001
>wikipedia is an unreliable source
>here, just use this excel graph I downloaded from the politics board of an anime image sharing internet community

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>>2555726

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>>2555726
Tatiana is my waifu

>>2555779
What's even the point of that visor?

>>2561814
There is a reason graphs like the one in >>2556161 always just cite an entire publication without any references to page number or subsection: they don't actually want you to look it up. Whoever made the graph just wanted to create the semblance of academic rigor.

You can take the source offered as proof for their figure of Jews in the Bolshevik central government, for example. If you comb through that, you'll find that an economic attaché to the American embassy who spent a few months from 1918-1919 in Petrograd made an offhand comment that "about two thirds" of the "leaders of the movement" are Russian Jews. From that, we apparently get the factoid that 95% of the Soviet government through til the 1930s was Jewish.

In the exact same document you will find a testimony stating that 95% of Russian Jews are anti-Bolsheviks, and that Jews are over represented in every single political party (including the ones opposed to the Communists), owing to their "intellectual superiority".

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>>2561804
The best

>>2561804
>some workers on the family's yacht use Michaelangelo's David to tell a dirty joke
>Tatiana spergs out about how that's improper
>Olga laughs and thinks it's hilarious
She really was the best.

>the commies turned one of the world powers with an aesthetic culture into a dump where finland has a greater military capacity than russia, and then add the cream ontop of the shit with a disgusting culture

commies and pseudo-leftists alike are truly subhuman

>>2556412
>But Anastasia was still alive, and Marie, too, for as their bodies were carried to a Fiat truck that stood waiting in the courtyard, first one, then the other, suddenly sat up, coughing blood, moaning, screaming. They were outside now, and the men couldn’t shoot them; the bayonets came out, slashing through the air, but the knives struck the hidden jewels. And so someone grabbed a rifle, turned it around, and hammered away at the barely conscious faces, driving the wooden stock down again and again and again. Battered into silence, choking on splintered bone and shattered teeth, drowning in her own blood - this was how Anastasia died.

>>2557435
How many of the men who vomited were laughing about their panties the next day?

>One of the comrades, sorting through some under-linen, which had been destined for the laundry, and had belonged to and had been worn by the former Duchesses, screwed them up and snuffled at them, laughing, and we passed them around.

I hate this recent "the romanovs were innocent angels" phase and hope it ends quickly.

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BOOO

Stop worshiping these bourgeoisie swine

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>>2557077

>>2557077
I hope for an alternative dimension where he didn't kill thousands of his own people in a botched war. good riddance

>>2564516
The Romanovs were innocent angels, that's historical truth.

>>2564516
>I hate this recent "the romanovs were innocent angels" phase and hope it ends quickly.

Except to diehard Eastern Orthodixists, no one says anyone but the children were innocent.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsi8s-vpppc

>>2564740
The children weren't innocent though. They were the bourgeoisie that needed to be gotten rid of.

>>2564753
>being this edgy

You are so cool... we should write manifestos together... where do you buy your trenchcoats?

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^C*cks nicholai

>>2564760
Dude if they were allowed to just stay in Russia people would use them as a rallying point to revolt.

>>2564771
Don't you ever heal me or my wife's son again

>>2564805
What does that have to do with

>The children weren't innocent though. They were the bourgeoisie that needed to be gotten rid of.

Also

>Dude if they were allowed to just stay in Russia

The reason they were killed was not because of them being a rallying point (which the girls, being politically useless, would not have been for ordinary Russians) but to show Europe, the Whites, and the Reds that there was--to quote Trotsky--"no going back after this." in other words, we're willing to slaughter teenagers and women, we will not think twice about killing you.

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>>2555919
>you wasn't there to protect their smiles

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>>2564930
Where you were when their father launched First Russian Meat grinder?

>>2559951
>Do I schmell Luftwaffles?

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almost every film depiction of the Romanov execution is so mild. There's only one where it attempts to depict some of the chaos and violence, but even then it only shows the daughters being shot several times and only 2 (Alexei and a daughter) surviving the initial volley for a few moments before being shot, rather than being brutally stabbed, then Anastasia and Maria surviving and being beaten to death.

>>2560090
>the Jewish thirst for vengeance for a few pogroms committed a hundred years ago is satisfied?

Never.

>>2564714
They'd be one and the same

circumcision wasnt a thing in the russian royal family right? if it was alexei wouldve died wouldnt he?

>>2564753
>muh privuledges
>kill children
Further proof thats Commie deserves massacre

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Can someone explain why Nicky II didn't just resign from the start? He obviously just wanted comfy life and was not fit to lead the nation.

>>2566454
Because he thought it was his religious duty to lead

>>2566454
Nicholas II was similar to Louis XVI. They both genuinely believed that they were placed there by God to lead their people, and that abandoning their people was not an option. He only abdicated in the end because he thought that if he wasn't on the throne, peace and order would be restored.

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/pol/ is idolizing the Third Reich

/his/ is recognizing that Bolshevism should have been killed in the cradle and traditionalist God and King defended.

>>2555805
They look like they were having a really great time

>>2567134
Maria probably would've aged the best. She looks a lot like her grandmother and her grandmother looked pretty good well into middle age. I have a feeling Tatiana would've aged like milk.

>>2555766
>>2555767
>>2555768
>that Asiatic face
Ew

>>2564714
As opposed to killing millions with "good intentions."

Fuck off.

>>2556356
The real lesson in all of this is that you can't give an inch to the libtards because the gommunists/hard leftists/kikes use the stupid "love and peace xDDD" social democrats to chip away at the traditional social structures until everything is in such flux and chaos they can seize power.

Every Marxist arrested after 1905 should have been shot and killed. Nicholas was simply too kind.

>>2557408
My understanding is that the guy who carried out the executions was a Jew (Yurovsky). So I doubt it very much. Jews aren't known for giving up atavistic, old-testament style grudges and hatreds very easily after all.

>>2560015
Are you done having a meltdown?

>>2559996
What thousands? How was he to blame for the Russo-Japanese War?

The fucking Brits (and I say this as an Anglo) shouldn't have been arming non-white powers in the first place.

>>2560090
Read the Old Testament. The petty ethnic grievances of the Jewish people make people from the Balkans look comparatively reasonable.

>>2564135
My understanding is that when the Romanovs were under house arrest they got too close to the men guarding them so the party replaced all their guards with ethnic Jews like Yurovsky.

Remember that Trotsky literally went to America to solicit funds from wealthy American Jewish bankers. Remember that when someone says "oh but there are left wing jews and right wing jews".

Regardless of their ostensible political affiliation, Jews all stand for "is it good for the Jews?"

>>2564753
Amazing how leftists switch between pre-programmed moral outrage mode (E.g. over some famine among muds in Somalia) to this sort of crass sociopathy.

>tfw read /his/ because I want to get away from the right wing echo chamber that is places like /pol/ and plebbit
>tfw this shit comes up time and time again
>"hurr let's venerate an empire that treated minorities like shit, and whose leader made fun of chinese people on his asian tour"
>"hurr fukken jews, how dare they try and help people"

It's funny because my mom is jewish and my dad is black, so you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should read about concepts like Communism and anti-racism before just condemning it wholesale.

I mean what the fuck, I was told /his/ had a lot of /lit/erati here, most /lit/bros are decent anti-imperialist/anti-racist types. Why is there so much reactionary shit? What the fuck.

>>2568037
The Russian Empire was shit but the USSR was worse and Stalin was shittier and more of a bloodthirsty maniac than any tsar.

>>2568037
Literally (((you)))

>>2568042
Not him, but Stalin was a blessing compared to what Trotsky would have unleashed.

Trotsky was literally a deranged neurotic Jewish lunatic. He was also a Zionist in his later years in exile, or at least had Zionist sympathies.

>Vladimir Lenin
>(Part-Jewish Head of the Soviet State)

>Ordered

>Yakov Sverdlov
>(Jewish Chair of the Bolshevik Central Executive Committee)

>Ordered

>Filipp Goloschekin
>(born as Isay Isaakovich)
>(Jewish Member of the Presidium of the Urals Regional Soviet and de facto Head of the Urals Cheka)

>Ordered

>Yakov Yurovsky
>(Jewish Head of 'The House of Special Purpose' and member of Ekaterinburg Cheka)

Just remember though goyim, the Soviet Union was anti-semitic.

>>2568006
>My understanding is that when the Romanovs were under house arrest they got too close to the men guarding them so the party replaced all their guards with ethnic Jews like Yurovsky.

Your understanding is incorrect. The guards were replaced, but not "all of them" with ethnic Jewish people. The guards were replaced with whoever would take the task, since they were having trouble finding people who were willing to kill Alexei and the women. Even up until the last day, 2 guards had to be replaced because they said they could not resolve to kill the girls or Alexei.

>>2568057
Didn't a lot of these kikes get a taste of their under medicine under Uncle Joe?

>>2568006
When you get your "understanding" from insane, anti-Semitic conspiracy websites (zomg there was a secret rabbit on the train to Ipatiev!111!!!) then your "understanding" is going to be pretty fucking retarded.

>>2568068
Yeah, Yagoda & Co did. There's rumors Sverdlov was beaten to death by his own workers too.

>Stalin in late 40s purges party and it loses its predominantly Jewish character at the higher levels
>Immediately American Jews become anti-soviet

like pottery.

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>>2568063
>>2568071
You show that bigot bro. Jews never work together as a group, that's just a conspiracy theory.

WASPs however...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe9KN2V5xQ8

>>2568006

We know the identifies of 6 of the people who participated in the killings for sure:

Ermakov, not Jewish
Nikulin, not Jewish
Kudrin, not Jewish
Medvedev, not Jewish
Netrebin, not Jewish
Yurovsky, ethnically Jewish but not religiously practicing

The original plan was to have 11 shooters, one for each victim. 2 of the designated executioners bowed out a few days beforehand and were replaced by 1 of Ermakov's comrades (which one is debated) and another by one of the guards posted at the house. 2 more people bowed out at the literal last hour and could not be replaced in time, so where were 9 total executioners.

The identity of the unknown shooters is debated, but 1 was known to Ermakov (likely Stepan Vaganov, who was Ermakov's right hand man) and the other 2 may have been Alexey Kabanov and Jan Tsel'ms, both stationed at the house. None of these 3 were Jewish.

What you're talking about is derived from the urban myth that "Letts and Jews" were brought in to kill the family, since some of the executions were Cheka and Cheka police were collectively and dismissively labeled "Letts."

>>2568146
>Yurovsky, ethnically Jewish but not religiously practicing

You could say this about 80% of the major donors to AIPAC.

>>2568057
It's really amazing how much Jews can hold a grudge. I'm not even anti-semitic or a holocaust denier or anything but to this day they still will never forgive the Egyptians for a period of slavery that never historically happened.

>>2564714
>botched a war
Which one?
Russo-Japanese? The Russians weren't prepared and there was nothing Nicholas could have done to shrink Siberia to a manageable size.
WW1? Russia was never going to win against Germany. Russia was outclassed in every way except manpower.

>>2568350
>run the grain trade in egypt
>get kicked out
>wander into mesopotamia
>teleport behind modern day palestine
>exterminate amorites
>cries out in pain as he commits genocide

pssht

nothing personnel goy

>>2568037
>plebbit
>right wing echo chamber
0/10

>>2568632
Exactly which is why the blood is on Nicholas's hands.

>>2568708
Are you memeing? Japan started hostilities and WW1 was pushed into a war outside the Balkans by Wilhelm II. Nicholas literally asked Wilhem to back his proposal of arbitrating the Austro-Serbian problem in the Hague Conference.

>>2568708
Are you literally trying to defend the monstrous mistakes he made?

>>2568047
his being jewish had nothing do to with it. in fact, trotsky had a lot of reservations about leading russia because he knew that he would become a lightning rod for anti-semitic conspiracies. nevertheless, i do agree that he was even more hardline than stalin but i think he did have pragmatic tendencies (for example, he literally converted to bolshevism from menshevism a few months before the October revolution)

>>2567340
> bolshevism should have been killed
There were many other parties and you can't kill them all. Monarchy was doomed one way or the another.

>>2568057
Lenin was the furthest thing from a jew culturally. he also was part kalmyk (western mongolian). but most of all he was an acculturated russian, and his supposedly jewish ancestry came from a highly assimilated jew who had converted to orthodoxy several generations prior to lenin being born. so to cite lenin as jewish on account of some jewish blood is literally retarded.

>>2568788
>There were many other parties and you can't kill them all.
Why not?
Stalin did.

>Monarchy was doomed one way or the another.
The sin of treating Communists with mercy bears a weighty price.

>>2568863
Stalin did it because everyone who opposed commies were killed by commies. To do the same you need Tzar to commit same crime.

>>2568786
How is becoming more hard-line pragmatism?

>>2556412
I honestly can't read this shit. At least the fact that the commies failed miserably makes me feel better.

>>2568889
he saw the writing on the wall and realized that the bolsheviks had the best shot at taking power. but thinking on it you may be right, 1917 radicalized him. thing is i don't know enough about the revolution to answer in depth.

also, he did win the civil war, but again there's a lot of factors there

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i want to protect his smile

>>2568786
>anti-semitic conspiracies

Yes, him going to New York to solicit funds from wealthy Jews like Jacob Schiff was a conspiracy theory. Him being sympathetic to Zionism in his twilight years was a conspiracy theory.

What is it with /his/ and the belief that Jews have literally done nothing wrong ever? You don't need to go full /pol/ to realize that Jewish tribalism is a real thing.

>>2568804
>Lenin
>furthest thing from a jew

Srul Moshevich Blank (Russian: Cpyль Moшeвич Блaнк) also spelled Israil Moiseevich Blank (Russian: Изpaиль Moиceeвич Блaнк) baptized Alexander Dmitrievich Blank (Aлeкcaндp Дмитpиeвич Блaнк); (1804-17 July 1870) was a Russian medical doctor and a landowner, the younger son of Moshe Blank and a grandfather of Vladimir Lenin.

>a highly assimilated jew

Hahaha, yes. Just like American secular Jewry is "highly assimilated" am I right?

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>>2570590

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>>2570817

>>2570626
What? Nobody's saying that, this board by and large isn't a place where people deny that Jewish tribalism is a thing or that Jews have never done anything bad ever.

What /his/ by and large takes issue with is the /pol/ fantasy that ANYTIME A JEW DOES SOMETHING BAD, it's BECAUSE THEY WERE A JEW.

Yes, Trotsky was a Jew, and yes, that's evident in some of the things he did and said and gained him some allies he might not otherwise have had -- as well as enemies. He was intelligent; of course he was aware of all this. Nobody's denying that.

What they're saying, reasonably enough, is that his penchant for atrocities had nothing to do with his Jewishness. He was OK with murdering tons of people for the sake of his cause not because he was Jewish but because he was Trotsky. He was OK with killing folks because he considered it justifiable and expedient, not to advance some sinister happy merchant.jpg hook-nosed yes good goyim Jew plot.

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>>2555726

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#1 fan

can someone redpill me about nicky, I don't really see anything he did that was that bad

>>2573349
He didn't. It's just assblasted commies trying to justify the murder of innocents.

>>2573349
ww1, russo-japan, serfdom

>>2573349
>Took personal command of the Army, failed hard
>Listened to his Wife and Rasputin above Ministers and Generals
>Fired competent Ministers and Generals
>Didn't fire Protopopov
>Didn't properly administer food in Russia, leading to hunger riots in a country with an agricultural surplus

We could go on for a while.

>>2573349
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905)

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>>2555726
>Romanov thread
>filled with pictures of Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg's larping as Romanovs

>>2568037
>plebbit
>right wing echo chamber

>>2573839
Anything that's not batshit insane transfat communism is right wing to these people.

>>2568037
nice baito desu

>>2573627
Nicholas was away from the capital at Tsarskoe Selo during that riot. GJ,GE

>>2573518
German aggression, Japanese Aggression, abolished by Alexander II.

>>2570626
>>2570629
you edited my comment to fit your view, /pol/ack. I said he was the furthest CULTURALLY from a jew. We are at odd here. I don't believe jewish ancestry doesn't make one jewish. I'm not a stupid ameritard who spergs about the one drop rule.
>Hahaha, yes. Just like American secular Jewry is "highly assimilated" am I right?
Yes, because you've read and observed so extensively about American jewry that you know their inner beliefs!
>hahaha XD

>>2570626
so do i blame all americans from dropping an atomic bomb? germans because they produced hitler? russians for producing a stalin? no.

>Yes, him going to New York to solicit funds from wealthy Jews like Jacob Schiff was a conspiracy theory.
so you're saying because trotsky solicited one jewish person, he's guilty of having solicited the entire jewish people?
have you ever heard of something called affinity fraud?
> Him being sympathetic to Zionism in his twilight years was a conspiracy theory.
people's views change over time. its not surprising considering trotsky's failure and ouster from the soviet union to have his views changed.

but something however tells me its worthless arguing with you. i suspected you're exaggerating trotsky's zionism and playing up this jewish connection, considering your insincerity and you'r blatant attempt to skew everything to fit your anti-semitic narrative.
>inbf b-b-but i'm not anti-semitic!
embrace what you are. you're on an anonymous forum yet you're still too scared to admit it. that's because you know you realize your religious hatred of jews is irrational and purely based on your fee-fees.

>>2573542
>Took personal command of the Army, failed hard
It was failing hard before he took command and won its greatest victory after he took command.
>Fired competent Ministers and Generals
Yeah, Ministers and Generals that had been fucking up war efforts and failed to modernize the army after the Russo-Japanese War, so competent!
>Didn't fire Protopopov
You can't fire everyone and leave a vacuum.
>Didn't properly administer food in Russia, leading to hunger riots in a country with an agricultural surplus
Yes, a surplus, the very same surplus that magically prevented famine after Nicholas was killed, oh wait...

Congratulations on going 1 for 5.

has anyone here read Nicholas II emperor of all the russias? I want to read it but I don't want anything too biased either wa

When Will they translate Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together into English?

>>2574004
not that guy but:
>It was failing hard before he took command and won its greatest victory after he took command.
it wasn't about that, it was all about public perception and optics. just like people blamed the Tsar's 'german' wife for sabotaging the war, so they blamed nicholas for his "failure" as though he were the one personally conducting the war
>fucking up war efforts and failed to modernize the army after the Russo-Japanese War
there actually was, and it was due to be completed by 1917, but the war broke out earlier than expected in 1914. The fact that russia went from being beaten by an upstart to waging a total war that lasted three years against the ottomans, the austrohungarians and the germans showed just how far they had come from a decade earlier. In the process, they were actually able to permanently clobber the habsburg armies and the ottoman armies in the caucases, despite suffering bad defeats at the hands of the germans.
>You can't fire everyone and leave a vacuum.
don't know enough about this
>Yes, a surplus, the very same surplus that magically prevented famine after Nicholas was killed, oh wait...
sounds like conspiracy theorizing. by the time Nicholas got shot in early 1918, he had been out of power since the February revolution the year before which, unlike the October revolution, was a genuinely peaceful and popular revolution that saw a liberal democratic goverment come to power. To hint that there were malevolent forces behind the February revolution that witheld grain on purpose, and kept withholding grain for a whole other year, during which the provisional government collapsed and the bolsheviks took power and civil war erupted, is absurd.

>>2564805
>>2564753

>Unironically supporting child murder because of the circumstance the children were born into.

You are better than Racists and Faschists how again?

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>>2573971
>russians for producing a stalin? no.

Stalin was Georgian and Bolshevism was Jewish.

>Yes, because you've read and observed so extensively about American jewry that you know their inner beliefs!

Obvious kike detected.

Most American Jews put Israel first when they support America funding and arming a state in the Middle East that is of absolutely no geopolitical benefit to American interests and worse, has actively tried to undermine America by selling US military equipment to China.

But yeah, Jewry is 100% loyal to US interests irrespective of Israel, kek.

>ameritard

I'm not American.

>inbf b-b-but i'm not anti-semitic!

I don't recall saying this kike. I am absolutely counter-semitic.

>people's views change over time. its not surprising considering trotsky's failure and ouster from the soviet union to have his views changed.

Why would his views change from ardent internationalism to sympathy for ethnic nationalism? lol.

>>2573911
What's funny is the people ranting about Bloody Sunday when it was a drop in the ocean to the slaughter Lenin & Trotsky perpetrated.

>>2574914
Exile would have been ideal.

The advent of every government type other than absolute monarchy was a mistake

>>2573971

You've got to be kidding me, you're going to blame ethnic Russians for the excesses of a Jewish ideology like Marxism?

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>>2555726
Could somebody tell me why they had to die? I mean, I have zero previous knowledge about the Romanov family or the historical context.

>>2577426
They didn't have to die.

>>2577426
They weren't even relevant for the line of succession

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>>2577426
>Could somebody tell me why they had to die?
They didn't have to, it was just bloodthirsty commies doing what commies do best, killing innocents.

>8 million civilians die during the revolution and civil war
>muh romanovs
>so tragic

Monarcucks are disgusting. You are commie-tier bootlickers, but instead of the party or the state you chose muh royal family.

>>2578117
Colour is creepy here.

>bloodthirsty commies doing what commies do best, killing innocents
What about the jews?

>>2577426
Well they tried to request asylum but no one would let them in. At least the nazi's had the decency to let Wilhelm II live in exile.

a death is a tragedy a million is a statistic

>>2573349
He didn't want to be a leader but felt tjat he had to because god. That made him a leader that didn't really give a shit

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>>2577426
They didn't have to die. They were killed because the communist regime wanted to show that it had no qualms about slaughtering anyone--women, children, didn't matter--who might in any way be seen as opposition to the new order.

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>The only one to try to oppose us was Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich. Physically he was stronger than the rest. We had to grapple with him. He told us categorically that he was not going anywhere, as he knew they all were going to be killed. He barricaded himself behind the cupboard and our efforts to get him out were in vain. We lost precious time. I finally lost my patience and shot at the Grand Duke. However, I only fired with the intention of wounding him slightly and frightening him into submission. I wounded him in the arm. He did not resist further. I bound his hand and covered his eyes. We put him in the last cart and set off. We were in a great hurry: already the dawn was heralding morning. Along the way, Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich again repeated that he knew they were all going to be killed. “ Tell me why? He asked. “ I have never been involved in politics. I loved sports, played billiards, and was interested in numismatics. “ I reassured him as best as I could.

>>2575646
>>2576139
It's arguable

>>2576126
>you're going to blame ethnic Russians
where did I say this. I'm saying the opposite; condemning an ethnic group collectively is a slippery slope.

>>2576126
>>2576139
>jewish ideology
>bolshevism
as much as you push this meme it's outright false. if you really believe this you don't have a clue about marxist ideology. and I'm saying this as someone with little sympathy for bolshevism or marxism as a practical idea.
you're idea that bolshevism is jewish has been disproven by other anons countless of times.

>>2576139
>>2575646
>Stalin was Georgian
When I said "for producing a stalin" I meant the political circumstances in which he arose were unique to russian history. georgia was part of the russian empire so he was a "russian subject," despite growing up in a georgian cultural milieu. As it happened anyway, stalin in effect abandoned his georgian identity in young adulthood, learning russian (though he had a heavy accent), mostly speaking russian the rest of his life, marrying russian women and as leader of the Soviet Union favoring the russian majority over other ethnic groups in the empire.
this brings us back to the point that I don't blame russians collectively for producing stalin.

>>2575646
>Obvious kike detected.
>everybody who disagrees with me is a KIKE
no argument here

>Most American Jews put Israel first when they support America funding and arming a state in the Middle East
[citation needed]

>that is of absolutely no geopolitical benefit to American interests and worse, has actively tried to undermine America by selling US military equipment to China.
[citation needed]
Israel does receive US funding, 3 billion per year i think, but israel gdp is 300 billion so if israel loses that funding it's not an existential threat. it should also be said that out of israel's neighbors, the egyptians receive 1.5 billion in military aid, the west bank receives one billion in us foreign aid, and jordan gets 1.5 billion

>>2579555
>by selling US military equipment to China.
as far as i know israel is an arms producer in its own right and selling its own products to the chinese market. even if it was selling us equipment to china, israel is a sovereign state with its own foreign policy like any other country. i agree that israel benefits and exploits its relationship with the US but not out of any grand conspiracy

>>2573971
>germans because they produced hitler?
I can't remember if Marxists agree or disagree with sonderweg.

>>2567975
Shut up already lmao

>>2578634
Reminder he was literally on his way to signing a Constitution when a Marxist killed him.

>>2559955
'mirin dem triple dubs

>>2556412
>>2564106
>sadistic fanfic

What did he mean by this?

>>2562015
>going to the beach with a shovel

Fucking germanic genes.

>>2580617
>a Marxist killed him

Narodnaya Volya, the organization that assassinated him, was literally a "populist" organization.
They called themselves populists, analysts called them populists, they still do today.
And if anything they were nationalist socialists, or russian nazis, since they wanted ethnic russian (european slavs) to rule.

So no, not a Marxist. Marxism was a german creature at the time. Russia was the least Marxist place on the planet all the way until Lenin managed to capture the capital by promising soldiers that each and every one of them will have the power of a general.

>>2573971
>germans because they produced hitler?
You mean Austria?

>>2580864
Austria produced the guy, Germany produced the political figure.

>>2580883
And the difference is?

>>2580996
the difference is we aren't mad at hitler for his genetics, rather his actions
its the german part that we hate, no the austrian

>>2581001
There is no German part, he is Austrian.

Are you an Austrian trying to shift the blame?

>>2581011
Are you mentally retarded?
He was a harmless edgy bachelor until the german political climate in Germany enabled him to be a german politician in Germany and use the german people in Germany and himself as a german leader of Germany to do bad shit.

Like blaming an iron ore mine for a murder, because the gun was made of metal.

>>2566454
He didn't want to lose face to his wife.

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>>2570819
>>2570817
Meanwhile she's choking on the Big Mystic Cock

>>2581048
He was still Austrian.
It's more like blaming the factory for the gun even though it has a store's name on it.

>>2560333
Bullshit, sky is found in russian noble families
>dostoyevsky
>rimsky-korsakov

>>2581011
>Hitler is austrian
Hitler said many times that Austria is a non-country that should be abolished and become a province of german Reich. He hated the Hapsburg empire with a passion for having slavs and hungarians. He is german first

>>2581097
>t.Austrian
And Beethoven is Austrian right?

>>2581064
Actually their ancestors lived in Lithuania.

>>2581097
t. Russian actually

>>2581195
Rismky-Korsakovs ancestors were russian

>>2556134
If this is real the man had a flawless fucking accent.

>>2581229
I'm just ordinary "wiki-warrior", but okay
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B

>>2560073
Because its Polish you austist

>>2581472
nicky was a cutie

>>2580862
They were socialists, they were literally the predecessors of the Socialist Revolutionary Party.

>>2581062
Is there any proof she was fucking Rasputin or is it just like the bullshit claims he was fucking the girls?

>>2583690
He looks vaguely like Finn Balor.

>>2584594
Bullshit claims.

>just like the bullshit claims he was fucking the girls?

god I hate Helen Rappaport.

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>>2584594
It's bullshit propagated by communists. Since they couldn't turn the people against Nicholas, they resorted to lies and slander to turn them against Alexandra and through her, the monarchy itself.

Reminder Alexandra did nothing a good mother wouldn't have done.

>>2581063
GERMAN circumstances made Hitler. His war time experience in WWI with the German army would have been wholly different than the experience of fighting in the austro-hungarian army. It was the destruction of the German Empire which devastated him and made him swear to become a politicians and overturn Versailles. It was that same instance when his anti-semitism crystallized into the extreme form that would dictate his policies in Nazi Germany.

>>2580063
the sonderweg thesis is not entirely accepted anymore. a lot of historians argue now that Germany's path was pretty conventional and despite the conservative facade of the german empire things were liberalizing, universal suffrage existed (even before some other powers implemented it) and such. I'm not sure about Marxists but I suspect they don't support it because they'd look at the international structure of capitalism and their thesis has always tended to stress that fascism or nazism is a puppet for counterrevolution and more particularly capitalist interests that were allegedly threatened by communism.

>>2581243
The Russian aristocracy, among others, spoke french from birth cause that was the language of high society. that said that had been falling out of favor after the Napoleonic invasion, but I'm not surprised it persited among the royal family which, as heads of state, had to know french to conduct diplomacy and converse with people in western europe. However, Nicholas I've heard mostly spoke English with his wife and they wrote in english to eachother in their correspondence, so I'm even more curious to hear his english.

>>2584928
One crazy Austrian if you ask me.

Stop it Imma cry

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>>2575646
Lenin had just as much Jewish blood in him as Hitler

>>2585609
Daily reminder Judeism goes through the mother's side.

>>2567993
>What thousands?
At the very least the 60K dead from the Russo Japanese War and well over 1,000,000 in the Great War

>How was he to blame for the Russo-Japanese War?

His terrible diplomatic strategy - he sought to control Manchuria and Korea as did Japan. Japan wished to negotiate a settlement that would carve it up between them both and avoid conflict.

Nicks strategy was to stall negations with the Japanese until he could get enough soldiers there from the West so he could then force the Japanese to accept nothing. He also thought the Japanese would sit there and just wait while trainloads of soldiers slowly trickled in, he was genuinely surprised when the Japanese went to war over this.

>shouldn't have been arming non-white powers in the first place.

Read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incident

>>2585706
>After navigating a non-existent minefield, the Russian fleet sailed into the North Sea. The disaster of 21 October began in the evening, when the captain of the supply ship Kamchatka (Кaмчaткa), which was last in the Russian line, took a passing Swedish ship for a Japanese torpedo boat and radioed that he was being attacked.

>Later that night, during fog, the officers on duty sighted the British trawlers, interpreted their signals incorrectly and classified them as Japanese torpedo boats, despite being more than 20,000 miles (30,000 km) from Japan.

>The Russian warships illuminated the trawlers with their searchlights and opened fire. The British trawler Crane was sunk, and its captain and first mate were killed. Four other trawlers were damaged, and six other fishermen were wounded, one of whom died a few months later.
As the trawlers had their nets down, they were unable to flee and, in the general chaos,

>Russian ships shot at each other: the cruisers Aurora and Dmitrii Donskoi were taken for Japanese warships and bombarded by seven battleships sailing in formation, damaging both ships and killing a chaplain and at least one sailor and severely wounding another. During the pandemonium, several Russian ships signalled torpedoes had hit them, and on board the battleship Borodino rumours spread that the ship was being boarded by the Japanese, with some crews donning life vests and lying prone on the deck, and others drawing cutlasses.

>More serious losses to both sides were only avoided by the extremely low quality of Russian gunnery, with the battleship Oryol reportedly firing more than 500 shells without hitting anything.[6] After twenty minutes' firing the fishermen saw a blue light signal on one of the warships, the order to cease firing.[7]

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>>2585718
>and on board the battleship Borodino rumours spread that the ship was being boarded by the Japanese, with some crews donning life vests and lying prone on the deck, and others drawing cutlasses.
I'm surprised they didn't start fighting each other.

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do you think nick ever had any gay experiences in his youth

>>2584166
They were nationalists. Thats like the opposite of Marxists.
Socialism is a catch all term for a lot of ideologies. Read a book.

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:^)

>>2586553
>>2586617
>>>/r/socialism

>>2578117

3, 1, 2, 4

>>2586341
>muh no true marxists
They were a socialist party, focused primarily on agricultural socialism but socialist nonetheless.
Once again, Marxists ruin everything for everyone.

>>2590025
When someone is the textbook opposite of a Marxist, I don't think its unfair to claim they aren't a Marxist.
They were russian etno-nationalists who wanted subhumans to fuck off away from their country, how is that in any way Marxist? They were proto-nazis.

>>2573272
Is that the Crimea chick?

>>2577426
as they were intimately connected to the man who was the foundation of the white movements unity and they were at risk of falling out of soviet control as the Czech legion advanced. This is one of the downsides of tying political power and influence to birth. Even though they were blind to the evil of their gentle father they got drawn into the noose he made.
If they escaped they would have been extremely effective in unifying and gaining the foriegn aide their autistic fathers and generals failed at doing.

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>mfw watched the Anastasia film from 1997 almost every single day in my childhood
>mfw found it super tragic
>mfw learned that they were brutally executed by the commies
>mfw you wish that Nicholas II and his family had survived
>mfw you view Nicholas II as the best dad ever
>mfw that beard
>mfw ignorant of anything bad he ever did

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>>2591771
stay pure anon

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>>2591771
Like he ever did anything wrong

>>2591793
Indeed.

Gotta go to Belgrade and visit those monuments.

>>2591771
he was a weak ass beta cuck

i was like you, until I started reading russian works about him. he's literally referred to as "tsar-rag" even by the white movement (aka tsar'-tryapka)

>>2591836
well i have a hell of a lot more sympathy for a weak ass beta cuck who was born into a role he did not want than a weak ass beta cuck who willingly rose to a role

>>2591612
>Narodnaya Volya were etno-nationalists who wanted subhumans to fuck off away from their country
[citation needed]

>>2580862
>>2586341
>>2591612
You're thinking of "Narodniks" my friend. Their brand of "populism" was using the peasantry as the revolutionary class in place of the industrial workers. They argued the Russian peasantry would better serve as the vanguards of a socialist revolution, because
1. Russia was a primarally agragrian society
And
2. The peasants were already used to living in basic communes, the "obschina".
In conclusion, Narodniks were not "textbook opposite of Marxists" as you claim, they were pretty damn Marxists and in fact are the ideological forefathers of the Russian left and all of Imperial Russia's Marxist political parties drew influence from the Narodniks.

>>2591941
Marx - states are artificial constructs by the ruling class to divide and conquer, workers of the world should unite to force peace and distribute things among the people.
Not Marx - russian workers should tell all other people to fuck off so we can distribute Russia among ourselves and fuck everyone else.

If its nationalist or patriotic, its not Marx.

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>>2591771
>mfw found it super tragic
Do you find the millions he sent to their deaths tragic?

>>mfw ignorant of anything bad he ever did
Have you looked into him beyond a disney film and a handful of photographs on the internet?

>you view Nicholas II as the best dad ever
What do you base this on though, is it literally just a disney film?


>>2591858
>well i have a hell of a lot more sympathy for a weak ass beta cuck who was born into a role he did not want

What about a beta cuck who stubbornly refused to share power or to abdicate it to someone who could? What about a cuck who destroyed the goodwork being done by his predecessors and was so far removed from reality he only realised he and his family might have to face the consequences of his bad decisions when he was literally being arressted?

>than a weak ass beta cuck who willingly rose to a role

Betas cant rise to such heights anon, what do you base your knowledge of the civil war on?

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Tatiana and her uncle

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nicky attempting to murder one of his daughters

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>>2592144
>>2592148

Do you think he as he and his children were being gunned down he finally accepted responsibility for his failure as a father and a Tzar?

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"By now, when the nickname “Boysy” appears in correspondence between himself and his wife, it is no longer used merely as a term of endearment; rather, it refers to a specific part of his anatomy, the female equivalent of which is “lady.” So now he writes to Alix: “Fancy Boysy is so sad that he is alone, that it has made me forget about his very existence. He sends his respects to lady.” Boysy was clearly full of vigour once reunited with lady, for by the end of November Alix was again pregnant."

>>2592143
:3

>>2556161
do you see how much of a shitheap Russia is today? thats their punishment

>>2592156
don't cut yourself on that edge faggot

>>2591969
>russian workers should tell all other people to fuck off
not Narodnik policy, gj ge

>>2555773
And replaced it with mass starvation and the torture of innocents.

Based Gommunists!

>>2592156
kek.
It's actually a good question. But he may have realized that when he basically abdicated in frustration when workers cucked him from returning to the capital by cutting the railway lines

>>2577426
As long as they lived the White Army actually had something to fight for.

>>2591969
By your revisionist definition, Lenin ceased to be a Marxist when he changed focus to stabilizing Bolshevik control in Russia instead of expanding the Revolution to the neighboring countries. You're not fooling anyone faggot.

>>2594616
You think the white armies were fighting for some children that were basically irrelevant to the succession? They weren't even entirely monarchist. The Bolsheviks also tried to suppress the fact that they had killed the children.

>>2591754
No one cared about Nicholas after the February revolution and there's really no reason to believe they would have anything resembling the effect you describe.

>>2555744
That the state depends on the tsar and the tsar depends on the state

>>2594674
That's only partially true. The Bolsheviks and the more radical SRs were threatening chimpouts every week over the Romanovs, so much so that they Provisional Gvt. decided they would be safer in Siberia.

>>2564714
YOU
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>>2586251
>tfw you will never convert Nicky to homosexuality with the power of your dick

>>2594674
>No one cared about Nicholas after the February revolution

Because the provisional government was still fighting the war and no one expected a punch of uppity peasants and factory workers to overthrow a millennia old monarchy.

Take a look at the shit fest that was the exiled white movement and how much better they could have done with the heads of the Romanov family to provide a measure of hierarchy and appeal that only true aristocrats can provide rather than the every general for himself approach.

>>2593917
oh right because famines never existed in russia for centuries before the bolsheviks and the okrahna never existed

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>>2555726

>>2594685
You're right, I meant in the sense that few people seriously saw Nicholas II coming back to the throne as a viable option.

>>2595449
>heads of the Romanov family
Who? The 14 year old haemophiliac (who Nicholas II included in his own abdication) or the thoroughly failed, embarrassed and incompetent Nicholas II who had already abdicated?

The white armies weren't even entirely pro-monarchy or pro-autocracy, much less pro-Nicholas.

>>2585761
HONK