Who is the undisputed shittiest leader in history?

Pharaoh.

God sent 10 plagues, each one insulting a particular Egyptian deity.

He still did not want to let the Israelites go.

>>2546429
What a shitty list breaking the 25 year rule.

>>2546429
God I hate this picture, Alcibiades didn't destroy Athens, the retards who got him exiled twice did. He would've saved Athens if he never got the boot.

>destroyed their country-tier
Wow, literally victim-blaming the post

>>2546429
Did Alcibiades really do anything really wrong? He tried to help the the Athenians just fucked him over, so he went to Sparta, who kicked him out. Then he went to his private fortress and tried to help Athens again.

I wouldn't say Philip IV of Spain was a disatrous king all things considered. Ferdinand VII was worse, for instance.

I doubt that you can attribute failure of a country to the leader alone

Politics isn't done in isolation you know?

Why is there a debate?

We all know the answer is Hitler.

>>2546429
Dude Carlos II ended the famine and increased the value of the peso. he was far from being a bad leader.

>>2547059
reddit the post

>>2546429
Elagabalus didn't destroy anything but his dignity. Sure he was a retarded tranny sodomite but his political legacy is non-existent, Rome managed to survive for 1200 more years.

>>2546464
>>2546484
the guy who made this was probably a spartan salty about getting cucked

>>2547088

How can you reddit a post?

>>2546429
You should add David fucking Cameron to the top tier. Pig fucker laid the ground for the balkanisation of Britain and then scuttled away like the toffee nosed, snidey little cunt he is.

>>2547091
>trusting the imperial history

Elagabalus was most likely just a scrub who got BTFO'd early by the army and branded as a tranny by the scribes looking for post-hoc justification for his usurpation.

I mean seriously. He was 14 when he took the throne and controlled by his mum. The chances he was just a dumb kid who fucked up and got merc'd far outweigh the chances he was this super degenerate tranny who fucked everything with legs and hosted wild parties that suffocated the goers with pedals (i don't even think that's physically possible - someone revive the Mythbusters).

Both left and right use a lot of confirmation bias when dealing with Elagabalus. There were plenty of dumb emperors in the Crisis who get far less attn...

>>2547116
>balkanization of britain
>bad in any way

Philippe Pétain

Angela Merkel, without any irony in this post.

>>2547131

All you had to do was shake her hand, Donald.

>>2546429
King Milan was a bad leader, the biggest asshole, and the most based man to lead Serbia.
He was a shit father, and his son is in my humble opinion the worst ruler in Serbian history. I swear, his son would certainly be an avid /r9k/ poster if he were born today. He orchestrated 3 coups to expand his power (first time he proclaimed himself ruler when he was 14 with his regents at gunpoint). He brought down 14 governments in 10 years.
He called back his dad and appointed him commander in chief. Later he kicked his dad out again.
When he called back his dad, he tried to deport his mom.
He married his mom's lady in waiting.
And he was eventually killed by the black hand.

I don't think Uros V deserves to be in this pic. He literally dindu nuffin, his regent is responsible for the memetic battle that Turks like to shove when anyone mentions Serbia.
If that's relevant.

>>2546429
>Alexander III
>disaster tier
More like exactly the opposite. He was possibly the best tzar Russia had since Peter I and to put him on the same list as fucking Merkel and Ceausescu is nothing short of a pure retardation. Whoever made that image was either baiting or actually stupid.

>>2546482
You're just mad Hitler was there, I can tell

But given he was a dumb cuck who destroyed his own country it's approrpiate

>>2546429
i get lbj but what did jimmy carter do wrong again?

>>2546429
theres a lot of bias in here dood

>>2546429
Callaghan was good.

>>2547277

He ran a fiscally stable country and didn't run a large deficit, Republicans hate that.

>>2547275
Nah, it was Bashar that put me over the edge.

>>2546429
>Merkel
>Hollande
>Disaster-tier

This chart looks like a collaboration between pol and leftypol. I wouldn't mind to see them in the stupid tier but this has to be trolling.

>>2547328
pretty much my thought

What the hell is so bad about Merkel?

>>2546429
In what way was Alexander III disaster-tier? He didn't get in any frivolous wars, signed the treaty with France, helped destroy the Ottoman presence in the Balkans, and strengthened the Russian system.

Literally all he did wrong was die early.

>>2547388
>signed the treaty with France, helped destroy the Ottoman presence in the Balkans
ding ding

>>2547354
Deserves in the trash, surely, she hardly has the best interest of the german people at heart, and doesn't know what she's doing half the time. I wouldn't initially say she deserves to be on such a high tier, but considering how she seems to be ruling indefinitely, she's definitely getting there.

>>2547404
This is all I ever hear about Merkel
>Whys Merkel bad?
>Because shes the worst
Tell me something useful.
Although the whole ruling indefinitely thing is a good start.

>>2546429
>ALcibiades
>leader of Athens

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh....

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Kaiser Wilhelm II easily
>Running German Empire
>Fires guy who made the empire
>Uses chemical weapons
>Doesn't listen to his generals
>Invades through Belgium
>[Ring Ring]

>>2547116
Blair laid the foundations for that with devolution.

>>2546429
Tony Blair, if we consider him as leader of the Labour party instead of leader of his country.
(Though even as leader of the country, he's one of the shittiest leaders we've ever had. Nearly everything positive under him happened as a result of international conditions, and he's only remotely positively remembered because he left Gordon Brown standing when the music stopped.)

>>2547277
Fucked up Iranian hostage crisis. He was generally just a lame duck

>>2547822
He has kids named after him, so there's that

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>>2546429
REMOVE WILLY N O W

>>2547158
He undid all the reforms of Alexandr Ii which guaranteed the monarchy would be overthrown

>>2547328
No way pol would accept hitter on the list st all, no way would lefty pol put Mao on the list

This was probably made by a neo conservative. The targeting of fascists, communists, Islamists, a western leftists simultaneously would indicate it

>>2546429
DRUMPF

>>2547971
>Alexander II
You mean the dumb cuck who got assassinated as a reward for his "reforms"?

>Alexander II and Nicholas II act like benevolent beta faggots
>both end up killed

>Alexander III goes hardline reactionary
>most peaceful period in the history of Russian monarchy

Gee it's like there is pattern.

>>2546429
How Francis II fucked up Austria?

>>2547398
Both of those things were sensible and produced favorable outcomes for Russia at the time. You can't fault someone for not seeing beyond the grave.

>>2547398
t. Mehmet Balkanoglu

>>2547398
Either
t.Count Freidhelm von Junkerbund
or
t.Ahemet Roachgu

>>2547127
>Elagabalus was most likely just a scrub who got BTFO'd early by the army and branded as a tranny by the scribes looking for post-hoc justification for his usurpation.
While I'm sure that there is exaggeration involved, none of the other emperors who got overthrown had such things written about them. Basically only Calligula is portrayed as being anywhere near as insane.

Even a guy like Domitian, who the senators absolutely hated, didn't get stuff half as crazy written about him.

>>2546429
Spanish kings are so wrong in that list, Charles II and Phillip IV dindu nuffin in comparison with Charles IV and Ferdinand VII

I'm not a fan of Castro at all but he didn't fuck Cuba up really. The country already had a dictator anyway and the US isolating the island didn't help

>>2546429

Jimmy and Barack but no Herbert wtf.

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>Alexander the 3rd
He was a strict man who ruled the country with a iron fist. As a result, his reign was the most peaceful period in Russia's history.
>Lenin
How is he a disaster? He set up a new country that was better than the Russian Empire in every way possible.
>Ivan the 4th
Yes, he did some horrible things towards the end of his reign. However, he also did a lot of great things. Kazan and Astrakhan were conquered. Russia's first regular army regiment, the Streltsy, were created(pic related). First Russian settlements in Siberia were founded under Ivan's rule. He may not be great but he is not a disaster either.

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>>2546429
DONT TALK SHIT ABOUT GADAFI ILL FUCK YOU UP

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>>2546429
Merkel
>dude just let the muslims in lmao

>>2546440
He did but god made him change his mind. Says so in the OT

>>2546429
Justin Trudeau.

>>2546429
>Hollande on the same tier as Chavez
>No Maduro or Mugabe in sight
>Obama there but no Dubya
What a bullshit list.

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>>2548457
What a spectacular scene

>>2548503
Oh wait, I found Mugabe.

Still, the rest stands unless I'm even blinder than I thought.

>>2546429
>napoleon III on this list at all
>worse than fucking Wilhelm
What a garbage list.

>>2548137
>Charles IV
But his only wrongdoing was not aborting his son.

>>2548537
>Implying that the guy that was too busy hunting to govern his own damn country and gave power to a politically illiterate soldier (Godoy) because he was his wifes lover didn't do anything wrong.

>>2547832
wasn't that a conspiracy thou. wasn't victor casey in paris making a deal to keep that hostage situation going to get carter to look back

>>2548587
Charles IV wanted to create equal kingdoms in the colonies, turning the Empire into what would have been a much more estable union of autonomous kingdoms, and he also founded a humanitarian expedition to spread the smallpox vaccine across the New World and the East Indies. His ideas probably didn't mix well with the people in power, making him an inneffectual ruler.

He was ahead of his time.

>>2546429
>Stalin nowhere to be found
JUST FUCK MY LIST UP SENPAI

>>2548645
are you implying he was a bad leader?

>>2546429
>Alcibiades
>Napoleon III
>Ivan IV
>Carlos II, a literal retard
>Merkel
>Nasser
>Fredrick II
>Obama
>Tokugawa Iesada
>Pausanius
>Jimmy Carter
None of these should be on this list for one reason or another

>>2546440
>pharaoh
which one faggot? oh you mean the one your ancestors made up?

>muh crossing of the sinai and 40years roaming
>no archeological sites of non-porking eating settlers ever found in this region
Really exiles my esau

>>2548628
He had some nice ideas, but as a ruler of Spain he was awfull. He couldn't care less about his obligations, he just did what his wife told him instead of considering what should be done to improve his country.

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>>2548683
m-maybe...

>>2546429
I'm not sure you could really call Putin stupid. Nefarious maybe, but has he really made any big fuckups? It seems to me he's accomplishing exactly what he intends to.

Add Aurangzeb to the destroyed their country tier.

Fundamentalist muslim who emptied the mughal treasuries against the Marathas for a bit of the Deccan coast. If the fucker wasn't so idiotic, maybe the british would never have been able to colonize India.

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>>2547354
One problem I have is her initially allowing as many immigrants as wanted to come and settle in Germany. There's nothing wrong with immigration, when done with planning and patience. But bringing in millions of asylum seekers without consulting your populace or performing rigorous security checks is a great way to stoke ethnic conflcit, which is why you see autists walking around Germany in teuton and hospitaller surcoats calling for another crusade.

There's other shit too but this board is meant for historical discussion, not current events, so I'll shut up and just call myself a faggot

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>>2548007
Nicholas II was not a benevolent beta faggot like Alexander II. He wanted to be like Alexander III, but he lacked the ability. Which is why Alexander III rolling back on his father's reforms was a mistake. Absolutism isn't sustainable since it offers no guarantee that the ruler is competent.

>>2547764
>Willy Two
>bad

rules country successfully for 26 years
>fires Bismark
because of Bismark's ridiculously alienating kulturkampf that pissed off half the empire for no reason other than "muh Lic bogeyman"
>uses chemical weapons
neat, so did everyone else
>Didn't listen to generals
Listening to generals WAS his problem he only listened to the generals.
>Invades through Belgium
>implying this is bad

Gordon Brown

>>2547764
Dumb bismarckboo listing all this stupid shit
Wilhelm II's single biggest failure was his foreign policy where he brought Russia, France and the UK together.

>>2546429
>Obama
>Putin
>Erdogan
>Gaddafi
What happened to the 25 years rule?

>>2547088
I mean.. he was pretty bad.

>>2550014
>pretty bad
>undisputed shittiest leader in history

>>2550016
Thats what i was trying to imply, well sort of.

Varus

>>2546429
>Lenin
>Disaster
>Putin
>Stupid

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>>2546429
>Ivan IV & Lenin
>disaster tier
Ivan literally started the empire and Lenin started to modernize Russia and got rid off serfdom (for real unlike the tzar)
>Castro
Improved Cuba a hell of alot more then US puppets like Batista
>putin
>stupid tier
probably the most intelligent world leader right now
>Gaddafi
did a lot of retarded hit diplomatically but he was arguably the best leader africa and the arab world has had in decades.

>>2550109
>hit
*shit

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add this asshole as disaster tier for Sweden

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>Stalin is nowhere on the list

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>>2550123
>turns an agrarian third world shithole into a nuclear and spacefaring superpower
>bad

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>>2550129
>Kills milions of people
>Starves half of the country to death
>Enforces communism in neighbour countries
>Fucks up half of Europe

>>2550165
>Starves half of the country to death
>half of the country
source?

>>2546429
>Idi Amin
>Not His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular
You disgust me

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Do African dictatorships count?

If so Nguema takes the cake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Macías_Nguema

>During Macías Nguema's regime, the country had neither a development plan nor an accounting system for government funds. After killing the governor of the Central Bank, he carried everything that remained in the national treasury to his house in a rural village.[2] On Christmas Eve of 1975 he ordered about 150 of his opponents killed. Soldiers dressed in Santa Claus outfits executed them by shooting at the football stadium in Malabo, while amplifiers were playing Mary Hopkin's "Those Were the Days".

>Macías Nguema was the centre of an extreme cult of personality, perhaps fueled by his consumption of copious amounts of bhang[2] and iboga,[1] and assigned himself titles such as the "Unique Miracle" and "Grand Master of Education, Science, and Culture".

>The president's paranoid actions included killing all who wore spectacles,[5] banning use of the word "intellectual" and destroying boats to stop his people fleeing from his rule[1] (fishing was banned).[6] The only road out of the country on the mainland was also mined.

>By the end of his rule, nearly all of the country's educated class was either executed or forced into exile—a brain drain from which the country has never recovered. He also killed two-thirds of the legislature and 10 of his original ministers.

>>2550114
Du överdriver

>>2549563
Guy has a point. There's a line where guilt becomes self-flagellation, and Germans just crossed the line on a Ferrari.

>>2546429

This list is complete ass.

I voted against Merkel in every election, but she certainly is a good chancellor.

Gotta love how LBJ & Carter are on the list yet Ronald "biggest debt in the history of the US" Reagan isn't.

Trickle down my ass. Literally.

>>2546429
>Bashar
>Napoleon II
>Ivan
>Hollande
>Cleopatra
>Nasser
>Obama
>Trudeau
>Lyndon Johnsson
>Gaddafi
>Putin

>Bad

Kill yourself immediately OP

>>2546429
Carlos II of Spain actually did a good job.
Only trouble came after he died. Him being mentally and physically retarded is irrelevant to his leadership, which was fine.

Also Nicholas II wasn't at fault for what happened to the Russian Empire. It would've happened with any Tsar.

Glad to see Obama under "Fucked up their country-tier"
>Racism is basically a non-issue
>Obama comes in
>EVERYONE CRY FOR THIS CRIMINAL BECAUSE HE'S BLACK
>Racism is now a major issue

Add Abraham Lincoln to Destroyed their country-tier, as he destroyed all values held by the founding fathers and basically ruined the constitution, setting the stage for monsters like Woodrow Wilson to fuck it up even further.

>>2550217
>Ukraine
>Hladomor
?

>>2550235
>Obama
>Trudeau
>Ivan
>Not bad
Niddily neck yourself my dude.

>>2547328

Agreed. This list is just fucking retarded.

>>2550244
>Obama
>Has done nothing of note whatsoever

>Trudeau
>Universally loved

>Ivan
>Turned Muscovy from 'literally who' to Russia

>>2550255
>Obama
>Has worsened race relations in the country to a point comparable to the '60s, when it was fine before he entered office
>Doubled National debt

>Trudeau
>Let his country burn in a forest fire while he had a mental breakdown on social media because he wouldn't let White people put out the fire

>Ivan
>Eh, true.

>>2546429
It's been said before, but Jim Callaghan and Carter really don't belong on the list. (Carter does moreso than Callaghan, since he was more unconventional and much more associated with the modern problems of the US - lest we forget it was him who started the process of deregulating banking.)

About the stupidest thing Callaghan did was fail to call an election in 1978 (thus annoying his liberal-party partners and staggering onward to the embarrassing confidence vote, and the severely overstated "winter of discontent"), or we want to get technical, standing for the leadership of the party at all. (Because both Carter/Callaghan came to power at the worst possible time, while the economy was still reeling from the energy crisis and the collapse of Breton Woods.) It has to be remembered that he was running a government without a majority with an opposition lead by a zealot that wanted nothing other than to wreck his government. Most of his failures have been media spin, retroactive or otherwise. (Isn't it odd that when they asked for two loans from the IMF in 1975, nobody batted an eyelid, but when they got one in 1976, on the basis of treasury figures that severely overstated the borrowing requirement - it was a national humiliation?)

And why is Tsipras there? Greece was a bombsite before he got in and it'll be a bombsite when he's dead if the ECB still exists. On the whole there seems to be a total failure to separate leaders from circumstances, if not outright disingenuousness. (Obama's primary crime has been overriding mediocrity.)

I'd even go so far as to suggest some of "Stupid" tier should really be "Naive" tier. It'd fit Carter and Gorbachev, for example. Gorbachev wasn't stupid, he was just naive to think you could turn the clunking USSR into Sweden. (It should also really include Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, since both lead notionally left-wing parties to electoral victory on the basis of economic policies virtually identical to their predecessors.)

>>2550225
Nej

>>2550257
Wrong Trudeau. Sad!

>>2550165
>>Kills milions of people
nothing is free, it was for the greater good,
>>Starves half of the country to death
dumbest thing iv'e read in a long time. source?
>>Enforces communism in neighbour countries
since when did successfully spreading your countrys influence and install puppet states make you a bad leader?
>>Fucks up half of Europe
define "fuck up",?
Napoleon fucked up large parts of Europe too, that dosen't make him a bad ruler

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>>2550271
Yeah being honest I was wondering why he mentioned Trudeau, but I didn't look the Stupid tier over fully so I just assumed Justin.
That Trudeau's just a cuck who let his wife fuck the rolling stones and raised Castro's son as his own. Either let her and knowingly did or didn't know.
Stupid as a human but not a stupid leader.

>>2550257
>fine before he entered office

So did you live in a cave during the 00s or are you just retarded?

>including US presidents
They are elected by the republic, only serve 4-8 years (fuck you FDR), and don't have that much power anyway. Plus, their country is still standing. How the fuck can any of them be considered a disaster, or "ruined their country"?
(FDR notwithstanding)
(Fuck FDR)

Angela Merkel

>>2552637
FDR was nice

>>2546429

Justin True-Cuck

>>2552677
Nice?
Yeah, nice at being a big dumb butt head.

>>2552698
He improved my region (Appalachia) a lot, can't say any bad shit about him.

>>2548628
Charles the IV was pretty naive and dumb.He put his wife lover as the leader of the country and ran away to France when he got into a fight with his son causing the Abdications of Bayonne through sheer stupidity

>>2546429
You motherfucker saddam was based remove him off this picture the only reason his country went to ruins is because of western zionist aggression against the soverign iraq

>>2546429
That bolivian fucker who sold off half of his country

Oh look, another communism vs fascism console wars thread

>Stalin anything other than worst tier

>>2550281
>it's for the greater good
>>>>/leftypol/

>>2552765
>Implying i'm a commie
i'm more like a fashy desu,
but i stil appreciate alot of the things Stalin did.
alot of poor, undeveloped third world countries could probably get their shit together if they had a leader like him

>>2546429
>Destroying their country: Mao Tsedong
I'm interested in how he fucked his country even more than the last century had already done.

>>2546440
Thats because g-d stripped him of his free will

Has to be Bokassa or Pol Pot. Literal retards that gimped their country in every way. Not a single positive outcome.

>>2552968
>fashy appreciating Stalin

no surprise

>>2553809
>Killing academics
>Not good

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>>2550230
>There's a line where guilt becomes self-flagellation,
Ehi may may boy listen here: if you think guilt has something to do with the situation in germany you are stupid. There is no such thing as guilt.european people don't want to work for 2 euros an hour, so you let immigrants in to do the dirty work. Easy

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>>2546429
>puts Obama worse than fucking James Buchanan for memes sake

>>2546429
>James Buchanan
>Stupid
>Not higher

He literally instigated the bloodiest war in american history

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>>2546440
>Believing in desert fairy tails

>>2546429
>Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi, and Nasser

Kike detected

>>2547328
>Buttmad neo-liberal centrist cuck (No I'm not using any buzzwords here, I really do think you're all of these things) detected

>>2547410
Because she floods the country with hostile foreigners and arrests any Germans who try to speak out against it.
Plus she is a communist (Was in the communist party as a youth) and I don't like her machinations about Europe

>>2549977
>hating on flash gordon

You take that back!

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Dolan Jay Plumpfhthf

>>2546429
This ranking is the most blue pill thing I've ever seen.