Is there a army today that the ancient Romans could beat?

italy

will if battle is taking place today the Romans could pick up some guns

They could beat the Swiss Guards.

>>2549604
Sub-saharan africa

>>2549604

Argentina

Republic of Congo

Basically any military that doesnt have budget for ammo and tons of spare barrels

>>2549604
My two wickedly funny responses
>none, because ancient Romans are all dead
>AntiFa

>>2549604
Japanese ar, oh wait.

>>2549608
they would just hole up in their walled city and pick them off from further away than they can do jack shit
you do realize they don't just use halberds right?

>>2549604
No

>>2549608
>>2549851
Why do Americans believe dumb shit like this.

>>2549604
Probably something like the army of some tiny shithole. Or Lichtenstein.
Definitely Sealand.

>>2549604

Without updating their doctrine to modern standards, they'd all just get shot to death while charging into doom a la early WWI battles but worse because they don't even have guns and their useless armor is weighing them down. Their only hope would be against spear chuckers who don't even have AK-47's and are there even that many of those any more?

>>2549892
They could conquer africa though. All the romans would have to do is raid some blackmarket gun dump in Uluamabango, NIggeria and and equip their outfit with guns. They wouldn't really know how to best use them but they would figure it out and focus mostly on getting into close combat to fucking REKT

They could probably conquer Papua New Guinea

That would actually be bretty hilarious to watch tbqh

>>2550044
you are really retarded if you aren't trolling m9

>>2549605
This.

Or any other country as disorganized and lacking in firearms.

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>>2549608
You do know that the Swiss Guard are armed with MP5s and shit, right?

>>2550477
>romans wouldn't update their military with the changing times even though they were notorious for doing so
Retard alert

salvation army

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>>2550465
PNG tribalniggas have steel pipe muskets.

>>2551320

>roman army goes onto the field once in the modern day

Sure, I guess the five people left would update their tactics.

>>2549604
Ireland

>>2551340
I think you're underestimate the tactics and discipline of your average Roman legion. If they were going up against a powerful modern army, sure, but if they were up against a bunch of bumfucks in the middle of Uganda they could wage a serious guerilla war. People seem to be under the impression that the Roman army only ever fought in huge formations and against pathetic foes. For centuries the Roman army ambushed and raided its enemies.

>>2551348

They didn't consider that real warfare, though. Romans jacked off to setpiece battles.

Germany

>>2551354
Does the modern general not do exactly the same thing? Even now military academies are still needlessly obsessed with decisive pitched battles where the enemy is crushed in a single Clausewitzian decisive victory.

Roman authors still talk about minor skirmishes sometimes. There's a section in Ammianus where he discusses a group of Roman soldiers ambushing a group of barbarian tribesmen as they strip off to wash themselves in a stream. There's a lot of incidents in Tacitus' works where individual units fight.

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Romans could beat the US army if they caught them off guard. Imagine a band of US Marines, walking down a street in Rome, lead by a Roman guide. The soldiers laugh at how incredible it is that real life Romans, an entire cohort suddenly appeared, marching down the Appian Way like they'd popped out for a stroll, only to return 100 years later.
Their commander turns back to tell his men to shape up, they're on important business, even if it's just ensuring the Romans don't try anything funny. In that brief moment, the guide slips away. The Marines are confused, then they see the Romans pushing conveniently parked Fiats to block their path ahead. That's when the first explosive amphora lands in their midst, blasting shrapnel into exposed skin and setting men on fire. A cry rises up from behind them and Roman legionaries rush into the fray, cutting down Marines with their sharp gladiuses. They try to use their guns, but the Romans close the gap too quickly, their kevlar armor useless against well-placed stabs. Within five minutes the Marines are dead, their commander captured. Trumpets bellow and a Centurion stands atop the barricade "ROME HAS CONQUERED"

One more victory like that...

>>2549605
>LMAO ITUHLEEE WEEK ARMY HAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>2551407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chPRYXS0YZI

>>2551417
When was the last time Italy won a battle?

>>2551407
and then a 2000lb MOAB is dropoed from the sky by an F22 and wipes out the entire cohort.

High density HE barrages devistate roman lines as APCs and tank crews gun down the survivors.

US marines and army infantry begin COIN and MOUT operations in Roma, sweeping up any and all resistance.


what a glorious sight

>>2550044

Even if the Romans did get their hands on weapons, they've still got a huge disadvantage compared to your standard AK-toting nig.

Romans would be dropping like flies from African diseases, they wouldn't be able to communicate with any of the locals in order to acquire supplies (ammunition in particular, gasoline if they acquired any vehicles, and if they didn't that's another disadvantage), they'd have no idea how to properly maintain a firearm, they'd have to reinvent the wheel in terms of how to fight using guns when literally all their training is built around disciplined formation fighting, etc. They wouldn't be able to reinforce very easily (part of what the Romans did well was being able to drag out a fight), and they'd need to adapt FAST which they weren't good at doing, it often took them plenty of fuckups before they learned from their mistakes.

Getting dropped into modern Africa basically negates every aspect that made a Roman legion effective to practically nil. All you're doing is fellating "MUH GENIUS ROMANS CAN'T LOSE!" in the face of any sort of rationality. There were fucking contemporaries they struggled with. Hell, the Germans were the sub-saharan Africans of Europe and they fucked up against them.

>>2549604
Iceland

>>2549897
I've seen Sealand with my own eyes, from a few miles away. It really doesn't have much going for it.

I could grab a few guys from my local farmer's market, give them ARs (hell, any semi-auto rifle will do) and then proceed to kick the shit out of a bunch (what I assume to be) early Imperial Romans. Why? Because Joe Schmoe off the street understands the basic concept of modern combat (shoot the other guy, try not to get shot) while the Romans not only lack that understanding, but have antiquated ideas that would hinder them.

>>2551407
Isn't this the premise of a movie coming out? An entire us army fob is somehow transported into ancient Rome, heli assaults on the senate ensue?

>>2549604
Is there a modern army that doesn't use guns?

>>2551447
Italian civil war

>>2551313
Yea but theyre so small the Romans would only need to send in more men until they run out of bullets

>>2549604
Romans didn't invent Pilums or the Gladius. They took them from people's they conquered. The strength of Rome wasn't their God-like scientific mastery over their enemies, it was thei ability to adapt strategies and weaponry to their own, and broker deals where they didn't have to simply kill everyone who resisted them by themselves.
Carthage giving you trouble? Separate into a bunch of small armies to fuck with Hannibal, then send Scipio to Africa to get their tribal allies to help you, (after he's done fucking up their powers in Spain). They had no navy at the start of the first Punic War, they literally just captured a single Carthaginian ship and blatantly copied it a thousand times over. It's not unthinkable that they could overwhelm a Ugandan warehouse full of AK-47's, convince some disgruntled villages/nations to pester them to spread them thin, then capture cities they leave undefended and use them as piggy banks. They'd be delighted to know that the concept of walls and fortifications have been completely abandoned for the last century, so you can take any city you have the manpower for in a matter of days

>>2551417

cool your jets duce

>>2552017
That's not how this shit works. And for all we know, the Swiss Guard could have mortars and LMGs hidden in the Vatican.

>>2552017
>referring to ammunition as "bullets"
I genuinely cringe every time.

>>2552023
Except the average Roman wouldn't know what the basic concept of small arms is, let alone how to use and maintain them.

Don't get me started on the logistics nightmare that would be.

>>2552042

it's only really cringe inducing when people refer to tank or artillery rounds as bullets

>>2552023
>so you can take any city you have the manpower for in a matter of days

Modern urban warfare has shown this to be pretty patently false.

Why would these cities be totally unguarded? Why would the Romans be so mobile as to be able to catch one completely off guard and face no resistance?

>>2552023
>so you can take any city you have the manpower for in a matter of days
That's a cute idea, but no.

>>2551990
It's called GATE and it's an anime.

>>2551462
>dumbass yanke drops a bomb on the capital of italy
>starts ww3

>>2552104
Wouldn't the fucking Romans murdering US Marines be a bigger diplomatic issue?

>>2549604
Not a modern or even quasi-modern one, no.

If they rolled up on some north sentinalese though they'd probably fuck them up.

>>2552048
I didn't know shit about small arms or how to operate them either, until my Dad let me go shooting with him and my brother when I was like 8. Took me all of 5 minutes to learn how it worked. You really think they couldn't figure how to shoot? It's not that difficult, especially something like an AK-47. Do you imagine 5 high-ranking members of a legion that have made careers out of conquest sitting around a handgun for weeks on end trying to figure out how Jamaryius Fuqwaan made a bullet come out of the hole? None of them would think to pull the trigger back?
No, they'd see someone shoot one, kill him, and hold the gun like he was. Guns are ergonomically designed, and you kinda just naturally have your finger on it around the trigger. They'd find out how to shoot, experiment with it, and rather quickly learn how to operate it.
And that's the only advantage a place like Somalia would have. They have no concept of how to carry out warfare, how to organize troops, they don't have disciplined forces. If they did actually manage to organize into armies, the Romans would literally put their mobility and combat engineering to shame.

>>2549862
these

>>2551911
He said army, not country

>>2551313

The Romans would gain entry as they would be mistaken for costumed entertainers. Those niggas are all over Rome.

>>2551407
>the Romans close the gap too quickly
There is no gap to be closed. Assault rifles and carbines are as deadly at 10 ft away as they are at 2. They are not rifles that require a large space to use.

>>2552141

the million mozarts walking around vienna are more obnoxious

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>>2551407
You know those centurion tour guides walking around the Colosseum, posing for people who want to photograph them? I've always been suspicious of what they're doing when nobody is watching them...

Plot twist: They're secretly real Romans, gathering in the shadows of plain sight to coordinate their mischief.

No, a single obsolete BTR would curbstomp the best trained legion.

>>2552158
What's a BTR? Fucking acronyms, mans.

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>>2552160

>>2552082
>modern urban warfare has shown this to be pretty patently false
How many times has Germany occupied the majority of Eastern Europe in the last century? Did they not occupy France in a matter of weeks in WW2? Are you and I living in parallel universes where cities haven't been occupied in modern times?
Desert Storm? The 2nd Gulf War? Did America not crush military resistance like you or I would crush a gerbil?
A lot of countries would leave shit undefended if they were being invaded, they've never had to deal with an actual organized military. You tell me, how would Ethiopia besiege Rome? Send the 2 guys in the country without AIDS in with rusted 1911's and hope the Romans all bow at their feet? So many countries today are in shocking poverty and don't really have a military or anyone fighting over them in the first place. Are you seriously suggesting that Ethiopia is currently equipped to deal with one of the largest empires that have ever existed? Because they exist at the same time as firearms?

>>2552164
Thank you.

>>2549604
Why are r*mans so bloodthirsty?

>>2552121
Except you grew up in a post firearm world. Early Imperial Romans lived with a completely different paradigm, so trigger=bullets isn't even a concept.

And furthermore, I'd like to see what Romans would do against a technical. An LMG on the back of a truck would kill the shit out of them. Which really just points out the fact that Romans don't have trucks, or a vague idea of how to operate them.

And the next motherfucker to say AK-47 is officially Satan. Nobody uses them anymore, it's all AK-74s and AKMs.

>>2552164
>implying every army in the world today has them
That machine is literally worth more than the GDP of a lot of countries, and even then you're wrong.

>>2552175
Not him but yes i would suggest that. Weapons technology is ridiculously more advanced than in roman times. I don't think you realize how much more advanced.

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I could beat the Roman Empire.

With the power dance and song~

>>2552201
power of*

>>2552192
>That machine is literally worth more than the GDP of a lot of countries

Not really no.

But if you'd prefer how about an old ass sherman M4A3 (105) and tons of HE?

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>>2552189
Did you actually read the OP? Nobody is saying Rome could conquer Russia. The question is: is there an army Rome could beat.
At its height, Roman military had 380,000 soldiers. There are countries that don't have that many rounds of ammo at their disposal.

>>2552196
I don't think you realize how poor some armies are.

>>2552228
I do i just realize the rustiest AK is just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than a shield and gladius its not even a contest. Not to mention the most rudimentary of armored vehicles.

>>2552239
Not. Every. Army. Has. These. Things. This is Rome under Trajan.

>>2552228

I DON'T THINK YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH OF A HUGE FUCKING FORCE MULTIPLIER FIREARMS ARE

ONE GUY WITH AN AK AND 9 MAGAZINES IS EFFECTIVELY WORTH 100 ANCIENT ERA SOLDIERS. I DON'T CARE IF THE BASTARD CAN'T EVEN SHOOT STRAIGHT

FIREARMS ARE FUCKING *RIDICULOUS.*

>>2552226
But you don't need to kill everybody to beat an army. You just need to kill enough to cause the enemy to retreat. And you can bet your ass that Romans would get the hell out of Dodge once enough of their friends get mowed down by the magic death sticks.

That's not even bringing stuff like mortars, RPGs and hand grenades into the mix (all of which are easily within the reach of 3rd world militia), let alone tanks.

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>>2552259
>>2552239
This is Gambia.

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>>2552164
>>2552211

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>>2552276
And here's Rome. They don't have enough fuckig people to occupy Rome, even if they kill the entire military without a single fucking casualty

>>2552279
Thats a kids movie

>>2552259

Find me an army that can't scrounge up any fucking firearms or a few trucks. I don't think a state on earth exists that can't, and even if they couldn't they'd have militants in their country who could.

>>2552281
The question was if ther was an army today the ancient romans could beat. Not if there was an army today that could not conquer the whole of the roman empire.

>>2552276
>>2552281
What's your point though? OP asked if there's a modern army Rome could beat, not if 3rd worlders could occupy the Roman Empire.

>>2552279
>comparing Star Wars to IRL
????

>>2552281
>>2552276
The military of Gambia has 100 people, and 1 million USD in military expenditures. Rome has 380,000 soldiers. An AK-47 costs $534, so Gambia has $464,000 left to spend on ammunition and food if their soldiers are all armed with one. So every Gambian soldier needs to kill 380 people with a budget of $464 to go across the 2.5 million sq miles the Roman Empire spans.
Also, each Gambian soldier needs to be able to control 2,500 square miles of territory by himself.

>>2552321
Gambia has 1000, not 100.

>>2552279
can't tell if this is a joke or not.

>>2552313
And honestly I'd still give gambia better odds.

>>2552321
That's assuming Gambia didn't get their weapons from a 1st world benefactor decades ago.

>AK-47
>implying it's not a mix of AKMs and - 74s

>>2552281
>>2552276

In a hypothetical scenario where the ENTIRE ROMAN MILITARY from Britain to Egypt in Trajan's time ALL teleported to Africa and attacked Gambia's army all at once, I think you're right. 1,000 guys against approximately 450,000 isn't going to go well even if the Roman army was composed entirely of naked pygmies.

Now, if the Romans had to gather that army and march it down to Gambia, then we're talking. I bet you most of it would be dead before they got there, the rest would be hungry or exhausted, their empire would be crumbling because they left it entirely undefended, they'd probably be completely overextended in terms of supply, they'd probably be on the verge of mutiny, etc.

>>2552321
>An AK-47 costs $534
In their neck of the woods it would probably be more like $40. Not everywhere is gunbroker.

>>2552321
>he thinks Gambians buy their guns for American prices

>>2552321
>>2552341
>>2552354
>>2552361

To add to these he's not accounting for buying in bulk, which would obviously be cheaper.

Also worth noting from wikipedia:

" It now has several armoured cars (two of which are based at State House) and heavier caliber vehicle-mounted weapons."

Those alone would be a doozie for Romans.

>>2552343
>just now grasping that this is indeed a hypothetical
Yes, that's what the entire thread is about. A hypothetical situation of any army of the modern day vs that of Rome.
>implying the Roman military was incapable of invading faraway lands
>implying the question was "could Rome have fought off all its enemies in addition to a modern army"
>implying Gambia is even the worst example I could've chosen
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antigua_and_Barbuda_Defence_Force
The army of Antigua and Barbuda Defense Force boasts 170 members, with 75 in reserve. The point being that many sovereign states don't even have an actual military with which to fight or resist foreign powers.

>>2552385
>many sovereign states don't even have an actual military
So they are not part of a discussion concerning modern armies.

>>2552385

>Yes, that's what the entire thread is about. A hypothetical situation of any army of the modern day vs that of Rome.

Don't be fucking obtuse, we all know it's a hypothetical, the rules of the hypothetical says nothing about Romans fucking teleporting down there.

>implying the Roman military was incapable of invading faraway lands

There's "invading faraway lands" and there's "getting 450,000 men from every corner of your empire and marching them across a desert then through tropical rainforest". Attrition was a problem invading fucking Persia.

But yeah if we're going to take "The Roman military at its height teleported into some podunk island state's coast guard" then no shit.

>>2552394
No. They most certainly are. When I said "actual militaries" I meant "militaries that compose any sort of meaningful threat".

>>2552385
95 men with machine guns in well defensed positions could fuck the roman legions up the ass. They would have to human wave the positions which is a tactic the Romans never used historically and would essentially have to improv. All of their iron age tactics would be useless against any sort of modern battalion: do you really think lining up like a tortoise is going to save you from raining hot lead?

It's a pointless question. No army can gain success flung 2000 years into the future.

>>2552397
You mock me for saying "of course it's hypothetical", yet you go on to say it would be improbable for Rome to use its entire military to attack a tiny country. We know it's improbable. We know this hypothetical battle would involve some unrealistic shit happening. So pointing out how "the entire military from Egypt to Britain would attack the army all at once" as if it's a point against me is really, really fucking dumb.

>>2552415
>he thinks guns are magic wands that destroy everything they're pointed at
There are armies which literally do not have enough ammo to kill Rome's army. That's assuming every bullet that is fired is magically sent directly into the skull of a different Roman soldier.

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I know of one army that Rome would fucking steamroll.

>>2552424
>implying you need to kill literally everyone to force a rout

Go look up how African tribes fared up against people with 19th century machine guns and come back.

>b-b-but they're niggers

Still far closer in tech to Rome than Rome is to anything modern.

>>2552417

I wasn't mocking you, anon, I was suggesting you're a fucking asshole who suggested I wasn't aware it was a hypothetical when I merely provided two alternate hypothetical scenarios which would have different contexts.

Maybe don't be so thin skinned and take everything as an attack on you personally.

>>2552448
Okay, so how are they going to kill routing forces without shooting them? Run up and try to pistol whip a fucking centurion to death? If they got close enough to kill a Roman without using ammo, they'd get eciscerated.

>>2552455
I didn't take it personally, I pointed out that you were mocking me for pointing out that the question was, indeed hypothetical
>could Rome beat any current army?
>yeah there are current armies so small and poor that Rome would be able to beat them via attrition
>WELL YEAH BUT THAT WOULD BE LIKE A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION WHERE ALL OF ROME WAS FIGHTING A SMALL ARMY
>I know. That's what we're discussing.
>WOAH BRO WHY YOU MAD? I WAS JUST JOKING HAHA THIN SKIN MUCH?
Also, complaining about me being an "asshole" in the same post you're complaining about my "thin skin" is... Well, it's fucking stupid.

>go to sub-saharan africa
>pay off the token corrupted generals in the army at the targetted area
>slaughter the local wildlife and colonize the area
>tell the leftists in the west that they had to be killed for their modernity privilege
>buy equipment from muriga
>conquer the rest of Africa
>kill the rest of the wildlife
>colonize it
>possess vast amounts of materials
>actually have the genetical means to do something with it

Rome numbero uno now cunts

>>2552189
>And furthermore, I'd like to see what Romans would do against a technical. An LMG on the back of a truck would kill the shit out of them. Which really just points out the fact that Romans don't have trucks, or a vague idea of how to operate them.

a Technical with a machinegun is literally just a futuristic chariot with a repeating ballista on it.

>>2551341
How could they conquer us now? They couldn't even conquer us back when they where alive. Fucking Romans dream on.

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>>2551462
>F22
Would just be taken down with catapult or ballista (provided the roman cavalry had not already taken the airport naturally).
>APC and tank
Yeah no, the romans were master engineers. They would just be driving into pallisades and trenches before being taken out by well placed roman artillery barrages.
>US marines and army infantry
Guns rendered entirely useless by tetsudo formation, they would have no choice but to either surrender and fix bayonetts. And let's be frank, they would get wrecked in hand to hand with real soldiers like the roman legionnaires.

>>2552634

This is quality shitposting.

>>2552033

If you think one reinforced company (which the Swiss guard is) could beat the entire Roman army then you're a retard. Even hiding behind their walls it'd only be a matter of time.

>>2552104
>Italy
>people caring

Choose one and only one guido.

>>2552102
No, there's also a short story about the same premise from an American writer. It's not a unique idea.

>>2552650

The Swiss Guard have modern helicopters, they could slaughter the whole army at will.

>>2552501
>a futuristic chariot
Except it doesn't play by any of a chariots rules or a repeating ballista's rules.

You can't kill its horses, you can't scare its horses, you can't manipulate its horses into going down channels, and the damn ballista it carries swivels like a motherfucker and reloads both quickly and rarely.

>>2552650

You're a retard for thinking they wouldn't

>>2552424
>directly into the skull
You have never been shot before

It hurts.

You don't have to kill a soldier to take him out of action.

>>2552468

I was calling you an asshole for throwing the first stone with your pithy remark, and thought maybe it'd get your goat since you seem to think that saying "no shit I know it's hypothetical" is somehow mocking you. You can be an asshole as much as you like, but I'm still gonna call you an asshole when you say shit like
>just now grasping that this is indeed a hypothetical
then get butthurt when I go "no shit I realized that, you idiot"

Anyway, to reiterate: I was aware the whole time that this was a hypothetical scenario, which is why I said "in this hypothetical you are correct, Rome would win" and offered a counter hypothetical which, you should realize, I was well aware was still fucking hypothetical. You don't need to make up some greentext strawmen for what you wish I was saying instead of just quoting me.

Hypothetical scenarios don't need to be retardedly simplistic to still be hypothetical.

>>2549604
>Is there a army today that the ancient Romans could beat?
No

>>2552638
its actually absurdist humour.

>>2552859

I'm prepared to give it that compliment. It was a good post,

Africa is like, the most /k/ place on earth. Them legion boys wouldn't last a month.

>>2549604
the emu army that's occupying australia

>>2552276
I dated a girl for a year from Gambia her dad was a witch doctor.

>>2552650
Except a reinforced company probably could. It's a done deal if they get air support.

I don't think any of you people realize how much tech difference there is between Rome and the 21st century.

>>2549855
>Argentina
??????
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=argentina
How could Rome possibly win

>>2549604
War today is all micro skirmishes in the middle of ruined villages. What the fuck is a legion gonna do in that kind of environment?

>>2549604
North sentinelese

>>2553581

did she love you true?
did she love you nice?

>>2552650
Do you honestly think that Roman soldiers wouldn't flee from the Swiss guard after seeing countless of their fellow legionaries slaughtered by SMGs and other 21st century weapons?

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>>2552112
American lives are cheap. For every dead Cletus there's ten equally poor welfare bums back in the States to replace him. Romans are an endangered species and killing them will earn a quick response from their descendants in Turkey and Russia.

>>2552145
Try using your precious assault rifle when a burly Latin is screaming in your face and shoving a short sword into your neck.

>>2549851
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War

>>2554433
t. butthurt history major eurofag

>>2554433
>burly Latin
Fags were like 5 ft tall.

>>2554428
Roman discipline has not been surpassed even today.

>>2554452
>has not been surpassed even today
What makes you think that it hasn't been surpassed? Roman arimes haven't fought a lot of wars since 476 AD, you know.

>>2554443
Come on /k/uck, is your dick that microscopically small you need to hype up MUH GUNS on an anime discussion board?

>>2554446
Taller than your average American grunt brought up on a diet of beef hormones and carcinogenics.

>>2554428
Depends if they break out the whips or not. Romans were hard to crack, even situations like Carrhae didn't turn into complete routs until Crassus was killed.

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>>2554452

>>2554468
*gives kids Panzerfäuste because all your real soldiers have deserted or are burning """important""" documents because of papa hidler's autism*

>>2552015
the perfect war is the one where you can not lose

>>2554482

the allied victory would have been sweeter if they also captured the recipe to the triple reicher sandwich

it was the last act of defiance to deny them this exquisite pleasure

>>2554502
America should've dropped those nukes on Munich and Berlin.

>>2554533
>Nuke Russian soldiers at the height of Stalin's power
Would have been interesting

>>2553790
Seconding this.
I know we can't even control the fucking borders but, at least, we are still capable of killing a bunch of soldiers with knifes if we desire it.

>>2554541

would have been less than they deserved

>>2552304
How dare you

Do people seriously think soldiers from 476 and before could stand a chance against even 3rd world insurgents?

this is a stupid question everyone knows they stand no chance against modern armies.
The real question is what armies could they have beaten
could they for example beat the holy roman empire or byzantine

>>2554748
Didn't the HRE last a thousand years? Seems like you'd need to be a bit more specific before you could compare them to Imperial Rome.

>>2552189
>not realizing the AK-74 and the AKM are all just variants of the AK-47