Why did this small region produce 99% of human accomplishments?

>>2546480
good weather

>>2546499
nice meme

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>>2546480
because it includes Italy

>>2546510
https://niceme.me/

>>2546483
fpbp

>>2546483
It's just weather, climate and geographic conditions! Put a Bantu in the same place and he will become a scientist!

>>2546499
That's almost as bad as Islam.

Arabs made unprecedented advancements in math and science when Europeans were burning books in the dark ages. Back to the caves yakub

Institutionalized racism

>>2546521
good weather leads to more time for inventing leads to more inventions that progress humanity
it's a snowball effect really

>>2546480
But muh glorious nippon.

>>2546715
Why Jomon people invented ground stoneware?
Polishing a stone by the another stone to smoothen, it's so autistic.

>>2546480
>Not highlighting India and China
The former had more achievements than the entire middle east.

>>2546760
lol no

>>2546483
t. Jared Diamond

>>2546521
Bantus actually had iron before the Eurasians, kek. Stay mad cuckboi ;^)

>>2546480
Because its the dispersion range of the Jewish diaspora. Buy you can see the north American continent especially New York are joining in once the Jews emigrated there in the 19 century.

>>2546480
Greece and Rome

>>2546521
>>2546772

No one reads the fucking book.

>good weather

This is a new low even for materiashits.

>>2546504

this

>>2546480
that number wasn't just made up at random

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>>2546760
t. Pajeet Shidnastreet

Because a lot of people can fit in a small amount of land

>>2546480
Because it was one of the few places in the world that has had nearly 3000+ years of continual record keeping and chronicling.

>99% of human accomplishments
what about India and China

>>2548036
That's the 1%.

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>>2547943
>shidnastreet

>>2546483
nice meme

As someone living near the Franco-German border I can tell you from experience that I'd get more done if it wasn't so fucking cold here in winter.

>>2548086
Warm enough to provide a decent living, yet cold enough to force its inhabitants to actually have to work and innovate to survive.

>>2548042
nah, chariots came from the euasian steppes

>>2548369
>inventing chair with wheels
what a fucking accomplishment

"Here, lemme pull some baity bullshit out my ass real quick. Look, a map with dots and a percentage to boot."

t. OP

>>2548360
>muh Toynbee

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>>2546483
>The German maritime influenced climate characterized by warm summers and mild cloudy winters is why I'm not a winner.

>>2546480
it didn't

>>2548433
Those are objectively the 9 most relevant cities in history, and almost every significant human achievement in history is contained within that blue area.

>and exappropriated the rest

>>2546782
>Jews cause so much strife that they force everybody around them to develop faster to combat it
That actually makes some sense.

>>2546480
back to gradeschool, dipshit

>>2546480
Because they didn't. Much of the modern science Europe modernisized originated in Egypt prior the Alexander. From 'modern' philosophy to triggonometry, algebra, masonry, etc have their origins in Egypt and Mesopotamia made the same discoveries individually. Don't believe me? Hit op the Greek sages, like Thales and Pythagoras whom all studied in and under Egyptians.

>>2546782
The Ashkenazi population was extremely small until the past few centuries, before that Jews were largely concentrated in Muslim regions.

>>2548393
This technological advancement was what made Mesopotamia as big as it was friend. It made conquer Egypt, India, hold their own against Alexander and more. Without it, the middle east and possibly the world would be speaking Egyptian.

>>2550480
"originated".
yea sure, but then again ALL inventions are simply combining old ideas or transforming them slightly.

>>2548916
What's yer bloody issue mate? Toynbee master race

>>2550480
But Egypt and Mesopotamia are included in the blue shaded region

>>2550223
>The poor soils due to exesive rainfall and tropical diseases are why I am not a winner.

>>2550303
>Printing
>Gunpowder
>Stir-ups

We wouldn't be shit without the Chinese

>>2550522
He's the pleb man's Spengler.

>>2550542
Printing was invented in Strasbourg, gunpowder just made the world shittier, and what the fuck is a stir-up, some kind of fitness exercise?

>>2550542
>m-muh gunpowder

ching-chong please

>>2550480
Are you blind or just incredibly shit at geography?

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Not sure.

>>2550542
FUCK OFF CHINK
ching chong ding dong

>>2546480

well I guessed your not located on one of that location, because if you are, then you will know.

>>2550759

a retard butthurt of the truth because their civilization just steal from others.. and claim they created them, haha fuck you

>>2550507
Well in this case we haven't been able to go further back than the Egyptians so you might very well be wrong

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>>2546480
>

>>2552345
How does that contradict OP?

>>2548042
this

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>>2552345
>modern Western historians trying to track figures from the ancient world when we don't have enough records of that period
>lack of knowledge probably applies to Chinese, Indian and Islamic figures as well

>>2546480
How did they produce 99% of human "accomplishments" when there have been more human "accomplishments" in the last couple of centuries than there have been in the entire known history of humanity?

Honest question.

>>2552947
But all of those are also from that region.

>>2546480
Resources, civilization, manpower, acknowledgment in the importance of culture, colonialism, warfare and most of all the will to dominate and progress.

>>2552957
>resources

>>2552954
ummm......what?

Seriously, what do you mean? Are you saying the middle east has been a driver in the exponential expansion of human knowledge that occurred in the last couple of centuries?

Source?

>>2552965
Sorry, just looked at your map again.

Carry on.

>>2552947
>>2552965
Islamic Golden Age, faggot. Middle East only turned to shit after the Mongol invasions.

>>2552345
>significant figures
Entirely subjective, the dude who made the toaster changed the ease of making toast for millions of people, is he significant?

>>2552972
>islamic golden age
>last 200 years

who's the faggot?

>>2550577
>what the fuck is a stirrup
Get off this board asap.

Numbers, the single most important contribution to human culture came from India. Even if we disregard every other contribution India and China have made it makes your opening statement a non starter.

>>2550503
Elaborate? What technology did the Egyptians have before the chariots?

>>2552972
Turks really do ruin everything.

>>2546480
You forgot to label Aachen.

>>2546521
Well how would you know if the Bantus could or not. We can't say since it didn't occur.

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>>2546483
no

>>2546519
NO

>>2546480
>>2546480
>99 %
Where the fuck do you guys come up with this numbers.
Why is China not included on your map?

>>2550577
>>2550577
Printing process can be found in China.
>stir-ups
Holy fuck, get out

>>2546544
>he still believes the in the dark ages meme

El oh el

>>2555222
>one guy's favourite hangout for a couple of years
>relevant

>>2553578
He didn't talk about stirrups (which aren't Chinese either) but about something called stir-ups. Maybe it's some kind of twisty sit-up, better ask /v/.

>>2553618
Every culture had numbers Pajeet.

>>2552904
Well we have tracked chinese history to Yao. The history of the people of the indus valley is lost, because we still aren't able to decipher their books and the Africans didn't wrote any. Idlamic history is very recent, 600AD and well documented, so i'm not sure who you're referring to. Perhaps you meant Arab history, but weren't the Arabs part of the Mesopotamian empire?

>>2552972
Or after Al Ghazali declared war on science and anything else related to greek philosophy as it turned people away from God.

>>2555274
For the same reason South America and Subsaharan Africa aren't included, because it's basically irrelevant.

>>2546480
>>2546480
Increased competition between small but powerful nation states effectively acted as a eugenics program, forging Europeans (and their colonial offspring) into a superior people. Effectively, war, culture and eugenics (which also explains why the Asians came 2nd in the historical race).

>>2553645
All the Greek sages received their knowledge in Egypt. The chariot, which os an technologocal advancement was what made the Mesopotamians conquer as much as they did, that and iron. But your question is actually irrelevant to my statement. The Egypt produced knowledge. With technology i was referring to the Meso's.

>>2555645
Charlemagne was the most significant European figure between the fall of Rome and Constantinople, not just some guy.

>>2555680
Should we also add Ajaccio because that's where Napoleon was born?

Bitch please, the cities in the map are more relevant than any one man.

>>2555274
>>2550542
>>2548036
>>2546760
Name one Chinese city on the level of the cities on that map.

>>2555712
Singapore.

>>2555719
I can't even tell if it's meant as a joke.

>>2546480
Where's USA Japan and NZ?
They did heaps of accomplishments

>>2546480
Racial superiority

>>2546480
You forgot India and China.

Chinese made small random inventions like paper, gunpowder.

The Indians did mathematical progress though the Mesopotamians were much much more advanced id say

>>2556032
That's the 1%

>>2546480

muh giraffes ooga booga

>>2556024
Japan and New Zealand, seriously?

>>2555259
Not him but there is a disparity in accomplishments even now, even caeteris paribus, those of European/Germanic descent accomplish more.

>>2552972
Name me some of the great Islamic breakthroughs, the IGA is a meme.

>>2550542
lol

its funny that China has all these great inventions but none were efficient until Europeans made them better

>>2546521
No because evolution genetically changed different races according the climate they've been living in
Now some races are genetically inferior, that's why raising an african in a Western country won't make him equal to whitey

>>2558172
Still inventions that were exported.

>>2555660
Dude Ghazali didnt have anything to do with it, he was a critic and wanted to seperate philosophy from science, he was a philosopher himself. Anyway Islamic advancments stayed 200 years after him. The reason for what happend are the suljoks and instability in the empire. Also Ottomans came and set arabs back for 400 years , then egypt and iraq were good last century, unil 70s atleast then all got screwd .

>>2558136
t. Donald Butthurt

>>2558172
>all these great inventions
It's literally just gunpowder.

Gunpowder, the single achievement of an entire civilisation. It's peanut butter tier.

>>2550542
Gutenburg's printing press was a parallel invention, Chang. Go back to getting crushed in an escalator.

>>2552992
Yes he is, unless you think toast is not important, in which case you can kill yourself.

>>2558557
>>2558591
>crossbow
>paper
>compass
>silk
Faggot shitposters.

>>2548036
How are shitting streets and cemetery rivers considered achievements?

>>2558652
> year of our lord 2016+1
>people still don't know how to use the internet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Indian+achievements

I think that it's quite simple, a large concentration of top-tier land, with fertile conditions, which allowed for a big population, and thus caused a lot of competition in that concentration of good land. The competition in that area accelerated development, in much the same way that the world wars accelerated technological innovations. Contrast this with Africa, theres so much land if you don't like your neighbours you can just go elsewhere. Europe is the place to be, if you leave Europe you're going someplace worse, with tougher conditions.

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>>2558714
>a big population
And yet the vast majority of human population is concentrated in irrelevant shitholes.

Historical materialism faggotry gets rekt as always.

>>2558624
Superior versions of the crossbow and compass were invented in the West independently, as well as parchment, and silk is produced by insects (although the confusion with chinks is easy), that's like saying Native Americans invented tomato sauce.

>>2558971
>independently

sure.

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>>2546533

>used to think China invented lots of things
>all the constant chink butthurt on /his/ made me start looking it up
>turns out they literally only invented gunpowder

fucking kek

>>2546480

High genetically-determined intelligence.

Relatively small area with lots of navigable water, but also broken up by lots of rough and complex terrain features - this encouraged the development of a mass of small societies trading and fighting with each other, thereby experimenting a lot, rather than of big monolithic empires that would fixate on one approach to existence and stagnate.

Temperate climate, not too cold or too hot. Weather just rough enough to force people to innovate, but not so rough as to force them to spend all their energy fighting the elements.

This map gives me feels of how cozy the Mediterranean region could still be today if Islam and Arab niggers hadn't ruined half of it.

Just imagine we could be master race bros with Anatolians and Levantines, Mesopotamians and Copts.

That's not the United States of America

>>2558967
historical political correctness BTFO

>>2558971
Olmecs invented the compass

I hate how people always ignore Eastern accomplishments, like those of India or China.
For example, China alone made more things than all of the European countries combined, the only difference is that China did not "spread" those things, they usually kept them to themselves. In the rare cases that Chinese inventions, discoveries, culture, etc., spread from their home country, they usually take over the entire world with relative ease, like how noodles are a food eaten everywhere with so many variations, or how gunpowder has always been used as the mechanism behind firearms.

>>2562330
Noodles weren't invented by chinks, they were invented by Greeks or arabs.
And, no, China did not invent more than all of Europe combined, though, up to the industrial revolution, they were probably the country with the total largest amount of inventions.

>>2562214
/pol/

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>>2560725
Read it and weep

>>2555712
Kaifeng
Chang'An
Luoyang
Hangzhou
Etc
There are a dozen more, search it up.

>>2546544
Arabs were wiping their ass with their left hand just like everyone else.

Algebra wasnt a big deal

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>>2550480
Thales was a Phoenician

>The current historical consensus is that Thales was born in the city of Miletus around the mid 620s BC from Phoenician parents, although some historians say he was a Phoenician who emigrated to Miletus with his parents.[6]

>>2560725
>chinks accidently invents something
>don't know how to use it
>superior aryan ubermench improves it

every time

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>>2546480
>99% of human accomplishments
i should slap you for being this stupid

>>2555259
We certainly shouldn't ever speculate on anything should we anon. Heavens no.

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>>2555297
chinese printing

>>2562524
Better quality?

>>2562499

So you post an Egyptian picture to prove that the area OP highlighted didn't produce everything of worth? Are you retarded, or just stupid?

>>2562614
>>2555297
>>2562524

The printing press is ancient, the achievement of Gutenberg et al was in movable type, which allowed for massively more books to be printed since it was so easy to retool the press. The Chinese, of course, DIDN'T invent movable type, since their writing system is unsuitable for it.

>>2562330
China, despite being an entire 3000 year old civilisation of 1.5 billion people, achieved not even a tiny fraction of what any given single tiny West European country did in just 500 years, without even taking into account China's total lack of influence.

>>2562382
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA thanks for proving my point by posting those literally who names that nobody ever heard of.

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>>2546521
Yes? Put a black person in the godforsaken frozen over hell-hole known as Finland and even he will becomes depressed enough to blame everything on jews.

>>2562736
Not that guy, but he's right. Anybody who's familiar with the Song dynasty will have heard of Kaifeng and Hangzhou, both of which were very important cities for a long time. And if you don't know anything about the Song dynasty or why it was important and remarkable then you have no business trying to talk about this at all. Your extreme ignorance is only evidence of, well, your ignorance. Not China's irrelevance.

Of course you're less familiar with them; they belong(ed) to a completely different civilization than the one you belong to.

It didn't, and 'accomplishments' is horribly vague.
>>2546544
>math
>science
Irrelevant.
>>2555660
It does, numsman.

>>2562382
OK now can you name a world-changing advancement produced by each of those cities?

>>2546480
It's pretty amazing.

Remove any part of that region from history, and our world today would be completely unrecognizable.
Remove anything outside that region, and nothing much would be different.

>>2562751
>they belong(ed) to a completely different civilization than the one you belong to.
So did Memphis, Babylon, Athens, Alexandria, Rome, Jerusalem, and Constantinople, but we still all know about them.

But maybe China is for some reason unjustly unknown, in that case can you answer this: >>2562803?

>>2557852
>Japan
Technological powerhouse before the economy crashed.
Some of the best art in human history (you literally cannot deny this)
Despite being a tiny island nation, it can vary from ultramodern urban cities to somewhat traditional rural towns, shrines, and so on.

>>2548086

It used to be colder. Caesar's Gallic wars describes seeing a reindeer.

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>>2562837
I want weebs to hasten natural selection and kill themselves.

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>>2562922
>Western art

>>2562813
All those cities either belonged to western civilization or hovered on its peripheries. Babylon's the least western of all of them, and in its later years even it had plenty of interaction with e.g. the Hellenic world. Mesopotamian history is taught in most schools as though Mesopotamia had directly given birth to our civilization, so it's not surprising he's familiar with it.

>>2562803
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/song-dynasty.html
It's not the best article, and yes, it fellates China a little too hard, but it's a decent summary. To quote the first sentence:
>Printing, paper money, porcelain, tea, restaurants, gunpowder, the compass
To this I might add the blast furnace, piston bellows, the drydock, movable type printing (despite what this guy wrote >>2562653), the odometer, quite a few advancements in astronomy and navigation, mechanical clocks, and literally dozens of other more minor but still notable inventions and innovations. I haven't touched art or literature or societal advancements or pure science at all.

Honestly, the whole list is unnecessary; just gunpowder and their steel industry alone is enough to establish the region and period as more than notable.

No, I can't link those inventions with Kaifeng or Hangzhou specifically, nor do I think that I have to in order to make my point here, although I'm sure some of them occurred there as they were very large urban centers.

It is generally accepted that the Song dynasty was the closest any part of the world came to industrializing prior to 1800, & it could plausibly have happened w/out several Manchurian invasions (tho of course it was no certainty).

And let's be clear, I am not trying to establish this period or region as ** THE MOST IMPORTANT IN HUMAN HISTORY !!! ** -- but insisting that it was "irrelevant" is pretty fucking stupid, unless you have something emotional invested in China's irrelevancy, which, given the tone of the first poster I responded to, I suspect some of you do.

>>2562922

WHY DO I KEEP READING NETHERLANDS AS NEANDERTHALS

Also, it's pretty dumb to act like China had no influence on anything outside its borders unless you're

1. Discounting the fact that China is a HUGE FUCKING COUNTRY and much of what we today consider to be "China" used to emphatically be NOT CHINA;
2. Discounting Japan, Korea, Mongolia, and much of SE Asia, i.e. the rather sizable chunk of present-day NotChina that was very heavily influenced by China.

And again, I'm not in lurrrve with China or anything. I'm also not in lurrrve with northern India or Persia -- kinda don't give a shit about them, actually -- but it's stupid to call those regions "irrelevant." I mean, seriously, fucking Persia is irrelevant now?

Interestingly, if you extend that curve across Eurasia so that it forms a big smile shape and terminates somewhere around Korea or Japan, you actually do have a reasonable "relevant region" that gave birth to most human accomplishments (dunno about 99% though). Still small relative to the whole map, though less conducive to wanking.

>>2562964
>All those cities either belonged to western civilization
lol no, only Rome did and by then it was a ruin.

>just gunpowder and their steel industry alone is enough to establish the region and period as more than notable.
I think criteria for inclusion is a little more than just notable. That blue region in the map is about the same land size as China but with a much smaller population, so comparing the enormous amount of achievements that came from there with "gunpowder" should make it obvious how massive the gap between them is.

>I can't link those inventions with Kaifeng or Hangzhou specifically, nor do I think that I have to in order to make my point here
You kind of do, that map is based on a selection of the most important cities in history. If you can't show how any of those Chinese cities are important you can't complain about them not being included.

>it could plausibly have happened
could've would've should've

>>2562375
Chinese printing was shit compared to the press in mainz, Germany.
Porcelain was a commercial good, and the compass was massively improved by Europeans in later centuries.
Also:
>guns
>rudimentary sticks with a bit of powder that goes poof
The Chinese invent something, then Europeans make it not shit

>>2563033
The map is about showing an imbalance. Of course you could extend it all the way to Japan to get to 99.8% of human achievements instead of 99% (as a rough estimate). But a map showing that a small region of about 400 million people made 99% of human achievements is more impressive than a map showing that a four times larger region of about 5 billion people made 99.8% of human achievements, which is frankly not all that surprising.

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Whites btfo. How can they recover?

>>2562922
The Japanese art is better, and it's cheap. There's a lot more to it than that.

Realism and symbolism is dull

>>2563060
Really, now.

Athens, Alexandria and Constantinople did not belong to western civilization? For fuck's sake, Athens gave BIRTH to western civilization. Jerusalem wasn't a part of "western civilization" but it sure as fuck became significant to it. Memphis and Babylon are the only thoroughly non-western cities and Egyptian and Babylonian history are much, much more widely taught and studied in the west than Asian history.

>I think criteria for inclusion is a little more than just notable. That blue region in the map is about the same land size as China but with a much smaller population
>comparing the enormous amount of achievements that came from there with "gunpowder" should make it obvious how massive the gap between them is.
First, understand that China's population boom(s) came later. It was quite populous at this point, but nothing like today (not even proportionally to Europe, though of course it depends on what century we're talking about). And that crescent on the map is about as big as China is *today*; the Song dynasty was rather smaller. You need to stop conflating modern China :: medieval China.

Second, that was a non-exhaustive list of achievements from *one* dynasty, and it included one of the most important inventions in human history. My point is not that [pick one: China|Persia|Japan|Northern India] produced as many accomplishments as the crescent on the map did -- and I wouldn't really expect any of them to, given the cultural diversity and vast timescale represented there ... from Babylon all the way to London, jeez. My point is that
>Why did this small region produce 99% of human accomplishments?
is ridiculous hyperbole.

>>2562805
>remove the U.S.A.
>computer is lost
>world still recognizable

>>2563060
>You kind of do, that map is based on a selection of the most important cities in history. If you can't show how any of those Chinese cities are important you can't complain about them not being included.
Just can't be assed. Shockingly, it is harder to find English-language sources on where Asian inventions were discovered than western ones (gosh, I wonder if the opposite would be true in Asia). I could trivially scribble out the region where all those things were invented in MS Paint. I don't really consider the fact that it's time consuming to find sources on the nitty gritty details to be a crushing blow here.

>>2563085
I don't even disagree that there's an imbalance. But your numbers, as I said, are ridiculous hyperbole. It is an overreach.

>>2563184
Weebness really is a mental disease

>>2563285
Stop beign autistic

>>2563207
>Athens gave BIRTH to western civilization
>hurf durf durr hurrrrr

>>2563226
There are no historically globally relevant Chinese cities, hence no Chinese cities are included on that map. The end.

And I didn't even make that map or anything.

>>2563289
He's has a good a point though.

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>>2563207
>Athens gave BIRTH to western civilization.

*tips laurels*

>>2550705
>tfw to intelligent to develop a successful civilization

>>2563211
Dude the computer is a French/British/German invention.

>>2546480
inb4 butthurt chinkaboos

>>2562805
This

>>2562805
>tfw this is true

What do we even need the rest of the world for

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>>2563672
>le France created Western civilization meme

*tips beret*

>>2562805
India and China had huge impacts on global trade throughout all of human history.

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>>2546480
...and why is it so stupid compared to asia?

>>2567357
iq test meassures how well you are at pulling a leaver which doesnt mean as much in post industrialised first world nations like the west

china however....

>>2567357
like.. look at a couple of other generic as fuck indicators rather then this autistic meme shit like gdp per capita, oly metals per capita etc

>>2562449
The source you quote even says he was born in Milteus. Fuck you.

>>2567357
that graph is literal autism. it doesn't even give a source.

>>2546480
>Constantinople
Why do people do this? Not even memeing but it's the current year.

Do you refer to New York as Manahata as well?

>>2567586
Constantinople was relevant as Constantinople, not as Istambul. Same reason it says "Memphis" and not "Cairo", or "Babylon" and not "empty patch of desert".

>>2567329
But that's correct

>>2562736
You need to go back to /pol/ crossposter lmao

>>2562382
I can't even confirm if they are real cities or not.

>>2569018
kek, this

>>2546544
>dark ages
lmao desu senpai
Please read a fucking book on the Middle Ages

>>2562774
>math
>science
>irrelevant

just because you can't comprehend something doesn't mean it is irrelevant you goddamn nigger.