China often boasts of being a 5000 year old civilization, but

>>2551044
they have too many people anon

if china was broken up more they might have some different styles of government

>>2551044
>but what good has that ever done them?
You know how the country has this strong urge to unite no matter how divided they can get.

2000 years of Empire does that to ya.

>>2551044
and yet it will soon buy out the world anyway

Western power didn't even dominate until the 18th century and won't even last to the end of the 21st

that tells you something

>>2551242
You're talking about global dominance, which wasn't a thing until then.

>>2551259
even regional dominance which was always a thing in China was only a thing for Euro kingdoms after the discovery of America

sure there was Rome but Rome had all of the description OP made of China without the longevity

>>2551044
prep time is almost over anon

>>2551242
China will starve without the west

>>2551044
You realize modern chinese borders were not the borders of the Qin dynasty? China expanded several times. Furthermore they came up with many innovations before Europe did

>>2551861
>fed itself completely (well, usually) for 5000 years until 2000's
>le now it will starve without 27 of the 198 countries
>doesn't realize what the Chinese are buying

>>2551955
>>5000 years
lel

>>2551955
They're in the middle of severe desertification.

>>2551044
Where did they pull that 5000 number from anyway? To make themselves seem really ancient?

Even if you count the mythical Xia """dynasty""" that's still only the middle to late Bronze Age. Not even a patch on Egypt or the Near East's ass. Even the Minoans and Mycenaeans were thriving then.

>>2551278
>which was always a thing in China
Except when they were being forced to pay tribute to steppe nomads, which was on and off from like 200bc to 1300.

>>2554264
It was some bullshit made up by the Hans to make themselves look more legit.

>>2551955
>doesn't realize he didn't mean literally starve

>>2551044
keep saying this b4 they come and take gunpowder tax

>>2554264
>Where did they pull that 5000 number from anyway?
IIRC some ancient Chinese scholar from 2000 years ago said it was 3000 years old at the time, so naturally it is now 5000 years old if you take him at his word.

It's sad how China today is in exile

>>2554319
Here comes Chang and his 999,999,999+ friends

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>>2551044
FREE TIBET!!!!

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>>2551955
>fed itself completely (well, usually) for 5000 years

Because back then, 99% of Chinese were mud farming peasants who grew their own food.

Nowadays, most Chinese are urban factory drones and if Trump were to actually shut down imports into the U.S. (yeah, I know...) China would go into a tail-spin as their economy gets pulled out from under them.

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>>2554264
>Even if you count the mythical Xia """dynasty""" that's still only the middle to late Bronze Age.

And I'd say it's no coincidence that the Shang dynasty, the earliest verified civilization in China, came about right when Indo-Europeans exploded onto the scene.

>>2551955
>population has not changed in 5000 years nor since the 1940s

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>>2551242

>>2555368
tibet is a meme

t. 50c shill or whatever the fr*ck

>>2551278
>Always
Everytime they stretched their dicks too far a Steppe Niggers has enough of their shit and bitch slap them

>>2555736
Most collapses started from the inside out.

China is such an overrated piece of shit. Despite its billions of drones, it might as well never have existed and we would be no less advanced today.

>>2555447
WE

>>2555419
so would the us economy...

>>2555736
Rather the other way round. They had to live withz steppe niggers on their border -just liek eastern european countries-, but whenever these assholes got too much uppidity the Chinese mounted some largescale invasion to put them in their place

>>2555419
they could also nuke each other I wonder what would be worst

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>>2551044
>China often boasts of being a 5000 year old civilization,

By the same "reasoning", Europe is an 8,000 year old civilization. Now what, gooks?

>>2556238
China has had repeated long periods of unity and a common cultural identity and written language. Europe hasn't been united since the fall of Rome.

>>2556245
>Europe hasn't been united since the fall of Rome
What is the European Union?

>>2551044
>within their own borders
Those borders are massive, and contained a pretty high proportion of the total global population.

They have almost always been a preeminent regional power, and are gearing up for a more global role now.

Sure, they couldn't compete with Western powers for 300 years (who could?), but they're working on remedying that.

>>2556314
A union that is about to lose its second largest contributor.

>>2551044
>perpetuating a bureaucracy whose only function was to keep itself in existence.
so.. just like every other state

>>2556331
>England being anything but a trade partner in the EU
nice meme

>implying China would be colonizing the planet without the help of US and Nixon since the 70s
Nixon literally created superpower China and the US continued to transfer the wealth and future of the west to China
would china be what it is today solely based on china's abilities and without western transfer of wealth and technology?


US is China's greatest ally. if it was not for the US, China would still be a country based on subsistence farming.
US literally created superpower China...
Nixon birthed superpower China and the US continued to transfer the wealth and future of the west to China
china would not be what it is today solely based on china's abilities and without western transfer of wealth and technology

China's rise was due to a transfer of wealth from the west.

>murica transfer of wealth/technology/industry to poor rural china
>murica create power strong china
>murica claim a strong china a problem
>murica plans on fighting strong china with totalitarian TTP eroding more citizen rights
>not creating a scapegoat to implement totalitarianism


the power brokers transferred:
-literally all the financial funds of US workers to China,
-transferred technology and jobs to China
-hyperinflated the housing so that only the Chinese (recipients of western funds) could afford the housing

the transfer of funds was done involuntarily without the consent of the owners of the funds
the power brokers took western funds sitting in banks and invested all of that in China.


all that wealth transfer was from your pockets. the private funds in bank accounts, the housing assets, the jobs, all transferred by corporate USA without your agreement...

>>2556454
It wasn't a wealth transfer. You were buying cheap manufactured products from China and the rest of the Asian Tiger economies. You didn't have to do it, you could have continued to buy American like you had for decades.

>>2556470
But we opened the doors for that wealth transfer to happen

>>2556470
there was no single male millionaire in the 80s in China

they were agrarian and rural society prior to Nixon's transfer of wealth of the west to China

>laws enacted to trade with communists
>transfer industry
>transfer technology
>transfer jobs
>transfer private bank funds in investment stocks thru financial institutions
>newly minted Chinese buy up Australia, Canada, Europe, America
>wasn't a wealth transfer

this is the reason why bank savings interest rates have remained low since the rise of China and the deflation of the US dollar

bank savings interests rates were historically high prior to wealth transfer to Asia

your wealth which translated these savings rates were used by your gov't, banks, corporations to transfer wealth to China

just the tip of the iceberg m8s

>>2556475
you didnt
your industrial dictators did
they sold your future and profited

>>2556491
No, you did it by choosing to buy the cheap shit from China instead of quality domestic products thus turning market forces against your own people.

>>2556499
>No, you did it by choosing
i am in new delhi, m8

the burgers did not have chinese products prior to the 90s (80s for taiwan), they did not chose to open trade with china, the leaders did. they had no choice especially when everything was transferred to china

you are historically illiterate and culturally ignorant,

an example is US bike industry that transferred to Taiwan and were then dominated by Taiwanese ie Schwinn Vs Giat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bicycle_brands_and_manufacturing_companies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Taiwan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Bicycles
fuckin lurkmoar and educate yourself

>>2556525
this

the globalists are scapegoating Russia when they conspired with communist China and proven China ties

>>2556349
I suppose you're right, the UK leaving the EU really doesn't affect the standing of the European project in any way whatsoever.

>>2551993
What?

>>2553426
No. They are not.

>>2554302
Pretty confident Wu of Han cucked the fuck out of the steppeniggers

>>2554309
I tend to read "starve to death" as meaning starve to death.

>>2554805
It goes back to 2000bc based upon certain archaeological similarities. 3000bc, no evidence.

>>2554820
?

>>2555419
>hurdur we can nuke each other and die!

>>2555447
WE

>>2555546
>agricultural production efficiency is the same as it was in 2000bc

>>2555736
Multiple genocides of steppeniggers were committed by the han people

Find me some manchus,dzungars, or xiame today

>>2555783
>no compass
>no gunpowder
>no silk
>no porcelain
>no chinese buddhism
>no sundial
>no cheap consumer goods
>no global pollution machine

>>2556238
The roman empire started in 23bc. Even if it somehow still exists, that's less than China

>>2556314
A union about to lose its second biggest member

>>2556454
[Citation needed]

>>2556479
>no millionaire male in china 1980's
Hmmmmm /his/

>>2556534
>globalists
What does this mean

>>2556238
>USA
>G*rmany
>non country
>good

>Serbia
>evil

>UK
>Not evil

shit chart desu

>>2556314
The EU isn't a country, but China is, and has been reformed repeatedly for 5000 years.

You're a fucking idiot to not realise that.

A political union does not compare to an empire and state

>>2557428

America is the noblest expression of living for a human on this planet.

>>2555783
Europe only explored the world because they were trying to find trade routes to China that didn't run through Muslims.

>>2557379
>no silk
>no porcelain
>no chinese buddhism
>no sundial
>no cheap consumer goods
>no global pollution machine

Waaa...so important

now kys

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is it really 5000 years old civilization, if they get conquered by mongols and then manchus?

now, Japan has a 2000 year old continuous history under a single dynasty. most of the oldest businesses in the world are in japan.

China is better compared to Europe as a whole than to any one European country.

>>2557379
>No. They are not.
http://www.geocases1.co.uk/printable/Desertification%20and%20land%20degredation%20in%20China.htm
http://www.eolss.net/sample-chapters/c19/E1-05-06-08.pdf

>>2551044
Everyone who uses the idea that China is like a 5,000 year old civilisation as an argument for it being better than Europe seams to forget the fact that China has been repeatedly invaded and conquered many many times in its entirety. China has been through several ages, swapped dynasties a dozen times, and has been totally conquered by Central asians, mongols, manchus etc etc who were all outside of China at the time of invasion.
Also, China is neat, but doesn't hold a candle to the west when you think about the fact that countries like Britain have had a bigger impact on the modern world than all dynasties in china combined.
All china has done is simply continued to exist.

>>2562840
>and has been totally conquered by Central asians, mongols, manchus etc etc who were all outside of China
Just Mongols and Manchus. Everyone else only managed to conquer part of it during one of those periods of disunity.

>>2562840
>All china has done is simply continued to exist.
You could say this of the majority of non Western European civilizations. China did expand over time, though.

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>>2560192

But Japan wasn't really a civilization until it copied Chinese culture

Checkmate :)

>>2564713
Japan copied and preserved the Tang dynasty culture which was the best Chinese culture. Everything after that in China was shit.

>Chinese
>middle
>kingdom

>>2566049
>Tang
>not Song

>>2556238
>Israel is a Borg cube

Now i see.

>>2551044
becuase a gigantic empire like that cannot hope to do anything but this, in this entire era where they stagnated.

You can't control that many people properly before modern science came in.

Just look at how utterly corrupt the Ottoman Empire was even though it was of similar size but had far less population

>>2561325
http://news.stanford.edu/2016/06/16/chinas-environmental-conservation-efforts-making-positive-impact-stanford-scientists-say/

>Although the country has the highest rate of reforestation in the world.

>>2560078
>devices that enabled the discovery of the new world
>not important because MUH BUTTHURT

Off yourself faggot /pol/tard

>>2560078

And without the west there would be no Rotschilds and Rockefellers, just imagine what kind of world we would be living in today.

>>2566049
>and preserved

Lmao someone doesn't know about Cultural Revolution: Meiji's Modernization.

>>2551242

no, dont dabble inte /eco/ mr /his/ boy

>>2566265
>le no economists on /his/&humanities

>>2566271
>le

wow kid just go, did you read on the newspaper china was winning?

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>>2562840

>China has been repeatedly invaded and conquered many many times in its entirety.

And europe has been conquered by the jews ever since the europeans adopted christianity.

List me some western countries without "hatespeech"/"diversity"/antisemitism" laws.
Tell me how many can you name, cuck?

Atleast China DID manage to kick out their invaders, when will you do the same? Or are you afraid of being called a racist anti semite?

>>2566302
t. has an orange oligarch zionist as a president

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>>2566321

If a jew mentions the words "diversity" or antisemitism" your societies start falling like domino stones.

>>2554264

it's fake, like china is,

>>2554264
And where are Minoans and Egyptians now? China knows its not first, just the longest existing.

>>2566348
t. Hung Kam Bo

>>2566348
Here comes Tyrone Garcia Smith to tell us about diversity